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Teen Girl Suspended for Days After Publicizing School's Dirty Water Problem

'Inappropriate use of electronics' for taking a picture of a safety hazard

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Juco
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A senior at John Glenn High School in Westland, Michigan, was suspended for three days after she took a photo of the disgusting water in the girls' restroom and posted it on Twitter.

The student, Hazel Juco, had aimed to call attention to the dirty water. But it's against school rules to take pictures in bathrooms.

"I was called to the office and told by one of the assistant principals that an administrator found a photo of the girl's bathroom on social media and that I'd be issued a three-day out-of-school suspension for 'inappropriate use of electronics,'" Hazel told CNN.

I'm often quick to criticize schools for needlessly punishing students, though in this case I agree that Juco deserved a little bit of scolding. Privacy is important, and young people do need to learn that there are some places in the world where selfies just aren't appropriate. The school bathroom is one of those places.

But a three-day suspension is a fairly strict punishment for a well-intentioned lapse of judgment. Why not simply give her after-school detention, or something?

It seems to me that school officials weren't actually interested in enforcing sensible privacy rules—they wanted to punish a student for making them look bad, I suspect.

Thankfully, the district superintendent erased the suspension from Juco's record and directed the school to figure out why the water was such an ugly shade of yellow. As it turns out, a corroded pipe needs replacing.

Too bad the school's first impulse was to quash dissent, rather than fix a problem. But that's what happens what you get when your schools are run by the government and thus shielded from market incentives.

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  1. How about no punishment at all??? Jesus Christ.

    1. If it were a private school, they could have expelled her. So whether it was government school or not seems irrelevant. I supposed a private school may be sensitive to market forces if word got around that they being so harsh, vindictive or trivial. At least at a private school a student or a parent could have a contract written such that they could prevent such punishments, get their money back, or sue. With government schools there’s no such option.

  2. I’m often quick to criticize schools for needlessly punishing students, though in this case I agree that Juco deserved a little bit of scolding.

    I can see someone’s shoes. I demand she be placed in the stockade!

    1. I swear, I think there is something really broken with Robbie. He seems nice enough, but he keeps saying things that make me think it’s all pretense; this comment for example is almost sociopathically pitiless.

      1. Yeah. Privacy is important. But you can tell pretty easily if a picture taken in the bathroom violates anyone’s privacy or not. And then use some judgement.

      2. “…sociopathically pitiless.”

        It is what shitbags do to seem “reasonable.” It is some weird balance they seek with the zero tolerance a-holes that remove judgment, like Zeb said, and abandon principals…no one harmed.

        Like the douches in Congress who would say something like, I’m entirely opposed to ethanol subsidies and that is why I can only support $500 million instead of the proposed $1 billion…..because I’m so fucking reasonable.

  3. I’m often quick to criticize schools for needlessly punishing students, though in this case I agree that Juco deserved a little bit of scolding. Privacy is important, and young people do need to learn that there are some places in the world where selfies just aren’t appropriate. The school bathroom is one of those places.

    SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP

    1. Really. This is just stupid zero tolerance. Did she violate anyone’s privacy? Then suspend away. If its a picture of dirty water, then deal with the problem.

    2. Masterfully argued. All the pith and clarity of Oscar Wilde, but only half as gay.

        1. Really commodius?

          The only acceptable reference.

  4. She should sue under the whistleblower law.

    1. This is what Robby should have said.

  5. Rob,
    Seriously, edit this shit before it gets worse. Nothing needed to happen to the junior whistleblower. I’m your friend over here. Trust.

    1. The law is the law.

      Robby is Tulpa?

      1. I suspect Robbo likes to troll us. I can’t help myself. I take the bait every time.

        1. He was definitely trolling us. At least that’s what I’m going to tell myself.

          1. I am going with Reason hired Tulpa, which means Welch is trolling us hard.

            1. I refuse to believe that Tulpa looks so glamorous.

              1. Yeah, I always pictured Tulpa as a literal troll.

  6. But a three-day suspension is a fairly strict punishment for a well-intentioned lapse of judgment.

    Intentions have nothing to do with it. Did that government person intend to break the law when she set up a private email thingy? No, but that didn’t matter. She got punished anyway.

  7. But parents and students were outraged. They thought the school ought to be more concerned about the water than the phone rule.

    In response, dozens of students posted pictures taken of themselves in the school bathroom.

    Well, that’s heartening.

    1. Suspend them all. Rules are rules.

      Love, Robby.

      1. Actually, that’s precisely what they should do. And cops should ticket everyone who goes even 1 mph over the speed limit. These rules are in place as a result of the choices the public has made, so now let them fully suffer the consequences until they realize the absurdity of such rules and get angry enough to have the rules changed.

        1. Yeah, I have argued that they should enforce every single law on the books to the letter so people can fully appreciate the hell they have created, most of the time for others.

          1. One of the laws on the books (in theory) is the presumption of innocence and, in criminal cases, the reasonable-doubt rule.

            Would you *really* find someone guilty beyond a reasonable doubt if a cop’s scanner shows he’s going 1 MPH over the speed limit?

            1. I have no doubt that 1mph over the limit is over the limit. It’s fucking math. Does the law say “2mph or more over the limit”? Nope. Guilty. Next case.

              I might doubt the accuracy of the scanner, had you been a better lawyer and suggested that defense.

              1. wait, accuracy or precision? If the device has a measurement error of 1-2mph which adjective is the correct route of attack?

                1. It’s something I’d look up if I got a ticket for that sort of thing.

                  1. Anyway, it’s for the prosecution to show that the scanner is accurate enough to detect going one mile over.

                    The defendant can fire his lawyer then sit around twiddling his thumbs, and it would *still* be up to the prosecutor to meet his/burden.

      2. Next thing, they’ll be bringing their own lunches to school, and then anything could happen.

  8. Privacy is important, and young people do need to learn that there are some places in the world where selfies just aren’t appropriate. The school bathroom is one of those places.

    Except of course, she didn’t violate any person’s privacy, and didn’t take a selfie. She took a picture of dirty water in a sink. So what are we scolding her for again?

    Moreover, let’s say she had walked in on someone committing a rape and snapped a picture of the rapist just before he escaped through a window thereby providing a critical piece of evidence to aid his apprehension. Would she deserve a scolding then, Mr Soave?

    1. Cameras are a lot like guns, tarran. She brought a camera into a place where cameras are forbidden. It could have gotten loose and caused all manner of mischief. Consider the young lady perverted deviant fortunate that she’s not facing charges for sexual harassment or possession of child pornography.

      1. What if she stood in the middle of the park spinning around taking pictures ?

      2. What if she stood in the middle of the park spinning around taking pictures ?

    2. RULES ARE RULES, MISTER

      Teaching children to understand the meaning of “discretion” and to use their own best-judgement is not what a school should be doing!

      Schools need to impose Order for its own sake, regardless of whether or not the reasoning for the rules applies *at all*.

      That is why Robby, in his wisdom and maturity, recognizes that pictures of sinks should be treated just like candid snapshots of your friend taking a poo.

      Because otherwise people would try and digest the *underlying meaning* behind the rules, and help inculcate principles like ‘respect for other people’, which would apply in places/circumstances where there are no such “rules’…. …rather than teach them blind obedience to arbitrary regulations, which is what society *actually* needs to function. Ergo, we must scold the kids who take it upon themselves to presume to see beyond the superficial ‘regulation’ and exercise judgement. LOGIC

      1. Look, do we suspend her or not, and if so, does she need any private tutoring?

          1. …and after the spanking ?

  9. in this case I agree that Juco deserved a little bit of scolding. Privacy is important, and young people do need to learn that there are some places in the world where selfies just aren’t appropriate.

    Classic Soave.

    (holds lighter)

    1. This is not Nam, this is a girl’s bathroom, there are…

      Sorry, my mind wandered a bit there.

  10. though in this case I agree that Juco deserved a little bit of scolding.

    Add another brick to the Milo = Rico theory. Go on.

    1. Rico’s just the one to scold her.

  11. Not a single “would”??

    Would.

    1. You misspelled “wood.”

    2. That’s what I came in to post.

      I am so disappointed in everyone. Post a picture of an over-18 female, and story be damned – the only fucking thing that matters is, would you put your dick in her. That’s it. The end.

      And for the record, would.

      1. Because it didn’t even need to be said. Do you have so little faith in the rest of us?

        1. Do you have so little faith in the rest of us?

          …yes.

    3. Robby has a standing would…oh you mean the girl, um yeah!
      /high five

    4. She is like 12. She is adorable. Leave her alone you pervert.

      1. She is a HS senior. That would make her 17 at least, probably.

        1. Still too young for even those of you who pretend otherwise. In a couples years though, would.

          1. 16 is the age of consent in the majority of US states.

            Too young for me (at least by the divide by 2 plus 7 rule), but the law is the law (to paraphrase Robby).

            1. Including Michigan, where the incident occurred.

            2. but the law is the law (to paraphrase Robby)

              Is this a thing now? I like it.

          2. Still too young for even those of you who pretend otherwise. In a couples years though, would.

            Either way, this day and age, at 17 the odds of sticking it in crazy are exceedingly high and the only possible defense would be being 17 or younger yourself. And even that’s shown to fail on a regular basis.

            1. I always figure “would” applies in the fantasy scenario where there are no consequences and you never have to talk to the person again if you don’t want to. I doubt anyone here seriously means they would pursue this 17 year old.

              So: would.

      2. a 12 year old senior?

        1. You guys really are untrainable when it comes to sarcasm and hyperbole.

          1. Oh I see, you were trying to say Robbie looks like a 12 year old girl. Carry on.

      3. Lighten up francis!

      1. What do you mean? I’m sure she would love to know that the many handsome, charming H&R commenters are on her side AND would have sex with her. She should be honored.

        1. Shit, I’ll even give her a few bottles of clean water to take to school.

    5. “You’re all a bunch of degenerates!” – Kent

  12. It seems to me that school officials weren’t actually interested in enforcing sensible privacy rules?they wanted to punish a student for making them look bad, I suspect.

    Bingo!

  13. But it’s against school rules to take pictures in bathrooms.

    Ratemypoo hardest hit.

  14. It’s true, pictures inside bathrooms are sometimes inappropriate.

    1. AND THAT’S NOT OK.

      1. You’re smart enough, and good enough, and gosh-darn it…

    2. School administrators don’t understand “sometimes”. They only understand “always” and never”.

  15. “It seems to me that school officials weren’t actually interested in enforcing sensible privacy rules?they wanted to punish a student for making them look bad, I suspect.”

    Well, look at Sherlock fuckin’ Holmes over there!

    Whoever issued the suspension should be fired, along with whoever is in charge of maintenance for the school system.

    1. Why should the maintenance staff be fired? It was never stated that this was brought to their attention prior and they blew it off. The girl posted it to Twitter. I would hope the maintenance staff was doing something more productive with their time then reading a HS girls twitter feed.

      1. Perhaps you missed the picture at the top of the article…

      2. As maintenance staff, the property you’re maintaining should not have to be brought to your attention when it is in need of maintenance. Because it’s your fucking job.

  16. So, other than the school’s reaction to her ‘inappropriate’ use of electronics, would this dirty water have been fixed?
    That’s my beef w/ the social media generation. They all think they’re doing something by showing all their friends an injustice and hope shit goes viral. If they really wanted to fix the situation they’d just anonymously send the pic to the principal and superintendent… but no, they’re in it for the likes.

    1. If the school were anything like my schools, it had been reported a month ago. It wouldn’t have gotten fixed until all a bunch of parents had mentioned it to each other and found out that all of them had reported. Then (this was the pre-internet era), they would have gone to the principal and ask him to fix it or they’d talk to the media.

      Now, a student posts the picture to social media, a bunch of parents call the principal right away, the school board and superintendent find out in a couple hours, the media finds out in a few more hours, and the principal has a shitstorm to deal with right away.

      That’s the real problem here ? Juco ruined the principal’s day.

      1. shitstorm…heh

    2. Send the pic to the people responsible for the dirty water? Sounds questionable.

      Rent a projector and setup at the next schoolboard get-together. Email it to the local gazette. Rent a billboard….which posting on social medial is basically a free version of. The kid is just lighting the torch, to be passed on to someone with more initiative and experience.

      Fucking highschool kids, why haven’t they solved all the world’s problems already, SLACKERS!

    3. Raising awareness is the most sacred duty of all. Actually fixing things comes in around 475.

      1. Lazy fucking kids!

    4. If they really wanted to fix the situation they’d just anonymously send the pic to the principal and superintendent

      But then how will everyone know what a “big damn hero” they are? Where’s the “LOOK AT ME” factor?

      1. Get off this guys lawn!

  17. Moreover, let’s say she had walked in on someone committing a rape and snapped a picture of the rapist just before he escaped through a window thereby providing a critical piece of evidence to aid his apprehension. Would she deserve a scolding then, Mr Soave?

    If she had done that and the school didn’t discipline her, the next thing you know these so-called students – I call them thugs – will be staging rapes in the bathroom and taking “rape selfies”!

  18. http://www.independent.co.uk/l…..30276.html

    Inside the world of men who have sworn never to sleep with women again. Aren’t those men known as gay men? And hasn’t there been a whole lot written about them over the years?

    1. They’re also known as “Japanese under 30”.

    2. That’ll teach them womenz!

    3. Their first rule? Abandoning all romantic relationships with women.

      I may be reading the tea leaves the wrong way but this makes it sound like hookers are still a go.

      Sounds more like beta males discovering that the friend zone, even with occasional sex involved, can and does suck.

      1. Yes.

      2. Is your dick in a vagina RIGHT NOW, huh faggot?

    4. Extremely sour grapes.

    5. I don’t think gay men usually go to the lengths of swearing.

      I thought MGTOW was more men who have sworn never to sleep with a woman that they haven’t explicitly hired for sex. If you take the “sleep” part literally, it’s probably true, I guess.

      1. You don’t pay a hooker for sex.

        You pay a hooker to GO AWAY after sex.

    6. And thus the inauguration of the Junior Anti-Sex League…

  19. I’m often quick to criticize schools for needlessly punishing students, though in this case I agree that Juco deserved a little bit of scolding. Privacy is important, and young people do need to learn that there are some places in the world where selfies just aren’t appropriate. The school bathroom is one of those places.

    Standard Robby protocol. If Robby didn’t pander and needlessly cede moral high ground, he might not win many school administrators over to the cause of Squishy Libertarianism.

  20. Fifty years ago she’d have had her boyfriend flush a lit cherry bomb down the toilet and then the whole restroom would have been remodeled.

    1. Initiative.

  21. Robby, at your age, you should know the definition of a selfie. It should be pretty obvious based on context, that a “selfie” is a picture of one’s self. This is not a bathroom selfie. It’s a picture of disgusting school water. No distinguishing details of other students can be found in the picture.

    Will school administrators suspend students for taking pictures of bathroom stall graffiti, too?

  22. What’s really important here is that everyone agrees with Robby that it’s a punishment to be released from prison for three days.

  23. Privacy is important, and young people do need to learn that there are some places in the world where selfies just aren’t appropriate. The school bathroom is one of those places.

    Robby, just because your teachers loved you and let you use their private bathroom doesn’t mean the bathroom is private for most students.

  24. Sheesh. I didn’t say she should be flayed alive, I said someone should tell her not to take pictures in the restroom. It’s bad manners.

    1. Troll Status: Epic.

      You magnificent bastard.

      1. Shorter Robby: “Dance puppets, dance!”

        1. Robby is Tony ?!

          1. Robby is Tulpa.

    2. If that’s where the dirty water is, that’s where the evidence must be collected, no? No point in taking a photo out in the hall, unless the building has bigger infrastructure problems.

      1. “We have a serious problem with the bathroom water, as depicted in the photo of the front steps where the water runs out of the building.”

    3. It’s bad manners.

      Please expand on this. What exactly are the bad manners here? She took a picture of dirty water in the restroom, not of herself taking a dump.

    4. This isn’t just another bathroom selfie in a restroom full of unwilling participants. It’s a photo being used to highlight a problem that should be brought to the public eye. It’s another example of zero tolerance gone wrong.

      And you didn’t just say that someone should talk to her about it. You suggested that she receive a detention, which is also inappropriate retribution for her actions.

    5. Only because you’re a stickler for keeping your hair care routine top secret.

    6. I said someone should tell her not to take pictures in the restroom. It’s bad manners.

      See what I mean? It’s what a person who doesn’t understand why manners and politeness exist but is aping being well mannered would say.

      1. Make sure you never perform CPR because it’s rude to just put your mouth on an unconscious person, if not downright sexual assault. Rules are rules after all.

      2. Chimpetiquette

    7. It’s bad manners.

      No, it’s bad manners to bust in on someone while they’re on the can and taking their picture. Taking a picture of dirty water in a sink to document a problem is not.

      Although I do agree with another commenter above who suggested she should have sent it to the school administration, anonymously if need be, instead of putting it up on twitter in a desperate attempt to get likes and say “LOOK AT HOW AWESOME I AM, EVERYBODY! I’M SUPER SERIAL! EVERYONE’S SUPER STOKED ON ME NOW!” But being an attention seeker isn’t something that needs to be punished, and the fact remains that no one’s privacy was violated. So fuck that shit.

  25. I’m often quick to criticize schools for needlessly punishing students, though in this case I agree that Juco deserved a little bit of scolding. Privacy is important, and young people do need to learn that there are some places in the world where selfies just aren’t appropriate. The school bathroom is one of those places.

    There’s no one visible in the picture (you can see someone’s feet, that’s it). Therefore no one’s privacy was violated. So fuck that shit.

    1. you can see someone’s feet, that’s it

      I see someone is not familiar with my teen feet fetish.

      1. You still can’t identify who’s feet. And actually, for all anyone knows, that might have been a teacher’s feet and not a teenager’s.

  26. Robby,

    I’m with the rest of the commentariat on this one. There’s no reason to punish her at all. She took a picture of dirty water. It’s not an invasion of anyone’s privacy.

    1. The faucet is shiny…I swear I can see a boob or something when I look closely.
      /sarc

  27. I need to get back to work, but I have my pitchfork and torch with me, so I’m ready to go if and when we decide to storm Soave’s home. Keep me in the loop. Thanks.

    1. I’ll be storming his keep, MiLord, if you know what I mean.

      1. and that’s not OK.

    2. Does he live in a castle? That’s so him.

      1. “let them eat fruit sushi”

      2. it’s called a palatza, you fucking philistines.

  28. school officials weren’t actually interested in enforcing sensible privacy rules?they wanted to punish a student for making them look bad

    Well, yes. Obviously.

    How do you get it and not get it simultaneously.

    Robbie is the master of Schrodinger’s Blog Post.

  29. Also…would scold.

  30. I’d say apply a whistleblower defense to whatever rule she supposedly broke.

    1. Or the school-discipline equivalent of the defense of necessity.

  31. “Privacy is important, … The school bathroom is one of those places.”

    Really? That seems inconsistent with what was written last May: “I’m not averse to the idea that extending equal rights to the trans kids is more important than protecting the feelings of the cis kids.” http://tinyurl.com/j9aza4t

    Or is bathroom privacy only important when it’s not cis-girls who don’t want to pee and shower in the presence of bio-males?

  32. But that’s what happens what you get when your schools are run by the government and thus shielded from market incentives.

    Look, I’m all for market driven schools. But really? REALLY? You make that argument in the real world and you’ll lose your audience instantly. You cannot build a case based on anecdote. No matter how many anecdotes you come up with. Because I’m assure you, the other side can come up with just as many “the Charter school really fucked up when they did XYZ” anecdotes.

  33. Another example where rules without exceptions are bad rules.

  34. Why did she not simply report the water being dirty in that bathroom?

    1. Because a picture is worth a thousand words.

  35. “in this case I agree that Juco deserved a little bit of scolding. Privacy is important”

    Lolwut? Sure, you shouldn’t take pictures of people in locker rooms. They might be in a state of deshabille that they wouldn’t want the world to see.

    But unless there’s a person visible in the picture this girl took I’m thinking no one’s privacy was violated.

  36. I should also add that I am almost old enough to start drying my balls with the dryer on the wall in my gym’s locker room. Not quite, but soon. When I get to that point feel free to take pictures- I’ll be flattered that anyone at all is still interested enough in my balls to photograph them.

  37. The Elites (Public Employees/Teachers) shall not be cast in a bad light by the peasants.

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