Joke of a Debate About Trigger Warnings, We Couldn't Save Harambe But We Can #SaveNelly: P.M. Links

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  The New York Times did a "Room for Debate" on trigger warnings. Arguments in favor: "It Just Seems Like the Right Thing to Do," and "Trust Me." Arguments against: actual science.

• Michigan cops used asset forfeiture to confiscate a car, put 54,000 miles on it, and then sold it. The owners were never charged with a crime.
• High school football player will not be punished for kneeling during the National Anthem. Nor should he be.
• Author Lionel Shriver gave a speech on why artist should appropriate other cultures.
• Nelly fans need to listen to his music a whole lot if they want to help him pay back taxes to the IRS. But we should try. As one Twitter user put it, "I couldn't save Harambe but goddamnit I'm saving you."

Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

Arguments against: actual science.

No one uses that anymore.

[jesse.in.mb]

Hello?

[jesse.in.mb]

This gets me Canadian citizenship, right?

[Fist of Etiquette]

No hop-ons.

[Ted S.]

Why would you want to be Canadian?

[Tonio]

Scruffy Quebecois bike messengers.

[waffles]

Asqueing for a friend?

[Los Doyers]

That category should already be on Grindr. Uh, not that I checked, or anything.

[jesse.in.mb]

Scruffy Quebecois bike messengers would probably be prime Scruff territory.

[Tonio]

[golf clap]

[TheZeitgeist]

I'm sure Canuckistan will pay for a very pretty wall. Much better than the Mexican one, if comparing Tijuana to Vancouver is any indication.

[jesse.in.mb]

November is coming, Ted, and there are no winners.

[grrizzly]

I already have two trips booked between the Election and Inauguration Days: Japan and Australia. That's how you prepare, if you're serious.

[Rufus The Monocled]

BECUZZZZ, no DEA or SWAT no-knock raids in the middle of the night?

[Free Society]

Where's the fun in that?

[Juvenile Bluster]

No. You didn't apologize for anything.

[jesse.in.mb]

You didn't apologize for anything.

I'm soorry aboot that. I'll try harder next time.

[Mad Scientist]

I think all you get is a happy Rufus.

[Playa Manhattan.]

He's not happy. Blissfully ignorant.

[C. Anacreon]

He's not happy, he's my Rufus.

/Hollies

[Lord at War]

Long Cool Canuck in a Black Dress?

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

A 'Happy Rufus'.

Something very similar to a Cleveland Steamer involving syrup.

[Los Doyers]

Is that one of those trains that carries jobs out of Cleveland?

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

That is a trick question; there are no jobs in Cleveland.

[Los Doyers]

THEN WHO WATCHES THE WATCHMEN?

[C. Anacreon]

It's like getting a Stanley Steamer from your black neighbor.

[Trshmnstr smells of Lo Mein]

Who would want that?

[Slammer]

Jesse is Adele?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

I see Trudeau has stolen your heart as well.

[John Titor]

You still need to fight the grizzly bear and survive the night naked in Thunder Bay, so no.

[jesse.in.mb]

Actual grizzly bear or a hirsute gay man with brown hair?

Whatever, I'll find another way into the commonwealth. Has Australia legalized gay marriage yet?

[Clich? Bandit]

SEE I TOLD YOU ALL BEARS ARE FURRIES!!!!!

[jesse.in.mb]

That's silly.

Are kindergarten reading groups furries because they get sorted into categories based on their skills? All the little sparrow and eagle and dodo furries there must be.

[John Titor]

See, I knew you'd mock our sacred Canadian rituals. Only by fighting the Great Bear and losing at least two toes to frostbite can you prove to be worthy of the blessing of Canadian winter.

Australia just makes you eat mystery spiders.

[jesse.in.mb]

the blessing of Canadian winter

I assume this means "an excuse to vacation in the Caribbean"

Australia just makes you eat mystery spiders.

I believe you also have to box a kangaroo.

[John Titor]

I assume this means "an excuse to vacation in the Caribbean"

Only cowardly degenerates and Torontonians (but I repeat myself) would dare to flee from the heavenly embrace of the winter. Once your beard's a frozen solid mess and you can't feel your face skin anymore, then you are truly an ubermensch. The cold makes you STRONK.

[gaoxiaen]

No. You have to tie it down.

[Rufus The Monocled]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT PUT SOME LOVE INTO IT!

[Riven]

Oh, I'll put some love into it.

Come a little closer.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Grrrrowl.

[John Titor]

I NEED AN ADULT.

[Riven]

Fun Riven fact: I had a mad crush on Vegeta when I was younger*

*Like... junior high into high school

[John Titor]

Sure you did, CIA agent impersonating nerdy libertarian bait, sure you did.

[Krabappel]

*puts on wig*

[Rufus The Monocled]

Hello.

[bacon-magic]

There it is.

[Slammer]

'sup, Rufus. Jesse fucked your shit up.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Fucken Jesse. And he knew damn well what he was doing.

Wait until I see him...some day....maybe...

[Mad Scientist]

Phrasing!

[Trshmnstr smells of Lo Mein]

Hello!

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

No one uses that anymore.

C'mon Fist, both sides 'use' the fuck out of it.

Like we 'used' Winston's Mom.

[Los Doyers]

Winston's mom was certified pre-"owned", if you catch my drift...

[Chipper Morning Wood]

But she does need a new muffler.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Waste of money at that age.

A pillow over the face will do the job.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Her tailpipe is all worn out.

[gaoxiaen]

Her carburetor can still suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

[Certified Public Asshat]

A NYT comment on the science side:

Therefore, students who experienced violent and/or other significantly traumatic experiences as young children (through no fault of their own) should NOT attend college until they have been healed. Yet the suggested treatments would be provided by the college they are not emotionally qualified (my phrase) to attend. Hmm... double-bind?

This "suggestion" is especially duplicitous coming from a psych prof. Healing PTSD is typically not like setting a broken bone and putting it in a cast and waiting. The work can take years. The take home message seems to distill down to this: If you are emotionally wounded and still healing, you are not welcome here, and we don't care about you to the extent that it makes us even a bit uncomfortable to accommodate your issues.

Let's tear up the wheelchair ramps everywhere, too, while we're at it. They're inconvenient.

[mad.casual]

No one uses that anymore.

I wish. This article isn't a deterrent, it's a feature. Trigger-related PTSD will be covered under the ACA.

A psychology professor, director of clinical training in the department of psychology at Harvard University, said so; Epidemiological studies show that many people are exposed to trauma in their lives, and most have had transient stress symptoms. But only a minority fails to recover, thereby developing P.T.S.D..

People who don't recover from trauma like everyone else are a minority and deserve special free shit. It's right there in the CRA.

[colorblindkid]

I'd hardly call psychology a science, but yes that one fellow made a hell of a better argument than the two others, who did indeed just say "well I feel like they're a good thing".

[Playa Manhattan.]

Robby, I thought you were going to be too mad to do the PM links.

[Ted S.]

Angry, not mad.

[GILMORE?]

Hurt, not angry

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Disappointed, not hurt.

[Trshmnstr smells of Lo Mein]

Underwhelmed, not disappointed.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Distraught not underwhelmed.

[C. Anacreon]

My wife thought he was cute this week on Stossel.

She thought he looks a little like the singer in Flock of Seagulls.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

More like Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

[Derp-o-Matic 5000]

Lesbian seagulls?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Also, as a birder, there is no such thing as a seagull. So that band name is dumb.

[Los Doyers]

Get a load of mister western gull over here.

[Clich? Bandit]

Morose not dustraught

[PurityDiluting]

Perturbed, not distraught

[gaoxiaen]

Suicidal, not distraught.

[Free Society]

Okay, not okay.

[Florida Hipster]

Disappointed, so so disappointed.

[Red Rocks Okey-Dokein]

As long as we keep the fruit sushi flowing, there's no hard feelings.

[rts]

Action Fraud warns of fraudulent anti-fraud warnings posing as Action Fraud

You heard me.

[rts]

Gunfire Sound at Mil. Academy May Have Been Bubble Wrap

Emergency crews responded to a report of a shooting at Valley Forge Military Academy in Pennsylvania Monday evening, but investigators discovered no gunman, but instead say bubble wrap may be to blame.

"The situation appears to be one where a female student in the dorms of Eastern University heard what she thought were shots fired. She diligently called 9-1-1," Jamie Bilella, Vice President Enrollment Management and Marketing Valley Forge Military Academy & College told NBC10.

[The Fusionist]

Good thing they didn't have bubble wrap back in General Washington's day.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

I can just picture Washington sitting in his tent at Valley Forge, stewing and popping bubble wrap.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Always appropriate!

[Ted S.]

They obviously didn't teach her well.

[Isaac Bartram]

The person who reported it was apparently not a student there.

FTFA

The situation appears to be one where a female student in the dorms of Eastern University heard what she thought were shots fired

[Brett L]

I'm sorry, does VFMA not have a range they use regularly?

[The Fusionist]

"I couldn't save Harambe but goddamnit I'm saving you."

So he's comparing a black guy to a gorilla?

[Lee Genes]

Dicks out for Nelly

[Sir Digby Chicken Caesar]

They both had that pimp juice.

[Fist of Etiquette]

As one Twitter user put it, "I couldn't save Harambe but goddamnit I'm saving you."

The Sophie's Choice of this generation: Harambe or Nelly.

[Shirley Knott]

Now if it were Harambe or Kanye...

[Ted S.]

Why not neither?

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Or both, depending on how you look at it.

[KDN]

My sister has met a smattering of b- and c-list celebrities in the course of her work as a PR flunky. She has often relayed that Nelly was, by far, the nicest, most easygoing, and most willing to do what the PR folks wanted of any that she has worked with (my suspicion: he was super high). So my secondhand impression is that he's a good dude and I hope it all works out for him.

Also, Tip Drill was a great moment in American history.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Another really nice guy:
Johnny Knoxville. He'll say yes to any charity event.

[C. Anacreon]

He'll also say yes to diving face-first into a puddle of sewage.

Sort of the definition of a really nice guy.

[Playa Manhattan.]

That's what friends are for.

[thrakkorzog]

Is it too late to pick Wesley Snipes instead?

[John Titor]

Some motherfuckers are always trying to dodge the IRS.

[End Child Unemployment]

+1 mobility uphill in winter weather

[Trshmnstr smells of Lo Mein]

Derpbook, Twatter join coalition to "improve" online "news"

[Trshmnstr smells of Lo Mein]

"Filtering out false information can be hard. Even if news organizations only share fact-checked and verified stories, everyone is a publisher and a potential source," she said in a blog post.

"We are not going to solve these problems overnight, but we're certainly not going to solve them as individual organizations."

Sargent said the coalition will develop training programs and "a collaborative verification platform," as well as a voluntary code of practice for online news.

"We live in a time when trust and truth are issues that all newsrooms, and increasingly the social platforms themselves, are facing," she said.

[Ted S.]

So, no more stories about "global warming".

[Homple]

Soon, truth will be whatever Minitrue says it is on any given day. Minitrue, of course, will be a consortium of Google, Twitter, Facebook and the yet-to-be-renamed Department of Justice.

[Mike Laursen]

MinEqual

[PurityDiluting]

The automation of the supervision of Newspeak. And we were here to witness it

[B.P.]

Yeah, trust is going to skyrocket when this consortium of mendacious assholes continues, in concert, to piss on the public and tell them that it's raining.

[Citizen X]

Author Lionel Shriver gave a speech on why artist should appropriate other cultures.

Because that's how culture fucking happens.

[Lee Genes]

I have never appreciated Hillary Clinton more than I do today.

She can't speak right. Her hand gestures are suspicious. She doesn't smile enough or she smiles the wrong way. She can't take bathroom breaks right. She can't dress right. She isn't authentic enough. When she authentically jokes around, she has a debilitating disease. She isn't accessible enough to the media. When she is accessible, she must be desperate. She made a mistake, she should own up to it. She owns up to mistakes and she is a failure.

Her guilt is decided in advance and all eyes watch until the tiniest misstep ? real or perceived ? validates them.

Unlike any male candidate, ever, she is forced to bare her soul again and again and again. Her life is an open book but that still isn't enough. She is holding back from us. She must be. If the media can't find something, it will just cherry pick information and make it up. Issues don't matter. Policies don't matter. Substance doesn't matter. It is all about the "optics" of a moment in time.

It is relentless.

It is exhausting.

It is abusive.

I have never appreciated Hillary Clinton more than I do today. Her strength in the face of what has been thrown at her during this campaign is the stuff legends are made of. She is an inspiration. I am thrilled to have her representing me in this race. #IAmSoWithHer.

[Lee Genes]

arrrghhh....

[Citizen X]

Fuck, dude. I hate knowing that i share a continent with that person, and frankly i'm pretty mad at you for making me aware of the fact.

[Lee Genes]

It's only fair for you going all Nutrasweet lately and bringing shame (or possibly the threat of divine retribution) on our state.

*weeps for Virginia*

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Yeah, what was that all about. Fucking depths of depravity were scraped.

[Citizen X]

Governor McAuliffe sprawled on the floor of the brood chamber, his right cheek pressed into the filthy black stone. One bloodshot eye stared at a point beyond the wall, as if looking into some far distance where there might be help or hope or light, its pupil dilated to the size of a dime; the other eye rolled ceaselessly in its socket. Her claws were everywhere.

"Terrencssssssse," she whispered, and the rolling ceased.

"My... my lady," he rasped.

"You were too eager, Terrencsssse. You released too many prisonersss before We could implant them with Our will-spawn. It was noticssssed."

The small part of his brain that still knew itself registered the titanic twistings of her appendages inside him. A scream rose in him, briefly, but died before it could escape.

[bacon-magic]

You need a break from Sugarfree. Go to Disneyland, or maybe a maximum security prison.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Oh, I see. It's not enough that Rufus cried, now you wanna make SugarFree cry? Is this some sinister plot between you and Jesse to fill up a 55 gallon drum with tears?

[Mad Scientist]

That's not usually what jesse likes his 55 gallon drums filled with.

[jesse.in.mb]

We really only need about 30 gallons. The rest is cellulose and fancy herbal extracts.

[Citizen X]

I couldn't get jesse interested. "Tears make terrible lube," he said, "though they'll do in a pinch."

[Krabappel]

This grotesque political horror porn brings me great joy. We need a term for it. SugarFic?

[PurityDiluting]

Samantha Bee is back on the air, shilling hard to make up for lost time

[Enough About Palin]

The only thing worse than the writing is the presentation. I don't see how any of the commercials they run would compel someone to tune-in. They're awful.

[PurityDiluting]

I was expected a hatchet job when they did a 2-part story on Gary & LP back after the convention, but she didn't go for the jugular than. I suspect they were thinking that Gary would mostly pull in Trump voters. Now they're in full panic mode

[Bill Door]

Samantha Bee inspires me to stop watching TBS. The commercials are ridiculously grating.

[Mad Scientist]

JUST LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!!!!

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Her life is an open book sore but that still isn't enough.

[John Titor]

Unlike any male candidate, ever, she is forced to bare her soul again and again and again.

'Our' candidate just spent the last week getting bitched at because he didn't know the name of a Syrian city you stupid bastards.

[gaoxiaen]

Even though she's not strong enough to walk up steps.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

I like appropriating other cultures' women.

[Red Rocks Okey-Dokein]

Precisely. I don't see our cultural hysterics up in arms over Eminem and Beastie Boys making millions off of their "appropriation" of rap/hip-hop music the way Macklemore has, even though by their definition that's precisely what they're all fucking doing. Meanwhile Iggy Azalea gets hammered by these same idiots for LARPing as Missy Eilliot.

I guess by their retarded logic, Living Colour and King's X should go down in music history as Uncle Toms for appropriating white-boy heavy metal.

[JayU]

Non-Americans need to stop appropriating electricity.

[Ted S.]

What about Serbs?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Oooh, sick burn.

[John Titor]

Unless it's being used to kill Turks, it's not real Serbian electricity.

[Slammer]

Katie Couric Sued for $12 Million For Defamation In Anti-Gun Documentary

Among other things, the complaint alleges that, "The Defendants manipulated the footage in service of an agenda: they wanted to establish that there is no basis for opposing universal background checks by fooling viewers into believing that even a panel of pro-Second Amendment advocates could not provide one. The Defendants intentionally disregarded the truth of the actual exchange that had taken place and took at least six intentional steps to manufacture a fictional exchange to support their agenda."

In addition to editing footage of VCDL members, the suit alleges that Soechtig's film crew used lighting tricks to make VCDL members look shadowed and sinister, while favoring gun control supporters with much more flattering lighting.

I didn't know about the lighting.

[Brett L]

I don't think lawfare is a good development, but if we're gonna have it, lets have it on all sides.

[The Fusionist]

If she smeared identifiable people, it could be seen as defamatory.

[Brett L]

I mean, it pretty much ends MIchael Moore and Morgan Spurlock's careers if they win. I'm not sure about this one. This seems like "the answer to speech is more speech". These people knew they were being recorded. They must have signed some sort of consent form. I don't think its actionable. They should just learn to never let themselves be recorded by professionals without getting their own tape of the whole recording.

[Playa Manhattan.]

They did make their own recording. That's how these allegations came to light.

[Tonio]

No, Brett, just no. She asked them a question which they immediately answered but she then subbed in footage of them sitting silently which she had told them to do at the beginning of the interview so they could "calibrate their audio equipment." This is clearly dishonest. RTFA, man. Srsly.

This is a blatant example of the legacy media being very dishonest.

[bacon-magic]

Tonio is correct.

[Emmerson Biggins]

I agree it's dishonest. I just don't know if dishonesty is a good basis to take 12 million dollars from someone. And I'm glad they made their own recording to set the record straight.

I at least want to hear about some breached contract (even an implicit contract if we are really reaching). Being able to sue somebody because they made a movie you didn't like seems a pretty short jump back to Citizens United, IMO, even if you are in the movie and didn't think it would be shitty.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

"Dishonesty" is illegal?

[Michael S. Langston]

When used to coerce, yes. It's called fraud.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Who's being coerced?

[The Fusionist]

I'd have to know what they signed, and I'd have to know if they were identifiable to the viewers.

At least, I'd have to know if I were on the jury.

[Tonio]

It was very manipulative. Read the article. Also, they are asking for punitive damages on top of the $12MM compensatory damages.

[robc]

Class action suit from every guest ever on The Daily Show?

[Injun, as in from India]

It will be interesting to see what happens. It was very manipulative, but there are speech-chilling threats to consider.

Speech that countered Katie Couric and Stephanie Schoechtig's lies proved their malevolence. That alone brought their reputations down.

The wronged people deserve some form of redress, but I hope this doesn't chill speech unintentionally.

[Lee Genes]

I don't see how this will fly without enabling lawsuits over every negative political ad. Those things wouldn't exist without removing context.

[Tonio]

This was supposed to be a documentary for which there are different standards than advertising.

[TheZeitgeist]

How can one assess damages for a video nobody watched?

Remember, this is Katie Couric we're talking about. When hubby shuffled mortal coil he took Katie's audience and relevance with him. Cancer so cruel.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

It's a movie. It's all about manufacturing exchanges to support a narrative.

I guess it comes down to what we can reasonably expect from a "documentary," but I'm not seeing from that article how it rises to defamation. Are the interviewees identified and smeared in the piece? It sounds like they are portrayed as stupid, that's about it. Were any promises made by the production team to the interviewees beforehand, and subsequently broken?

"They made a bad movie!" is not a basis for a lawsuit.

[Injun, as in from India]

I don't think lawfare is a good development, but if we're gonna have it, lets have it on all sides.

All sides would mean Project Veritas' James O'Keefe would be sued as well. Not sure how much he manipulates though.

David Daleiden got harassed by the California DA, so it's not like lawfare is not happening already.

[Ted S.]

Do you mean AG, or some county DA?

[TheZeitgeist]

It wore a suit and filed one too, that's all we know.

[Tonio]

Good for them, and good luck.

[Injun, as in from India]

This is AWESOME.

Never walk into a truth-gunfight with knife-lies.

[Guestus III]

Not saying this in support of Couric qua Couric at all, but, in reading through the actual compliant, the plaintiffs are going to have a hell of a time winning that one. A ruling that deceptive editing is the same as publishing a false statement of fact is going to be a tough sell. I wonder why they didn't claim false light? That seems to be the more applicable cause of action.

[Guestus III]

To elaborate, count 1 (the editing) will probably get bounced on a motion to dismiss and, if not, will be resolved on summary judgment. It is plausible that deceptive editing could constitute publishing of a false statement of fact, but I doubt any judge wants to establish that precedent given the implications for political speech and advertising mentioned upthread, actual malice or not.

Count 2 (the lighting claims) have zero chance, will be bounced on a MTD and would come with sanctions in an Anti-SLAPP state. At best, lighting tricks constitute an opinion, which is never actionable. The lawyers should never have made that claim - it makes them look amateurish.

[Emmerson Biggins]

Ya, and I don't trust courts or juries to draw good lines between "deceptive editing" and "presenting a viewpoint through editing". I think we have to protect the rights of the asshole in this case. We should be used to that by now.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Yeah, that's my (ignorant) opinion. They can light and edit and present their subjects however they choose. Maybe the editing counts as defamation, but if so, there must surely be precedent in over 200 years of journalism.

[Guestus III]

Notwithstanding the Gawker/Hulk Hogan case (and maybe the Rolling Stone thing, though that will surely settle before trial), the unspoken default presumption in US law is that defamation and libel are extremely disfavored causes of action. I get a chuckle anytime someone suggests someone else should file a defamation claim. Very, very few plaintiffs win them, and they are much more likely to lead you into an order to pay the other party's attorney fees in anti-SLAPP states.

Which is probably how is should be. I love privacy but I love me some freedom of speech more, and that often means defending assholes. What Couric et al. did was despicable, but not every wrong needs a (government-sanctioned) remedy. At least she got her comeuppance and public rebuke. As usual, more speech seems to have punished bad speech.

[ant1sthenes]

And now her humiliation is receiving even more publicity, in case people missed it the first time. So, it's not all a bad thing.

[Playa Manhattan.]

A $2.4 million tax lien????

That's what he gets for not hiring a Jewish accountant.

[Homple]

Leopold Bloom, call your office.

[The Fusionist]

lien on me

[Raven Nation]

Family Guy agrees.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

He thought his accountant was Jewish.

[Injun, as in from India]

Author Lionel Shriver gave a speech on why artist should appropriate other cultures.

Just give it some time.

Progs will say that "cultural appropriation" is like property theft (but not eminent domain) and should be outlawed.

Meanwhile, I will enjoy my multi-culturally-appropriated Mexican Burrito with Danish cheese and Thai Sriracha sauce.

[prolefeed]

It is especially ironic when one is being lectured on cultural appropriation while eating, say, Pacific Rim fusion cuisine, by someone whose ancestors lived nowhere the Pacific Rim.

Or eating pizza by a non-Italian.

Or while riding in their Mercedes when they're conspicuously non-German.

And so on.

[JayU]

If you're not Greek you can't vote.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

If you're not Greek you can't vote.

Or do that other thing

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Throw people into wells?

[John Titor]

Or speaking a language that is a mongrel mix of early German, Latin, and French that uses words from a couple dozen other languages.

[rts]

Misleading RCMP tweet frustrates cycling advocate

The tweet read "Did you know you must always walk your bike in a crosswalk?" It also warned cyclists of a $109 fine for failing to do so.

The tweet had two major flaws, said Edward Pullman, president of the Greater Victoria Cycling Coalition.

"One is under the Motor Vehicle Act, municipalities are allowed to designate crosswalks for cyclists to bike through," he said.

"Two is the irony that it showed an image of a particular crosswalk in Maple Ridge, featuring elephants' feet."

Elephants' feet are squares painted outside of the crosswalk that are designed to indicate to cyclists that they may ride through.

"Obviously this tweet certainly demonstrates that we have a long way to go in terms of ... education ... when law enforcement, [which is] expected to know and enforce the laws, don't know [their] own laws."

[Ted S.]

Why would they expect law enforcement to know the law?

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

RCMP response ... sorry I mean responce.

[Mickey Rat]

LEO ignorance of the law is no excuse for not obeying.

[Juvenile Bluster]

High school football player will not be punished for kneeling during the National Anthem. Nor should he be.

Would seem that it would be a violation of West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette if they tried to punish him.

[Nothing2CHere]

There is no evidence of drug use in these two deaths, but that doesn't stop police and parents from shitting themselves...

There was nothing to suggest that either boy had overdosed, but "chatter" on social media from students throughout the community had police on high alert about a synthetic opioid called Pink or Pinky.

[Juvenile Bluster]

It was jenkem.

[Ted S.]

At a rainbow party.

[thrakkorzog]

Were they butt chugging it at a rainbow party?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Butt chugging - my favorite way to get alcohol up my rectum.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Hydraulic Fracturing - CMW's least favorite way to get alcohol up his rectum

[Chipper Morning Wood]

The hot vapors burn too much.

[GILMORE?]

"Where there's Smoke, There's...."

I blame the vapers

[bacon-magic]

Leave us vapers out of it.

[GILMORE?]

Child Abuse

[GILMORE?]

Detroit. Cop. Titty

*Very Dated Reference

[Injun, as in from India]

Rule #1 of Hit-and-Run: Don't mention "titty", or the target site will get taken down by excessive page requests.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

By all 22 of us?

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Well some of us open it multiple times to see if pictures have been loaded yet.

[Juice]

What's the problem. They were from the FBI. Federal Booby Inspectors.

[Injun, as in from India]

Michigan cops used asset forfeiture to confiscate a car, put 54,000 miles on it, and then sold it. The owners were never charged with a crime.

At the 2016 IRS rate of 54 cents/mile, that's 54000 * .54 = $29,160.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Michigan cops used asset forfeiture to confiscate a car, put 54,000 miles on it, and then sold it.

You know, they could have confiscated it, sold it and then put the 54,000 miles on it. (Double the forfeiture paperwork, though.)

[Slammer]

RIP Crazy Eddie.

I'm insanely sad.

[Juvenile Bluster]

I guess his prices really were insane.

[robc]

I thought the Moties were extinct or something.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

The Fusionist passed away?

[The Fusionist]

We all have to go sometime.

[The Fusionist]

Send not to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Wow, Crazy Eddie. That brings back memories of my misspent youth.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Whacking off to Crazy Eddie commercials?

[Los Doyers]

Happy 25th birthday to me, fucksticks. Love, from Paran?, Brazil.

[Brett L]

The fact that you're sober enough to post that makes me weep for the younger generation.

[Los Doyers]

The "younger" generation has become quite adept at drunk posting. Besides, I thought everyone here was already drowning in one kind of bottle or another. Mine today is cachaca.

[jesse.in.mb]

Jeez, dude, he's posting while doing cocaine off the back of an under-aged tranny hooker he's currently balls deep in. Cut him some slack.

[Playa Manhattan.]

There's definitely a tranny involved.

[Rhywun]

That's awfully specific :-/

[jesse.in.mb]

He's in Brazil. What else would he be doing?

[Rhywun]

Fair enough.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Have some tranny balls deep in him?

[Los Doyers]

Quick Jesse, I need the AoC laws here in Brazil before I pay for another hour.

[jesse.in.mb]

You really don't want to know.

[Los Doyers]

14 seems fair enough...

[Jimbo]

That's some impressive projecting!

[Clich? Bandit]

second

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

THEY COULDN'T BUILD THIS COUNTRY IF A MEXICAN CAME AT THEM WITH AN IMAM'S...

I've lost my train of thought.

[Tonio]

Happy B-day, LD. Damn, you're young.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Today I learned that millennials wish themselves a happy birthday. Such a selfish generation.

[Los Doyers]

If you leave your fridge unlocked, I more or less have to drink all the beer.

[Mad Scientist]

25! Now you can rent a car like a big boy!

[bacon-magic]

Happy birthday, may you not bring back anything you didn't want to.

[bacon-magic]

*Sorry for the double negative. *hangs head in shame

[grrizzly]

Happy Birthday! I see you liked it in Brazil.

[Los Doyers]

Once you hit Zika ass, you just can't quit. Feel me?

[GILMORE?]

"And lo, did the middle aged guys from Greenwich who work in Finance rejoice, for they saw that what once was, would be so once again"

this is actually kind of a big deal, really. Losing it was as painful as 9/11 for some people

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

The bar car announcement comes as Connecticut officials are proposing a 5 percent increase in train fares on the New Haven Line that would go into effect on Dec. 1. State officials are planning to pay for the new M-8 rail cars with $200 million in state borrowing.

What am I missing here, the bar cars don't pay for themselves?

[GILMORE?]

The bar cars are incidental; they're adding new cars anyway. its just that they're going to let one sell booze again. I'm utterly unconcerned with the state's finances. I'm concerned about thousands of stock brokers getting their G&T dammit, because FREEDOM

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

L--l-libertarian moment?

[Rhywun]

I spent Buffalo to Chicago in a bar car once. I even remember some of it.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I didn't take a knee when I proposed marriage, you think I'm taking a knee during the national drinking song?

[GILMORE?]

US Flies Bombers Over South Korea in "Show of Force"

North Korea is keenly aware of the U.S. presence on the peninsula and of what it considers the U.S. nuclear threat. It uses such flyovers and the American military influence in the South in its propaganda as alleged proof of U.S. hostility that it says is the reason it needs a nuclear bomb program.

Well then, clearly the thing to do is 'more of that' then.

[Injun, as in from India]

I'd love to see a sequel to Team America: World Police with Kim Jong-Un instead of Kim Jong-Il as the villain.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

You're going to live that sequel for the next 8 years.

[thrakkorzog]

Would he be even more ronery?

[Rhywun]

High school football player will not be punished for kneeling during the National Anthem.

Only in the court of public opinion.

Also - godammit, why does this have to be a thing?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Slow down, it's forced the national bathroom outrage off the stage. How can this be a bad thing?

[Rhywun]

Look at Mr. Sunshine over here.

[The Fusionist]

The spokesman of the North Carolina Republican Party issues a statement in response to the NCAA boycott:

"I genuinely look forward to the NCAA merging all men's and women's teams together as singular, unified, unisex teams. Under the NCAA's logic, colleges should make cheerleaders and football players share bathrooms, showers and hotel rooms."

Don't give them ideas.

[Trshmnstr smells of Lo Mein]

Wow, good on the NC GOP!

[robc]

merging all men's and women's teams together as singular, unified, unisex teams.

Title IX....solved.

[gaoxiaen]

NEEDS MOAR SEXY BENCHWARMERS!

[PapayaSF]

Nothing on the Clinton campaign meltdown? That's a more interesting story than most of the links.

The latest is that people have noticed that just before she left the 9/11 memorial on Sunday, Hillary's personal doctor was giving her what looked like a quick neurological exam that involves squeezing fingers. And then there are her blue anti-seizure sunglasses.

The Democrats have really screwed themselves. Now they have to release more information, and everybody will be watching her for any signs of health trouble. She's going to stand for long enough to debate Trump?

This ain't just "pneumonia," folks.

[Wizard with a Woodchipper]

It's not the fainting, it's the coverup

[That's A Bingo!]

It's not the pneumonia that'll kill her, it's the abusive raging at her staff for letting this slip out.

[Lee Genes]

-1 Vince Foster

[Injun, as in from India]

This ain't just "pneumonia," folks.

What did Bill give her, and which hooker did he get it from?

[Slammer]

Bill's wondering what the ground rules are for fucking the body double.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Same as Hillary: DON"T

[Riven]

Like Bill ever really worried about the rules before.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Bill gave her nothing, because Bill doesn't touch Hilldog.

[Tonio]

OK, somebody linked to an article about this earlier today. It is not clear whether that woman is a doctor, nurse or merely a personal assistant. The hand-holding could be pulse-taking, or just comfort.

There are serious issues here, but uninformed statements are not helpful.

[That's A Bingo!]

Regardless of her official staff role, it looks like whoever that is knows what is happening.

[PurityDiluting]

Or maybe Hillary had just said "Pull my finger!"

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Nobody in the crowd fainted.

[Playa Manhattan.]

The source is InfoWars, if you're wondering.

[RBS]

I would expect nothing less.

[Domestic Dissident]

She's nothing but a PR flunky Sick Illary hired several years ago, most likely because she also went to Wellesley.

[Brochettaward]

I'm perfectly happy with the rampant and unverified speculation myself. The ideas are being planted and people don't really trust the legitimate media after they dismissed this for so long.

Anything that makes this wench look worse is ok in my book.

[PapayaSF]

That woman is Lisa Bardack, Hillary's personal doctor.

[PapayaSF]

The hand-holding could be pulse-taking, or just comfort.

Yeah, it's just a fall. And just some coughing. And just some blood clots. And just some forgetfulness. And just hypothyroidism. And just blue sunglasses when nobody else is wearing sunglasses. And just the oppressive 78 degree heat. But when you add it all up, for a woman about to turn 69, it's something.

[mad.casual]

The whole 'uninformed statements are not helpful' notion seems like a bit of water carrying to me. Like strolling into one of the fight scenes from Braveheart and saying, "OK, let's keep it above the waste fellas!"

It's not 'just' pneumonia. Even if it is 'just' pneumonia it's a 69-yr.-old suffering from pneumonia to the point where she has to be carried around and verbally re-assured/have her heart rate checked.

[mad.casual]

Waist, waste, whatever.

[PapayaSF]

The idea that speculating about things is somehow wrong or unhelpful is usually just bullshit. We aren't soldiers preparing for D-Day. Loose lips will not sink ships. Since politics involves so much secrecy, deception, and lies, it's not only natural, but good to speculate about what's really going on. "Let's just believe what the campaign says" is ridiculous.

I find it interesting how the term "conspiracy theory" has now been expanded in order to position anyone who questions Hillary's health as some sort of nut.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Indeed. If you're not with uninformed statements, you're with Her.

[mad.casual]

Except you can totally go with the pneumonia incapacitated and nearly killed a Presidential candidate and both be 'with her' and in the weeds of 'uninformed statements'.

The thing is you need to do it appropriately and respectfully. In a way that's both reverential of the candidate and appropriately defenestrates your own personal medical knowledge/expertise and any associated political leanings.

[PapayaSF]

When "informed statements" are not forthcoming, "uninformed" will have to do.

Just watch the damn video. She's propping herself up on a bollard, and being held up, and then has some odd spasms before she collapses. Everybody around her is totally nonchalant, as if they've seen this many times before.

Nobody goes spastic from the "heat" of a 78 degree day, pneumonia or not.

You can either believe the evidenced that's before your eyes, or you can wait for the Clinton campaign to work out the next round of lies and hedging.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

So your argument boils down to, "we must come to some conclusion, this is a conclusion, therefore we must conclude it."

Still not seeing how it is helpful.

[BigT]

People are brainstorming what might be the root cause of Hildog's problems based on limited evidence. So what?

Her issues are ongoing for years and getting worse. Apparently her handlers are familiar, and she can recover quickly. Best explanation I've heard is Parkinson's, but a battery of tests would be needed to confirm, afaik.

[PapayaSF]

You don't seem to grasp how curiosity and attempting to anticipate the future work. Many people, when presented with a series of odd facts and ever-shifting and unconvincing explanations, wonder: "What is really going on?" This is actually a survival trait, because it can help to anticipate change. It's not a matter of "must come to some conclusion." It's interesting and fun, so, at the very least, it's "helpful" to those who find it interesting and fun. It's also helpful to anyone running against Hillary to get a better sense of the true state of her health.

[RBS]

Forget it Tonio, it's Papaya town.

[PapayaSF]

I've been saying for a long time that her health was an issue. I am vindicated.

[MetalBard]

Of course it's not pneumonia. Everyone knows that Hillary made a deal with the devil, she just forgot to read the fine print.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

See, if she only subscribed to the Transfer of Title to Property Theory of contract, she would be fine, because souls are inalienable and deals with the devil for soul ownership null and void.

[mad.casual]

It all hinges on the belief that women are competent to sell their souls to the devil. You either want to continue to inflict Hillary on all of us or hate women. Your choice.

[gaoxiaen]

You know what they say. In order for one to succeed, another must fail.

[thrakkorzog]

When asked for comment, the current leader of Hell responded, "This isn't Wall street, this is Hell! We have a little something called integrity. If this gets out, who'll deal with us? Nobody! Then where are we?"

[Juice]

Nothing on the Clinton campaign meltdown? That's a more interesting story than most of the links.

Yeah, not really.

[PapayaSF]

Yeah, who cares if the leading candidate for president can't stand for 90 minutes, and might have a degenerative neurological disorder? Obviously some singer's taxes, a high school football player's posture during the national anthem, and some cops who took a guy's car are all much, much bigger stories. Much more impactful on my liberty.

[Wizard with a Woodchipper]

"Author Lionel Shriver gave a speech on why artist should appropriate other cultures."

Pretty much the history of art right here.

[PapayaSF]

Good for her.

[Los Doyers]

Nelly fans need to listen to his music a whole lot

If you wanna come and take an audit with me...

[GILMORE?]

Crazy man suggests that 'not-profitable' companies that buy companies which lose money *even faster*?... generally not a good idea.

Everyone agrees that crazy man is crazy and probably a greedy wall st fat cat who profits off 'derivatives' or something.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

The prominent short-seller Jim Chanos, founder of Kynikos Associates, on Tuesday called the proposed merger of Tesla Motors Inc (TSLA.O) and SolarCity Corp (SCTY.O) "crazy," noting that the combined company would need constant access to capital markets.

Does "capital markets" possibly translate to endless federal green energy funding?

[Playa Manhattan.]

Yes. Capital markets means my wallet.

[robc]

Are you crazy if you shorted Enron in 2001?

[GILMORE?]

The anecdote you will hear from now until the end of time anytime someone suggests "arming teachers"

[lap83]

No one was injured.

They will probably leave this part out.

[mad.casual]

Think you could possibly point out Unisex bathroom at a Christian school loud enough?

[Dr. Fronkensteen]

Cultural appropriation. That thing humans have been doing since there were more than two tribes on the Serengeti. Yeah I guess we could.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

KEEP THE 5 POINTS IRISH!

[Juvenile Bluster]

Michigan cops used asset forfeiture to confiscate a car, put 54,000 miles on it, and then sold it. The owners were never charged with a crime.

Later that day, Saginaw deputies obtained another search warrant ? again from a Saginaw judge ? to search the Ostipow's main residence in Shiawassee County, down the street from the farmhouse. The couple's law firm says no drugs were found at the property, yet officers seized cash from Gerald Ostipow's wallet, plus other items.

After the initial seizures, Saginaw deputies "would then routinely appear and present themselves, in plain clothes and in their personal vehicles while off duty, at the Residence and Farmhouse to continue to seize additional personal property," the federal complaint alleges.

The Michigan Court of Appeals later found that Royetta Ostipow's portion of property seized from the farmhouse ? which included the classic car ? should be repaid. A later trial court decision ruled "most of the personal property seized was improperly taken and was ordered non-forfeitable."

But it was later discovered that Sheriff Federspiel and the department sold off most of the Ostipow's seized property before there was a ruling on the forfeitability of the items held by the county.

I mean, if ever you needed more proof that asset forfeiture is government-sponsored robbery...

[Juvenile Bluster]

Federspiel competed in and won the Democratic Party primary in August, campaigning on forfeiting drug dealers' property and claiming it saved taxpayers money. (He will face no Republican opposition in the November general election.) For two years, Federspiel drove a black Mustang GT as his department vehicle after the car was forfeited, MLive reported. In 2013, Federspiel sold the Mustang, which read "Taken From A Local Drug Dealer" on the sides, on eBay for $14,800.

Fuck this guy.

[Homple]

Federspiel as a form of amusement involving a M?dchen and a peacock plume could be an amusing way to wile away an afternoon.

[Sir Digby Chicken Caesar]

Federspiel drove a black Mustang GT as his department vehicle after the car was forfeited,

That's a nice thing for that awful drug dealer to do: simply hand over his vehicle to the police. No coercion. At. All.

Also, why do I keep reading that asshole's name as 'Feldspar"?

[Bill Dalasio]

Fine. Then the assets of the Sheriff and Deputies should be forfeit to Ostipow. If they want out of it, they should be given the option. A public lashing at a hundred dollars a lash.

[Gene]

With a big chainsaw!

[Lee Genes]

Hang those fuckers in the town square. It's pitchfork time.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

No, the only problem with law enforcement in this country is that the cops kill too many black folks. Full stop. It's a race problem.

Now, let's get back to the business of fixing it by strengthening public sector unions.

[JayU]

If you're not Scottish you can't take antibiotics.

[Tonio]

Or watch TV, or drink Scotch, or wear a kilt...

[JayU]

"Wear a kilt."

So what we're saying here is only the Scots are allowed to be transgender?

[robc]

Or do logarithms.

[Mad Scientist]

What if I'm part Scottish, part Irish, part Welsh, and part German? Do I get to take anti-biotics, but only 25% of the necessary dose

[JayU]

It means you're 100% white so fuck you and the horse you stole to ride in on.

[Mad Scientist]

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful!

[Heroic Mulatto]

It means you're 100% white

He said "part Irish".

Learn 2 read.

[JayU]

Is this like when the Moors conquered Sicily?

[Heroic Mulatto]

Yes.

[lap83]

what color are Irish?

[Heroic Mulatto]

what color are Irish?

Potato.

[bacon-magic]

Correct answer was "turnip".

[lap83]

Potato and turnip have to be two of the worst names for colors I've ever heard. I'm guessing you wouldn't find them on a paint sample.

[jesse.in.mb]

What do you want from them? "Rustic cotton"? Then you might think they have sex with dudes or something.

[lap83]

Just some marketing spin, like "Turnip Breeze" or "Classic Potato". Sell me on it!

[jesse.in.mb]

Easier way would be to jump into fancy sounding varietal names.

Off-Boule d'Or, Pale Kennebec

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Potatoes can be all sorts of colors on the inside. The yellow ones taste the best.

[Riven]

You know, we're all the same color inside.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

But how would you really know that? Oh, wait...

[jesse.in.mb]

we're all the same color inside

Do you know this based on a random sampling or have you snuck into all of our rooms while we slept made a tiny incision and peeked?

[gaoxiaen]

Woad.

[John Titor]

You have to get the antibiotics out of this sheep. We'll let you be as creative as you like.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

"Hey Nelly, gimme those earrings so I can feed Africa" -- Aries Spears.

[GILMORE?]

THE REAL PROBLEM WITH THE NYT IS THAT IT IS TOO "OBJECTIVE"

...This false balance problem is really part of a larger problem that says journalists must not have opinions, and this in turn is a problem with the profession's inability to overcome the oppressive inertial force known as journalistic objectivity.....Why is it desirable for smart, informed people to suppress judgments that have been formed through reporting, study, and observation? Well-informed and thoughtful people are supposed to have actual opinions on current events....

It serves the public interest for the Times to take an adversarial approach to covering both Clinton and Trump. But it also serves the public interest for the Times to recognize that there is a qualitative difference between digging for evidence of embers and covering the exploits of someone who is actively fanning flames.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I'm not going to click and read the entire article, but I don't understand the last sentence. What are the 'embers' and what constitutes "fanning the flames"? We have one candidate who's never help public office-- who uses some pretty awful rhetoric, and another candidate who's most of her adult life in the public sector who was instrumental or a central figure in all kind of major policy issues-- even when she officially had no role. She's got a trail of awfulness (at worst) and at best, a trail of mediocrity behind her. That's not even going into the borderline (or over the border) criminal activity, let alone major ethical breaches in which her entire basis of wealth is centered around selling access to power.

So what are these embers, and what are the 'flames'?

[PapayaSF]

Embers = what Mickey Kaus calls "undernews." Flames = giving play to any story that hurts a Democrat.

[GILMORE?]

So what are these embers, and what are the 'flames'?

Now you're going and demanding that writers actually say what they mean *CLEARLY*, instead of masking their judgements in rhetoric!??! DID YOU NOT EVEN READ THE PIECE = THIS IS WHY WE NEED SMART PEOPLE TO THINK FOR US

[Sir Digby Chicken Caesar]

This applies to Fox, One America, and their kind, too, right?

[Trshmnstr smells of Lo Mein]

..Why is it desirable for smart*, informed* people to suppress judgments that have been formed through reporting*, study*, and observation*?

*citation needed. facts not in evidence.

[GILMORE?]

ACTUAL COMMENT ON SLATE =

Pavlov's cat
48 minutes
If you want objectivity then read Reason magazine.

Blind Staggers
@Pavlov's cat Oy what a terribly confused and shortsighted libertarian rag.

Overgrip
@Pavlov's cat
lol

[Spartacus]

Well-informed and thoughtful people are supposed to have actual opinions on current events....

So, what does this have to do with Times reporters? I suppose some of them are well-informed, if you count reading press releases.

[GILMORE?]

You Can Never Replace Harambe

[Heroic Mulatto]

Suggesting that an orangutan could replace a gorilla is why the ape terrorists hate us.

[The Fusionist]

Well, it seems *someone* had his dick out.

[Enough About Palin]

Carson, Pirie, Scott is still a thing?

[GILMORE?]

South African dancefloor soul from the 60s-mid-70s.

I think some of it is referred to as "bump jive", or at least that was a dance associated with this more-downtempo, more american-influenced stuff (*most of the other stuff of the era went by a different name, which was more like what we think of as "African")

i like it very much. its reminiscent of some very good roots jamaican soul = clearly influenced by US rhythm & blues, but with an added rhythmic kick which makes it fresh to the ear

[Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!]

Here's who's going to jail for the private server: "Clinton IT aide pleads Fifth, skips hearing"

Three IT specialists involved with Hillary Clinton's private email server on Tuesday refused to testify before the House Oversight Committee on deletions of some of Clinton's emails.
One of these three, Bryan Pagliano ? the former State Department employee who set up the server ? defied a subpoena and failed to appear at the hearing altogether.
The other two, engineers at the outside firm that managed Clinton's server, appeared under subpoena but invoked their Fifth Amendment rights in response to every question.

I figured from the beginning the IT crew were going to be the fall guys.

[Brett L]

The guy who negotiated for immunity and then took the Fifth is an idiot. They are going to make an example out of him. I'd take my chances with crossing the Clintons.

[JayU]

Uh-oh guys, it was also an American who invented commercial toilet paper.

You know what that means!

[GILMORE?]

Toilet paper is a right. Not a "commerical" product. Do you think people should wipe their ass with their hands? Then its a right.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Dude Wipes are also American (I hope).

[The Fusionist]

Nobody needs 33...I mean 10...I mean 2...I mean any kind of toilet paper.

[Echo Chamber]

A little humor...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09.....-days.html

[mad.casual]

I'd say 'emphasis on little', but that would only perpetuate the words arranged as jokes masquerading humor.

Toni Morrison calls Hillary "America's third black president." was modestly amusing.

[Raven Nation]

Hmm, well that answers my question as to whether I should bother watching Veep.

[GILMORE?]

MY HERO

[John Titor]

For a second I thought Professor Badass was back, now I'm sad.

[GILMORE?]

Pink brogues???
(swoons)

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Dude, manners. Gay people really hate that metaphor.

[Rufus The Monocled]

It's (sniff) all (sniff), I have (sniff).

/falls to knees silently as tear drops hit the floor.

Fin.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

[Collects Rufus' tears into a ziplock bag and hands it to Jesse silently.]

[Rufus The Monocled]

Well, Team Canada/USA had a spirited two games. And Team North America look like fun. I'm pulling for them!

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

*tries and fails to remember being 35*

[Los Doyers]

Acid will do that to your memory

[C. Anacreon]

Yes, I remember the day before turning 21, then it's kind of hazy for a decade or so. Not sure why.

[robc]

I remember 34th birthday but I think thats the last one.