Thousands More Clinton Emails Uncovered, Trump Campaign Denies Softening on Immigration, Lochte Loses Sponsorships: P.M. Links

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  The FBI has uncovered another 15,000 Hillary Clinton emails that had previously been undisclosed. They are now assessing whether these are new emails whose contents are unknown, whether they're personal emails, or whether they're duplicates of previously released emails.

• "Clinton Foundation" will remain the easy counterargument whenever anybody attempts to bring up foreign government influence on Donald Trump—and deservedly so. The prince of Bahrain used a donation to the Clinton Foundation to try to arrange for access to Clinton.
• Trump and his campaign deny he's softening or "flip-flopping" his stance that he wants to get all illegal immigrants out of the country.
• Olympian Ryan Lochte is now losing sponsors over his scandal in Rio where he deceptively claimed to have been robbed at gunpoint. But an investigation by USA Today questions whether Lochte's story was actually all that far off.
• France's Nicolas Sarkozy has officially announced that he is going to run to regain the presidency from a very unpopular Francois Hollande.
• England is going to isolate prisoners they characterize as "extremists" in order to keep them from trying to recruit other prisoners to their causes. Hey, maybe that's a good reason to stop imprisoning so many people? Maybe think about that? No? Very well, then.

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Comments

[Playa Manhattan.]

Hillary is fucking up traffic in Southern California to fundraise.

Apropos, a friend of mine wrote this.

[RBS]

So, he's here to fix the cable the country?

[Chipwooder]

Don't be fatuous, RBS

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Barack Obama treats objects like voters, man.

[Tonio]

Unintended consequences, how do they work?

[robc]

Foreseeable blah blah blah

[Injun, as in from India]

Imagine an Obamajam because POTUS wanted to Obamagolf.

[TheZeitgeist]

The best Obamajam was Santa Monica College Shooting day. Cars falling off the 10 it was so full, yet everywhere between Olympic and the SM airport all abandoned bar police tape like 28 Days Later.

[Playa Manhattan.]

He eventually learned to take the helicopters when possible.

The billionaires don't live near LAX, so that's a lot of miles of pissed off people. And pregnant women in labor who can't cross the street to get to the hospital

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Hillary stole a wish and now cannot die.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

"I mean, I'm sure a Trump presidency would be a disaster. But, I'd support that border wall if it means getting home from Whole Foods without my gelato melting,"

Did your partner invent this line, because it's pretty damned good... a little too good for the 'man on the street'.

"I mean, I'm sure a Trump presidency would be a disaster. But, I'd support that border wall if it means getting home from Whole Foods without my gelato melting,"

[Sevo]

We get her a couple of days later; phooey.

[Injun, as in from India]

France's Nicolas Sarkozy has officially announced that he is going to run to regain the presidency from a very unpopular Francois Hollande.

He's going to sweep up the riff-raff.

[Tonio]

Congrats on your Official* First.

(*)By the traditional rules, which are not binding.

[Injun, as in from India]

Thanks Tonio... but on my computer, I see Playa's post displayed above with the same timestamp.

🙂

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

By 'traditional rules', you addressed an actual post.

[Tonio]

The lads are correct, you need to reference one of the actual links.

[Playa Manhattan.]

(*) And recognized by nobody.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Anarchy has rulez.

You didn't follow them.

[Tonio]

I'm somebody.

[Playa Manhattan.]

I stand by my statement.

[DesigNate]

What am I, chopped liver?

[DOOMco]

Congrats!

[bacon-magic]

Congratulations Injun.

[rts]

Now it can be said ? the Olympics are a waste of time and money

Comments are best:

Brian Cranston

The Olympics = Sanity

Where else can we meet and compete without pointing a gun at each other?

This guy probably bemoans free trade.

[Ted S.]

I presume Canada did worse than normal at this year's Olympics?

[grrizzly]

Still better than in Montreal.

[Pan Zagloba]

No, the goals set (be in top 12, have 19 medals) have been surpassed so all good.

Here's another whiny CBC article on the topic.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Actually, best ever. 4 gold and 22 medals (top 10 in total) - and we don't pour anywhere near the cash into amateur sports like the big countries do. I rarely say this but not bad when you know the sports landscape here.

[rts]

Canada's success in Rio comes at a price

Those numbers came from Own the Podium ? the agency tasked with funnelling millions in government funding to athletes and teams with the best chance of winning medals. In 2016 alone, the agency doled out nearly $30 million to summer athletes ? part of a nearly $120-million package in the four years leading up to Rio (and excluding Paralympic funding).

Jesus wept.

[TheZeitgeist]

What's that work out to in $$$ (or stone wheels, or whatever in Canada) per medal?

[Citizen X]

Scraps of bark with various animals sketched on them in berry-derived ink, if i remember correctly.

[Rufus The Monocled]

OTP showed best results in Vancouver.

I think in four years they'll do better because it takes that long to produce champions. I don't know what their predictions were in Rio, but 22 was decent.

[rts]

OTP shouldn't exist.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Agree.

[Cyto]

So, you ain't down with OTP?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Canada got gold in the humor throw.

[John Titor]

Who's this 'we' bullshit? I don't see Mr. Cranston training to throw a rock or stick the furthest or the best.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

You don't want to face off with Mr. Cranston.

[Pan Zagloba]

Article is such prime CBC twattery

It's not that no one profits from the Games. It's just that the profit is concentrated through an unhealthy reward system known in economics as "winner takes all." That applies to the industry and the athletes.

A few gold-medal stars make millions from advertising endorsements. But of those who worked every bit as hard, gave up their youths to practise, and were just a few seconds or minutes slower, the vast majority, like failed ballet stars and minor league hockey players, get little financial reward.

[Ted S.]

So the gold medallists shouldn't get what they deserve because the less-talented people are jealous.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Actually, it sounds like the author is jealous on their behalf. I'm guessing that a competitor who was *clears throat* 'a few minutes slower' probably understands why they don't reap major financial rewards.

[C. Anacreon]

I think anyone who got to participate in the sex-fest that is the athletes' village has a lot to be happy about and isn't quite so bad off. How about all the rest of us who never got to be Olympic athletes? Where's our fame? Where's our medals? Where's our Eastern European hot chick one-night stands in the athlete dormitories?

[Chip Woodier]

At least the losers weren't put to death, like in other times and cultures. Although, that would have made some try harder.

[OneOut]

That reason for invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam does not get it's due.

[Guy Behind the Guy, Jr.]

But of those who worked every bit as hard, gave up their youths to practise, and were just a few seconds or minutes slower, the vast majority, like failed ballet stars and minor league hockey players, get little financial reward.

All of which, of course, was forced upon them.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Anyone who thinks this way is a twat who never played sports.

THAT'S WHAT COMPETITION IS IDIOT. You come up short. By seconds. Inches. Whatever.

And everyone works just as hard it's just that there HAS TO BE A WINNER.

What do you want? Everything to end in a tie?

This kind of thinking is the very definition of being a loser.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Wrong wrong wrong. Millions of kids have played T-Ball and nary a score was kept. Fact: They were all winners.

[R C Dean]

Were they all winners? Or were they all losers?

[Ted S.]

The kids kept score.

[BigT]

"It's not that no one profits from the Games life. It's just that the profit is concentrated through an unhealthy reward system known in economics as "winner takes all." That applies to the industry and the athletes."

Edsel, New Coke, MySpace, kPhone all deserve their 'fair' share of profits for trying so hard.

[The Fusionist]

"Where else can we meet and compete without pointing a gun at each other?"

That's a US swim team joke, right?

[Citizen X]

England is going to isolate prisoners they characterize as "extremists" in order to keep them from trying to recruit other prisoners to their causes.

They should stick 'em on a crappy little island... oh, wait.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Surrounded by sharks and cold water?

[Citizen X]

And the nearest piece of mainland infested with Frenchmen.

[Playa Manhattan.]

It's kind of insulting to refer to the gays of San Francisco as "Frenchmen".

[bacon-magic]

+1 Rock reference

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

The crappy island he's referring to is a little bigger than Alcatraz.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Cuba? Australia?

[Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!]

Guernsey?

Jersey?

Sark?

Mann?

[Brett L]

And the least attractive women in the world.

[R C Dean]

Having endured some rom-com this weekend with Kate Winslet, I will have to disagree.

[Atanarjuat]

It's not that there aren't occasional attractive English ladies, it's just that most are somehow below average.

[Brett L]

Right. She's maybe a seven in Tallahassee.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Insult the Isle of Man at your peril, Citizen X.

[Citizen X]

Cats without tails are weird looking. There, i said what we were all thinking.

[Crusty Juggler]

Ian McKellan refused a $1.5 million offer to officiate Sean Parker's wedding

Ian McKellan, who plays Gandalf in the LOTR movies, was offered the massive sum to officiate the Napster founder and Facebook billionaire's over-the-top wedding to singer-songwriter Alexandra Lenas in 2013. He almost agreed until he was told he's have to go dressed as Gandalf.

"So I said, 'I am sorry, Gandalf doesn't do weddings,'" McKellan told The Daily Mail.

[Chipwooder]

Gandolfini would have done it before he assumed room temperature.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Rookie mistake. Don't tell him until he gets there.

[The Fusionist]

"You *shall* pass...up the chance."

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Joke is on Sean Parker. Ian McKellan is gonna appear out of nowhere and charge the through the ceremony with some cavalry.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

He'll just show up with his Magneto bucket on his head.

[lap83]

Duh, you need some hobbits there to get into scrapes first if you want Gandalf to show up

[Playa Manhattan.]

Close.

When is our baby due?

[Atanarjuat]

Pretty awesome. Until they ruined it with Sting.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Is Sean Parker aware that Sir Ian McKellan is not really a wizard?

[Playa Manhattan.]

"Olympian Ryan Lochte is now losing sponsors over his scandal in Rio where he deceptively claimed to have been robbed at gunpoint."

Rehab.

[Riven]

No, no, no.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Maybe, maybe, maybe.

[thom]

I'm still not totally convinced that this played out the way the Brazilian authorities say it did. I guess I'm just cynical about how honest Brazilian bureaucrats actually are after sitting in their DC embassy for 8 hours while they "found" my passport that they swore up and down to my face they didn't have.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Wink Wink
I'm looking for Mr. Bribe. Do you know him?

[Injun, as in from India]

Trump and his campaign deny he's softening or "flip-flopping" his stance that he wants to get all illegal immigrants out of the country.

MAKE AMNESTY GREAT AGAIN! (MAGA!)

[Scarecrow & WoodChipper Repair]

MAKE AMNESTY NEAR GREAT AGAIN!

[Pi Guy]

MAKE AMNESTY LESS FILLING! (MALF!)

[SQRLSY One]

Trumpling on the illegal humans, the old hard-ass way: We're gonna build 2 walls; One to keep the Canuckistanis out, and the Canuckistanis are gonna hafta pay fer that one? And one to keep that them thar rapin' an' pillagin' and drug-dealin' Mehixicans out, and them thar Mehixicans is a gonna hafta pay fer THAT one?

Trumpling on the illegal humans, the new-and-impoved, soft-ass wussy way: We're gonna build 2 walls; One to keep that them thar ice-niggerin' Inuits-idjits of Greenland, OFF of the Canuckistani border, and the Greenlandians are gonna hafta pay fer that one? Canuckistanis are now hereby begrudgingingingly acknowledged to be vaguely sub-human, at least? And one to keep that them thar rapin' an' pillagin' and drug-dealin' sub-central-'merikkans out, of them thar Mehixicana, and that them thar sub-central-'merikkans is a gonna hafta pay fer THAT one? DoNOTTA be a-askin' me about that them thar Mehixicans bein' promoted to sub-humans an'whut-not! Git back to MEEEE tomorryo 'bout that one, when I have calmed back down?

[rts]

STEVEN SMITH changes his travel plans:

Tisdale, Sask., drops 'rape', adds 'opportunity' to town slogan

Tisdale, Sask., has bid farewell to "Land of Rape and Honey" and unveiled a new slogan ? "Opportunity Grows Here".

The slogan and a new logo will appear on signs and stationery, the culmination of a year-long process to refresh the town's controversial brand.

[Playa Manhattan.]

What does "rape" mean in Canadian?

[rts]

In this case, rapeseed.

[Juvenile Bluster]

RAPESEED WHAT STEVE SMITH PLANT.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Canola takes too long to say. We just don't have time for that.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

"Honey, can you pass me the rape oil?"

[yet another dave]

et tu Tisdale? This the little town that bravely stood up the pc juggernaut... Also canola and honey just doesn't have the same ring as Rape and Honey

[Chipwooder]

Al Jourgensen hardest hit

[Ted S.]

I'm not first.

[Groovus Maximus]

But you can always be next.)

[AlmightyJB]

Where do I send flowers for FOE?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Chocolates. Milk chocolates.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Which is it, do you want chocolate, or do you want that other stuff?

/Milk chocolate is rancid. hack ptiuieee!

[Fist of Etiquette]

You're dumb.

[AlmightyJB]

I'm glad you're ok.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I will be when I get those chocolates.

[DesigNate]

Playa didn't adhere to the rules:

Italicized version of one of the links followed by a witty joke.

No points awarded.

[Playa Manhattan.]

I've had it up to here with your fricken' "rules"!!!

Injun followed them, though.

[RBS]

Playa didn't adhere to the rules:

Italicized version of one of the links followed by a witty joke.

To be fair, neither does Fist.

[DesigNate]

Shhhh.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

He makes up for the wit through sheer volume.

[Injun, as in from India]

The prince of Bahrain used a donation to the Clinton Foundation to try to arrange for access to Clinton.

You know who else wants access to a woman for a donation?

[Ted S.]

Eddie?

[Tonio]

He actually opposed prostitution (for anyone) because it "threatened traditional marriage" or somesuch foolishness.

[RBS]

So, Eddie.

[The Fusionist]

It doesn't?

[Guy Behind the Guy, Jr.]

If prostitution threatens your marriage, it's not a real good marriage.

[The Fusionist]

OK, what *are* the duties a married person owes to his/her spouse, if avoiding prostitutes isn't one of those duties?

[Guy Behind the Guy, Jr.]

The existence of prostitution isn't threatening the marriage; the unfaithful spouse is.

[The Fusionist]

Wouldn't you say the unfaithful spouse has a *duty* not to have extramarital relations?

Or perhaps "forsaking all others" is just a piece of boilerplate language?

[RBS]

Wouldn't you say the unfaithful spouse has a *duty* not to have extramarital relations?

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that the unfaithful spouse is the one threatening the marriage.

[The Fusionist]

Of course the unfaithful spouse threatens the marriage!

[RBS]

Right, which really has nothing to do with the existence of prostitution.

[The Fusionist]

I will just repeat what I said before.

There are arguments from *expedience* which can be made to legalize prostitution.

As Protestants have gleefully pointed out many times, many Popes allowed brothels in Rome, as a matter of expedience.

But as a matter of principle, I deny there's a *right* to have sex for pay with married people (who aren't married to you, that is).

Just because the costs of suppressing such behavior through the criminal law are too high (assuming that's the case), it doesn't mean that there's a *right* to help someone violate their marital duties.

[RBS]

So in your world prostitutes only exist to service married people?

[The Fusionist]

No, that doesn't present the same issues.

[Atanarjuat]

Prostitution exists whether anyone likes it or not, whether it threatens anyone's marriage or not. Legalization just means the girls can't be abused by cops anymore.

[Crusty Juggler]

Your marriage better meet Eddie's high standard.

[The Fusionist]

If that's a *high* standard, what would a low standard look like?

[Crusty Juggler]

You are setting the standard for everyone else, so only you know.

[The Fusionist]

I thought the married couple set the standard when they talked about "forsaking all others."

[Chipper Morning Wood]

I wonder if a marriage ever existed where sex wasn't exchanged for a favor.

[The Fusionist]

Yeah, yeah, marriage is just legalized prostitution.

And marital households are simply a type of hotel - where food and lodging are provided to the guests.

[SQRLSY One]

And I for one, STRONGLY resemble this lack of equal opportunity for all!!!!
Even legalized hookers is NOT gonna be enuff; What about poor blokes who cannot afford "equal access" to the hookers? I say, we need? Equal access, Government-Almighty-assured, for all, to penis and pussy!!! Regardless of our age or ugliness! A GRANDE idea, MeThinks!!! As I put on my tin-foil hat, I foresee a future USA where you will have the right to have intercourse (social and/or sexual) with any passer-by that you demand it from, except, of course, the "public servants" who are too busy enforcing your rights, to have intercourse with you. AKA, they are too busy fucking with you, to let you fuck them! And we will have to sneak, under cover of darkness or fog or smog, from house to house, to have any kind of voluntary social or sexual intercourse, for fear of having "freedom" foisted upon us, if we walk about openly? Or maybe we put on a REALLY ugly, slime-dripping disguise, and take our chances? This LOVERLY idea brought to you for FREE by the Church of Scienfoology. To learn more about Scienfoology, please see http://www.churchofSQRLS.com ?

[(((Renegade)))]

what *are* the duties a married person owes to his/her spouse

Keeping them insulated from tendentious Knights of Malta.

[The Fusionist]

I think *you're* the Maltese, and I've just made a Maltese cross.

[The Fusionist]

And, yes, if you mock single people who don't have sex, your mockery does take in the Knights of Malta, as a matter of basic logic, but logic apparently is a foreign country to you.

[(((Renegade)))]

if you mock single people who don't have sex

I do, I do, especially when they belong to special boys' clubs, and regularly sit in a phonebooth with a guy wearing a black dress and tell him all about their jerking off habits.

[The Fusionist]

Religious bigotry doesn't become you.

Ask around in your own family - you might hear some examples of religious bigotry being less than optimal.

[The Fusionist]

Or tell me, since you're a renegade, what do you think of your former coreligionists?

[(((Renegade)))]

Ask around in your own family - you might hear some examples of religious bigotry being less than optimal..

You mean the ones killed by the Catholics? Too late.

Part of the professed ignorance of your cult is the lack of understanding the difference between religion and ethnicity. That's partly why it encourages the sorts of mindless prejudices that call for putting people in cages who violate your cult's taboos.

[The Fusionist]

I'm certainly sorry to hear that, when did this happen?

[The Fusionist]

(and I'm still interested in your attitude, as a professed renegade, toward your former religion)

[Citizen X]

Johnny Longtorso?

[Guy Behind the Guy, Jr.]

Jeffrey Epstein?

*reads closer* Oh, women. Right sex, wrong demographic.

[bacon-magic]

Roosh?

[dschwar]

Ethan of Athos?

[grrizzly]

Americans are fleeing to Canada for real. Deported back to the US.

An estimated 1,500 Americans illegally and unexpectedly washed up in Canada late Sunday after strong winds blew them across the St. Clair River near Sarnia, Ont.

They were participating in the annual Port Huron Float Down, during which people simply float down the river on rafts, inner tubes and other flotation devices from Port Huron, Mich.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Washed up? Probably Cubans who made a wrong turn.

[Brett L]

"I don't think we're in Michigan anymore"

[Injun, as in from India]

The FBI has uncovered another 15,000 Hillary Clinton emails that had previously been undisclosed. They are now assessing whether these are new emails whose contents are unknown, whether they're personal emails, or whether they're duplicates of previously released emails.

It won't matter one bit to Leftists.They will crank the D lever.

[Gilbert Martin]

So the FBI "uncovered" the e-mails, eh?

Exactly where were they "covered up" at before they were uncovered?

If the Keystone Cops at the FBI have finally exhibited a modicum of competence at doing their job, perhaps they could also spare some manpower to actually find out what really happened to Lois Lerner's computer hard drive at the IRS and all the other "covered up" data involved in that as well.

[R C Dean]

I think (not sure) they got these from the State Department - people who sent or recieved from HRC.

Now, because they judge let Hillary get away with providing paper copies of her email, they have a hell of a chore comparing the ones she previously produced.

Here's hoping that Hillary & Co. tried to edit some of the ones they produced, and they get caught by having the originals come out from another source.

[BigT]

Will James Comey re-open the investigation? Will he say a reasonable prosecutor will try the case now?

The OoJustice case is air tight already.

[Atanarjuat]

crank the D lever

euphemizmz

[rts]

Minor league baseball player hits grand slam, ball smashes his own truck

Thomas, who went 2 for 5 on the day with four RBIs, took the matter in stride, tweeting, "definitely worth it."

[Juvenile Bluster]

Gawker on Gawker: We never did anything wrong, we're awesome and it's everyone else's fault that we're shutting down.

[Ted S.]

I wonder how they respond if somebody got a hold of Gawker employees' sex tapes.

[(((Renegade)))]

You have to actually have sex for there to be a tape.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Sad masturbation tapes while reading mom's lingerie catalog?

[(((Renegade)))]

Hey, if unwrapping videos are a thing, well, why not? Point taken.

[RBS]

I was pretty disappointed in Matt Welch's take on the Fifth Column last week.

[bacon-magic]

Them journalists stick together.

[Pan Zagloba]

Bros before hos, RBS. Welch's gotta have a code.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

As he said, he has personal experience of a person using the court system to hurt his publication. He's right that Thiel could comfortably run Reason into bankruptcy with frivolous lawsuits. But the fault is with the fucked up court system, not someone like Thiel backing a legitimate lawsuit.

[BigT]

Welch has been consistently disappointing after the Declaration, his best work.

[Sir Digby Chicken Caesar]

Too bad the commenters aren't going away with Gawker...holy shit, are they big piles of sycophantic delusion.

[Chipwooder]

I notice that nothing is mentioned in that whiny screed about blowing off court orders and acting like juvenile morons in their depositions. Oh, woe is them, those brave guardians of truth.

[Red Rocks Okey-Dokein]

You want your filling of salty ham tears, check out Sam Biddle's Twitter feed. Anything that makes that fucko miserable can only be considered a good thing.

[Crusty Juggler]

As enrollment declines, L.A. public schools borrow a tactic from the charters: marketing

As enrollment in traditional public schools around the city has declined and charter schools have mushroomed, Ramos and other principals are having to compete for students or risk school closure. To do this, they are turning to marketing tactics long employed by charter schools: handing out glossy fliers and creating Facebook pages to promote their after-school activities. The time and attention they are pouring into recruitment is fundamentally changing the nature of their jobs.

[Playa Manhattan.]

They just have a messaging problem.

[Brett L]

Shut the fuck up and give us more Monet wasn't succeeding?

[Playa Manhattan.]

It was. Very well, actually, until they started running out of human shields.

[Tonio]

Good news. Hope the taxpayers aren't paying for that advertising.

[Playa Manhattan.]

I have some bad news for you.

[robc]

Of course they are.

[Tonio]

I knew they were, I was just making a point.

[robc]

So, umm, competing.

Good, good.

Maybe they will try increasing the value of their product too.

[Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!]

If you want a good school in LA, you have to be super poor or super rich.

LAUSD could do a lot to improve their image by raising the Great Schools ratings of schools regular poor, middle class, or regular rich people attend from 2 or 3 to something people want.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Or find Jesus. A lot of my friends from college went to Loyola HS, which used to have a crack house across the street.

[R C Dean]

The time and attention they are pouring into recruitment is fundamentally changing the nature of their jobs.

Yeah, allofasudden they have to give a shit what students and parents think. Boo. Hoo.

[GILMORE?]

The FBI has uncovered another 15,000 Hillary Clinton emails that had previously been undisclosed. They are now assessing whether these are new emails whose contents are unknown, whether they're personal emails, or whether they're duplicates of previously released emails.

I'm sure they'll apply the same level of due-diligence and scrutiny they did to everything else involved.

[Injun, as in from India]

The country deserves so much better than Trump or Clinton. Yet we will end up with one of them.

Unless all of you mo-fos go today to the Johnson Weld web site and donate...

Or to donate to Purple PAC or something... 🙂

[Tak Kak]

We don't deserve better than Johnson?

[bacon-magic]

You deserve every inch of Johnson.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

One way or another we're getting a whole lotta johnson, whether we deserve it or not.

[Suthenboy]

Yes, we deserve better, but Johnson aint it.

[R C Dean]

The country deserves so much better than Trump or Clinton.

[assumes facts not in evidence]

[Crusty Juggler]

Donald Trump has made this election all about himself. That was stupid.

Hillary Clinton should be thankful for the Trump show. "They will never take the lights off of me," he said. And so the light never shines on Hillary Clinton's pecuniary motives, her corrupted judgment, or her disastrous use of American air power in misbegotten wars. It never shines on the points of her campaign that demoralize the left wing or energize conservatives. It just stays on Trump, as his electoral hopes implode.

To put it very simply, the race for the presidency is a show in itself. And it is a fight. But Trump is fighting everyone but Clinton: the press, his former campaign managers, his children, and his own manifest lack of self-control.

[BigT]

True dat

[Juvenile Bluster]

I'm irrationally angry over the John Oliver / Charter Schools thing. Somebody please tell me some good news.

[Injun, as in from India]

Good News?

Larry Whitmore's show is canceled, and let's hope John Oliver is soon canceled as well.

Also, we really need someone to take on the Stewart/Noah/Colbert/Oliver/Bee gang. Someone who can take direct hits on the pieces of smug.

[B.P.]

I really don't get why the teevee is so heavily populated with boring leftist snark. Programmers are ignoring a huge audience while their smug shows are fighting over a limited pie.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Conservatives aren't funny, unfortunately. There are exceptions, of course, but most comedians are liberal (at least socially). I am not trying to rag on conservatives. I desperately wish there was a right wing humor show, or, even better, a libertarian one.

[Brochettaward]

Bullshit. There are a lot of conservative comedians. Some of the best in the world are conservatives. If you think Comedy Central would ever give a conservative comedian that sort of politicized platform, you are out of your damn mind, cosmo.

[ant1sthenes]

Yes Minister was conservative enough, in its own way.

[Trshmnstr, green and mangy]

Gavin McInnes. He makes his living being intentionally politically incorrect and anti-feminist, and is fucking hilarious.

Steven Crowder. He was put on my radar because of his 4 minutes with Trigglypuff, but he's pretty damn funny, and he's sympathetic to libertarians.

[robc]

I am assuming it isnt actually irrational, but I dont know the details.

Link, so I can join you in being pissed off?

[Playa Manhattan.]

Pure evil.

[robc]

Not as bad as I expected. I didnt watch the video, but the description seemed like standard idiot sucking up to the teacher's union.

[Playa Manhattan.]

I have a pretty visceral reaction when people use poor children as human shields.

[Crusty Juggler]

I haven't vomited in over five years.

[Guy Behind the Guy, Jr.]

I haven't vomited in over five years.

Me neither. In fact, my vomiting is usually over in a matter of minutes.

[R C Dean]

How is that possible, for an H & R regular?

[Pan Zagloba]

Overwatch Season 2 competitive play will be tons better than Season 1, and we're getting a cool new map.

[Juvenile Bluster]

I have a Mac, and can't play Overwatch. I do play Hearthstone, the bastard stepchild that Blizzard doesn't seem to like very much.

[Pan Zagloba]

They love Hearthstone because their joke of a skunkwork project became a money factory. Come on, man, we got Karazhan! The best WoW raid by a mile is now in game (OK not exactly but I may have gotten misty eyed in the Opera)

[Juvenile Bluster]

Okay, the Karazhan adventure is pretty fun so far. Except for the Heroic Chess Event.

[John Titor]

Jon Stewart has already began fading in obscurity, his only moments of remembrance when his sickly successors' pull him out for an interview. Colbert's Late Show is tanking and Trevor Whatshisface (hey, I managed to remember his first name at least this time) on the Daily Show is tanking. If anything this indicates that "C-class comedian telling smug partisan jokes" don't have long term career options.

[DesigNate]

It's actually pretty amazing that Stewart lasted as long as he did.

[DOOMco]

Bush was dumb, and back then he ripped on the dems enough to get independents to watch.

[DesigNate]

My wife and i would watch him pretty regularly through streaming. Until the Obama interview where he practically got on his knees and worshiped him.

[John Titor]

Yep, I watched him up until that exact moment as well. I think that was the breaking point for the less left-wing of his viewership.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

I give up on him before then. His partisanship kept slipping further and further.

I think it was the numerous "Hurr Durr, Bush so dumb. Hurr" pieces where Slate started defending him as 'satire'.

[PapayaSF]

I gave up around 2008, when it became clear the Daily Show was just the Humor Division of the DNC.

[Private Chipperbot]

Waiting for Samantha Bee to get cancelled. My wife, who is apolitical, hates her because of the endless commercials they run on TBS during Seinfeld reruns.

[John]

her and me both. God that woman is grating. When your show sucks so bad that you can't even come up with a funny line to put in the commercial, your show really sucks hard.

[Riven]

I enjoyed him in Death to Smoochy

[John Titor]

Having the comedic abortion known as 'Death to Smoochy' as your most well-known non-Daily Show role is what I'm talking about. Least Colbert used to do good voice-over work.

[Crusty Juggler]

His best work is as Professor Ian Duncan.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Colbert's best voice over? -- Phil Ken Sebbin.

[Sir Digby Chicken Caesar]

His best work is as Professor Ian Duncan.

I think the dude in the bushes would like to have a word with you...

[esteve7]

I'm angry not because he is an idiot, but so many proggy types look up to him like some guru or something. The types of people who think they are smart but don't know shit.

They are only for whatever the daily show tells them, and have no principles of their own. If Oliver's rant was pro-charter schools, their fawning would be the same.

[Brett L]

We are down to fewer than 50 cases of Guinea worm infection in the world. It is racing polio for next infectious agent to be eradicated.

[R C Dean]

Somebody please tell me some good news.

A few of the workmen for kitchen remodel showed up this morning. Which, given their usual diligence, counts as good news.

Does that count?

[Tak Kak]

"England is going to isolate prisoners they characterize as "extremists" in order to keep them from trying to recruit other prisoners to their causes. Hey, maybe that's a good reason to stop imprisoning so many people? Maybe think about that? No? Very well, then."

Maybe but wouldn't it be even easier for them to recruit if they weren't in prison? I really don't know the rules here.

[ant1sthenes]

They could give them an ankle bracelet and let them stay with their parents as long as they pinkie swear not to commit terrorist acts.

[B.P.]

New feature: Commenting on AM Links in PM Links
(for those living in less popular time zones)

"Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson says 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney would have a "guaranteed" spot in his cabinet."

This idea was pilloried this morning but, election strategy and ideological purity aside, I think it's a good one. When Johnson assumes the oath of office in January, I'm doubting he is going to immediately usher in a purist, libertarian America. In the meantime, as chief executive he'll need to do some executing. By all accounts, Romney is a good administrator/CEO-type (apart from personally giving cancer to some woman or whatever); see his takeover of the 2002 Olympics. Let him take over the Department of Education or something and oversee its phase-out.

[SIV]

When Johnson assumes the oath of office in January

*points at you*

lolz

[B.P.]

Hey man, did Nick stutter? He said libertarian moment.

[DOOMco]

It's not the worst of plans.

[GILMORE?]

If you recall the story from last week where the US was scrambling fighters to respond to Syrian aircraft bombing troops where US personnel were embedded with?

Now the Pentagon is "re-framing" that particular detail, concerned that it might actually indicate we're ready to shoot down Syrian Aircraft ( as though doing that would indicate a state of war more-significant than deploying US troops to aid anti-govt rebels)

See, its "Not a "No-Fly"-Zone", its an "Exclusion Zone"

WASHINGTON (AP) ? A Pentagon spokesman says the U.S. has told Syria that its air force must not fly in areas where American military advisers are working with Kurdish and Arab forces fighting the Islamic State group. But he said this does not amount to a "no fly zone."

Reporters on Monday pushed press secretary Peter Cook to explain the distinction.

Sort of like how the money sent to Iran wasn't a ransom....We just paid them money in exchange for hostages. Which is *totally different*.

[Injun, as in from India]

Like how the Libyan intervention wasn't war, just Kinetic Military Action (K.M.A.)

[Playa Manhattan.]

"Secret No Fly Zone". You'll know where it is once you're there.

[TheZeitgeist]

Next camel run will feature A-lister Russian aircraft escorting some Syrian MiG-23 bait into the pseudo-nofly zone.

[R C Dean]

"That's a zone where US planes aren't allowed to fly, OK? The Russians can do what they want there. Because reset and red lines and shit."

[GILMORE?]

Connoisseur of Shoe-Leather, Joe Biden, Cooks Up New Delicacy

Biden, appearing Monday with Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, attacked Republican candidate Donald Trump for saying that Japan might need to consider obtaining nuclear weapons in the future.

The vice president said, "Does he not understand we wrote Japan's Constitution to say that they could not be a nuclear power?"

It's no secret that U.S. forces occupying Japan after World War II drafted the constitution, though Japanese scholars were involved in reviewing and modifying it before adoption.

The 1947 constitution doesn't mention nuclear weapons

What is sort of amusing is how quick the press is to fact-check claims about the Japanese Constitution, but not the US one. (e.g. claims made by the press that 'the constitution would bar immigration law which discriminated by religion", etc)

[Gilbert Martin]

+1 Living document

[TheZeitgeist]

If Japan's constitution is as 'alive' as the 'living document' US Constitution, then nukes whenever-whatever feelz I guess would be the legal standard.

[GILMORE?]

I'm not sure that what IS in the japanese constitution actually presents any legal bar whatsoever. (and even if so, it would simply be a matter of japanese decision making to change it).

The "renunciation of war as a sovereign right of a nation" doesn't necessarily preclude maintaining defensive capabilities. And that's the primary purpose of Nukes = to DETER.

By reasoning which wouldn't be a stretch for any political type, one could easily make the case that Nukes are in fact the *best guarantee* of preserving that clause in the constitution. Because w/ nukes, they can be assured to have every possible means to deter aggression that might lead to war.

[GILMORE?]

First Wave of Trump-Fearing Refugees Arrives

[grrizzly]

Covered above.

[GILMORE?]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bacon-magic]

+1 side boob

[R C Dean]

Good eye.

[SQRLSY One]

About time that the Canuckistanis should erect a giant WALL, and make the 'merikkkans PAY for it!!!!

[John]

it is good to remember, Gawker is dead. Sometimes things do get better. The inside story of the trial. This part still amazes me.

The jury heard from A.J. Daulerio, the Gawker editor who notoriously approved broadcasting a woman allegedly being raped and later told her to "not make such a big deal out of it." Daulerio had also previously admitted that he had no concerns for anyone's feelings in publishing the Hogan sex tape, either. "Did you give any consideration prior as to whether publishing the Hulk Hogan sex tape would distress Hulk Hogan," Hogan's lawyer asked him when he was on the stand. "No," Daulerio answered.

Sensing Gawker and Denton's loathing for the rubes who can't afford $20 martinis in luxurious SoHo cocktail bars, Hogan's lawyer went in for the kill: "Can you imagine a situation where a celebrity sex tape would not be newsworthy?" he asked Daulerio. His response seemed simple enough: "If they were a child." Hogan's lawyer continued. "Under what age?" attorney Charles Harder asked. "Four," Daulerio reportedly replied with a smirk and an eye roll. The New York Post among other outlets reported that the jury was shocked and offended.

http://washingtonbabylon.com/a.....egal-case/

[bacon-magic]

Gawker deserves everything that happens to them. And more.

[John]

Did Reason, who did a lot of whining and crying over the fate of Gawker and the big bad evil Theil ever report about this guy? I can't remember for sure but I don't think they did.

Vekselberg's billionaire lifestyle caught the attention of Forbes in 2013, when it noted that he had become the single most important player in the world aluminum market, calling him "the tin man with the Midas touch." That year the Bloomberg Billionaires Index listed him as Russia's richest individual, and the fortieth richest in the world. The Moscow Times reported that three years ago New York's highest court ruled against Vekselberg's Renova Group when it stood accused of using armed soldiers and corrupting Russian court proceedings to gain control of a Siberian oilfield. It was also alleged in court that the oilfield company's offices had been overrun by militia members wielding AK-47 assault rifles.

None of this ever appeared in Gawker. Vekselberg would never appear in the stories published by media elite last week bemoaning Gawker's demise, either. Indeed, Gawker "covered" Vekselberg only one single time, in a passing 2008 mention of him in a list of ostentatious Russian oligarchs.

[Groovus Maximus]

Did Reason, who did a lot of whining and crying over the fate of Gawker and the big bad evil Theil

That's odd, in 2008, Reason couldn't get enough of Thiel. I guess gay billionaire tech social currency doesn't go as far as it used to.

reason: I've been told you consider yourself a libertarian.

Peter Thiel: I would consider myself a rather staunch libertarian. If we went down a list of litmus-test questions, I would probably score pretty well.

reason: How did that come about?

Thiel: Personal history is always tricky, but it was partially shaped by thinking about the totalitarian disasters in the 20th century. When I was growing up in high school, the Cold War was still very much going on, and the complete lack of freedom seemed like an absolutely terrible thing.

The kinds of authors I read in junior high school and high school weren't classic libertarian writers, but they definitely pushed one in that direction. So, for example, Solzhenitsyn in The Gulag Archipelago showed how terrible the totalitarian system was. Or in the fiction context, Tolkien and The Lord of the Rings expressed the ideas that absolute power corrupts absolutely, that the ideal world is one in which people enjoy more freedom, and that that's a world where you'll have the greatest amount of human prosperity and happiness and ultimately achievement.

[The Late P Brooks]

The prince of Bahrain used a donation to the Clinton Foundation to try to arrange for access to Clinton.

"Well, don't worry. Sure we took his money. What did he get for it? Nothing. Hahahahahahahaha! NOTHING! We took his money, and he got zip. And guess what, America- you're next. Ahahahahahahahaaaa!"

[Ted S.]

Wait until the scorned leaders start sending their henchmen to the US.

[GILMORE?]

Diverse millennials are no voting monolith

haven't read article; presumes it breaks down voters into "Cucks"/"Non-Cucks"

Still haven't figured out why Sept 11 and a single recession makes them so uniquely traumatized vs. people who lived through the cold-war, multiple recessions, far more significant technological-dislocation.

i did catch this line while scanning through it

Trip Nistico, a recent graduate of the University of Colorado, Boulder's law school, is an avid supporter of gun rights who goes to shooting ranges but also supports same-sex marriage. The 26-year-old Texas native voted for President Barack Obama in 2008 ? his first presidential election ? and Mitt Romney in 2012.

He's supporting Trump because his preferred candidate, the Libertarian Party's Gary Johnson, isn't likely to crack the polls.

Popular kids know who's popular by watching who the other popular kids vote for.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Trip Nistico

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THIS IS A NAME!

[(((Renegade)))]

You need to watch more NFL to truly appreciate that this is totally non-odd.

[GILMORE?]

Brass Eye used to have a lot of fun giving their characters similarly implausible but "tv-sounding" names.

[GILMORE?]

an avid supporter of gun rights who goes to shooting ranges but also supports same-sex marriage

Because it is to be assumed that friendliness to guns AND gays are normally mutually exclusive.

[B.P.]

Yeah, that jumped out at me as well. Because, you know, if the two major parties assemble a bunch of disconnected and contradictory ideas in their party platforms, you must pick one or the other platforms lock, stock, and barrel.

[DOOMco]

Denver meet up?

[B.P.]

Quite possibly. Keep me posted. Was it you who suggested Delaney's? I've not been there, but it sounds inviting.

[Tornado16nb]

Watermelons going to watermelon. McKibben wants to start world war 3

http://tinyurl.com/je74ac9

[Tonio]

Please learn how to do proper html tags; lots of us don't read those shortened links since you don't know where they actually lead.

[Tornado16nb]

Sorry it is wattsupwiththat.com on first page. I had to do it that way because it wouldn't let me post above 50 characters. Is there another way?

[GILMORE?]

Is there another way?

https://bitbucket.org/bdhr/fascr/wiki/Home

[Trshmnstr, green and mangy]

[a href="yourlinkhere.com"]Fun Text here[/a]

Replace square braces with appropriate angle brackets (less than and greater than signs)

[GILMORE?]

4 Chilluns, Gimma Money

[Tony]

I don't think anyone who voted for Trump in the primary or supports him now gets to bitch about President Hillary for 4 years. If they actually make an effort next time around to nominate a real grown-up Republican person without major mental illnesses and without a campaign based on ethnic cleansing, they will then be permitted to resume their bitching for her second term.

[tarran]

And here I was thinking that no Democrat who is voting for Hillary has any cause to bitch about Trump!

After all she has in the past supported every objectionable policy Trump has proposed, has an actual track record of influence peddling which she tries to explain away by claiming she has really bad judgement, and clearly has very serious anger management issues.

Maybe you Democrats and Republicans could sit out this election, and allow us grownups to vote for grownups outside the two mainstream parties?

[Tony]

The grownups who nominated the guy who's most famous for his pledge not to smoke weed in the White House, or the grownups who nominated the anti-vaccination nutjob?

[grrizzly]

How much does Brock pay per post these days?

[tarran]

I was thinking the grownups who voted for none of those people, Tonykins.

Here's the thing. Political partisans tend to be really, really stupid. It really doesn't matter how powerful the political party is. Partisans are generally incredibly stupid.

[Tony]

So in order to qualify as intelligent, one must adopt a political strategy of purposefully taking no steps to achieve anything?

[tarran]

See what I mean about partisans being stupid? They assume that if one doesn't shill for a party, one is doing nothing. Often they cannot conceive of anything outside the mudwrestling reality show that is partisan politics.

One need look no further to explain why Hillary Clinton, an incompetent hack who fails at everything she turns her hand to except blatant influence peddling, has risen to the apex of power in her political party. They literally are too stupid to put 2 and 2 together, and like lemmings believe whatever they are told to believe.

[DesigNate]

But tarran, she's like the most qualified person EVER to try to become president. EVER!!!11!

[Tony]

But Democrats and Republicans achieve things. Via their parties. Libertarians sit around and jerk off to fantasies about their own superior intelligence.

I was a smarty-pants nonpartisan too. For about 6 months in 10th grade. That was after my libertarian phase. I guess higher education and world experience only made me dumber.

[bacon-magic]

I guess higher education and world experience only made me dumber.

No, the correct answer would be genetics.

[tarran]

I guess higher education and world experience only made me dumber.

That's precisely correct, Tony.

Being a very stupid man, you tend to draw the wrong conclusions from your experiences. And having read your comments over the years it's pretty clear that you are literally so dumb that you are incapable of ever recognizing all the evidence falsifying your beliefs. In fact, you are so stupid that often you actually incorporate evidence showing a belief is wrong as evidence that it is correct!

[Tornado16nb]

I thought you blamed libertarians for the mess we are in? which is it?

[tarran]

I thought you blamed libertarians for the mess we are in? which is it?

We are simultaneously so powerful we ruin everything and so marginalized as to be utterly insignificant. George Orwell coined the word "doublethink" to describe the phenomenon:

dou?ble?think
?d?b?l?THiNGk/Submit
noun
the acceptance of or mental capacity to accept contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.

[Tony]

You idiots aren't powerful. The corporate lobbyists whoring your ideology to influence policy--through a major American political party--are however.

Are you people saying that you're super smart because you have no means or desire to achieve any political goals? Because it seems like that's what you're saying.

[SQRLSY One]

Hitler got shit done, too, he burned the Jews... Via his party...

And they burned witches in the middle ages. Via their "party" of stupidity and ignorance and baseless fears.

Today, the main political parties shit all over people's freedoms, when it is not really necessary to do so. Might does NOT make things right! Just because "we've always done it that way" does not make it right, either!

[Tony]

And the libertarian plan to defeat this evil is....

[SQRLSY One]

Libertarian plan is to use force, ONLY to counter against unlawful, hateful, or unjustified force, fraud, theft, etc. ... No force to make you make the charity choices we prefer, no force to make you worship Gaia or Globabble Warnererering, no force to make you see a LICENSED interior decorator, you can engage in consensual free exchange of all that is peaceful... Including seeing an unlicensed hairdresser if you want to. Non-Libertarians believe in being SOOOO morally superior to everyone else... I have 200 some million morally superior voters here in the USA, who self-righteously use Government Almighty force to boss me around all day, every day... Then we are surprised when we fight all day about politics, and the cops strangle to death, a poor back person for selling 1 cigarette at a time, w/o a license... And the voters want MORE laws to fix it all!
In short, the libertarian fix is SANITY and SELF-RESTRAINT, and MINIMAL Government Almighty violence, limited to ONLY that which we MUST have.
We tried socialism, and got 110 Million dead folks in the 20th century, and now we have Venezuela... Time to try sanity instead...

[Guy Behind the Guy, Jr.]

If they actually make an effort next time around to nominate a real grown-up Republican person

Seriously, shut the fuck up. There isn't a Republican who would run that you would describe as grown up. You and your asshole cohorts managed to paint Mitt Romney as some sort of demon spawn. This is a man who, when he's really feeling his wild oats, stays up till 11:00 PM watching Andy Griffith reruns.

You have no credibility on any fucking subject, Tony. You're a fucking tool paid to troll message boards, and no one gives a shit what you think. I will now resume my usual practice of skipping past your posts after seeing your name attached to them, but just once I thought I should bother with a response just so you know what everyone here everywhere is thinking every time your name pops up with a post beneath it.

Go.
Fuck.
Yourself.

[Tony]

Are you more upset about the treatment of Romney or Trump, libertarian individualist freethinker?

[John Titor]

You know, it's possible to defend Romney from disingenuous lies about his positions, and still not really like the guy (or his policies) politically. I know that's a nuanced position far too complex for your addled mind to actually understand, but I'll say it anyway and await an equally disingenuous reply.

[Tony]

So this is an exercise in objectively assessing the lies told about politicians during political campaigns. I'll await your posts defending Obama and Hillary. I understand they'll have to be 50 times as long, so I'll be patient as you type.

[John Titor]

And cue blind disingenuous partisan hackery from Tony, like clockwork.

Shockingly I can also think Obama wasn't born in Kenya and still argue that he's massively incompetent.

Now please, go back to throwing temper tantrums every time someone points out Hillary's corruption. Then whine about people 'lying' about her.

[Red Rocks Okey-Dokein]

Please. If Hillary told the truth about anything, it would be the first time in the last 40 years.

[DOOMco]

That's crazy talk.

[DesigNate]

Because, as we all know, real grown-ups say pretty much the same things, only with a (D) after their names.

[Juvenile Bluster]

What about the people who voted for a criminal in the Democratic primary, Tony Toni Tone?

[Tony]

Bernie lost, and in his defense getting arrested for protesting for civil rights is considered a noble thing in this country.

[(((Renegade)))]

Is it noble to buy a vacation home with your campaign cash?

[Tornado16nb]

Arent you the one that wants to jail people who dont believe your climate change religion?

[Groovus Maximus]

Very appropriate, considering their biggest hit is titiled, "No Loot." Which is precisely what Tony wants people to have left after taxes.

[John Titor]

No, you see Juvenile Bluster, grown-ups spend all their time constantly denying and trying to cover up their candidate's dishonesty and criminality. That's what being a grown-up is all about, being a hack sycophant with no decency.

[Tornado16nb]

hey can you help me out with some money for society purposes?

[R C Dean]

Nobody cares what you "think", Tony.

[Ken Shultz]

"I don't think anyone who voted for Trump in the primary or supports him now gets to bitch about President Hillary for 4 years."

Does anybody follow this?

Will people who voted for Hillary be wrong to complain about President Trump because they voted for Hillary?

Is Tony like 12 years old?

[Ken Shultz]

"France's Nicolas Sarkozy has officially announced that he is going to run to regain the presidency from a very unpopular Francois Hollande."

So, someone who's been widely thought a corrupt politician from yesteryear is going up against an upstart anti-immigrant populist. Where have I heard that before?

I guess the difference is that, unlike Trump, Le Pen actually leads the party she represents and, also, even if she doesn't win the presidential election, she and her supporters are going to be a force in France for a long time to come.

[The Late P Brooks]

Still haven't figured out why Sept 11 and a single recession makes them so uniquely traumatized vs. people who lived through the cold-war, multiple recessions, far more significant technological-dislocation.

I'm still trying to figure out why a reluctance to rack up debt willy-nilly marks them as "irrational". They seem to believe plenty of irrational things, but that's not really one of them, as far as I can see.

[TheZeitgeist]

I'm still trying to figure out why a reluctance to rack up debt willy-nilly marks them as "irrational".

If debt is of government-backed college variety currently turning into generational political football than millennials all for more unfortunately.

[Trshmnstr, green and mangy]

This is where the reluctance comes from. When you have $125k in debt from a M.A. in Gender Roles as Portrayed in East Asian Folk Dance, and you make $8.10 at the local coffee shop, not many banks are going to give you a large loan for a house or a car.

[The Late P Brooks]

I don't think anyone who voted for Trump in the primary or supports him now gets to bitch about President Hillary for 4 years.

You'll never get to be a real boy that way, Pinocchio.

[bacon-magic]

"I'm a real boy!" is often heard on online fps gaming when a little tyke gets on the mic. /SeussSlayerYHML9

[The Late P Brooks]

Are you more upset about the treatment of Romney or Trump?

And then, one day, the wolf really did come. He ate the shrieking little boy as the villagers laughed and jeered.

And they all lived happily after.

The End.

[Ken Shultz]

But the wolf ate all their sheep, too.

They didn't have anything to eat that winter.

They didn't live happily ever after. They starved.

[Tornado16nb]

Can someone help me out with logic here....

Why shouldn't a Trump supporter primary and or now be able to complain about Hillary Clinton the next 4 years seeing how she is his main opposition and competing against? I presume people voting for trump aren't hillary fans so why would they just come around to her. I am confused.

[Atanarjuat]

I think because by picking Trump in the primary, they picked a candidate Hillary could beat, handing her the election.

It seems like a talking point aimed at Trump supporters, which a moderately intelligent person would realize libertarians are not.

It also has a slight air of free speech-stifling, but that's not really so surprising considering the source.

[Ken Shultz]

I can't get over how big the Clinton Foundation story has become.

I've been yelling about it every day since it broke in February of 2015, and people looked at me like I was from Neptune.

Now, suddenly, everybody's talking about it, and that's great.

[TheZeitgeist]

One can imagine attention entity like CGI would attract were it named 'Cheney Better World' etc. There really is no parallel ex-presidential setup like the Clinton-thing in history of republic - though Obama I think has a gestating analog in OFA after he leaves office.

[flye]

That's absurd anyway. Neptune was a big Clinton Foundation contributor.

[TheZeitgeist]

Huge methane interest.

[flye]

No coincidence that NASA's Kepler decider to start checking out Neptune's moons. The truth is out there.

[Juvenile Bluster]

In a Facebook group I'm a part of, somebody talked about how wonderful "The Hunting Ground" is. I mentioned that it's bullshit and light on facts, linking the Harvard Law letter and the Slate article on the subject. Lets take a gander at the responses I've been hearing, shall we?

Sounds like a bunch of excuses and reasons for victims not stepping forward

And continued victim blaming and shaming and all part of the "fallout" as predicted.

Better safe than sorry. Show your kids this and have healthy dialogs? Or don't mention it and just hope for he best?

Even if the "1 in 5" number is not real - it STILL happens. This still occurs. And these women matter who ARE AFFECTED MATTER. I'd rather be aware than ignorant of it.

really this is a problem that has existed since the beginning of time and mansplaining here isn't gonna be enough.

[flye]

" I'd rather be aware [of made up facts] than ignorant of [made up facts]."

[Juvenile Bluster]

Here's the last one I saw before I got the fuck out of that group:

All that article does is make men the victim, and blame the women, many women don't report their sexual assault which means the correct statistic is probably higher than 1 in 5

[flye]

Shame you left. Could've asked how many people were planning on voting for the presidential candidate married to the known rapist.

[GILMORE?]

I think the only statistic that makes people STFU is to show them that college kids are safer than anyone else in the country.

Go ahead, teach your kids to avoid getting raped, of course. But don't wring your hands and pretend that snookums is facing some great risk that every other person on earth is somehow free from.

[DesigNate]

I really only use Facebook to keep in touch with family, but damn I can't even escape this retarded shit there.

[Banjos]

"really this is a problem that has existed since the beginning of time and mansplaining here isn't gonna be enough."

mansplaining is code word for facts and logic, how dare men try to calm paranoid, hysterical women down with their use of facts and logic.

[The Late P Brooks]

Even if the "1 in 5" number is not real - it STILL happens. This still occurs. And these women matter who ARE AFFECTED MATTER. I'd rather be aware than ignorant of it.

If that "1 in 5" number were actually true, your daughter would probably be safer if she worked as a stripper.

[Atanarjuat]

Yeah, but then she'd only make 70% of what male strippers make. Sorry, those are just the facts.

[Tornado16nb]

BY BILL MCKIBBEN
August 15, 2016

In the North this summer, a devastating offensive is underway. Enemy forces have seized huge swaths of territory; with each passing week, another 22,000 square miles of Arctic ice disappears. Experts dispatched to the battlefield in July saw little cause for hope, especially since this siege is one of the oldest fronts in the war. "In 30 years, the area has shrunk approximately by half," said a scientist who examined the onslaught. "There doesn't seem anything able to stop this."

"It was public capital that built most of the stuff, not Wall Street," says Wilson. "And at the top level of logistics and supply-chain management, the military was the boss. They placed the contracts, they moved the stuff around." The feds acted aggressively?they would cancel contracts as war needs changed, tossing factories full of people abruptly out of work. If firms refused to take direction, FDR ordered many of them seized. Though companies made money, there was little in the way of profiteering?bad memories from World War I, Wilson says, led to "robust profit controls," which were mostly accepted by America's industrial tycoons. In many cases, federal authorities purposely set up competition between public operations and private factories: The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard built submarines, but so did Electric Boat of Groton, Connecticut. "They were both quite impressive and productive," Wilson says.

[Tornado16nb]

Tony what do you think about the climateer who was lecturing people not to have kids? Would you support a global genocide to fight climate change?

[Tornado16nb]

BY BILL MCKIBBEN
August 15, 2016

In the North this summer, a devastating offensive is underway. Enemy forces have seized huge swaths of territory; with each passing week, another 22,000 square miles of Arctic ice disappears. Experts dispatched to the battlefield in July saw little cause for hope, especially since this siege is one of the oldest fronts in the war. "In 30 years, the area has shrunk approximately by half," said a scientist who examined the onslaught. "There doesn't seem anything able to stop this."

"It was public capital that built most of the stuff, not Wall Street," says Wilson. "And at the top level of logistics and supply-chain management, the military was the boss. They placed the contracts, they moved the stuff around." The feds acted aggressively?they would cancel contracts as war needs changed, tossing factories full of people abruptly out of work. If firms refused to take direction, FDR ordered many of them seized. Though companies made money, there was little in the way of profiteering?bad memories from World War I, Wilson says, led to "robust profit controls," which were mostly accepted by America's industrial tycoons. In many cases, federal authorities purposely set up competition between public operations and private factories: The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard built submarines, but so did Electric Boat of Groton, Connecticut. "They were both quite impressive and productive," Wilson says.

[Tornado16nb]

These guys are nutjobs....wasn't he on the DNC party platform? Yikes.....

[Tornado16nb]

Tony, is Bill your hero?

[Tony]

No but he does make a good point about how shitty a job capitalism did at winning WWII.

[Tornado16nb]

Um what? Do you want to fight more wars or something?

[DesigNate]

FDR forces price and profit controls on the American public all while taxing them to provide "jobs" for the public sector, and Tony blames capitalism.

Never change man. Never change.

[Tornado16nb]

Clearly the free market

[Tony]

I didn't blame capitalism, I said it was irrelevant.

[TheZeitgeist]

...And at the top level of logistics and supply-chain management, the military was the boss...

Sounds like a CCCP something-something. Oh never mind.

[tarran]

The thing about guys like Hansen and McKibben is that people really ignore their public pronouncements of the future the want to impose upon us at their peril.

Like the Nazis, they are telling us exactly what they are going to do to us. And people like Obama and Clinton who cozy up to them hoping to gain political power from their supporters, just like the German politicians who cozied up to Hitler and his crowd, are being fools. Because these guys don't care about who they destroy in pursuit of their Judenfrei Fossil-fuel free paradise. If ever they get into power, really get into power, they will make the Earth a charnel house. They are proclaiming it proudly. And people had better stop pretending that they are not serious.

[Tornado16nb]

Yea it is a bit concerning.

[TheZeitgeist]

After the ovens burnup all the deniers, the original oven operators will be tossed into same - because of all their carbon-sin burning up the deniers.

And so on.

[GILMORE?]

FBI uncovers 15K undisclosed emails in Clinton probe

Question =

Why is evidence still being "Uncovered" if the investigation by the FBI is over?

And how could they have made their determination to not pursue charges if they knew they didn't have all the evidence yet?

[GILMORE?]

oh, the FBI "uncovered" them in the course of its own investigation... and handed them to state, who is now determining whether to release to the public.

What's odd about that is that if they were never released before now... where'd the FBI get them? AFAIK the evidence they had was all the stuff Hillary handed to state *first*. Meaning... they ripped them right off the server themselves?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

We need to open a long, detailed conversation about Russian Hackers.

[DOOMco]

That was my first thought.

[Tornado16nb]

Can someone link that Krugman derp again about obamacare bump? Does he really believe that crap?

I want to think based on when he is not in NYT column that he is like Mark May on ESPN. It is an all troll job

[commodious needs a drink]

Has this made the rounds already?

Top Hillary Clinton confidante Huma Abedin played no formal role in a radical Muslim journal ? even though she was listed as an editor on the hate-filled periodical's masthead for a dozen years, a campaign rep claimed Sunday.

...

Her brother, who was an associate editor, and a sister, also employed as an assistant editor, are listed as staff members.

Abedin's Pakistani mother, Saleha Mahmood Abedin, remains editor-in-chief.

[GILMORE?]

Yep. last night.

the only thing missing from the story seems to be any examples of what made the journal so "radical"

the sort of stuff they cite is kinda ho-hum

Headlined "Women's Rights Are Islamic Rights," a 1996 article argues that single moms, working moms and gay couples with children should not be recognized as families. It also states that more revealing dress ushered in by women's liberation "directly translates into unwanted results of sexual promiscuity and irresponsibility and indirectly promote violence against women."

My god - like Huma was working for 1980s National Review... or 1990s-Today's Focus On the Family?!?

[PapayaSF]

The journal supported a strict interpretation of Islamic Sharia laws, which call for beheadings, require women to cover their bodies and faces and advocate death for "infidels" ? which in their view includes just about everyone but the most extreme religious hardliners.

Not radical enough for you?

[GILMORE?]

Show me the quotes and we'll see.

Saying "they support sharia"... and THEN saying "Sharia asserts X, Y, Z" isn't quite the same

[PapayaSF]

I can't find any copies of the journal online, but no, it really is not much a leap. A Saudi-funded journal supports sharia (as all Muslims are expected to do), and sharia means certain things.

[commodious needs a drink]

No idea who this guy is, but Ace spotlighted his tweets.

I hate twitter and twitterspeak so goddamn much.

[ant1sthenes]

OTOH, if a Republican was so closely with a woman who said those things, it would make Mitt Romney's binders comment look like a walk in the park.

[PapayaSF]

It's utterly fucking absurd that Huma Abedin has anything like the access to secrets and power that she has. If I ran the FBI she'd be under 24/7 surveillance until I found a reason to arrest her. She's an agent of influence for our enemies.

[creech]

However,if some Trump county organizer had once edited a white supremacist newsletter, there would be a four day media riot.

[DOOMco]

Alright. This Sunday (Sunday Sunday)
At Delany's cigar bar (bar bar)
In downtown Denver!
Alcohol and tobacco!
Meet some fellow resonoids!

Tonight or tomorrow I'll change my handle to my email. So far I think it's just DenverJ, cliche and myself. Red rocks and BP, you're more than welcome. People I don't know live in the front range, you are also welcome.

[Sevo]

"The prince of Bahrain used a donation to the Clinton Foundation to try to arrange for access to Clinton."

Guy needs glasses? Can't read the price list? Screw 'em.

[Injun, as in from India]

Eyes Wide Shut.

[tarran]

Man, she sure does yoga with a lot of powerful people

[R C Dean]

To the memory hole, stat!

She already said under oath she took care of "Clinton family business"* while on the State Dept. payroll. Nobody gave a shit then, nobody gives a shit now.

*which totally doesn't make the Clintons sound like an organized crime family, nope.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Brain Wide Shut.

[Citizen X]

Thanks for the mental image of Hillary and her cronies participating in a masked orgy, Injun. I may never stop vomiting.

[Citizen X]

"Doing yoga with powerful people" is how i refer to dropping a deuce from now on.

[Playa Manhattan.]

I just assumed that was what was meant by "access".

[Tonio]

Haven't read anything by SugarFree, eh, Citzy? Granted, he's never described them as masked.

[Citizen X]

No, no, i have, but i'm dealing with a stomach thing today and i'm a little fragile.

[Groovus Maximus]

Granted, he's never described them as masked.?

No, but referring to them as, "...donning Bubonic Plague Era hoods for face fucking Herself's wriggling, orgiastic, shriveled and desiccated love lotus..." is much more likely.

[Groovus Maximus]

And they still are available in stylish colour coordinates!

[bacon-magic]

Wow Doc, you're supposed to make people get better, not sicker.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Because I previously thought it was sane, and had some good conversations in it.

As of about 5 minutes ago, I'm no longer in that group.

[Groovus Maximus]

Wow Doc, you're supposed to make people get better, not sicker.

Think of it as the gom jabbar. Besides, job security!

[Tonio]

^This.

[perlchpr]

You misspelled "abscess".

[bacon-magic]

+1 Dune reference. May you receive many barnyard animals for all of your good works.

[bacon-magic]

+1 This is the end.