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My Warm Welcome from the GOP Convention Cops

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My first day at the GOP convention in Cleveland involved being detained for two hours by Secret Service and issued a misdemeanor citation for trespassing. Not an auspicious start! Perhaps most disappointingly, not something that necessarily makes a good story, either. The Cleveland police and Secret Service agents we dealt with were mostly very nice. They gave us bottles of water and decided not to press federal charges. We got a cool golf-cart escort out of the convention's restricted perimeters. We didn't get shot. 

That's the part I couldn't stop thinking about. Our trespassing was totally accidental—trying to park a reasonable distance from the melee and walk into downtown Cleveland, a colleague (who will, at her request, remain unnamed) and I took a wrong turn and found ourselves confronted by either railroad tracks or stairs. We took the stairs. At the top, behind a fence with plenty of room for us to walk right through the gap between it and a wall, we saw several construction workers driving tractors. We thought we'd ask them for directions. We thought we were in an area on both the border of downtown Cleveland and outside of the restricted convention parameters

We weren't. 

By the time we had reached the men on the tractors—who had seemed to be the sole occupants of the area we were entering—we were swarmed by several Secret Service agents bearing rifles. I ran up to them to try and explain. I didn't raise my arms. I didn't make any moves to prove I was non-threatening. Nobody raised their guns.

The worst I got was an obnoxiously gruff and sarcastic Secret Service agent who kept trying to tell me I was "changing my story," which I absolutely was not, he just refused to actually listen. "I want to talk to someone else," I said, and walked away from him toward another agent. Nobody raised their guns. The gruff agent moved on to my less temperamental colleague, and the agent I moved on to was super chill and nice. We ended up joking about the bad convention band playing classic-rock covers loudly across the street, and discussing Donald Trump and our favorite restaurants in Brooklyn. Later, one cop told us this was the most action he'd seen all day. 

By the end of the two hours, any of my initial anger at the situation had faded; while we hadn't meant to, we had totally trespassed. As soon as law enforcement had ascertained that we weren't a threat (background check, drug dog) and that our story checked out, they were respectful and tried to minimize the consequences of our stupidity. The Cleveland cops in particular were sympathetic, but alas, the Secret Service wasn't going to let us walk out of there without a production. They brought the dogs in to sweep the area, in case we'd dropped any bombs or contraband on our way in. They called in some backup, who milled about menacingly. But never once did I feel actually threatened. Never did I feel in danger of even serious consequences, let alone a violent eruption. 

Being in Cleveland right now, it's hard not to think of Tamir Rice. A kid with a toy gun at a playground. Two grown women literally breaching a security parameter outside a super highly-guarded political event. In no universe should our situation have been the safer one. 

So I submit this story in the interest of bearing witness—to my own privilege, to how encounters with police should be, to the fact that the officers we spoke with seemed like consummately decent human beings. And maybe these particular officers would have been decent regardless of who we were, but I can't help but highly doubt that. And nothing else I can say about that seems adequate. 

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  1. Big Brother- a bit gruff and irascible, but still lovable, deep down inside.

    1. If you are pretty and white.

      1. /gratuitously bitchy comment/

        Or at least 1 out of 2, anyway.

        /gratuitously bitchy comment/

        1. Elizabeth Nolan Brown might just be the whitest name there is, so I’m not sure what you are talking about.

          1. Brown might just be the whitest

            errrr

            1. It’s not like her middle name is “is.”

              1. It ain’t “ain’t” either.

          2. “Nolan” wasn’t a white name until the mid-19th century, haven’t you read Noel Ignatiev?

      2. Female privilege.

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      1. She only made that money because she’s white.

  2. Of course, a big difference between you and Tamir Rice is that you didn’t have a gun, toy or otherwise.

    This isn’t to say that the police officers were justified in shooting the kid, but to not acknowledge that your lack of a gun made you seem less threatening is a cheap play.

    1. The Cleveland cops who bounded into the park and shot Tamir Rice took their time investigating the complaint before murdering him, so having that in the back of your mind when a bunch of geared up slobs run toward you is over-dramatic. I get it.

      1. +2 Seconds.

      2. I think it’s more that having anything they can confuse with a weapon makes jumpy cops trigger-happy, while being more obviously unarmed keeps the chances of trigger-finger much much lower.

        And personally, I think being two women made them seem a lot less threatening, likely a lot more so than being white. If you want to assassinate an important figure, forget men, recruit disaffected females.

        1. It would have made all the difference for Tamir Rice if the cop who shot him had to think, “I fuck up this situation and make a bad judgement call, there will be negative consequences for me.”

          But he’s a cop. The negative consequences are minimal and it was an easy decision for him to make, too easy.

        2. They react like that to intimidate people, which only really works on people who are not threats (like ENB), and most likely doesn’t incriminate dangerous criminals.

          1. doesn’t incriminate dangerous criminals

            Crustily juggled, mate

        3. The Tamir Rice cop impunity case is the reason God’s Own Prohibitionists chose Cleveland. The town is obviously safe for National Socialism and “just following orders”, unlike, say, Nuremberg. Six or seven of the other police-perpetrated murders of dark people and hepcats since then were obvious attempts to sugar-coat those cities’ bids to host the GOP convention.
          At the Democratic convention they would simply have asset-forfeited your purses and let you go.

  3. Sure, ENB, if that is your real name. We all know you were trained as an assassin by a shadowy black ops division of the government that went rogue. I guess “journalist” makes for a good cover.

    1. “Black” ops? What’s that supposed to mean, huh?

      1. What do you mean “you people”?

  4. You should have said your friend was trafficking you to the delegates. Would have been quite the conundrum.

  5. Our trespassing was totally accidental?trying to park a reasonable distance from the melee and walk into downtown Cleveland, a colleague (who will, at her request, remain unnamed) and I took a wrong turn

    Women drivers, am I right?

    Later, one cop told us this was the most action he’d seen all day.

    “Uh, and here’s my card, uh, just in case you, uh, need it.”

    Pointless security theater is pointless. Kudos on not getting Flex-cuffed and sent to a makeshift holding center.

    1. And not getting a nickel ride.

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  7. the agent I moved on to was super chill and nice. We ended up joking about the bad convention band playing classic-rock covers loudly across the street, and discussing Donald Trump and our favorite restaurants in Brooklyn.

    WTHF?!?! Was his hair nicer than Robby’s? Was he wearing a wedding ring? OMG, did he ask for your number and promise to call you later?

    1. If they were really decent they would have given you directions and sent you on your way, not waste 2 hours of your time and charge you with a misdemeanor.

      1. I entirely agree, although I imagine that’s the shortest route between ’employed’ and ‘unemployed’ for these guys. Absolutely not an excuse, just an observation.

      2. An hour and a half of that time consisted of a cavity search.

      3. An hour and a half of that time consisted of a cavity search.

  8. a colleague (who will, at her request, remain unnamed)

    A libertarian woman? Well, that narrows it down.

    1. ENB doesn’t want people to find out she carpooled to Cleveland with Ann Coulter.

    2. Hmm…sounds like someone has friends that work at Slate…

    3. IT’S LUCY!!!!!!!

      1. bow chicka bow wow…

  9. Law enforcement is being super nice. They know their days are numbered. They hope by making friends with us we won’t fire them. The logic is backwards but understandable.

  10. Seems like you got frightened when you were approached by some men carrying rifles.

    Kind of strange since Ohio is an open carry state. And libertarians always tell us that we shouldn’t be fearful of men approaching us with rifles. Why didn’t you just assume these were God-fearing citizens exercising their constitutional rights?

    1. And libertarians always tell us

      They’re trying to get the precious?

      1. Every time you feed a troll, Lena Dunham films a nude scene.

        1. *hangs head*

          Shame on me. I must atone…

          *reluctantly shuffles off to retrieve seppuku daggers*

          1. Look at them downthread. Just look at them. That’s like a whole season of Girls down there.

            1. It’s funny how JackandAss shows up only on climate and politics-as-sports threads, just like our little joe from Lowell once did.

              Totally a massive coincidence.

              1. He’s so sly.

      2. i believe its REEEEETARD

    2. I’m pretty sure she never said she was frightened. In fact, the officers and agents never raised their guns, which is what 99.999999999999999999999999% of open carriers/gun owners would do.

      Also, fuck you.

      1. Yawn.

        “we were swarmed by several Secret Service agents bearing rifles. I ran up to them to try and explain. I didn’t raise my arms. I didn’t make any moves to prove I was non-threatening.”

        Oh yeah, she was frightened. And thanks for you sophomoric sentiments. Fitting.

      2. If she wasn’t frightened she would have just walked on by.

        1. Please, for the love of God, the next time government agents surround you, just keep walking.

          1. Actually, I’d be more frightened if YOU approached me with a weapon.

            1. That’s because you’re a fascistic retard who trusts people whose job it is to suspect you of crimes who have proven records of shooting anyone with a shiny accessory (hat, belt buckle) more than a random guy who has no reason to even look at you.

              1. She did the suspecting in reality.

            2. I approached tons of people with a weapon everyday. I haven’t killed anyone, so your fears are retarded, like your politics.

          2. As a person who has been in the middle of an early morning task force drug raid (I was sneaking out leaving a house which was apparently located in the bad part of town) I am confident that seeing armed state agents shuffling toward you yelling instructions is not a pleasant feeling.

            1. At least someone here can respond with a good point.

              1. At least someone here can respond with a good point.

                Jackass realizes what commenters are supposed to do, yet he doesn’t do it himself. That’s about the definition of troll.

                1. You know what they say about both critics and eunuchs, Scarecrow.

            2. Yeah, if you don’t have at least some level of fear when twelve guys surround you with rifles you’re probably not a human being. Especially the Secret Service, I imagine their ‘rifles’ are fully automatic. Y’know, just in case.

              1. I wish all cops’ weapons were FA. If you think their accuracy is shitty in semi…

                1. They would make storm troopers look good?

                  In cities where foot traffic is crowded enough to mean you can’t help but hit bystanders, perhaps they shouldn’t be armed with anything more than a stick. In NYC, for instance, their pistols are essentially garbage yet they still manage to hit more pedestrians than crooks.

                  Then again, all police are presumably citizens so should they have their right to be armed negated just because they’re at work? Hmm…interesting conundrum.

        2. Also tell us again how people murdered in gun free zones prove concealed carry doesn’t work.

    3. Not at all, why would you be frightened of men in special riot gear who are not held accountable for using force…no idea why that would be the case. Silly libertarian, embrace the state, it is your friend.

      1. Secret Service wear riot gear? Try again.

    4. Seriously impressive reading between the lines to get “fearful of men with rifles” from we were swarmed by several Secret Service agents bearing rifles. I ran up to them to try and explain.

      1. Could have just been citizens who were constitutionally protected, no? What is “swarming?” Is that assault? She would have to explain that one.

        1. She would have to explain that one.

          As if you ever explain anything.

        2. swarm | noun
          to move about, along, forth, etc., in great numbers, as things or persons.

          assault | noun
          an unlawful physical attack upon another; an attempt or offer to do violence to another

          I’ll go with “the dictionary says no”, but I’m sure you can find a way to impart hidden meaning to Webster’s as well in service of your point.

    5. Why didn’t you just assume these were God-fearing citizens exercising their constitutional rights?

      Regular citizens exercising their constitutional rights are generally held accountable when they do bad things. Unlike their costumed betters.

    6. The uniforms and ear pieces may have tipped them off.

  11. In the same way that Reason often reminds us that the lurking dangers we believe are rampant in the world are actually much lower than they were only a few short years ago, it may be worth pointing out that, regardless of race, the vast majority of interactions with cops do not actually result in shootings. It’s as unrealistic to presume you will be shot by every cop who approaches you as it to presume you have a 1 in 4 chance of getting raped at college. There’s a reason why they’ve been replaying the same 50 episodes of COPS since 1990. So, special snowflake, there’s nothing especially remarkable with the fact that the cops didn’t shoot you. Nevertheless, if it makes you feel any better, you’re forgiven.

    1. I was thinking maybe a wrong turn in Chicago could atone for this white privilege

    2. Translation: getting shot by the Teatotalitarian Kleptocracy’s Troopers is not as likely as drawing to fill a flush. It’s more like drawing to two pair and getting a Full House SWAT team for running a gambling establishment.

    3. It’s as unrealistic to presume you will be shot by every cop who approaches you as it to presume you have a 1 in 4 chance of getting raped at college.

      Fair enough, but risk evaluation has two factors:

      (1) Probability
      (2) Severity.

      Even when probability is low, high severity means you should be very wary.

      1. Factors multiply each other. make probability sufficiently low and magnitude of harm becomes effectively irrelevant. IOW the precautionary principle is simply wrong.

        1. The probability of getting attacked by a bear is low.

          If you see bears at reasonably close range in the wild, you should be wary.

          1. Because the probability has increased with the approach of the bears.

        2. make probability sufficiently low and magnitude of harm becomes effectively irrelevant

          Make magnitude of harm sufficiently large, and probability becomes effectively irrelevant.

          Either both statements are true, or neither are.

    4. I don’t think that the surprise was at not being shot.

    5. It’s not just getting shot that you have to worry about. You have to worry about getting charged with violating some ridiculous and possibly unconstitutional laws, getting beaten up, getting illegally searched, etc. Pretending that everything is okay as long as you’re not shot is just silly.

  12. A Reason writer(s?) got the drug dog treatment and didn’t get busted for pot? Poser!

    1. The interns mule their drugs. Allegedly.

      1. That why they have the branded tote bags.

  13. There’s some privilege here, but it’s of the female variety.

    1. Don’t worry though, having played that hand hard and fast, she’s really sorry she did and really super woke aware of her privilege.

    2. I suspect you are right.

    3. +1 Sandra Bland

  14. “In no universe should our situation have been the safer one.” The cop who shot that poor kid should be in jail, but as women you are automatically assumed not to be a threat, and you weren’t carrying a toy gun.

  15. a colleague (who will, at her request, remain unnamed)

    Is Robby transitioning? Is Fruit Sushi finally getting sliced?

    1. I’ve always just thought of Robby as entirely androgynous or perhaps sexually dimorphic/hermaphroditic. It makes my fantasizing less confusing. In that case, he’s not transitioning as much as he’s just fluid.

      1. I always figured he was a poonhound just playing up the metrosexual angle because he digs East Coast girls that don’t shave anything.

        1. But really, who doesn’t ?

          1. I don’t. I’m angling for that rare “likes sweaty back hair” girl.

  16. Open questions to gun grabbers:

    I awoke this morning dreading to find out how many were shot down in the streets of Cleveland. I was assured that with all of the open carry people, and there were many, that gun fights would break out in the streets.

    So my question is how many civilians and how many cops were shot down in the street yesterday and last night? How many arrests?

    1. So my question is how many civilians and how many cops were shot down in the street yesterday and last night?

      Can we blame Cleveland (just kidding, we’ll blame neighboring states with or without your approval).

      1. So they should have enacted special, common sense gun laws for the convention? Taking guns from law abiding citizens obviously a proven strategy.

        Jackass, you aren’t going to weigh in?

  17. Let’s be honest… Elizabeth was detained because she goes by three names, like most political assassins.

        1. Two of the same name is like three names.

      1. Most. I said “most!”

      2. Assassins of Assassins are allowed to only have two.

    1. Her middle name isn’t Wayne. Doesn’t apply.

    2. I mean John Hinkley. Memory fail.

      1. John Hinkley JUNIOR.

        That counts as three names.

        CB

    3. You really need cheesy facial hair to complete the “three names” set.

      [Googles ENB pix]

      Nope. She’s good to go.

  18. I was sympathetic all the way through the dogs sniffing for Demonic Possession up to the “grown women” part. But really, Elizabeth. The premises were occupied by the Methodist White Terror where aspiring post-menopausal members of the Wizened Christian Temperance Union are welcome, but not dams of child-bearing age. By their lights a grown woman clearly needed to be home ironing hubby’s undies, watching televangelism and praying to Jesus for forgiveness–that or preparing to deliver a brainwashable white child for folkish indoctrination by God’s Own Prohibitionists.

      1. I think he drank some of Agile’s communion wine.

      2. In one very strange parallel timeline, Hank Phillips is AgileCyborg. Embrace it as performance art and it endlessly entertaining.

        1. Jinx. You owe me a rainbow jizz coke.

            1. Halal cola. I gargle with it.

            2. Mexican. Duh.

              One of the nice things about Tucson is its easy to get Mexican coke. Vastly superior as a mixer.

    1. Look! Another meaningless comment from Hank Phillips that attacks Christians 5+ times when they have done nothing whatsoever!

      This is my shocked face…

  19. So I submit this story in the interest of bearing witness?to my own privilege, to how encounters with police should be, to the fact that the officers we spoke with seemed like consummately decent human beings.

    Who could possibly doubt ENB’s libertarian cred? White privilege theory is totally libertarian now because it’s 2016 and everything sucks more than it used to.

    1. Well, she smoked a bowl that night and had a long philosophical discussion with her friend about, like, how privileged she is and how she should have been shot. She has at least ONE of the libertarian trifecta down, I’d guess.

      1. You forgot the utilitarianism and populism planks of the new libertarian pentagram.

  20. Later, one cop told us this was the most action he’d seen all day.

    ENB. SMDH.

  21. So, to be clear: it’s really a security parameter, not a security perimeter?

    1. Somebody’s talk-to-text app needs some tweaking…

  22. Most interactions with police ARE like this.

    Once you start acting like a violent savage and disobeying lawful orders is when the encounters escalate.

    Every single video of a black (or white) man being shot by an officer is a result of resisting arrest, fighting, struggling, or attacking the officers.

    1. Um, no. Most of the time people are shot for one simple reason: failure to obey.

      Cops have zero tolerance for noncompliance. Obey or die.

      1. Failure to Obey is just the consequence. Success at passing revenue generating or social engineering legislation is the reason.

        1. I think that cop was actually fired and arrested. No idea if he was convicted.

      2. Wasn’t the white guy shot while face down and unarmed, with several seconds between the cops popping off rounds?

    2. Not the case with Tamir Rice, who was explicitly mentioned in the post. Try again

      1. Not to mention that Philando Castile was deliberately trying to comply.

        Moreover, the statement leaves open the question of disobeying unlawful orders. Freddy Gray and, arguably, Eric Garner were being wrongfully detained.

      2. There was no audio on the Tamir Rice video, so we have no way of knowing whether the cop issued a lawful order and attempted to de-escalate the situation in the two seconds it took him to roll out of the car and shoot the kid down.

    3. Uh…not exactly.

    4. Every single video of a black (or white) man being shot by an officer is a result of resisting arrest, fighting, struggling, or attacking the officers.

      Like Tamir Rice…

      Police are unaccountable and they shoot far FAR more people than they should – often with tenuous justification at best. Nevertheless, this part is still true:

      Most interactions with police ARE like this.

      They aren’t mutually exclusive propositions. Failing to get shot during a police encounter is only a “privilege” if 99+% of the population is “privileged”, which doesn’t diminish the cases where trigger happy cops DO shoot people needlessly and with no repercussions.

    5. Did PapayaSF change handles?

      1. Nothing about Muslims.

        1. No, he has a big side business in diagnosing drapetomania as well.

          1. honeygirl|7.19.16 @ 9:57AM|#

            Yup, Ive personally experienced this, but at least i didn’t get shot. I was busted for having sex in ways the government disapproves. I was raided by about 5-6 stormtroopers…Just lil ole me. They asked me to reach for something, and I did, but too fast. The cops were clenching their guns and huffing and puffin acting scared..Mind you it’s just lil ole me, and they went out of their way to bust me. Thank god I didn’t get shot.. If I had moved too slowly that would have been noncompliance. What are we supposed to do?

            I want to more of this story than Papaya’s.

            1. honeygirl

              Shame I’m going ketonic.

    6. Great. You got the “savage” dog whistle in there, and managed somehow to overlook Philando Castile, a registered concealed-carry owner.

      Which of your above categories of “resisting arrest, fighting, struggling, or attacking the officers” did the “savage” Castile fit into?

    7. Every single video of a black (or white) man being shot by an officer is a result of resisting arrest, fighting, struggling, or attacking the officers.

      Nope. Take another look at the Tamir Rice one.

      And putting up any physical resistance is not a good reason to shoot someone. It’s the job of the police to de-escalate.

      You are right that most interactions with police are non-violent and reasonable. But your further point is nonsense.

    8. disobeying lawful orders is when the encounters escalate

      Disobeying unlawful orders won’t escalate the encounter?

  23. BREAKING NEWS: PRETTY GIRLS GET TREATED DIFFERENTLY

    1. But what has that got to do with ENB?

      I KEED, I KEED. She’s lovely.

      1. I’d give her some privilege.

        1. Rapey! You have to let her take your privilege. Wait, you have to give enthusiastic and ongoing consent while she takes your privilege.

          1. Can do, commoditous. Can. Do.

            1. Only after you duly note the breathalyzer results and ascertain that she is, in fact, capable of agreeing to take your privilege.

          2. She can have all of my privilege is she can handle it all. She also doesn’t need to accept what I give. But I’ll give it nonetheless.

  24. and the agent I moved on to was super chill and nice. We ended up joking about the bad convention band playing classic-rock covers loudly across the street, and discussing Donald Trump and our favorite restaurants in Brooklyn.

    I believe Hollywood calls this a “meet cute“.

    1. I bet she was totally touching her hair and drawing a heart in the gravel with the toe of her shoe.

    2. I believe Hollywood calls this a “meet cute”.

      While I don’t disagree with your general sentiment, I think you’re being naive with the meet cute depiction.

      ENB decidedly selected from a target rich environment in order to most effectively ply her wares.

      However, a decent writer ought to be able to make the “She’s a libertarian, he’s a cop” angle work.

  25. Sorry, Ms. Nolan Brown, but this story makes you look like a complete asshat.

    The police, especially the Cleveland police, were nice to you. You respond by writing a story basically accusing them of racism for their trouble.

    This isn’t one of your better stories.

      1. Bill has obviously lost the ability to read.

        1. “As soon as law enforcement had ascertained that we weren’t a threat (background check, drug dog) and that our story checked out, they were respectful and tried to minimize the consequences of our stupidity. The Cleveland cops in particular were sympathetic…And maybe these particular officers would have been decent regardless of who we were, but I can’t help but highly doubt that.”

          What did I have trouble reading?

          1. What did I have trouble reading?

            Elizabeth Nolan Brown’s mind.

            1. Did she not say the police were decent to her?

              Did she not imply that she would have been treated differently if she were black? Or does “regardless of who I was” reference some other unknown differentiator?

              1. regardless of who I was

                A journalist?

                1. I would say, an obviously upper-class white woman.

                  If we’re talking “privilege” in any modern sense of the term, no matter how debased, its hard to say that she doesn’t belong to one of the most privileged classes in history. Not quite the most privileged (you have to be an agent of the State for that), but way up there.

              2. Maybe vaginal privilege

              3. Did she not say the police were decent to her?

                No. She stated that they acted obsequiously to her to cover their asses.

                1. they were respectful and tried to minimize the consequences of our stupidity

                  Maybe none of us can read

                  1. One doesn’t get to slough off the adverb clause.

                    1. Now about that whole regulated militia thing…

              4. Considering she makes explicit reference to their being two adult women and only an oblique reference to being white (re: Tamir Rice), I suspect it has more to do with women being treated materially differently than men. Why that’s a problem, though, I don’t know: of course cops should be more weary of adult men than women.

                1. (And, frankly, to the extent anyone is profiled, given that they are standing watch outside a convention for a political party loathed by a certain minority, a few of whose members have committed atrocities targeting police officers, it’s not even clear why cops shouldn’t be wearier of black men than 115lb-soaking-wet white female journalists. I don’t care if her nail appliques *are* weaponized.)

                  (None of that justifies detaining anyone for two hours after being frisked and interrogated for CYA theater.)

                  1. 115lb-soaking-wet white female journalists

                    [insert comment about weight loss and copious amounts of vaginal fluid]

                    1. I can’t help the effect I have on the ladies.

            2. Where’s John? He’s great at that.

          2. Why is she an asshat? Why do the police deserve “kudos” for being nice to someone?

            She was detained for two hours for being in the wrong area, and her assumption that a white, female journalist received better treatment than literally anyone else in that situation is not a stretch.

      2. So I submit this story in the interest of bearing witness?to my own privilege, to how encounters with police should be, to the fact that the officers we spoke with seemed like consummately decent human beings. And maybe these particular officers would have been decent regardless of who we were,but I can’t help but highly doubt that

        It’s sort of in there.

    1. Frankly, I don’t even believe the story. It sounds exactly like the kind of thing a leftard SJW scumbagetta like Brown would invent out of whole cloth specifically so she can call people racists.

      Naturally, none of it is verifiable since we don’t have anyone’s name, including her “colleague”.

  26. The Cleveland police and Secret Service agents we dealt with were mostly very nice. They gave us bottles of water and decided not to press federal charges. We got a cool golf-cart escort out of the convention’s restricted parameters. We didn’t get shot.

    Mighty white of them boys.

  27. Here’s a thought re: Tamir Rice. Public safety regulations are passed requiring instantly recognizable features on toy guns distinguishing them from the real thing. Rice, like any kid, sees that inauthentic orange tip safety-helmet bullshit and pulls it off. But passersby like the one who phoned in the complaint are fooled by it, and cops are trained to look for the it. So Rice gets ventilated for a foolish but understandable act of rebellion against a poorly-thought out regulation.

    (I realize this assumes the cops scoped the kid out at all before rolling up and plugging him.)

  28. “Later, one cop told us this was the most action he’d seen all day.”

    Why would she throw that chum in the water? Well, maybe none of the commenters noticed it…

    [checks]

    Yeah, they noticed.

    1. Think you mean “This Guy” not “They.”

  29. ” issued a misdemeanor citation for trespassing”

    From p. 39 of the Republican platform: “We call for mens rea elements in the definition of any new crimes to protect Americans who, in violating a law, act unknowingly or without criminal intent.”

    Oh, wait, it says there should be mens rea requirements for *new* laws.

    Carry on then, and keep prosecuting people for unintentionally violating security protocols, like you’ve been doing.

    Wait a minute…

    1. The RNC probably controls parking ticket citations too

    2. Reading this I must say the real issue isn’t that she was treated well while armed gov’t fuctionaries decided what to charge her with, it’s that entire regions of of a “free” city are cordoned off and put under essentially marshal law…. for a fucking process of democracy. When one is “allowed” to be free , one actually isn’t.

      1. That…is a really good point Dave. I’ve been saying it for a while now, perhaps not on these boards, that major cities existing is part of the problem. Once urban density hits a certain unknown threshold they become bastions of socialist rhetoric as people try to control their neighbors. It’s not a coincidence you see this type of arguably martial law happening only in major urban centers, or that most of the worst violations of civil rights happen there as well.

        On the flip side, urban police don’t tend to pull you over for minor infractions but that’s really only because they have either automated the revenue generation to traffic cams or because they have bigger fish to fry with actual law enforcement. The further automation goes, the most stifling it’s going to become.

    3. That “misdemeanor” stuck out at me too, being a crime, not consistent with your having unintentionally trespassed. Does this mean you’re going to have to return to Cleveland for court?

  30. So, in summary, you got lost, trespassed, were met by police and secret service whose jobs were to guard the site from intruders, were questioned, and issued a citation.

    The rest of the “color commentary” seems a bit gratuitous.

    1. The two hour detention is entirely gratuitous.

      A 2 minute conversation is all that is required. If the cops really wanted to be decent human beings, 2 more minutes giving directions on where to go.

      1. But the police were eventually polite, RC.

        1. The important thing is that we interpret ENB’s words in the most uncharitable way possible.

          1. The story is a great example of how security theater effects innocent people. It is important to look past that and quibble with everything else.

            1. She suggested that murdering a black child was a bad thing. She must be burned at the stake.

              1. CHILD????

                That THUG had been in the lifestyle for 12 years. 12 YEARS. Of course the media covered up all these pictures of Tamir throwing up gang signs so that we would think he was an harmless little boy.

                You kobold.

              2. I was late to this thread so I commented below. But I detected too much bowing and scraping on ENB’s part. I may have missed something in her story, I read it (quickly) twice, and I didn’t see any indication that she deserved any of the treatment she got. As RC points out, why not a two minute conversation, directions and send them on their way?

                I hardly call it “being nice” when they magnanimously decide to not press federal charges for walking through an unguarded gap in a fence sans signage.

                1. I hardly call it “being nice” when they magnanimously decide to not press federal charges for walking through an unguarded gap in a fence sans signage.

                  Good point. Its not unusual in trespass law that you need to have some sort of signage or a warning before trespass is actionable.

                  1. Good point. Its not unusual in trespass law that you need to have some sort of signage or a warning before trespass is actionable.

                    I can speak to this personally. Growing up, my step-dad had a job as a guardian ad litem. Obviously, he had to deal with some lunatics in his time. When I was around 15 or 16, there was this one lunatic who was a giant of a man. 6’6″ish, fancied himself a biker. Anyway, he decided that he should be paid for his time when my dad interviewed him to determine who got custody. When my step-dad told him to go screw, this guy followed my dad home to learn his address and then, on another day, came into our backyard and started pointing out things he was going to take as “payment”. I wasn’t home, by my grandmother was. She called the police. When the police arrived, he left. The police informed my family that they could not charge him with trespassing as there was no sign. We put up a sign the day after. Eventually, the dude ended up in prison for something,

    2. Look, this probably never even happened at all. It has a Jayson Blair vibe all over it, and my bullshit detector is at five alarm level.

  31. And…what did you have for lunch?

  32. Two-hour detention of extreme innocents equals low-buzz chub for bored thick-butted benevolents.

  33. The Cleveland police and Secret Service agents we dealt with were mostly very nice. They gave us bottles of water and decided not to press federal charges.

    That doesn’t mean you can’t press federal charges against them — interference with your First Amendment civil rights as a journalist under color of law. They can get 10 years for that stuff.

  34. I’m not trying to be mean here, but this was a case where you had an opportunity to do something useful, and instead you behaved like a bootlicking coward.

  35. They gave us bottles of water and decided not to press federal charges.

    It’s a pretty sad state of affairs that we call officials “nice” when they decide not to press federal charges when the idea of pressing federal charges should cause raucous laughter.

    The worst I got was an obnoxiously gruff and sarcastic Secret Service agent who kept trying to tell me I was “changing my story,” which I absolutely was not, he just refused to actually listen.

    ENB, this sounds almost like the first time you’ve dealt with cops. When you’re the ‘target’ of a cop’s questions, this is par for the course.

    1. By the end of the two hours, any of my initial anger at the situation had faded; while we hadn’t meant to, we had totally trespassed. As soon as law enforcement had ascertained that we weren’t a threat (background check, drug dog) and that our story checked out, they were respectful and tried to minimize the consequences of our stupidity.

      ENB, I’m confused. Were there signs? Was there some indication or signage that you willfully ignored as you meandered your way to this destination? I’m not getting the ‘stupidity’ on your part. It seems that you did what anyone who was a stranger in a strange town, trying to wend their weary way towards a major event.

      1. Ohio trespass law:

        (A) No person, without privilege to do so, shall do any of the following:

        (1) Knowingly enter or remain on the land or premises of another;

        (2) Knowingly enter or remain on the land or premises of another, the use of which is lawfully restricted to certain persons, purposes, modes, or hours, when the offender knows the offender is in violation of any such restriction or is reckless in that regard;

        (3) Recklessly enter or remain on the land or premises of another, as to which notice against unauthorized access or presence is given by actual communication to the offender, or in a manner prescribed by law, or by posting in a manner reasonably calculated to come to the attention of potential intruders, or by fencing or other enclosure manifestly designed to restrict access;

        (4) Being on the land or premises of another, negligently fail or refuse to leave upon being notified by signage posted in a conspicuous place or otherwise being notified to do so by the owner or occupant, or the agent or servant of either.

        http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2911.21

        Between the knowledge requirement and the requirement for actual communication or posting, I think you’ve got a good defense, ENB.

          1. Its a matter of principle, so I assume Reason will be happy to contest the charges.

            Right?

            1. I’ll defer to you – assume (for the sake of argument) they prosecutor wants the charges dropped – “no hard feelings” – and ENB wants the case tried, what happens?

              Or of course the prosecutors might pursue the case, but my guess is this is just one of those “we can always dismiss it later” BS charges.

              1. The charges are dropped. You can’t stop the prosecutor from doing that.

                1. But, an aggressive libertarian outfit might bring a lawsuit for wrongful arrest, false imprisonment, etc.

                  Given the open gap and the lack of signage, I don’t think the cops had any reason to arrest anyone.

                  1. I’d say that the prosecutor shouldn’t be able to drop a charge – (s)he could ask for a directed verdict of acquittal.

                    But whether the prosecutor actually prosecutes the case or not, I’d say the jury should have the power, if it finds someone Not Guilty, to decide if the prosecution was wrongful, and if so to assess damages against the prosecutor. A lien would get put on the prosecutor’s salary.

                    After he pays the defendant, the prosecutor would be able to sue the arresting officer for for his money back, saying the whole thing was the cop’s fault.

                    Or if the local government is feeling generous and reimburses the prosecutor, then the local government would be able to sue the arresting officer.

                    1. Better yet, the jury could assess damages against the government, which after paying the defendant could then turn around and sue the prosecutor and/or arresting officer for incurring such expenses on behalf of the taxpayers.

                      When sued, the prosecutors and cops could blame each other, or say it was the defendant’s fault for being prosecuted, but the defendant would have his money in any event.

          2. But I’m sure cops never cite or arrest people on bogus charges which later get dismissed.

          3. The charges have probably already been dropped. No way does she get a “criminal record” over this.

  36. “A kid with a toy gun at a playground. Two grown women literally breaching a security parameter outside a super highly-guarded political event. In no universe should our situation have been the safer one. ”

    The key difference here being that you’re WOMEN

    oh and also not pointing a fake gun at citizens

    but yeah, lets make it a race thing instead

  37. What if she was a 30-40yo white male wearing camos and a crew cut and exercising his constitutional right to bear arms?

    1. I hear that’s how she identifies.

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  39. This woman is too stupid to be a reporter. She should be flipping burgers at $7 an hour.

  40. This woman is too stupid to be a reporter. She should be flipping burgers at $7 an hour.

    1. She isn’t a “reporter”. She’s a dishonest JournoList propagandist in the mold of Dave Weigel and Jayson Blair.

  41. The Secret Service, even under the best of circumstances, is a cold, heartless Praetorian Guard which is full of itself.
    Of course, if you’d dressed as a Colombian hooker, they might have been more welcoming.

  42. I learn so much by watching The Dog Whisperer over and over. Remaining calm-assertive works wonders with humans, too.

  43. So now that you’ve established a baseline for “white chick privilege”, you should repeat the incident wearing a burka, then blackface and an afro wig, to prove your assertion.

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