Libya

U.S. Airstrikes in Libya Target ISIS

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The United States conducted airstrikes against Islamic State (ISIS) targets in Libya, the Pentagon announced today, saying the "precision airstrikes" came at the request of the Libyan national government and were authorized by President Obama based on a recommendation from Defense Secretary Ashton Carter and Gen. Joe Dunford, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff.

The strikes, which targeted Sirte, where ISIS has gained a foothold over the last year, were "consistent with our approach to combating ISIL by working with capable and motivated local forces," according to the defense press secretary, who insisted the strikes would enable the Libyan government "to make a decisive, strategic advance."

The Obama administration, when it bothers to, argues U.S. operations against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan and Libya and against affiliates like Boko Haram in West Africa fall under the 2011 authorization of the use of military force (AUMF) against terrorist groups associated with the perpetrators of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, was among lawmakers last December who introduced an AUMF that specifically targeted ISIS. Such an authorization for the use of military is not among Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton's "military and defense" issues. Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump said he supported the idea of a congressional declaration of war against ISIS, and of using NATO to fight it, although he's also suggested evaluating U.S. obligations to NATO while Russia invades the Baltics. Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson has described himself as a "skeptic" of intervention who would involve Congress in the decision-making process. Congress passed the post-9/11 AUMF by a vote of 420-1, with only Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) voting against it.

The U.S. has been considering "military options" to stem the rise of ISIS in Libya since at least January.

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  1. Anyone remember back when Libya wasn’t causing us any problems? Right before we fixed it?

    Reminds me of the flowchart the engineers had up on a wall at a company I used to work for.

    The first symbol was ‘Is it broken?’, with the no path leading to a final symbol ‘Don’t fix it’.

    Maybe politicians should get one of those charts.

    1. You mean back when Qaddafi was disarming his regime per instructions? Good thing he cooperated, huh? There’s a lesson in there for brutal dictators around the world, somewhere . . .

    2. On a politician’s chart, the first symbol wouldn’t be ‘Is it broken?’

      It would be ‘How much of a crisis is it?’

  2. Is there an election coming up or something?

  3. I’m so sick of ISIS I actually say let them form a country. Let them take over Syria. Let them start struggling with all the mundane crap of actually running a state, then open negotiations with them. If after that they continue to be a sponsor of terrorism against the west, declare war-war on them old school style.

    This whack-a-mole shit is going to do nothing.

    1. That doesn’t fit into the plan. How can we save the sheeples if they aren’t frightened of something?

      1. That doesn’t fit into the plan. How can we save the sheeples if they aren’t frightened of something?

        ^ This.

        The stated plan so far has essentially been “strike them here and there, to annoy them, but do not make efforts to destroy them.”

        Worst of all possible plans if the goal is anything other than perpetual war and terror.

    2. Like progs, they don’t want their own country they just want to fuck up everyone else’s

  4. So if a government asks us to bomb their country, we will? I’m so glad Hillary will put an end to this. If only she stayed as Secretary of State for longer, then this wouldn’t be a problem.

    1. So, does she get a Nobel Peace Prize on inauguration day or will it be after she achieves peace in the middle east and saves American women from slavery?

    2. To be fair, I’m not sure anyone is under the delusion that Hillary is some kind of dove. Even the anti-warriors at the DNC were shouted down by the partisan loyalists.

      1. And were rumoured to have received a powerpoint demonstration on how to do so.

        1. USA! USA! USA!

      2. Someone should have shown up with a boom box and started blasting “America, Fuck Yeah!”

    3. It’s still amazing that pro-Hillary folks continue to cite her support for the original Libyan intervention as one of her accomplishments that qualify her for the presidency.

      1. The list of her accomplishments is very, very short. What are they gonna do?

        1. Very, very short? Au contraire…

          http://whatthefuckhashillarydone.com/

          1. I stand corrected. I wonder who designed her coat?

    4. So if a government asks us to bomb their country, we will?

      Apparently. And doing so isn’t even an act of war that requires Congressional approval.

      Now, attacking Khaddafy – that was an act of war, because we attacked the Libyan government (war being a state of armed conflict between two sovereigns). Putting down a peasant rebellion, by contrast, is not war.

  5. Are we winning in Libya yet?

    1. We won, but we’re really sore winners.

        1. And only a week after Trumpitler was nominated!

          Imagine how tired of winning you will be after he wins!

  6. RE: U.S. Airstrikes in Libya Target ISIS

    Nice.
    Now those bastards in ISIS will think twice about using airstrikes against the USA again.

    1. I feel safer already!

  7. Is there anything President Peace Prize has done that did not turn out to be an unmitigated disaster?

    1. Only the things that he couldn’t get done.

      1. In fairness I can think of one thing. He made the cigarette companies stop putting catalysts in cigarettes that kept them burning.

        One. Thing.

        Again, anyone who voted for the POS, fuck you and welcome to post-racial America.

        1. He also rappelled out of an invisible helicopter and broke Bin Laden’s face with his fist.

        2. That choice should’ve been left up to smokers.

          1. There have have been plenty of house fires from cigarettes where the non-smoker kids died. First I’ve heard of this catalyst issue but if it kept the cig burning after you attempted to put it out that potentially impacts more than just the smokers. If everyone knows about it that might be different, but I smoked for almost 30 years and I never had heard about that.

            1. There have have been plenty of house fires from cigarettes where the non-smoker kids died.

              And how do we know they were non-smokers?

              I hadn’t heard of the catalyst thing, either. The issue, as I recall, wasn’t that cigarettes would burn after somebody tried to put it out, but that they would burn without somebody periodically puffing on them.

              Will a cigarette still burn down to the filter in an ashtray? If so, I don’t know that the fire hazard has been reduced.

              1. Will a cigarette still burn down to the filter in an ashtray?

                Who is crazy enough to pay fifty cents for a cigarette, only to let it burn down in the tray?

                And the answer is: me, in the interest of science. So for the record, I just sat here and watched a kool burn itself from tip to filter in the tray.

                Not that they didn’t accomplish something: the treatment seems to make the things burn somehow differently anyway, such that from time to time, a nice chunk of cherry will just decide to drop off and end up in your lap. Something similar will often happen when you try to ash; you’ll lose not only the ash, but the whole cherry. Not that similar couldn’t happen before, but my recollection is that it got worse after the change. So as I say, they burn differently; maybe more cigar-like… I’m not sure how to describe it.

            2. To clarify, I’m not sure if Suthenboy is referring to the same thing I am, which is the so-called “FSC” (Fire Safe Cigarette, see here); as described there, I’ve understood these to involve the addition of fire-retardants, not the removal of catalysts (in a cursory search, I found reference to no such thing).

              If you were smoking during the introduction of them, you’d know that it affected the flavor, at least if it was implemented similarly in your state, to how it was in mine. And if you smoked for 30 years, I think you’ll likely understand exactly how this would not be welcomed by many smokers.

              But all that side, if you want to burn your house and kids down with your cigarette, that’s on you, not on whoever sold you the cigarette, or on the state.

          2. To be fair, Obama is a smoker.

            1. Touche.

              (and wtf squirrelz, no accented characters?)

  8. Which one of you big boys is gonna protect me from them terrists?

    1. Tell us again how the Dem convention is going to go off without a hitch, with everyone on the same page in support of Cankles.

      1. The Dem convention went off without a hitch, with everyone on the same page in support of Cankles.

        1. USA! USA! USA!

          1. I found the “No more war!” chants to be very gratifying. Things are changing. Although Cankles is a neocon, she is on the verge of a new awareness about the futility of war.

            1. Especially precious was the look on the general’s face when he realized the “USA! USA! USA!” chanting was failing to drown out the “No More Wars!” chanting.

              she is on the verge of a new awareness about the futility of war

              No, she isn’t. She’s busy turning the Democrats back into a more full-throated party of Team America World Police. She is not “evolving” – she knows exactly what she’s doing.

              1. I disagree. But I like the way you think.

            2. People have been chanting “No more war” for the better part of 50 years. The Democrat’s 1968 convention comes to mind.

            3. Although Cankles is a neocon, she is on the verge of a new awareness about the futility of war.

              There aren’t enough bridges in the world for me to sell you before I would exhaust the amount of gullibility you have. Hell, it’s not even truly gullibility, because no one’s even trying to convince you of this delusion. You just invented it out of whole cloth.

              1. If four days of pants-jizzing jingoistic patriotism accented by generals and Gold Star families screaming emotionally at the audience isn’t sufficient proof of a turn away from militarism, I just don’t know what is.

        2. Yeah, nothing says “went off without a hitch” like @ 1,000 delegates walking out and/or protesting for the entire convention.

      2. I was assured by one of my historian friends that the Dem convention was the most well-run convention in the history of the republic.

        Literally, he cited the 175 years of convention history and said it was the best of all of them.

        1. Well, about 1/3 of the convention walked out, so there were fewer people to serve. No wonder things went so well!

          1. The walls & barricades helped. Consensus isn’t hard when you know how to do it.

  9. The Obama administration, when it bothers to, argues U.S. operations against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan and Libya and against affiliates like Boko Haram in West Africa fall under the 2011 authorization of the use of military force (AUMF) against terrorist groups associated with the perpetrators of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

    You spelled “Commerce Clause” wrong.

    Ah, the good ‘ol blank gubmint check. It’s the gift that never stops giving.

  10. Reason needs to end its policy of providing safe spaces for trolls online. That’s the real threat facing this country.

    1. And an edit button goddammit!

    2. Clearly addiction is a myth, because you’re off your meds again.

      1. The irony being that most people who diagnose me with mental illness or ‘chemical imbalance’ find themselves staring at padded walls the next day. Well, at least you can thank Obama for mental health ‘parity’.

        1. most people who diagnose me with mental illness or ‘chemical imbalance’ find themselves staring at padded walls the next day

          shitthatneverhappened.txt

          1. Oh you have internet privileges today? Glad to see you’re making progress. Keep up the good work!

            1. Oh, good. You’re in the “repeat shit somebody once said to me” phase.

              1. Sit and talk with me, kb. Tell me what’s on your mind:

      2. Yep, Weigel is a severely mentally ill little cretin. He openly admitted it a couple of years ago.

        1. Oh boy, can we please have a Mike M. vs. dajjal tard-off? Flipper arms windmilling, drool flying everywhere. Mikey’s extra chromosome lends him enough strength that he slaps the strabismus right off of dajjal’s face. Both go home crying.

          1. Hey big boy you seem like a real tough cookie. Will you protect me from them scary terrists?

  11. Where’s Franky today? Oh.

  12. It doesn’t matter whether the forces are “capable and motivated”. The only thing that matters is whether they believe in freedom of speech and religion (note I didn’t say ‘democracy’). This can be judged based on what they teach their children. If they don’t pass the test, then we should not be involved. “Oh, I didn’t know that by bombing ‘ISIS’ we were paving the way for an actual Shariah-based Caliphate.”

    1. “Oh, I didn’t know that by bombing ‘ISIS’ we were paving the way for an actual Shariah-based Caliphate.”

      ? Hypothetical President Hilllary Clinton

      1. “Of course I knew that by bombing ‘ISIS’ we were paving the way for an actual Shariah-based Caliphate.”

        ? Hypothetical President Don Trump

        1. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Just roll with it.

          1. Talk to me, kb. I sense that something is troubling you:

  13. Enough about war, here’s something truly disturbing:

    Provocative Mural of Hillary Clinton Goes Viral

    1. Fuck, dude! I threw up and it came out my nose!

      1. These euphemisms…

      2. I didn’t want anybody to be deprived of a first-class vomiting opportunity…

        If you only looked at the first pic, scroll down, it gets better (or worse, depending on your value system).

    2. I want that mural in a museum in the year 2800 as one of the few remaining pieces of American art that survived the Great Decline. I think it would perfectly sum up on the horrors of late American aesthetic abortions.

      “Well, fuck, I’m glad they all died of super-AIDS.”

      1. Ah, nevermind, it’s Australian. They’re just going to be eaten by gengineered koala bears anyway.

  14. Hmmm. Iraq’s nuke program was removed by the West (USA + toadies), followed by removal of the regime itself – ostensibly because nuclear program. Libya got rid of their nuclear program all by themselves. Then regime was removed by the West anyways, for shits and giggles.

    But all the naughty regimes with nuclear weapons or active nuclear weapon ‘programs’ are still there. Don’t think we’re sending the right message.

    Reminds me of gun ‘control’ and the inevitable results, but among nations.

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