Clint Eastwood Tears into "Kiss-Ass Generation…P*ssy Generation," Hillary Clinton
The Squint says political correctness means "It's a sad time in history."

Esquire magazine has published a wide-ranging interview with movie icon and director Clint Eastwood and his son, actor Scott Eastwood. Over the years, Eastwood pere has identified as a small-L libertarian and he infamously appeared at the 2012 Republican National Convention to carry on a dialogue with an empty chair meant to represent Barack Obama.
This time around, the 86-year-old Eastwood says he has yet to endorse anyone but…he knows he really dislikes Hillary Clinton and is somewhat empathetic toward Donald Trump.
I mean, [Hillary would be] a tough voice to listen to for four years. It could be a tough one. If she's just gonna follow what we've been doing, then I wouldn't be for her….
What Trump is onto is he's just saying what's on his mind. And sometimes it's not so good. And sometimes it's … I mean, I can understand where he's coming from, but I don't always agree with it….
[If it's a choice between Clinton and Trump,] I'd have to go for Trump…you know, 'cause she's declared that she's gonna follow in Obama's footsteps. There's been just too much funny business on both sides of the aisle. She's made a lot of dough out of being a politician. I gave up dough to be a politician. I'm sure that Ronald Reagan gave up dough to be a politician.
The Esquire interviewer, Michael Hainey, didn't bring up third-party candidates Gary Johnson and Jill Stein and The Squint didn't go there on his own. Yet just a year ago, Scott Eastwood volunteered that his father was "a total Libertarian—everyone leave everyone alone. Everyone live their own private life." In fact, Clint's politics certainly seem to lean that way rather than standard-issue Republican or socially conservative (he's declared, "I don't give a fuck about who wants to get married to anybody else!") and he opposed the Iraq War from its inception.
Regardless of his likely vote in November, Eastwood seemed more annoyed by larger social trends than any particular election.
[Trump is] onto something, because secretly everybody's getting tired of political correctness, kissing up. That's the kiss-ass generation we're in right now. We're really in a pussy generation. Everybody's walking on eggshells. We see people accusing people of being racist and all kinds of stuff. When I grew up, those things weren't called racist. And then when I did Gran Torino, even my associate said, "This is a really good script, but it's politically incorrect." And I said, "Good. Let me read it tonight." The next morning, I came in and I threw it on his desk and I said, "We're starting this immediately."…
Cineastes will recall that Eastwood's character in 2008's Gran Torino, Walt Kowalski, is a grouchy, racist Korean war vet who comes to bond with two teenaged Hmong siblings (that the sister gets brutally raped by gang members and the brother gets Walt's prized car in the end is a sign of cinematic sexism, in my opinion). If the Esquire interview is any indication, Eastwood may still be having trouble snapping out of the reactionary character fully:
All these people out there rattling around the streets and stuff, shit. They're boring everybody. Chesty Puller, a great Marine general, once said, "You can run me, and you can starve me, and you can beat me, and you can kill me, but don't bore me." And that's exactly what's happening now: Everybody is boring everybody. It's boring to listen to all this shit. It's boring to listen to these candidates….
I'd say get to work and start being more understanding of everybody—instead of calling everybody names, start being more understanding. But get in there and get it done. Kick ass and take names. And this may be my dad talking, but don't spend what you don't have. That's why we're in the position we are in right now. That's why people are saying, "Why should I work? I'll get something for nothing, maybe." And going around and talking about going to college for free. I didn't go to college for free. I mean, it was cheap, because I went to L. A. City College—it wasn't like going to a major university. But it was okay.
Writing off an entire generation—I assume he means millennials, more or less—is an odd way to begin a dialogue, especially if the cure to the current "sad time in history" is to "start being more understanding of everybody." Certainly Donald Trump is nobody's idea of a good listener (or even a bad one). I'll add that essentially every generation berates the ones that follow as soft and weak—as kiss-asses and pussies, if you will. Is political correctness a thing? For sure, but as even the curmudgeonly P.J. O'Rourke has noted, it's also "a nicer, kinder, more decent society we live in today then the society when I was a kid." Plus, we've got South Park, which has given younger generations the ability to read through P.C. pretty effectively.
We rely on celebrities and artists, even ones as accomplished as Eastwood, for guidance to life at our own peril. Yes, political correctness is a thing that needs to be beaten back, especially when it gets in the way of free expression. Yes, the students who benefit from going to college should pay all, most, or certainly some of the cost. Yes, working hard is better than being a slouch and Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are fundamentally boring in how they talk about politics.
But to quote Edward Snowden, the subject of a September release featuring Scott Eastwood in the title role, "The individual is more powerful today than they have ever been in the past." That is no small advance during the span of Clint Eastwood's career, which began in the 1950s under the old studio system. While you can forgive an 86-year-old movie star for glossing over how much things have improved since his early days, that doesn't mean we need to join in his downbeat assessment of the current moment.
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And that's exactly what's happening now: Everybody is boring everybody. It's boring to listen to all this shit. It's boring to listen to these candidates....
If there is one thing that Clint Eastwood is a subject matter expert on, it's boring.
*narrows gaze*
You just watch what you say about Every Which Way But Loose, mister!
I had to use the Internet to prove that movie existed when I told my student workers that Clint Eastwood once co-starred with an orangutang.
Once? Don't you mean twice?
Everyone knows that Any Which Way You Can was the superior Clint-orangutan pairing.
I thought he was referring to Million Dollar baby.
"Once" as in "some point in the past," nicole. Jeesh.
And "Philo Beddoe" is one of the great character names of cinema.
Correction... Twice starred with an orangutan.
Any Which Way You Can was not nearly as good, but was probably the best acting William Smith ever did.
You too?
nicole. I name you nicole.
I AM NOT NICOLE!
I'm Epi's mom. Or Tulpa. I get cornfused.
No, you are being a nicole--which, as we all know, is the worst.
Fuck refresh... you can all suck it.
Not to mention Sondra Locke....
once co-starred with an orangutang
You spelled "stuck up, full of herself, marginally talented, grade a bitch" wrong...
But enough about Sondra Locke...
He did the movie because he was considering going into politics and eventually running for president, like some before him.
Every Which Way But Loose is a triumph in film making.
"If there is one thing that Clint Eastwood is a subject matter expert on, it's boring"
I assume that you are trying to imply that Clint Eastwood is boring? If so this comment is either partisan or out of touch with reality. Clint Eastwood is and has never been boring.
He meant boring, as in Clint's squinty gaze bores right into your soul.
+2, eyes of steel
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You can type out "ass" but not "pussy"?
It's good to note that the "get off my lawn" vote is still anyone's to grab.
I call that journalistic sexism.
Maybe it's journalistic preference?
Nick may be an ass-man.
Because all his life people have been saying to him 'You're an ass, man!'?
You would think the Libertarians would have a lock on the "get off my lawn" vote.
That requires people to have actually heard of libertarians before.
And of course they've already forfeited the 'get out of my bakery' vote.
"that doesn't mean we need to join in his downbeat assessment of the current moment."
That's a bit of a crock. He was making specific criticisms. Your making a bit of a straw man post with this comment.
"If there is hope", wrote Nick, "it lies in the millennials."
We could really use some sort of poll about our millennial saviors right about now.
So we're totally screwed.
GBU probably best film he was in? Any contrasting views?
I always had a soft spot for The Gauntlet, despite the Locke problem. Not his best, but a nice post-Watergate riff on police and local corruption.
Unforgiven is cinema gold. Supplanted The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly for me as favorite western.
Your first sentence is 100% correct. My favorite movie.
The Dollar trilogy is classic, can watch those movies over and over and over etc...
Bronco Billy is another favorite, and one of Clint's favorites on his c.v. as well.
HONKYTONK MAN and TIGHTROPE are pretty underrated.
Yes, but ironically that had as much to do with Eli Wallach's performance than anything. A key aspect is that the "ugly" has to be far more sympathetic to the viewer than either the "bad" or the "good" and Wallach nailed it.
It's also quite fun that by far the most honest of the three is the "bad."
Agreed. Wallach made Tuco almost lovable. Who knew that a Jewish guy from NY would make such a believable bandito?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bqcoO1cYU
????
Unforgiven is my favorite, but there are so many to choose from.
Most underrated is probably A Perfect World. Kevin Costner, of all people, is actually terrific in it.
+1 to A Perfect World being criminally underrated.
^ ^ ^ ^
Totally agree, great, great movie.
Costner's best.
Indeed.
Was just talking about Costner's performance in A PERFECT WORLD with some co-workers. The movie came up because the wife and I had just watched CRIMINAL. Silly film. But, there are moments of Costner's acting in it which reminded me of Eastwood's film.
GBU - and the score from Ennio Morricone was quite good too.
Easily one of my top 5 movie scenes ever. Maybe even #1. Though you really should see it in a theater with theater sound.
Yes. Absolutely incredible scene. Wallach running around as a man possessed trying to find Arch Stanton's grave. Music crescendos. Sergio knew what he was doing.
That was the scene that Metallica used to open up their shows for the Black Album. Just as he finds the grave they started the drums for enter Sandman. Unbelievably great scene.
+1 Morricone.
He is a fantastic composer. Yo Yo Ma does a cello version of Ecstasy of Gold that I use when I am deep into code and need to push a couple more hours with no lyrics distracting me.
Also, the commercial with Polamalu and Tomlinson going through their lives of work for that one moment they smash into one another, with the scene cutting to to kids falling to their beds laughing. The remix of Ecstasy that accompanies it is perfect. To that day, that commercial makes...uh...my wife cry, every time.
Well yeah, *any* score from Ennio Morricone is good.
I agree. It runs a bit long, the middle drags, but its still great.
I liked High Plains Drifter a lot.
What's GBU?
^ISLAMIC TERRORIST
Or FBI plant... which is no practical difference.
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
Dude...The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
Guided Bomb Unit?
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly?
God Bless U?
I'm a Pink Cadillac man.
Or maybe the Dirty Harry movie where Jim Carrey plays the 80's rocker and dies immediately.
The Dead Pool. Best work of Carrey's career. Also stars a relatively unknown Liam Neeson as an obnoxious film director.
I love the framing/cinematography in that movie. Few movies are so entertaining and aesthetically pleasing at the same time
Firefox?
Or the episode of Mr. Ed that he was in? (Yes, Clint appeared on Mr. Ed)
I really like "Paint Your Wagon", but not because of Clint.
Cinematic sexism? What the heck is that? Would you think it would have been a better story if the brother gets raped and the sister gets the car?
Obviously.
I thought it was sarcasm.
Was I Poed?
That was a pretty stupid comment. The reason the boy got the car is because he helped Walt with stuff and Walt knew the kid got a woodie whenever he was around the car. That and he was saying fuck you to his son.
I read it as a bit of commentariat-tweaking, but hey, I could be wrong.
It's kind of like "problematic". It means "bad, in an un-PC way, but I don't want to actually use a phrase with a real definition, so that I don't have to defend what I'm saying".
Gran Torino is a great movie.
Agreed. It's my favorite of his, along with Million Dollar Baby.
Mystic River is better than Million Dollar Baby.
I always liked Mystic River too.
Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil is not among his most popular movies, but my partner and I booked tickets to Savannah before we finished the movie.
One of my all time favorites.
Ooh, forgot about that one.
Gran Torino is awesome.
Anything that opens with Clint Eastwood aiming a shotgun and saying "get off my lawn" is awesome.
It wasn't a shotgun, it was an M1 Garand, the greatest battle implement known to man.
Suthen, I respectfully disagree, but not much; I loved me my M14 (and wish fervently that I could afford an M1A).
Without looking it up I disagree. The rifle in the movie appeared to have a built in magazine, not the detachable box mag of the M14...an M1.
I could be wrong, but that is what I remember.
I think he means he disagrees the M1 is the greatest battle implement known to man, not that the rifle Eastwood used wasn't an M1 (and it was indeed an M1 in the movie).
"I'll blow a hole in your face then go inside and sleep like a baby."
Surpased "go ahead, make my day" as the best gun wielding threat in cinema.
In retrospect, I have to say that his "Empty Chair" speech was very insightful and prescient.
It was to subtle for that type of event. On the other hand, if it had been some Left wing actor doing the same improv for John Kerry in 2004, the media would have loved it. It still wouldn't have been that good. But clearly there was a bias to the reporting on it.
But it's the lefties who whine too much.
Wow, Tony said something true for once.
Blind Squirrel.
yeah, that's why i always roll my eyes when i hear that speech criticized.
It was too long. Had it kept it to 2 minutes, it would've worked.
(that the sister gets brutally raped by gang members and the brother gets Walt's prized car in the end is a sign of cinematic sexism, in my opinion)
What the hell?
Can the man not make a joke?
So saying,
Women have always been the primary victims of cinematic depictions of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat on screen. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known with only a camera crew to tell their story. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today's depictions of warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children portrayed by child actors and actresses.
would be misplaced then?
No, I'm saying you CKWs need to stop scouring articles looking for something to be offended by.
No,
OK, good, I got it in the right spot then.
Bingo. It was the sort of subtle prodding guaranteed to inflame the usual suspects around here...and it worked.
So, Critical Theory signalling is something we're just supposed to be okay with and not question its premises. It's the New Normal at Reason.
Do you mean the blatant trolling? With one little comment, Nick can make the usual suspects around here go full-on apoplectic.
Oh fuck me, anybody even remotely normal who watches the film can see that it is in no way 'sexist.' The ending only makes sense in the context of a response to a crime that inspires abject horror in a audience (e.g. a brutal gang rape). And the brother only gets the car because he plainly becomes Eastwood's surrogate son over the course of the film. Switching the roles would erode the credibility of the plot.
What about Nick causes you to give him the benefit of the doubt? Occam's razor. I am going with the simple explanation that Nick is just dumb and too steeped in PC culture to get any smarter over the complex "Nick is just kidding you" theory.
The conflict comes down to those of use who believe our lying eyes and those of you who will construct whatever rationalization is necessary to defend the reason staff.
Your defense of them has now been reduced to "they are just fucking with you and trying to get a rise out of people like you." I like to think of myself as being important but give me a fucking break. Nick isn't writing to get a rise out of the people who comment here. He actually believes this shit.
It's possible that Nick was serious. Admittedly, it's possibly you are right and he's trolling. I mean, the sentence kind of came out of nowhere, which makes me think he was trolling, but, you never know. I demand clarification. Nick, do elucidate on the nature of your remark. Nick? Mr. Gillespie, can you hear me?
It's possible that Nick was serious. Admittedly, it's possibly you are right and he's trolling. I mean, the sentence kind of came out of nowhere, which makes me think he was trolling, but, you never know. I demand clarification. Nick, do elucidate on the nature of your remark. Nick? Mr. Gillespie, can you hear me?
Having the brother gang raped would have been a bizarre choice.
Women have always been the primary victims of cinematic depictions of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat on screen.
I'm sorry, that's just so bone-crushingly stupid that I have to laugh at it.
"Look - that guy got his legs blown off and died screaming in the mud! His poor wife . . . ."
He's paraphrasing Hillary, if you didn't know (and well.) The vile thing actually said that with a straight face.
I guess men are grist that make The Village work...
They do start the wars.
They do start the wars.
After enough nagging at home.
"After enough nagging at home."
Fairly true actually. In WW1 in Britain, feminists actively supported the war and started campaigns to shame men into enlisting, pinning white flowers on any male civilian they saw as a way to tell him he's a pussy for not going to war. Just read about Emmeline and Christabel (her daughter) Pankhurst, England's leading feminists at the time.
But tell us again Tony about how war is an invention of the Patriarchy.
Say what you want about a warmonger who wants war so he can go off to fight in it, he deserves more respect than some bitch who will gladly send men off to die against their will while she gets to sit at home and writes pamphlets about "equality."
*White feather, not flower.
Elizabeth I, Isabella II of Spain, Catherine the Great, and Hillary Clinton: all scions of pacifism.
Also, while you're busy blaming male soldiers for their own deaths, ask yourself if it sounds familiar, like, I don't know, "who cares about black murder victims, it's just them doing it to each other." Introspection, Tony, try it sometimes.
I recognized the variation on the Hillary remark, and gave a variation of my reaction to the Hillary remark.
Fine. Be that way. Poopyhead.
I think he was riffing on Hillary's 1998 gem;
"The experience that you have gone through is in many ways comparable to what happens with domestic violence. Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today's warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children. Women are again the victims in crime and domestic violence as well. Throughout our hemisphere we have an epidemic of violence against women, even though there is no longer any organized warfare that puts women in the direct line of combat...."
REFRESH? NOT ME!
#NeverRefesh
If it was a joke, he should have added an exclamation point.
If it was a joke, he should have added an exclamation point.
If it was a joke, he should have double-posted
If it was a joke, he should have double-posted
The only laughter is that of the squirrelz?
So hard to tell with The Jacket these days.
Reason I back you on a lot but don't you fucking start raw dogging Clint Eastwood. Let the man talk and listen to your elders. Besides I'm a millennial and a pussy so anecdotally he's spot on.
I click this:
I get this:
What I'm trying to say, Gillespie, is that you Jacketed the link.
I'm thinking that Clint is not too popular around Hollywood.
He should make a new film where he visits college campus with one of his grandkids and winds up beating up pajama boy and all his girly boy friends. I'll watch that.
Just wait. It will either be A) Sex-starved heterosexual women goading their pajama boyfriends to get into fights in order to reignite the Flame Imperishable, or B) Lesbians with something to prove emulating the fisticuffery of yore to their gendernonconformist transexual girlfriends.
What a world!
I think after Clint handily dispatches multiple pajama boys in red skinny jeans and hand sewn llama skin shoes, he finally goes up against the alpha SJW, a ginormous butch dyke named Jiggly Puddin Poof.
he finally goes up against the alpha SJW, a ginormous butch dyke named Jiggly Puddin Poof
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he finally goes up against the alpha SJW, a ginormous butch dyke named Jiggly Puddin Poof
And awesomeness ensues...
I always figured she would fight like Kirby by inhaling things like cakes and cookies and dining room sets.
Rainier: My son returns from a fancy east coast college and I'm horrified to find he's a nerd.
Kent: Hahah, I'm laughing already.
Rainier: It's not a comedy.
My impression is that Clint is quite popular there. He makes movies (as a director) non-stop despite his age. In other words, he provides jobs to many people in the industry. He knows everyone. Many things can be written off as eccentricity, if you personally like somebody.
I would imagine the same is true for John Milius, who got plenty of work in Hollywood despite being the embodiment of their cartoonish nightmares of a right-wing gun nut. He hasn't done much in a while but he's also in his 70s now so that might be by his choice.
He had a stroke and couldn't write for a while. He's getting better.
If you haven't already, check out the documentary on Milius, it's really good, really interesting guy.
That's where I heard about the stroke. And seconded here. Great doc.
Difficult to watch his inability to communicate effectively after the stroke.
Watching him at the range, trap shooting, was a big uplift (for me), but damn that earlier part.
Aha. Didn't know that. I'll have to check out the doc.
Wasn't Walter Sobhcak based, at least partly, on him?
Turn in your movies on time and on budget and turn a profit and it dont matter who you are.
Clint consistently does the above.
Amazing how valuable being professional and successful still is, even amongst the shitbag Hollywood crowd.
I'm thinking that Clint is not too popular around Hollywood
He might not get invited to many cocktail parties/Democratic fundraiser events (same diff), especially at his age, but he clearly doesn't have an issue getting his projects green-lit. I'm sure the studio heads are praying he either dies soon or lets loose with a "those tricksy Jews" spiel like Mel Gibson, though.
Speaking of Gibson, "Hacksaw Ridge" has the potential to be a nice comeback vehicle. I don't give a damn if the accuracies are contorted like usual, his historical films are always a blast to watch.
I loved Gibson's performance in The Beaver. Such a weirdly wonderful movie.
Gibson also has friends in Hollywood. Jodie Foster has gone to bat for him as well as Robert Downey Jr.
Even Whopi Goldberg. So he can't be too terribly anti Semitic.
that the sister gets brutally raped by gang members and the brother gets Walt's prized car in the end is a sign of cinematic sexism, in my opinion
Sure. Of course we don't live in an age of hyper-sensitive whinging about idiotic grievance mongering.
Maybe we should give Clint Nick's job. Could only improve Reason.
"Okay, now you bastards go write something marginally intelligent. We'll get the kid with the pretty hair to post it."
+1 Fruit Sushi
I bet Clint would smack the shit out of Sheldon. Chapman too.
One of the dumber things in this article, which manages to miss the entire point of the movie - Clint's journey from racism to laying down his life in order to avenge the rape and protect the family, with his gift of the car being more or less symbolic of what he has given up in order to help people that he used to hate.
Yup. Sorry, but if what you took out of the movie (with all of its reference to other works in Eastwood's career) was "cinematic sexism", well it helps explain the sorry state of the humanities.
For a long time I thought Nick was just a lefty pretending to be a libertarian for a paycheck. Then I thought he was just trolling his readers for page clicks. Now I have come to the conclusion he is just not very bright.
You really have to be a fucking moron to watch that movie and think that it viewed rape as anything but a horror. The entire last 20 minutes are one giant dramatic device to use the viewers outrage over the rape and desire for revenge to make Eastwood's actions taken in response a statement against violence and revenge. And Nick thinks that is sexist?
I really Nick is kind of dumb. Seriously, name one smart thing Nick has ever written? Name a single "wow what a great insight" you can attribute to him. I can't think of one. I would be curious if anyone else can.
Yep, if there's somebody I just knew would fall for that little bit of tweaking and would launch into a full-on 'lookit this stupid cosmo!' diatribe, it was John.
Sure, Nick didn't mean it. He just wrote it to fool people.
Really? That is your defense of him?
And I am still waiting for anyone to come up with anything Nick has ever written that can fairly be described as "insightful".
"Christ, I have more in common with these gooks than my own spoiled rotten family!"
That's the beauty of the film. Racism doesn't really work when you get to know and rely on people who don't look like you.
On wikipedia, they mention one of the critics, some leftist at one of the leftist mags, I forget which one, basically missed the entire point of the film or actually despised it for precisely that reason: the idea that a 'curmudgeonly old racist' could possibly have any decency or could grow as a human being was, in the mind of the critic, offensive. A racist must, without exception, be portrayed as a soulless demon spawned from hell with neither soul nor capacity for reflection, he must be pure evil, and must be punished vicariously in the movie.
Ah, Mark Harris was the name of the critic.
But you can dispute whether or not the character is a racist or a bigot. That's a difference that has been completely obscured over the years.
Boy, if the Jacket thought Gran Torino was cinematic sexism, I hope he never saw High Plains Drifter.
Probably should avoid most all of the Dirty Harry series too. Unless discussions about Title 7, Section 182 Paragraph 1 of the California State Penal Code happen to be his thing.
"Intent? How did you establish that?"
"Well, when a naked man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcher knife and a hard-on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross."
I can't explain why, but Harry's "Get the hell out of my way, hammerhead!" line when he and Gonzalez are cruising around looking for Scorpio has always cracked me up.
The Eiger Sanction is one of my favorites - beautiful in HD - and has some great sexist / racist stuff.
It was pretty faithful to the original book, which was awesome. Trevanian is a criminally under-read author.
George Kennedy, too. Plus, it has a fun, funky 70s orchestra/jazz score by John Williams.
"The individual is more powerful today...than in the past". This seems to assume facts not in evidence. Yes, Snowden's revelations have had far-reaching consequences but Gavrilio Princip started WW1 by that same logic.
Is the everyday joe more powerful? How?
Trouble With the Curve sucked balls.
Nobody bats 1.000
I enjoyed it. But then I have a thing for Amy Adams.
While you can forgive an 86-year-old movie star for glossing over how much things have improved since his early days, that doesn't mean we need to join in his downbeat assessment of the current moment.
Can someone please make a libertarian case for why things are not really downbeat right now that doesn't involve some variation of "but look at all that porn you can get and pot is kind of legal and what about uber?" I would love to hear it. What color is the sky in Nick's world?
Violent crime is pretty darn low, John.
But it was never very high in the first place. And it can be pretty low in very unfree and awful places.
And it can be pretty low in very unfree and awful places.
Astoundingly, jackbootery isn't counted in the violent crime statistics. I bet the violent crime rate in the Philippines is plummeting as we speak.
Unlike in Mr. Eastwood's childhood, you won't get hanged by the neck until dead for wanting a sandwich while black.
The world is more peaceful than it's ever been.
The biggest complaint white conservative morons can come up with is that kids these day say things that annoy them occasionally?
Unlike in Mr. Eastwood's childhood, you won't get hanged by the neck until dead for wanting a sandwich while black.
"FUCK YOU, DAAAAAAAAD!"
I was unaware of hundreds of lynchings in Eastwood's home state of California for sandwich ordering. Particularly considering that the mid-1930s was when the massive decline in lynchings began. And OT, but what the hell were you Americans up to in the 1880s?
A whole lot of hangings, apparently.
Thanks for the link. That's actually interesting to look at, seeing how, after 1900, lynchings mostly stopped with white victims.
It looks like White Americans were getting their shit together, if 1885-1886 is an indicator.
Or, maybe the answer should be, "Not much, after mid-decade".
/cinematic racism
So, you admit than rise of free trade, increased economic freedom, decline in the power of unions to smother the labor market and the increased international trade resulting from the collapse of socialism worldwide were a boon for society? I agree. The prosperity has been marvelous. The middle class is shrinking as more and more people are 'upper class' than ever, and contrary to leftist myths, total compensation has kept pace with productivity, long run unemployment rates have declined, people have more free time thanks to labor saving devices developed by the evil corporations, even the rising healthcare costs are due largely to the unprecedented rise in the quality of medical care.
I'm glad you have finally realized that all the leftist apocalyptic hand-wringing about 1%ers emiserating the proletariat and longing for a return to the days of the Johnson administration is all a bunch of horse shit.
No, the neoliberal upward wealth transfer and destruction of unions has helped to stall all progress due to a fruitful collaboration between commerce and government that created the biggest innovations and greatest increase in quality of living in history by far. Your experiment was a failure. But since you don't believe in evidence, that doesn't matter to you.
"neoliberal upward wealth transfer "
Ah, another one of those things no progressive can actually prove occurred, but insist on believing anyways.
"fruitful collaboration between commerce and government that created the biggest innovations and greatest increase in quality of living in history by far"
Really? Government invented the three field crop rotation? The spinning jenny? Progress in healthcare technology and pharmaceuticals has been incredible the last 40 years. And while it has slowed to a halt in Europe, where government price controls and other 'cooperation' is common, in the US it has continued unabated.
"Your experiment was a failure. But since you don't believe in evidence, that doesn't matter to you."
Actually, by your own admission it was an abject success. You can't sit here and tell us all we're more prosperous than we've ever been while in the same breath insisting that four decades of 'neoliberalism' (nice that you at least admit who the real liberals are though) have ravaged the economy.
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You have not produced a shred of evidence that the economy has declined in any meaningful way during this 'neoliberal revolution.' I explained to you, real worker compensation, life epectancy, standard of living, all up during this era of neoliberal destruction. You have no case Tony. You're just like the Trumpists. You drivel on about your inklings about how much better things were in the 70s when unemployment was in double digits and inflation out of control and oil prices were sky high. But the numbers are clear.
http://www.wsj.com/news/articl.....reno64-wsj
Face it, you leftists are in the same boat as the Donald with your apocalyptic fantasies. You may as well be some Russian Putinist reminiscing about the glory days before the Berlin Wall came down and capitalism took your government job handing out bread to peasants.
Tony belongs on a blacklist just like every other lousy Marxist.
GDP PPP is pretty high.
Not as high as it should be, if we had grown an additional 1% per year the last 50 years.
The problem with this attitude, and it gets increasingly ridiculous with each passing day, is that there is without question nobody whinier and more entitled than the Trump demographic. They just whine in a tank top and stupid hat and for some reason that makes it okay.
Stop whining, Tony.
Hacker.
Holy shit an actual TONY comment? FIRST!
there is without question nobody whinier and more entitled than the Trump demographic
The truly startling thing, I believe, to most people about the Trumpelos is that they are taking the rulebook used by the progs, and adopting it as their own. They are acting exactly as they have been trained to act by left wing activists. If they are whiny and entitled, its because they've watched that act be rewarded for quite some time now, when its done by the Right People, of course.
And people are horrified. Gosh, who knew you'd get more of what you reward, and that you might reap what you sow?
No, that's idiotic. I get that you can't make it through a sentence without blaming something on "the progs." But what's actually going on is cultural misogyny. See, even though Trump and his mouth-breathing followers do nothing but whine all the time, it's not "being a pussy" or other such crimes against decency like those dirty progs commit. As I said, they do it in sweaty tank tops and trucker hats, so their whining is the masculine, good kind, not the pussy kind, which people do in flannel pajamas and such.
Oh...you are wearing flannel pajamas.
Aaand, Tony completely misses the point. Again. To no one's surprise.
The point is the same as always: progs did it. It's ridiculous.
You know as well as I how apeshit the mouth-breathers went over that flannel pajama guy. Like, they still talk about it. But he's the pussy who can't handle the difficulties of life.
The point is the same as always: progs did it.
Did you miss the part where I said that the Trumpelos (not the progs) do it because the progs have been so successful with it (which is a compliment to the progs)?
Yes, yes you did.
As a prog I assure you that the Trumpites have not been consulting us for political strategy, and we haven't been instructing them that to get their way they must shout racist epithets and act like cousin-fucking morons.
Racism = BAD!!!
Cultural Elitism = DOUBLEPLUSGOOD!!!
/Guess Tone-Deaf is upset that close-relative offspring aren't being represented accurately by his political opponents
Prog political strategy? Is that like rubbing a stuffed Pokemon toy on your genitals whenever threatened?
Nobody is retroactively giving you credit for civil rights 50 years later, so better enjoy Mr. Pokemon's soft fabric on your tiny bits, because that's the only satisfaction you'll ever be getting.
You guys shout racist epithets all the time? Ever seen a BLM rally? Or any leftist gathering on a college campus these days for that matter? Racism and sexism are par for the course. Yes, they learn from watching you.
Btw, explain to me why you're not a bigot for calling them
Cousin fuckers but the use of the word 'thug' to describe a black person is racist. Or or, let me guess: it's ok when you do it.
And btw West Virginia is a blue state so the cousin fuckers are in your tent buddy.
So you are saying my post try to explain what I thought you were saying was basically a giant waste of time. Ah, crap.
FTFY
Not to split semantic hairs but "adopting" is different than "blaming." RC Dean simply observes the economic axiom about incentives. Acting "whiny" and "entitled" seems to get better results than acting stoic and self-sacrificing. I suspect that's why some Christians whine about the "war" on Christmas and being treated like a minority. The change isn't really about manly whining versus womanly whining. It's really just that in some cultures, what I read as whining is more seen as morally justified outrage. I hear a dog whining while the can of dog food is being opened. Someone else hears a morally justified outrage by the dog as I deprive it of a meal it is owed #HumanPrivilege.
Complaining about black people being shot by cops is justified outrage. Complaining that you can't say nigger in polite company anymore is whining. But somehow this gets reversed in Trumpland.
Tony using the term 'black people' is just about the oldest and most racist thing you can call someone. Nobody is black, nobody has black skin and black lives don't exist.
Segregating some people with brown skin into a group and then collectively labeling them 'black' is more fundamentally bigoted and stupid than anything else in American culture.
Buy some crayons and learn about basic colors, you triple redundant, racist progressive dipshit.
Racist cousin-fucking redneck asshole morons coopting the term "racist" to further their racist bullshit is truly amusing.
Sure, because progs gained their reputation for whininess due to stopping police brutality. Nor for, you know, coining the term "microaggression" to turn offenses so tiny and petty they might not have actually even happened into the fucking Trail of Tears (I would say the Holocaust, but I don't think the left believes in that anymore). Or mewling because someone didn't use a word you made up to refer to the gender you decided you were that week. Yes, it's all pitbulls and firehoses for you brave champions of justice.
And conservatives are just whining about not being able to call people racial slurs, not things like the IRS singling out groups belonging to the ruling party's political opposition and putting their applications put on the backburner to render them unable to participate in an upcoming election. You know, just little things that effectively make half the country second-class citizens and threaten the foundations of liberal democracy.
Whine some more, bitch. The Vast Left-wing Conspiracy murdered liberal democracy, and if Trump does come to power, playing Weekend at Bernie's with the constitution isn't going to protect them. I will just laugh and laugh, and when they come for me, there will be no one left to laugh.
But Complaining about white people being shot by cops is white privileges and complaining about white people being shot by black people is racist? Gotcha.
File this under: "Posts drafted when commentator has experienced < 3 Tony posts"
"cultural misogyny"
If insulting Rosie O'Donnell and Megyn Kelly is "cultural misogyny", then what is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDjUjhexTQk
Cultural misandry? Do we get a safe space? A cabinet level adviser? Hmm? Or, as with everything else, is it another case of 'but when it happens to you, it's no big deal?'
And note, I loathe Trump, but when you idiots ramble about the 'misogyny' of women having too many shampoo options or whatever, you just make yourselves into a joke. Grow up, find something real to worry about.
The truly startling thing, I believe, to most people about the Trumpelos is that they are taking the rulebook used by the progs, and adopting it as their own.
Maybe that's because they are the same people. They're union labor, dummy. They wrote that rulebook to begin with. SJWs and Trumpalos are bastard cousins of the same grandparents.
Not to defend Tony, of all people, but there is more than a kernel of truth in what he's saying here -- I think that while you're correct in noting that society has incentivized this sort of whiny behavior in politics, it cannot be blamed on 'the progs,' nor is it rooted in/a unique tendency of the left. As Hazel and another fellow point out below, the whining is endemic to the right as well, among both the blue-collar union labor types and the perpetually aggrieved socons -- and they've been using that schtick long before the rise of Trump, no 'leftist playbook' necessary.
You are absolutely right, but it cuts both ways. Yes, people complain more than ever about trivial things today, that's in part because things are so much better than they use to be,so now most people have only trivial things to complain about.
But this phenomenon is *nowhere* more evident than among the SJWs Tony is defending. Feminists complaining about mansplaining, manspreading, 'manslamming' (none of which has ever been demonstrated to actually be a real thing, note), purporting to have PTSD from hearing a speech by Christina Sommers? Black activists flipping their shit over the absence of black oscar nominees this year (never mind that in the past 205 years, blacks have actually been slightly overrepresented on average among Oscar nominees)?
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Protesting because the government won't pay their college debt for a degree they chose that apparently didn't train them for a single marketable job? Demands that the taxpayers pay for their birth control? Running faculty members off campus and demanding unprecedented national reforms in the education system because administrators "didn't do enough"... to respond to an alleged poop swastika drawn on the bathroom floor? The far left's agenda in this country is nothing more today than a bunch of entitled douche bags who have basically had wrack their brains to find something to get upset about, to fabricate some enemy (males, white people, the Koch bros, Wal-mart, whatever) to justify playing their little make believe reenactment of 1968. It's beyond pathetic. How Tony even Tony can sympathize with it is strange. He's an old fellow I though, he should at least be able to recall a time when people could at least justifiably complain about something as tangible as having to wait in line for gas.
"WE LEARNED IT FROM YOU, DAAAAAAAAAD!"
There are no bigger crybabies than progressives. Nashville, hyperbolic, and venomous, the lot of them.
There are no bigger crybabies than progressives. Nashville, hyperbolic, and venomous, the lot of them.
'Shrill', not 'Nashiville'. Fucking autocorrect is in full retard mode tonight. Just like Tony.
I always liked Eastwood. Had to be a reason. I am reading this and thinking it could be an interview of me.
And FFS Gillespie, go eat a quinoa muffin.
But we are so much more polite now Suthenboy. Just ignore the fact that you no longer have any privacy, nearly everyone in America commits a felony at least once a day, you can be fired from your job or have your life ruined by a mob for using the wrong word or holding an unpopular opinion. None of that matters because everyone is so polite now.
And look at all that porn and how cool is UBER!!
You really can't satirize Nick at this point.
"(that the sister gets brutally raped by gang members and the brother gets Walt's prized car in the end is a sign of cinematic sexism, in my opinion)."
And some tofu.
And FFS Gillespie, go eat a quinoa muffin.
He'll have to eat more than that after watching this cinematic vintage Eastwood bad-assery.
And then when I did Gran Torino, even my associate said, "This is a really good script, but it's politically incorrect."
Gran Torino was not politically incorrect.
It wasn't specifically politically correct either. It struck a nearly perfect balance of ethnic honesty, compassion, and inclusiveness.
Whoever thought it was politically incorrect is the sort of person who can't see anything other that superficial resemblances to certain tropes and stereotypes. Superficially, maybe Eastwoods character is a "white savior". But only if you don't actually read the script.
Gran Torino was not politically incorrect.
The protagonist starts out saying some pretty racist things. I suspect that's what drew the comment.
Yeah, again, it's un-PC only if you don't bother to actually read the script.
Like saying that American History X is racist because the lead character has swastika tattoos.
I just saw that film this weekend. Norton was fantastic playing three distinctly different versions of his character.
Sadly, there are some people (including movie critics) who literally believe that any character occurring in film or television shown to have any racist tendencies at all at any point (unless of course they're racist against white people, that's ok), they must be portrayed as irreparably evil. Mark Harris at Entertainment Magazine criticized Gran Torino for precisely this reason basically.
You are absolutely right Hazel. What is sad is that in Nick and a lot of other people's minds the movie was politically incorrect for the mere fact that it used bad words. We have reached the point in this society where words have become to many people magic. To these people it doesn't matter that the larger point of the movie is as you describe it and anything but politically incorrect. All that matters is the magic words were spoken.
It is kind of scary when you realize that is pretty much how a lot of people think.
In Dirty Harry, the TV people cut when DeGiorgio says Harry doesn't play favorites and then spouts off a list of racial slurs. Seriously, grow a set, people.
It's also a generation of pussy commenters.
Pussy commenters, but not pussy.
Pretty sure Nick was joking (at least half-joking) about the sexism thing.
Ok, women getting gang-raped is a trope. Of a certain type of film. This isn't that type of film. It's a character drama, not an action movie. Eastwood doesn't swoop in to kill all the gang-members in a hail of bullets while rescuing the fair maiden.
I can't read his mind. So maybe he was. If it was a joke, it was a pretty stupid and pointless one.
And yes gang rapes are a trope. The ending of the movie wouldn't work without something truly shocking. Further, since the whole point of the ending is that the Eastwood character dies so that the two kids can have a future, you can't have the crime that gets the audience so worked up for the ending be murder. So really it had to be a gang rape. That is the only crime other than murder that is shocking and enraging enough to properly set up the ending.
If it was a joke, it was a pretty stupid and pointless one.
If it was a joke, he should've made it while putting ketchup on a hotdog or something.
No, I don't think Beta-Male Gillespie was joking, TBH. I think he suffers from a lack hypocalcemia and Low T, judging by his flabbiness and terrible posture, a la that Dowager's Hump he's developing ('twas apparent from those Reason Live Streams - even my wife, Dr. ZG, commented on it).
Ok, women getting gang-raped is a trope. Of a certain type of film. This isn't that type of film. It's a character drama, not an action movie.
Not really, Hazel. Rape as Drama is the trope itself, with a slew of subtropes, so you may want to clarify that statement. Gang rape, in of itself when featured in media, is almost always played straight and for dramatic purposes.
Warning: TV Tropes may cause you to lose the weekend, without the benefit of benzos and booze.
I had a conversation with a few people this week in which they expressed fear at the very mention of the word 'nigger' (everyone present was white, too). At this point, nigger must be the most powerful word in the English language, with the possible exception of certain proper nouns.
What moment would that be?
The Libertarian Moment?
Not one mention of Escape From Alcatraz? Disgusting.
Nor your totes fav, Bridges of Madison County.
Don't be such a pussy commenter.
I heard Wolf's looking for a new punk, Crusty.
I wish people would stop using Birmingham, Alabama in 1955 as the standard "past" which the present must always be compared to. All of the real nastiness of that was over by the late 70s. I don't know where Nick grew up but where I grew up in the 80s and 90s, the country was by any objective measure a hell of a lot more free than it is today. It is utterly remarkable how quickly people's freedom to think and speak has eroded. Positions that were totally mainstream not 20 years ago are today almost impossible to hold publicly. I guess Nick thinks things are more free because for someone like him who only holds fashionable opinions and is always happy to bend them to suite popular opinion, things really haven't changed. For the rest of us, not so much.
I also think Gillespie and O'Rourke must've grown up in a neighborhood full of assholes. Because I remember people actually knowing their neighbors and stuff back then.
That or maybe the neighbors did know each other and Nick and O'Rourke were just assholes that no one wanted to hang around with. I am kind of betting on that.
From The Department of Purity and Sniffing Out Dead Rats -
All libertarian and stuff until your ox is to be gored...
No one ever claimed he was a Libertarian. You don't have to be a Libertarian to be for free expression.
Government funded arts is free expression? I'd think YOU'D be completely against publicly funded arts by default. I don't care if people want to take pictures of turds in a toilet bowl, or make movies with bias, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be Forced to pay for it.
And as for being a libertarian, the article states his SON said as much.
I am against that. But that doesn't mean I can't agree with Eastwood here. And as far as Eastwood being a Libertarian, maybe you should look into getting his Libertarian union card pulled or something.
Regardless, I really don't see what he support of the UK Film Commission has anything to do with the subject of this post.
John, go watch anything from Uwe Boll.
Government funded.
"I'd say get to work and start being more understanding of everybody?instead of calling everybody names, start being more understanding. But get in there and get it done. Kick ass and take names. And this may be my dad talking, but don't spend what you don't have."
Uhhh, actually this sounds like pretty damn good advice to me, personally. Get of your mother's basement, kid. Learn some skills. Get a job. Learn to take care of yourself. Get your head out of your iPhone once in a while, maybe even talk to someone of the opposite sex and possibly even start a relationship! I saw a story just a couple of days ago that "Millennials" are having less sex than any generation ever. Gee, I wonder why that is? Oh right, it's because little 30 year old Bobby is living with mommy and playing video games all day long now instead of getting out there and living a life.
In a nutshell, Eastwood is a real man, and Gillespie is pathetic. Why does Nick want to enable people to be complete losers? There's absolutely nothing good or healthy about spending your entire life as a loser in mommy's basement!
Lives in DC. I attribute much of the out-of-touch vibe from Reason writers to their DC, LA, NYC addresses.
Reason has gotten heavily sissified and seems more like guys wanting approval from the DC smart set than anything else. Guys who are more into the concept of smoking weed than actually smoking it. Rocking a Fonzi jacket and praising free trade and immigration apparently is libertarianism these days.
People aren't choosing to live in mommy's basement. A generation of trickle-down economics means they can't afford to buy shit.
If only we could get a Democratic elected it would get fixed!
Democrats have had exactly 4 years of control of all branches of government since 1980. You can blame the stuff the president has control over on the president.
-10,000,000 "political self-interest" 🙁
I bet that doesn't stop you from giving Clinton credit for "his" surplus that the GOP congress forced upon him by refusing to let him spend as much as he wanted. Also, as they say, all politics is local. Plenty of places where Dems have controlled the mayorship and city council for half a century straight have yet to find the panacea. But GO TEAM BLUE!
BS, you can afford to live out of your parents house, but you may need this thing called 'roommates'. I share a house with 2 other people and it's fine, and i moved out after school when i could barely afford sharing an appt.
life has this thing called 'choices'... my cousin is too spoiled and doesnt want roommates - she wants to live on her own but can't afford it... so wah freakin wah. People live at home more because stupid parents allow for it, or they don't want their precious angel to get away, so they bribe them with living at home rent free or much cheaper rent.
Did trickle-down economics cause the cost of health insurance to skyrocket over the last few years? No, government fuckery did, and you can apply that same lesson to everything else, including labor, which is why so many poor fuckers are out of work. Nuke Washington, and the red state economies will come roaring back.
I thought you admitted that things were better today though above?
Produce for me some evidence that young people today are poorer than a generation ago, Tony? Because you and I both know that's not true. Real income, employment rate, quality of life, all up since the 70s.
Housing prices have gone up since then, that's true. But guess where they have gone up the least? Texas. Because cities like Dallas don't have all the cumbersome land use regulations and rent controls that Dem cities like San Francisco, DC, and Boston have. If you want to blame someone for people's inability to afford their own place to live, you can't blame stagnant wages (because wages haven't been remotely stagnant). Blame the (mostly Democrat-dominated) municipal city councils, mayors, and planning commissions of America's most prestigious metropolises.
"Chesty Puller, a great Marine general,..."
Well that's not quite the direction I expected that to go.
Chest Rockwell direction?
No dead Japs or Commies at the end of the story?
Scott Eastwood is Edward Snowden? I thought JGL was.
Speaking of pussies....sheesh.
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I'm just going to say it, the ending of Gran Torino was stupid. (spoilers ahead, you have been warned).
When organized criminals publicly kill someone, it doesn't give other people the courage they need to stand up to them, it reminds them exactly why they keep their mouths shut.
Doubt the cops look the other way when a lily-white 80 year old veteran gets shot up. The gang members end up in lockup for a long time (or death penatly?), and the cousin's Hmong family can live in a little more peace than they did before.
Clint's impersonation of libertarians is all hat and no cattle.
if you pay attention on social media, this interview is proof that clint eastwood is a racist bigot. in other words, the critics of the interview are sort of proving his point about a lot of things.
Plus, we've got South Park
Reason Mag in general and Nick Gillespie in particular in a nutshell. Absolutely perfect. This should really replace "free minds and free markets" as the tagline.
I feel sad inside that no one even have Heartbreak Ridge a mention. I blame Tony for hijacking the post with this drivel.
The cult I'm part of still references this movie, and since millennials are part of this cult Nick should endorse HBR.
Gave ... National IPA Day and an iPhone got the better of me.
Tough guy Dirty Harry joins the chorus of victim-playing, wolf-crying, cry-bully conservatives with their knickers in a twist because it offends them when people call out racism and bigotry. Clearly we must coddle these conservative cry-babies by making the whole country a "safe space" where no one can ever criticize them for anything. Talk about pussies!
As he himself says: "Just fucking get over it."
Ladies and gentlemen, I present the new Tony. Tony, step aside, you've been outdone.
Welcome Dan. I'd like to inform you that we here have the utmost sympathy for people with your condition.
I don't care for this article's point: Eastwood is not too "downbeat" or guilty of "writing off an entire generation." He's expressing his dissatisfaction (like mine) with today's speech police.
For those who love FREEDOM of speech Eastwood's comments deserve unreserved praise.
Nick's anti-Trump bias permeates his work for the past year and (yawn) is turning him into a crashing bore.
Talk is cheap. Votes are what count.
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot deserves a mention here. Also, Eastwood is correct, but fear not millennials. Your children will be the pussiest generation just by virtue of being your offspring! And you'll be whining to them about how you had to use your actual fingers to play video games way back in your pussy generation's day. Pussies!
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