Donald Trump

The Worst Case for Republicans: Trump Wins

The GOP would be saddled with responsibility for his behavior.

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Donald Trump
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Republicans enter the fall campaign in moods ranging from grim foreboding to howling despair. They fear that Donald Trump will not only lose but lose so big he will take hordes of other candidates down with him, costing the GOP control of the U.S. Senate and even the House. This election could be the party's worst debacle since 1964.

Republicans don't seem to have prepared for an even bigger catastrophe that could occur Nov. 8: a Trump victory. In that case, they wouldn't be stuck with him for the next two months. They would be stuck with him for the duration of his presidency, and they would have to answer for him forever.

They are in the position of a bride who, on the eve of her wedding day, knows she's making a mistake. If she backs out, she'll bring a mess down on her head. But if she doesn't, she'll be caught in a snare that will be painful and hard to escape, with consequences she will have years to regret.

The first harm from Trump is that he would be the new identity of the party. Forget the legacy of Ronald Reagan. Never mind what Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan propose. He would be the one defining the national agenda. If President Trump wanted to intern Muslims, launch drones against Mexico or put David Duke up in the Lincoln Bedroom, his fellow Republicans would wear the stain.

One of the miseries they have suffered in recent months is waking up each day anxiously wondering what new folly their candidate is about to commit. It's bad enough having to put up with his insulting of a gold star mother, not knowing that Russia has invaded Ukraine, accusing Barack Obama of founding the Islamic State, and retweeting white supremacists.

But all this amounts to an ignorant egomaniac running his mouth. In the White House, Trump would be acting, not just talking. He would possess powers that can be wielded in all sorts of destructive ways. As Republicans have learned from Obama's use of executive authority, it's hard to stop a determined president from doing whatever he damn well pleases.

Scrap NAFTA? Carry out indiscriminate bombing of the Islamic State? Refuse to come to the aid of a NATO ally attacked by Russia? Bring back torture, using methods that would make Dick Cheney weep?

Turn over decisions to advisers who couldn't find their way out of an elevator if you gave them a map and a compass? Dump Melania and start dating? The question is not whether Trump would make bad choices in the White House—only which ones and when.

Since he wrapped up the nomination, Republicans have been hoping Trump would change his reckless style, listen to people who know more than he does, avoid pointless fights and generally behave like a responsible adult. Their hopes have been in vain. He either can't change or sees no reason to.

Winning the election would turbocharge Trump's worst impulses. He would have new grounds to ignore GOP leaders and indulge his every whim. If that approach gets him elected, why would he behave any differently as president?

Maybe Trump would drag the country through four years of chaos and stagnation, trailing broken promises and aborted schemes. Or maybe he would handle the job so irresponsibly that he would provoke his impeachment and removal—an eminently plausible scenario.

The latter outcome would have some special downsides for Republicans. One is that it would saddle them with the herculean chore of defending him at his worst. Another is that it would derail any policy ideas they hope to advance. Then there's the political cost in the next election.

Compared with these nightmares, a Hillary Clinton presidency would have all sorts of advantages. It would give Republicans a unifying focus, mobilize them to block liberal policies, open the way for new conservative leaders to emerge and offer the party a chance to rebound at the polls in 2018. If she were to be embroiled in a White House scandal brought on by her own disregard for the rules, even better for the GOP.

Republicans might remember British statesman Benjamin Disraeli's explanation of the difference between a misfortune and a calamity. For his chief rival to fall into the river, he said, would be a misfortune. The calamity would be if someone pulled him out.

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180 responses to “The Worst Case for Republicans: Trump Wins

  1. If you thought we saw gridlock with a Republican congress and a Democratic president, watch what happens if Trump is president. The entire congress will shut him down…at least until he declares himself the equivalent of Dictator and takes all control over the government.

    1. If you thought we saw gridlock with a Republican congress and a Democratic president, watch what happens if Trump is president. The entire congress will shut him down

      So Congress might actually find its balls for once and refuse to fund the government from an over-reaching executive?

      The entire congress will shut him down…at least until he declares himself the equivalent of Dictator and takes all control over the government.

      Well, the military (except for the perfumed princes in the Building) mostly hate Hillary’s guts, so that’s a definite possibility.

      1. A liberal judiciary will rubberstamp everything unconstitutional a progressive like Hillary Clinton does (most of the nation’s federal appeals court judges have already been appointed by Democrats, especially Obama).

        And the Democrats are poised to retake the Senate (as polling experts like the University of Virginia’s Larry Sabato have noted), and abolish the filibuster for Supreme Court nominations (as Harry Reid has advocated). So they will soon be able to appoint far more left-wing justices than even under Obama.

        By contrast, Trump is so disliked by the political and legal establishment that our system of checks and balances will block what he does. The Supreme Court will stand up to him if necessary, the way the Supreme Court unanimously ruled against Republican Nixon (even Nixon’s appointees).

        Ms. Clinton’s Supreme Court nominees will impose speech codes nationally on college campuses (under the 14th Amendment, pursuant to a “hostile environment” theory), and perhaps beyond, making the Title IX speech restrictions of Obama administration bureaucrats look mild.

        Attacking free speech, Ms. Clinton has made it a litmus test for appointment to the Supreme Court that the nominee oppose the Supreme Court decision that upheld a group’s right to disseminate a book critical of her in campaign season. She backs a Justice Department RICO investigation of companies and think-tanks that disagree with Democrats about climate-change policy (“climate change deniers”).

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  2. Dear Mister Steve Chapman.
    You have taken a ride on the
    The worst case scenario is if Hillary wins.

    At least Trump the Dump will be checked by Billary Foundation shill’s like you.

    You are taking a ride on the Leftist, Racist, Democrat, Short Bus.

    In other words. You are a Fucking Retard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFiPANvxfDg

    1. This article was so retarded that it makes me think retarded.

      1. How do you normally think?

        1. never trust a man who uses apostrophes for plural words

          1. good point’s

    2. There’s Agile Cyborg, and his charlatan imitators.

    3. Bullshit.

      The worst case scenario is Team Red! with control of the Congress and White House (see 2002-2007). That time period saw the largest expansion of government since the 1930s.

      1. Palin’s Buttplug somehow manages to forget the Great Society.

        1. And Richard Nixon’s presidency.

          1. And the next president not only keeping those programs going but expanding them further.

            1. Funny, that works for Ford/Carter as well as Obama.

              1. Actually, Carter did some good deregulation: trucking, airlines, home brewing come to mind. Even Teddy Kennedy was on-board back in those days! Remember that the next time people talk about how Republicans have gotten so right-wing over the years.

          2. And Obama normalizing the stimulus into annual spending.

      2. That time period saw the largest expansion of government since the 1930s.

        Uh, no. The 1960s and 1970s were worse. And most of what happened in the 2000s was spending growth, which is bad but not “shut down half the businesses in the country” bad (EPA) or “destroy the healthcare system” bad (HMO).

        The worst parts of 2000-2007 were the USA PATRIOT Act, McCain-Feingold, Sarbanes-Oxley, the Iraq War authorization, and the creation of Medicare Part D. All of which were bipartisan initiatives.

        The time period from 2007-present has been worse, both in terms of spending and government power, with the Democrats not stopping any of the abuses from before, and adding a whole heap of new ones.

      3. We only have the choice of two worst case scenarios.

    4. “The GOP would be saddled with responsibility for his behavior.”

      Bwahahahahaha. Yeah, because the GOP brand has a sterling reputation now and/or Obungler sure saddled the Dims with his over reaches and reach arounds.

  3. Yet another reminder to read the byline first.

    I was amazed at the derp of this article THEN I noticed it was Chapman…

    1. There is no derp quite lik proggderp.

      And who knew Steve Chapman had such concern for the welfare of the Republican Party? It seems very Reasonable of him voice it.

  4. “As Republicans have learned from Obama’s use of executive authority, it’s hard to stop a determined president from doing whatever he damn well pleases.”

    Utter bullocks.

    The difference is, Obama has a disturbingly compliant Congress that conveniently turns a blind eye rather than attempt to stop him.

    Trump will not have the same easy ride.

    1. “The difference is, Obama has a disturbingly compliant Congress Party that conveniently turns a blind eye rather than attempt to stop him.”

    2. How are they supposed to stop him?

      Other than shutting the government down, which never works, they have zero options.

      1. I have to disagree that “shutting down the government” never works It’s worked quite well multiple times in the past. And in any event the government never really “shuts down.”

  5. Unlike Chapman, one reason to be somewhat pleased with a Hillary win is that she’ll be pinned with the next recession when it comes. That should hopefully bash the Dems like it did the Repubs in 2007-8. If only there were something other than the Republican Party to replace the Dems.

    1. Next recession? You realize that most of the country is still in the Great Recession? I know the White House would like that not to be, but it is.

      The Great Recession started in W.’s term but Obama just helped keep that economy stifled.

      1. Whatever the case, there should be another noticeable downturn.

        1. You can count on the Democrats spending an irresponsible amount of money to make any downturn unnoticed along with changing the reporting methods for any statistic that might show that’s a bad idea.

    2. As long as any Republican has had any power in the past 10 years, recessions will be blamed on them.

      1. “…power in the past 10 years.”

        If only. You underestimate libtards’ ability to indefinitely blame others for anything. Your white privilege is clouding your higher intellect’s ability to think like the lower rung and exploiters. Think like them and not as yourself for a better understanding…..use extreme caution if you have and lazy tendencies because it could become habit forming.

    3. “one reason to be somewhat pleased with a Hillary win is that she’ll be pinned with the next recession when it comes. ”

      And the coming implosion of Obamacare.

  6. I dont think we van dissagree. My confusion is that- since we know clinton is going to win- why do we care abkut what would happen in this fictional world where trump wins. Shouldn’t we be slamming democrats with these burdend because hillary will do almost everything that chapman predicted (apart from the muslim/Mexico stuff just insert gutting the first and second ammendment there).

    1. We know that Hitlery will [u]not[/u] win. In fact, much points to her losing bad. Like Reagan bad. Shillary cannot even get all the Democrats on her side. She needs all those Democrats to win and even then its a squeeker. She will not have most of the blacks who voted for Obama on her side. In fact, Democrats will be losing blue collar Democrats and more non-white voters than Democrats are expecting. There is an obvious desperation in the Hitlery camp and they know what is coming too.

      As usual with anti-Trump folks, you underestimate the silent majority who are voting for Trump and don’t discuss it much, especially not on social media. They just vote.

      Trump as President. Republican House and Senate. Conservative justice to SCOTUS for Scalia and another conservative justice for Ginsburg, when she croaks.

      1. I agree. I still think Trump is going to win, for dozens of reasons.

        1. Agree. The debates, emails, and Assange will derail her. Maybe a stroke as well.

          1. Hillary having a massive stroke on the debate stage is my super dream scenario. I imagine her losing her shit after Trump presses her too hard, and then having a stroke. One that leaves her a prisoner of her own body. Unable to function or communicate. That would be a good ‘Twilight Zone’ style ending for the evil bitch.

      2. As usual with anti-Trump folks, you underestimate the silent majority who are voting for Trump and don’t discuss it much, especially not on social media. They just vote.

        They also don’t answer polls?

        1. I don’t answer polls. Any phone call on a number I don’t know gets a terse “take me off your call list” answer and disconnect.

      3. I was saying that hillary will win because several reason writers (though i don’t know uf chapman is included) have stated hillary’s inevitable victory. Not necessarily my opinion.

  7. And maybe Clinton would be enough of a disaster to discredit statism for another couple decades. I don’t know who trump’s failure would discredit, except for Chris Christie maybe, but I’m gonna stop trying to convince people to vote trump now.

  8. It would give Republicans a unifying focus, mobilize them to block liberal policies, open the way for new conservative leaders to emerge and offer the party a chance to rebound at the polls in 2018. If she were to be embroiled in a White House scandal brought on by her own disregard for the rules, even better for the GOP.

    Why hasn’t that happened already?

    1. It’s different this time!

      Once we defeat the greatest evil, we can focus on the lesser evil.

      Because we’ve always* done that.

      *not really ever that I can remember.

    2. Because “new conservative leaders” emerged and started in on the same old social issues voters are rejecting, and the voters said, “If the only differences you can campaign on are immigrants, gays, and right-to-life, then I’ll vote for the clown.”

  9. President Trump would pave the way for an old-fashioned socialist to take over in 2020; a younger, more electable version of Bernie Sanders. Individual liberty and limited government would be lost for another generation.

    1. President Trump would pave the way for an old-fashioned socialist to take over in 2020;

      Whereas electing Hillary will install an old-fashioned socialist in office in January, 2017. Two or three of her Supreme Court justices plus dozens of lower court judges and a few thousand appointments to the various alphabet agencies who rule us will make damn sure we have a socialist nanny security state for the lifetime of anybody reading this.

      1. Homple is 100% correct. She’ll also continue to flood the country with immigrants and refugees, to the advantage of the welfare state and the Democratic Party.

        1. Get rid of the welfare state. Immigration is not a problem.

          Trump can’t win anyway. He is not flipping NY, NJ, CT as he promised. Blacks, hispanics, higher educated whites, millennials, etc. still won’t vote for him. There is no chance he’ll do any better than Romney on just the angry old white vote.

          If you were serious about liberty, limited government, the Constitution, the Supreme Court, etc., you would vote for Johnson/Weld.

          1. Even working, legal immigrants are a problem if they disproportionately vote for more statism, which they do.

            Enough of those groups will vote for Trump.

            Unfortunately, Johnson can’t win.

            1. Such a hypocritical argument coming from someone who is in fact voting for more statism by voting for Trump.

              1. If the realistic options are “more statism” and “a fuck of a lot more statism,” the former is the rational choice.

                1. bingo.

                  People ask me “how can you vote for Trump?” The simple answer is “anything to keep HIllary out of office”. Voting for Johnson doesn’t do that.

          2. “Get rid of the welfare state.” When you figure out how to do that, let us know.

            1. Vote Johnson/Weld. Have an economy based on free enterprise and real value creation, instead of debt, money printing and consumption. Individual liberty and responsibility.

          3. Unlimited droves of indigents flooding across the border is ABSOLUTELY a problem. Whether or not there is a welfare state.

      2. Trump is a big government authoritarian like Hillary Clinton, supports single-payer healthcare, promises to double whatever Clinton would spend on “stimulus”, supports Kelo and limiting free speech and “taking money out of politics” – Citizen United?

        Trump is part of the problem, part of the northeastern establishment, beneficiary of the Fed/debt-fueled real estate bubbles of the last decade. Trump and Clinton are both sides of the same awful baby boomer coin, the bankrupt welfare state.

        1. Yep. The greatest generation’s offspring are the ones who are going to irreparably fuck this nation up.

          Gen X will be passed over for leadership while the fuck up boomers hand the reigns to their more fucked up millennial kids and grandkids….

          America ain’t gonna survive….

  10. Not to mention that Trump will most likely bring 14 items to the “12 Items or Less” line, eat the last piece of pizza at your football party and then order his driver to leave the turn signal on for miles and miles while he drives back to the White House.

    Literally everything we know for certain he’ll do is magnitudes worse than any other candidate since Hitler.

    TDS at it’s finest right here.

    1. That extra apostrophe mocks me.

      1. Blame the squirrels!

  11. People actually think Trump can win? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here.

    1. the case that its ‘implausible’ for Trump to win is actually the irrational view.

      its all depends on turnout. as long as they are within 5% in any key states, it could go either way depending on who shows up and who doesn’t.

      I think he’ll lose. but i wouldn’t bet huge sums on it.

      1. Trump would have to win every state that is currently within 5% to even get close to Hillary in the EC.

        If you’re flipping 12 coins simultaneously, it is true that each coin has as much chance of being heads as tails. Still, predicting that all 12 will be heads is ludicrous.

        1. They will at a democrat caucus.

    2. Yup, and there are even a handful of commenters here who have predicted Trump will beat Hillary.

      1. A handful? Are the rest stupid? While “anything can happen” all the advantage lies with Trump.

    3. I have yet to encounter an enthusiastic Hillary support, online or IRL, whereas there still seems to be a base of enthusiastic Trump supporters. If the MSM keeps reporting that Trump is probably going to lose, the Trump-is-scary folks may stay home rather than trudge out to vote for Hillary.

      1. I’m concerned about all the election fraud that will certainly be taking place.

    4. Trump will win because of the silent majority, who don’t talk much but vote strong. Plus, many blue collar Democrats and non-white voters are voting for Trump.
      http://www.archives.gov/federa…..toric.html

    5. Reasons I think Trump will win:

      ?High “country is moving in the wrong direction” numbers, and Hillary represents the establishment/incumbent.
      ?Undecideds usual break late against the incumbent.
      ?One party rarely wins the White House three terms in a row.
      ?Hillary has huge baggage and is widely disliked. Her negatives recently exceeded Trump’s.
      ?Bradley/”shy Tory” factor.
      ?Enthusiasm factor, seen in rally sizes, the “CafePress poll,” and (my anecdote) a distinct shortage of Hillary bumper stickers and signs in the Bay area, compared to 2012 and 2012, when Obama signs were everywhere.
      ?The huge Obamacare rate hikes happening now.
      ?Some polls do seem slanted against Trump, either by over-polling Democrats, or by discounting or not polling people who have not voted in recent elections, thus not counting many people enthused by Trump who didn’t vote in 2012 or 2008.
      ?Hillary’s increasingly visible health issues.
      ?WikiLeaks revelations to come.
      ?Any terror attack, newsworthy illegal alien crime, or economic turmoil between now and the election helps Trump.

    6. “People actually think Trump can win? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here.”

      “Trump would have to win every state that is currently within 5% to even get close to Hillary in the EC.”

      I doubt Trump will win, but these comments are just as out of touch as those claiming that Trump is likely to win.

      Currently the odds by most informed sources put Trump’s chance of winning between 20-30%. So, he’s got roughly a one in four chance of winning.

      https://electionbettingodds.com/

  12. How dumb is this guy? If Trump goes nuts, he’ll be really, really easily impeached. He’s the only candidate for president that I can think of where we don’t need to worry about it.

    1. How dumb is this guy? He’s Steve Chapman, that’s how dumb.

  13. That squeezing noise is that sound of your pearls gasping for air

  14. Just yesterday I was ruminating about the destruction of the Republican Party (full disclosure: I’m for it.) And I got to thinking about Trump’s impact. His nomination will not destroy the R party — in fact, it could end up being a wake-up call that makes it stronger.

    But what about his election? Will his being in the Oval Office hurt the GOP more than his defeat? I think so.

    As far as down ticket Republicans, we have seen in the past that the electorate seems to want one party in the White House and one party in Congress. A win for Hillary might be the biggest plus the rank and file GOP have seen in quite some time.

    However, I had a theory in 2008 that neither party wanted the White House, i.e. they did not want to take responsibility for unwinding the overseas adventures of G. Bush. Seems like that theory wasn’t anywhere near correct.

    1. Keep snickering, libertarians. That’s what you’re good at.

  15. If Trump wins, America wins! America will be great again! And all the cucks will stop getting off to fantasies of Lady Liberty getting raped by burly, bare-chested Mexican landscapers.

    /sarc

    1. If Hiltery wins, America loses! America will be worse off!

      No /sarc

      1. It also appears that if Trump wins, America loses.

        The right brought that shit upon itself. They can lie in it!

        Just remember, Team R, when you’re laying in your own ashes…you coulda had Rand Paul…

    2. At least Melania Trump would give us a reason to look at Presidential photos. *I’ll be in my bunk.*

  16. Hillary is far worse than Trump.That’s saying something. Most of what Trump wants will never get through congress. And the press will savage him. A Clinton victory will insure a high court so far to the left it will make the 1st,2ed,4th and 5th a remnant of the past. The press will love her and if a D congress is elected,horrors. Then there’s her war boner and her wanting to force Russia into a corner. And of course,she’s a liar,a crook and most likely a felon.

    1. I guess I forgot here war on oil,gas ,coal and nuclear. She want the entire country to run on wind and solar. 15 dollar min, wage,higher taxes and far more spending. We are truly fucked.

    2. If Hillary is elected, the only way to save America is to do it by force.

  17. I see Chapman won’t be writing “the libertarian case for Donald J Trump”.

  18. Collective guilt; no surprise, coming from Chapman.

    Just as moronic as ever.

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  20. I saw the title and immediately thought “Reason staff my ass. That has to be Suderman, Chapman, or Richman.”

    I hope Trump wins just so I can watch the epic meltdown.

    1. I hope Trump wins just so I can watch the epic meltdown.

      My dream Chinese-curse scenario is Trump wins, Democrats and NeverTrump neocons declare the election illegitimate because “Russian cyberwar”, the media demands a “do-over” and Obama floats the idea of remaining in office until “the whole thing is sorted out”. GAME ON !!!

    2. That may be the only moderately good thing this cycle. Both candidates are horrible but, if Trump wins, I can watch leftist academia implode.

      On second thought, they’ll blame the stupidity of the American voter: the default position every time they don’t win.

      1. The stupidity of the American voter is always the case.

    3. Do they publish Sheldon’s bullshit anymore? I have not noticed any of his articles in about two months.

      1. Would that we should be so lucky.

  21. she’ll be pinned with the next recession when it comes.

    Nonsense. It will be Booosh’s fault.

  22. But what if he turned out to be good? Or, failing that, popular?

    1. Failing both of those things, his disappointed voters aren’t going away, so he’d be defeated by a Super Trump in 2020.

      1. Super Trump has twice as many wives as Original Trump.

        His hair is a color which cannot be accounted for by strict Euclidian principles.

        He is contemptuous of Original Trump’s comparative humilty – he proposes to conquer Mexico and Canada and give North America the new name of Super Trumplandia.

        As President, Super Trump will host Town Halls where audience members write proposed policies and they’re all put into a hat – he draws out a policy at random and immediately implements it, even if it involves nuking China.

        It’s gonna be sweet.

        1. So you agree that s/he’ll be a crazy, kooky super Trump?

        2. That actually all sounds like an improvement over the current administration.

  23. So, basically, he’d put down the ailing beast that the GOP has become and force a new party to arise that wasn’t so hopelessly corrupt and beholden to fundietards and special interests?

    Might be the best thing to happen in decades.

    1. I had a sarc tag on my comment above, I notice that you don’t have such a tag.

  24. But what if he turned out to be good?

    What if he brought in a professional management team to look after the day to day bullshit? It’s not like he’s out there mowing the greens on some Trump golf course, or washing the windows at Trump Tower every day.

    He can be America’s cardboard cutout front man, flapping his lips while the real nuts and bolts work of “governance” gets done. Maybe people will be forced out of the idiotic notion of Presidential omnipotence.

    1. Exactly. Someone above wrote of “most of what Trump wants”; I don’t think there really is much of anything that he wants, policy-wise. He just wants it to be huge & look great, whatever it is.

    2. the real nuts and bolts work of “governance” gets done

      Not sure that’s much comfort. That would hand more power to all those bureaucrats.

    3. He can be America’s cardboard cutout front man, flapping his lips while the real nuts and bolts work of “governance” gets done

      And how is that any different from any other president?

      1. I was going to say, if you want a President who flaps his lips and thinks it actually does anything, he’s been running the show for the last eight years.

    4. Yes. Trump is a delegater, as are many CEO types. He will steer broad directions, but leave the details to others, as he has in his campaign.

    5. What if he brought in a professional management team to look after the day to day bullshit?

      We’ve been down that path before with the last two presidents.

      “Sure George W. Bush has no experience in foreign policy, but he’s got seasoned advisors in Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld to guide him along.”

      “Barack Obama is only a constitutional law professor, not an economist, but the brain trust of Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers knows how to get it done! And Joe Biden has been working foreign policy in the Senate for decades!”

  25. The GOP would be saddled with responsibility for his behavior.

    This implies that the GOP won’t be blamed regardless of who is elected

    1. This implies that the GOP won’t be blamed regardless of who is elected

      This.

    2. Indeed. The left is still blaming Reagan for homelessness and who knows what else.

      1. Yet during the last seven years I have noticed a tenfold increase in beggars at major intersections and freeway offramp locally.

    3. Of course the Dems and the MSM will blame the GOP regardless of who is actually in power (and vice versa, BTW — I’m not too young to remember GWB blaming 9/11 and the Iraq War on Bill Clinton).

      The point is that if Trump is president that blame will be a lot more credible.

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  27. “Or maybe he would handle the job so irresponsibly that he would provoke his impeachment and removal…”

    I expect that if elected, he will be removed by extra-legal means before he even takes office. The power elite won’t wait until the loose cannon goes off?they know it will.

  28. That would hand more power to all those bureaucrats.

    A valid concern, to be sure, but those bureaucrats operate for the most part under the oversight and guidance of the Executive Branch. Trump has, however, at least *said* he wants to curtail regulatory overreach.

    Do I have any real faith in Trump’s ability to competently fulfill the duties and responsibilities of the office? No. None whatsoever. But I do not believe he is the harbinger of the Fourth Reich. I am not so ready to abandon my faith in American institutions as some people.

  29. And besides, it would amuse the shit out of me to hear the lamentations of the Democratic womynz; Mika Bfspltzk in particular.

    1. Hilarious.

      You’re obsessed with Mika. I know she is inane but I imagine you faithfully tuning in to ‘Morning Joe’ so you can yell at her much like Ignatius P. Reilly yelled at Doris Day on the big screen while he lamented the passing of the good old days of cinema.

      1. Go fuck yourself you treasonous piece of shit.

  30. I hate Trump. I think he’s horrible. The hyperbolic bullshit in this article, however, completetly overshadowed and diluted its point. Unless, mindless rambling was the point.

    1. Apparently, Chapman won’t be happy until Trump is universally seen as the underdog.

  31. Possible headline in November:

    Trump wins: Reason hardest hit

  32. You’re obsessed with Mika.

    Yeah. Of course I am. She’s dreamy.

  33. GOP NEEDS a new identity.

    Trump is just the first step.

    1. The GOP had too many openly religious agendas for the masses to be fully on board. Trump is not openly religious not pushes religious agendas. How is that not a good thing for the GOP?

      Political races are so much about money that it skews political races. The politicians know they are going to make bank in many political positions. Principled people steer clear of politics or cannot afford to run for office because they do not plan to rape The People to become rich. Trump mostly ran his primary without special interest donations but more small donations. How is that not a good thing for the GOP?

      1. How is that not a good thing for the GOP?

        Because transitioning the theoretically right wing party away from American conservativism, that is to say, individualism, free markets, DA CONSTITUSHUN and such to European conservativism, that is to say, nationalism, populism, and government-as-father-figure is not a good thing for anybody.

  34. ‘The GOP would be saddled with responsibility for his behavior.’
    Does Chapman understand how elections work?

    1. Just enough to vote several times for Hillary.

  35. I continue to be disappointed that Reason seems incapable of making lemons into lemonade and imagining ways to take advantage of a Trump victory. Somehow the largely absurd “Hillary presidency would have all sorts of advantages” idea is easier for them to grasp.

    But if Trump wins, it will be a revolution of sorts, and revolutions are when things previously seen as “permanent” can change. Trump is not a partisan ideologue. He’s a businessman, and thus more of a pragmatist. Many libertarian solutions are quite pragmatic, so suggest some. Hillary would never reduce the size of government, in any area, but Trump could be convinced.

    Want to reduce the worst abuses of Title IX? Cut pointless or harmful programs and bureaucracies? Cut welfare? Cut foreign aid? Bring troops home? Hillary will do none of those things. Quite the opposite. I think Trump could be convinced to do some of them… but not by naysayers, purists, and #NeverTrumpers whining from the sidelines.

    As I have often said: we didn’t get into the semi-socialist mess we’re in because the Socialist Party won elections. We got here because Fabian socialists worked incrementally. A Trump presidency is a chance for libertarian incrementalism is some areas. Let’s take advantage of that.

    1. Why don’t more observers look at it this way? It’s not about Trump as Trump. It’s not about a transition to European conservatism, although it could herald one or more transitions to who-knows-what. If Trump gets elected, the precedent it sets will be invaluable. He’s already set a pretty good precedent by getting the nomination, but that’d be small potatoes compared to getting elected. Voters will feel much more freedom to consider as candidates persons (or even parties or ideas) they never would’ve taken seriously before.

      Why do you think Johnson & Stein are polling ahistorically well? Partly it is disgust at the major party nominees, but also it’s the thought that if the GOP can nominate Trump, then everyone is up for serious consider’n.

      1. Yup. The “shakes up the established parties” factor is a plus in Trump’s favor from a third party point of view, so it benefits Libertarians.

    2. Complete delusional bullshit. Name one libertarian thing about Trump?

      1. Anti-war

        Drug legalization

        Right to self defense and bearing arms

        1. He’s been on both sides of each of those.

        1. Decent Supreme Court picks
          Anti-Obamacare
          Less warmongering than Hillary (who recently said that cyberwarfare against the US would be considered as an act of war)
          Supports importing fewer anti-libertarian immigrants
          Supports importing fewer Muslim immigrants, whose existence justifies the surveillance state

          1. And he might start throwing people like Hillary in prison. Hell, maybe he will start prosecuting former Obama admin members.

  36. Damn, you light the Trump signal and look at the trolls come crawling out of the woodwork. I’ve never seen so many unfamiliar names in one thread – all you guys live in just the one sock, do ya? That’s how I know Trump’s gonna lose – his only support is the Potempkin brigade on the internet that runs around from forum to forum pretending they are legion when it’s really just that one small group of pathetic losers operating dozens of scarecrows.

    But if Trump wins? We all lose. Trump winning will put to rest any notion that the small government faction of the GOP matters in the least. For 40 damn years they’ve at least felt compelled to pay lip service to the sorts of policies preferred by the likes of Paul and Amash and Flake and Lee and Cruz- a Trump win and they’ll kick those dumb fucks right off the train and won’t look back. You thought it was bad when Nixon announced we’re all Keynesians now? Watch Reince and Boehner announce we’re all Great Society Democrats now.

    1. Hillary is possibly the most evil person on the planet, and I’m counting cartoon villains, but if the GOP holds Congress they’ll be united in making sure she can’t get a damn thing done. If Trump wins, that same feckless bunch that even now is frantically trying to figure out which way the wind is blowing so they’ll know which flag to hoist will fall all over themselves licking Trump’s baboon ass and humping his leg trying to prove what loyal little lapdogs they are. They ain’t gonna say shit to Trump, they’ll be handing him blank legislation with their names signed at the bottom and telling him just to write whatever he wants on it. “It’s the will of the voters! We must obey the will of the voters!”

      Far from Trump destroying the spineless shitweasel GOP establishment, he’s their goddamn savior. (Goddamn savior? That just don’t sound right – kinda sacriligiousy, even.) And anybody throwing the drowning GOP a lifeline is damn near as evil as Hillary. But it’s right up that conman’s alley – doing the exact opposite of what he’s telling you he’s gonna do. He’s a fraud and a liar and a cheater and a thief and he don’t give a shit about you or you or you or anybody or anything other than Donald J. Trump. And if he gets elected, he’ll just have taught the GOP that lying and cheating pays better than honesty and fairness.

      1. If that were true, there’d’ve been more of his competitors for the nomination trying to look & sound like him, once they saw he was in the lead. I think much more likely that members of Congress will take him to be an empty suit they can try on each of them, convincing him that what they want to do is what’ll make him look good. In other words, the exact opposite of what you think’ll happen.

      2. You sound like one of Jerry’s kids. A full blown case of TDS.

    2. That’s how I know Trump’s gonna lose – his only support is the Potempkin brigade on the internet that runs around from forum to forum

      I guess the thousands who attend his rallies are fake, too, huh?

      It’s the Hillary/Media Matters/Soros battalions who get 50 cents a post to support Hillary online.

  37. If the Republicans win, it’ll be really important for progressives and establishment Republicans to make him own some of his most controversial positions.

    1) Trump is going to bomb ISIS even if that means civilian casualties!

    How insane is that?! I mean, what kind of nutjob would bomb terrorists even if there were civilian casualties?

    Bush never did anything like that.

    And, obviously, Obama would never do anything crazy like bomb ISIS despite civilian casualties.

    http://tinyurl.com/of6gq8v

    2) Trump plans to deport illegal aliens!

    Again, that’s so crazy, no other President in recent memory has even considered doing anything crazy like deporting illegal aliens!

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/image/228730

    3) Something else crazy!

    Who knows?

    Maybe Trump will try to cut spending, legalize marijuana, or oppose surveillance by the NSA.

    Maybe Trump will try to boost spending, increase criminal penalties for marijuana, or support mass surveillance.

    I don’t know.

    But whatever President Trump does, I know for sure that progressives, establishment Republicans, and journalists everywhere will all agree that it’s crazy.

  38. But What if Trump Wins?

    SIV will Jizzo’s his pants so hard he’ll become dehydrated.

    1. Jizzo’s? WTF, autocorrect?

  39. It will no longer be our “libertarian moment” and the old “you’ve never had it so good” idea will no longer be operative; it will be the re-emergence of the dark night of fascism in America.

  40. I’m voting for Johnson so I hope neither Clinton nor Trump wins. However in the argument of Clinton versus Trump, I believe Clinton would be far more dangerous than Trump and have far longer lasting issues for the country.

    If Trump wins, he will be under immense scrutiny from the Democrats, the media, and many Republicans. The fist sign of a mistake and they would be calling for his impeachment with the Republicans leading the way. He could be banging Melania in the Oval Office and they would want to impeach him. This is how the Republicans could scrub themselves clean from any Trump residue so as not to effect them in the future. It was only 7 years from Nixon to Reagan with 3 of those years being Ford.

    I can’t imagine Clinton being able to be impeached for anything short of accidentally nuking a major US city. No doubt we would later find out the city that was nuked refused to allow the Clinton Foundation some special privilege. Trump may look and sound terrible on the campaign trail but Clinton has proven herself to be incompetent, untrustworthy, deceitful, as war hawkish as a despot, unaccomplished, untruthful, and scandalous. I could go on but I think you get the point.

    1. Democrats would never impeach Trump. They’d much rather have him in the White House than a mostly sane Republican like Pence.

  41. This is not a question of “misfortune” versus “calamity”. This is a question of “disaster” versus “catastrophe”, in other words “There’s a difference?”

    Political commercials should come with a label stating “Warning, continued exposure to these commercials may result in nausea, vomiting, anxiety, depression and in some cases suicide”.

  42. It’d be just awful for the GOP to be ‘stuck’ with the candidate with the most primary votes ever in an unusually crowded field. Reason is sucking the Johnson hard and deep.

  43. This is hilarious! The NeverTrumps kept saying the GOP should abandon him because he will be crushed. Now they finally realize he is going to win… and it turns out THAT was the real problem all along!

    Sad.

    1. Trump can’t win. He is clearly not winning NY, NJ, CT as he promised. Hillary Clinton is way ahead of him in the electoral college, no matter how many angry old white Alabama and Mississippi voters Trump manages to get to the polls. Blacks and Hispanics won’t vote Trump. Educated Republicans and millennials won’t vote Trump. Only obnoxious white entitled baby boomers vote Trump.

      1. Yep.

        Romney lost by 126 votes in the same electoral college, so Trump needs to swing at least 63 of those votes into his column.

        The only Obama state from 2012 he’s leading in is Iowa (barely), so that’s 6…. except he’s losing in NC, MO, GA, and AZ, which sets him back another 52 votes, putting him below even McCain’s pathetic EC showing.

  44. WHYCOME FAGGOTS UN WANT AMURCA GRAET AGIN?

  45. Lol, a winning scenario twisted into a gaint insult for Trump and the thugs of the Republican Party.

  46. What are all these Trump morons doing on Reason?

    1. It’s an anti-establishment site, and a large proportion of anti-establishment types are just losers in life who latch on to the first strongman promising them an excuse for their failures.

      1. Two unimaginative real names trolling Reason with trite, unimaginative insults. How much does the Democratic party committee pay you per post?

    2. Lapping up the incredible wisdom of Peter Verkooijen, perhaps?

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  48. Steve Chapman once spoke at our Liberty Supper Club here in Seattle. At my invitation. Fortunately, Seattle libertarians are not forever stained by that association.

    At the time, he was president of a creationist think tank, The Discovery Institute. So much for a belief in reason, as Steve appears oblivious to reason while writing for Reason magazine.

    Drones into Mexico? Divorcing Melania and dating again? Is there no height of hysteria, or depth of despair, to which Steve will not indulge?

    What drives Steve’s mania, is the realization that Trump will never employ him or listen to his advice. He will treat him thusly (figuratively):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSoG7m1V6aw

  49. Steve Chapman is a columnist and editorial writer for the Chicago Tribune. He’s also an idiot. Why does he feel the need to make up all these counterfactuals? Nothing Trump has ever said supports them.

  50. Trump winning is not exactly the worst case scenario for the GOP, unless congress cuts him carte blanches to do whatever he wants – which is highly unlikely.

    Just imagine the electoral map following Trump’s win. He would have won Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and possibly even Pennsylvania. He just flipped one blue state and won back several that turned blue to purple after George Bush’s second term. If he LOSES while having won either Florida or Ohio, that would be no small consolation to the GOP.

    And let’s suppose that he just crushed it with white voters while minorities still stayed away from him. Well, that’s not half bad news either, considering the country is still majority white. If the “rust belt” goes for Trump, then it’s a total game changer.

    As far as I can tell, a Trump win is great news for the GOP. It means populism is on their side. It’s bad news for conservatives, libertarians and free trade / capitalism advocates. Trump (being the liberal that he is) will soften even further on immigration in the white house. Honestly, the superwall and Muslim ban will almost never happen under Trump.

  51. So let me see if I have this straight: You are making the case that the best thing republicans can do is lose, again. What is this publican called again? Oh reason.com, yeah that’s right. With this reasoning I must write Gary Johnson and let him know that losing this election, again, the libertarian party will be stronger. And While I am at it I will message the ladies Olympic soccer team and tell them, they are stronger. Boy this list could get really long.

  52. Chapman to Republican voters: “It would be really bad for the Republicans if you win, so you should vote for the Democrats.”

    Classic concern troll.

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  55. I don’t buy it. Trump is fond of many progressive Democrat ideas. A GOP led House and Senate that stands up to him will help shed the party of the progressive nationalist element (creating a clear opportunity for libertarian and constitutional factions within the GOP to strengthen), and push the Donald to look to Democrats for support. Will the Democrats gamble and take ownership of Trump and his supporters, or leave team ‘Make America Great’ as the new third party? A Trump win is a realignment of all parties, for sure, and hardly the worst case for Republicans.

  56. The worse case for the US public is for Hillary Clinton to win. I not only admit, but proclaim that Johnson is the best candidate in the race. Having said that, If it looks like my vote is needed for Trump to win my state I will vote for him rather than Johnson. However I am from Alabama so I likely will get to vote for Johnson again.

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