Election 2016

Clinton's 700-Mile Border Fence Is Just 300 Miles Shorter Than Trump's

The 2016 election is a master class in the "narcissism of small differences" when it comes to major-party candidates.

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Who (besides libertarians) would have figured that the 2016 election is really an extended case study in what Freud termed "the narcissism of small differences," or "the phenenomen is the phenomenon that it is precisely communities with adjoining territories, and that are related to each other in other ways as well, who are engaged in constant feuds and are ridiculing each other because of sensitiveness to these details of differentiation"?

That seems a pretty apt description not just of the Democratic and Republican parties but their two presidential nominees. Hillary Clinton wants to jack spending from 22 percent of GDP to 22.7 percent of GDP over the next decade, while Donald Trump wants to increase it by…22.5 percent (and this calculation was done before either candidate revealed more spending). Both are anti-trade and pro-zero-sum thinking about economics, want to punish American businesses that ship jobs overseas (whatever that means), and indulge in baby-boomer nostalgia. Each wants to bomb other countries (though their targets and reasons do vary a bit) and both have pledged to censor the Internet in the name of the global war on terror.

And then there's immigration, especially the issue of a border wall between the United States and Mexico. Trump's rise to the GOP nomination was founded upon his enthusiasm for deporting all the illegals, especially the Mexican rapists, drug mules, job-takers, and disease-carriers, while Clinton served as secretary of state for the Deporter in Chief. And what about that wall? As The Daily Beast's Betsy Woodruff reports, Trump wants to build a 1,000-mile long beauty to stop the non-existent flow of Mexican illegals (we reached peak Mexican in 2007; after that our rotten economy created a better barrier than all the steel made in China would ever provide). And Clinton? Well, back in the day, as a New York senator, she voted for a 700-mile fence.

"Look, I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in," she said at a campaign stop last November in video flagged by the conservative tracking group America Rising. "And I do think you have to control your borders."

She may have been alluding to 2006, when she voted for the Secure Fence Act. That legislation, which Bush signed, required 700 miles of double-fence physical barriers along the southern border. It also required more vehicle barriers, checkpoints, cameras, satellites, and drones, as its GovTrack.us page details.

And back in the day, she also sponsored legislation that would create "a biometric entry-exit tracking system [which is] exactly what Trump called for Wednesday night (and in the immigration plan he released last summer)." Read more here. And she was, of course, "adamantly against illegal immigrants" for a spell and wanted to screw over folks who employed them (Trump wants to do that too!).

So the distance between Clinton and Trump on immigration, especially now that he has "softened" his deportation language," is pretty narrow. Indeed, it might just be 300 miles of useless pork-barrel spending on fencing in the Southwestern desert.

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74 responses to “Clinton's 700-Mile Border Fence Is Just 300 Miles Shorter Than Trump's

  1. Frank Gorshin, gone when your country needs you most. Also, reminds me of Epi, who would *always* make jokes about being, “White on the Right Side.”

  2. So you’re saying Trump’s is still bigger… /these euphemisms blah blah blah

    1. Well he did say it was going to be uuuuuuugggggeee

    2. I would have guessed Hillary’s was bigger

      1. What’s the difference between a snowman and a snowwoman?

        1. Their snowballs?

  3. I’m sure this can be spun into that sliver of difference being the distinction between “not so bad, and really he has to say these things to get elected and he doesn’t mean it anyway”, and “OMG communist!”.

    1. Jimbo, you make it sound like cognitive dissonance is an inherent feature of partisan allegiance.

      1. That is exactly what an SJW would say.

        1. And that’s exactly what a Trumkin would say. /sarc

  4. Trump will have a hostile Congress and media. Clinton will have the fawning adulation of both.

    1. I have it on good authority that Paul Ryan will resist her with every fiber of his being.

      *goes back to dropping acid*

      1. Just how much fiber is that? 600 count?

    2. Is there any scenario in which that wouldn’t apply re: reps vs. dems?

      And if that’s the case, then is it not just an argument to always vote republican?

    3. Trump just needs to follow the Obama/Pelosi example and say: “We must build the Wall to see it works” . . . and, “If you like your country you can keep your country.”

  5. it might just be 300 miles of useless pork-barrel spending on fencing in the Southwestern desert.

    “Counterproductive” sums it up better than “useless”.

    1. Does it fulfill its alleged function (to keep illegals out of the country)? if not then I’d say useless is a pretty valid adjective as well, but whatevs.

    2. Trump doesn’t want “fencing”, he wants a solid wall. Brick, or stone, or concrete. If it gets built, it will be compared to the Great Wall of China. Maybe to the Berlin Wall as well. So that may be a bigger difference than the length of the barrier. Just how it will be built over river borders is question, though.

      1. It’s going to be a floating wall.

        1. Built out of unobtainium crystals…

          1. The question is which stretch of the Great Wall of the USA should we bury the dead Mexican laborers?

  6. But does it have above and below ground sensors?

    1. Sharks with fricken’ lasers on their heads!

      1. Just the river section has sharks. Well and the moat too, of course.

  7. But who pays for the wall?

    Checkmate, Nick!

    1. The Messicans will pay for it. With the profits from the weed and ass-sex.

    2. Just take it out of their aid that we inexplicably give them.

  8. Do you know who else wanted to fence in people they considered inferior?

    1. Charles Worley?

    2. Oooooooohhhh….. I know this one!

    3. The U.S. Gov’t during WWII?

      1. Specially a progressive named FDR.

    4. HUD Projects?

    5. The apes from the Planet of the Apes?

    6. Those darn Eagletonians.

    7. Who wants to do that? Or are you confusing border security with a concentration camp?

  9. Instead of an expensive, huge wall, why not just make a long electrified fence that would deliver a fatal shock to anyone touching it?

    You’d think that would keep people well away.

    1. It didn’t work on the triffids, and it won’t work on the Mexicans.

    2. Like many a rectum I seen lately, Anacreon, they have a tendency to develop tunneling fistulas around and below fencing. It’s like no one has heard of that industrious fellow, what’s his name? El Guapo? Su Madre? Los Gringos? Lo Pendejo? Meh, it will come to me inna minutchka.

      1. El Diverticuloso

        1. THAT’S IT! And his accomplice on the outside, La Haustra!

    3. Instead of an expensive, huge wall, why not just make a long electrified fence that would deliver a fatal shock to anyone touching it?

      If you build a wall from the surrounding Earth in the appropriate manner, you get a moat along with it!

      The real problem is, if you dig it too wide and deep, you’ll get a canal. And then trade happens.

      1. And romantic gondola rides….

  10. Code zero zero zero destruct zero.

    Worst. Password. Ever.

    1. Damn, should have read all the comments.

    2. Damn, should have read all the comments.

  11. “the phenenomen is the phenomenon that it is precisely communities with adjoining territories, and that are related to each other in other ways as well, who are engaged in constant feuds and are ridiculing each other because of sensitiveness to these details of differentiation”?

    That seems a pretty apt description not just of the Democratic and Republican parties but their two presidential nominees.

    *cough*

    Ahem.

    1. Gary Johnson ain’t even no Libertarian!!!!

  12. RE: Clinton’s 700-Mile Border Fence Is Just 300 Miles Shorter Than Trump’s

    Building a border fence is a very good idea for two reasons. First, it will further empty the bloated US Treasury. This country has just too much money, and something has to be done about it. Building a fence from Texas to California will cost billions, and if correctly mismanaged, trillions of dollars. Raising taxes and depriving the unwashed masses of money is always a good social idea. This way the little people will a lot more careful with their money and appreciate money more if they don’t have as much. They will have to employ fiscal discipline, unlike our ruling elitist turds in Washington DC. They will not be saving for retirement, going on needless vacations, eating, paying rent or engaging in other bourgeois activities if they have less money. Secondly, it turns back prospective capitalists who have unwisely left their authoritarian or totalitarian socialist states. Their weak excuse is they want a better life for themselves. How preposterous is that? All socialist states always provides for their slaves, and these ingrates are so stupid they can’t see how being enslaved is a much better condition to live under than being free in some capitalist hell hole. So let’s show the world what a wonderful and welcoming people we are by building that fence not only the sake of fiscal discipline already enslaved here, but to teach those who wish to live and prosper to fuck off.

    1. Your straw,am is adorable, like a unicorn. And just as real.

  13. So it’s kind of like the way Mustang and Camaro guys hate each other…..that shallow ?

  14. Clinton’s 700-Mile Border Fence Is Just 300 Miles Shorter Than Trump’s

    Yea, well Adolf Drumpf’s extra 300 miles makes his fence racist. //sarc

  15. Trump’s rise to the GOP nomination was founded upon his enthusiasm for deporting all the illegals, especially the Mexican rapists, drug mules, job-takers, and disease-carriers…

    Oh the horror!!

  16. I think you’re overlooking the real difference between Clinton’s fence and Trump’s fence.

    Trump’s is to keep foreigners out. Hillary’s is to keep us in.

    1. Why do you think the machine guns on Trump’s wall won’t be able to swivel 360 degrees?

      1. Because Hitlery cannot count above 0. Since the Clinton foundation will be selling the machine guns that cannot swivel and pushing an anti-2nd amendment agenda at the same time, I don’t see the problem you mention happening.

  17. Read more here. And she was, of course, “adamantly against illegal immigrants” for a spell and wanted to screw over folks who employed them (Trump wants to do that too!).

    Nothing is better to get your inner socialist out than people freely and voluntarily giving jobs to whoever is NOT YOU.

    Doesn’t it???

  18. Hillary is quite adept at sticking her finger into the air and determining which way the wind is blowing on any particular day.

    1. “…into her ear and…”

      FTFY

  19. Libertarians are compelled to play the equivalence card in every election. Otherwise their reasons for existence — legalizing drugs and eliminating borders — evaporates. Long gone are yesteryear’s principled stands against income redistribution and more broadly the income tax, a preference for “creators” vs. moochers (I do not name names here but this one is easy), and a long-standing appreciation for honesty and common sense. While you guys are sitting in your parents’ basements in your boxer shorts playing computer games, think about your role in turning the Supreme Court 7-2 or 6-3 liberal, of rewarding a common criminal with the Presidency, and accelerating our descent to underemployment, joblessness, drug addiction, and a permanent, entrenched, ever-more-demanding victim class.

    Oscar Wilde’s definition of a cynic — a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing — could have been applied to Libertarian hypocrites as well.

  20. FWIW, people crossing that southern border is a long way past non-existent. Spend a few weeks down there and you’ll meet all kinds of new people from further south. Shit, I found enough carpet shoes down there that I could make a patchwork quilt from here to Cleveland.

  21. Trump’s wall is longer but would probably cost less. It’s likely he would use existing trencher and reinforced concrete tilt-up wall technology like the Israelis did.

  22. Oh those Republicrats! Always looking out for our best interests!

    The only real difference between Trump and Clinton with the wall is that Trump would hire cheap (Mexican) labor; and Clinton would make it a Federally funded project.

    1. Tut tut tut “the only difference” blah blah blah. You guys are so superior to everyone. Conservatives look down on silly liberals, liberals look down on knuckle-dragging conservatives, but you lucky elitists get to look down on everybody while accomplishing nothing. Your silly presidential candidates get nowhere but your fervor for them is greater than Jews for Jesus. Your only possible accomplishment is to act as spoilers, and you gloat over that as if your guy “Johnson” just won the Nobel Prize. Because frankly you have nothing else. Same old s**t every four years.

      1. but your fervor for them is greater than Jews for Jesus.

        Um…

        …this is not a great simile. It does not say what you meant it to.

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