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The Baton Rouge Shooter's Worldview Was a Mash-Up of Fringe Ideas

What Gavin Eugene Long believed

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After Gavin Eugene Long killed three police officers and then was slain himself in a Baton Rouge shootout yesterday morning, MSNBC reported that he may have belonged to the sovereign citizen movement. This led to some misleading chatter on social media from people who assumed this was incompatible with the other major narrative floating around Sunday, in which Long was believed to be a black militant upset about abusive policing. The sovereign citizen movement originally emerged from the white far right, and a lot of people still associate it exclusively with militia types.

But there are black militants who have adopted a great deal of the sovereign-citizen worldview, many of them (though not all) associated with offshoots from the decades-old Moorish Science movement. It's a fringe of a fringe, but it's out there, and it looks like Long fits the description. If you click here, you can read a document he filed with the Jackson County, Missouri, recorder of deeds last year, announcing that he was changing his name to Cosmo Ausar Setepenra. It is filled with language drawn from the sovereign/Moorish mashup that is the United Washitaw de Dugdahmoundyah Mu'ur Nation, which clearly was among the stew of influences that the Missouri Marine was marinating in.

That doesn't exhaust the shooter's worldview: As is often the case when a lone figure gets into a violent confrontation with the government, he espouses a hodgepodge of beliefs that place him on the far end of the political long tail. In addition to the Washitaw Nation stuff, Long/Stepenra appears to have been influenced by everything from the "principles of the Alpha Male" to the belief that he was a "targeted individual" pursued by shadowy "gangstalkers." (The gangstalking conspiracy theory was the subject of an interesting recent New York Times story, which you can read here.) Like many far-from-fringy people, Long was outraged over the recent deaths of several black men at the hands of the police; in a much less mainstream stance, he expressed support for Micah Xavier Johnson, the sniper who killed five officers in Dallas earlier this month. That raises the possibility that this was a copycat killing, but a great deal about yesterday's events remains unknown; as always, a state of intense agnosticism is wise.

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  1. Paging Michael Hihn.

    (And before/if you come back with “Well okay but he doesn’t represent some broad movement, he’s a lone actor etc,” well, no shit. Unless this is fascist Europe in which populist political movements are orchestrated by political actors, the behavior of lone wolves reflects on nobody but themselves.)

    1. “Shots were fired before the police arrived” /Hihn the thread corpse fucker *giggles and shits mother’s panties

    2. Individuals are the only entity that is responsible morally or legally when crimes like this happen. A small minority of those responsible parties are those who actually pull the trigger and indeed they deserve very real punishment and condemnation for their crime. But the majority of those responsible parties are those who support and justify the killers, and for their part they should be viewed with an intensely skeptical eye by all observers. When the beliefs justifying these crimes run afoul of reason, evidence and moral bounds those beliefs should be relentlessly criticized, mocked and rooted out of the minds of it’s adherents with all the social and intellectual force available.

      The unwillingness to engage those ideas is the death of civilization.

      1. So who is supporting and justifying these killers?

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  2. Um, this seems like an article devoted to analysing the ramblings of a lunatic.

    Which, frankly, I don’t understand the need for.

    1. Jesse is the conspiracy guy, let him do his thing. He can’t help it that Robby gets all the good articles.

    2. The purpose of these articles is to try and deflect blame from “Black Lives Matter”, and by extension Obama.

      1. +1 BLOCK INSANE YOMAMA

      2. Try to not try and. And really, Mikey, get a new shtick.

    3. But was he one of our lunatics or one of theirs?

      /every editorial board in America today

      1. Turns out he was both.

    4. an article devoted to analysing the ramblings of a lunatic

      Which probably describes, what, 1/4 at least of the articles posted here? And that’s just the Trump articles.

      1. I loled

      2. I wouldn’t characterize them as lunatics per se. Just when topics like Trump are discussed, some writers come unhinged and write like they work for ThinkProgres. Like that Krayewski article about the VP pick. Apparently you’re a fake a libertarian if you even so much as give Trump due credit for having the comparatively best position on non-intervention of all the GOP contenders at the time.The fact that he picked a VP that supported the war just proves that he’s itching for war and that you’re a fake libertarian… somehow.

        By that logic, one can say Gary Johnson is a neocon because Bill Weld supported it. But I don’t think Kray Kray will do that.

        1. if were not with you were against you, huh?

    5. It is an article devoted to making the sale of a simple “he was a ____” narrative harder.

  3. The Baton Rouge Shooter’s Worldview Was a Mash-Up of Fringe Ideas

    The last couple of shooters have been characterized this way.

    What’s interesting to me is that in my local political arena, it’s a mashup of fringe ideas that are a prerequisite to getting elected.

  4. BTW, I’ve been out of the news cycle for a week or so, the last I heard is that there were “multiple shooters” in the Baton Rouge Incident. Has this turned out to be false like the last one?

    1. Yeah.

    2. Presumably there are always at least two shooters, the first shooter and the shooter who shows up to stop him.

  5. “principles of the Alpha Male”

    I always knew Johnny Longtorso was gonna run afoul of the law eventually.

    1. Beat me to it, damn you!

  6. The gangstalking conspiracy theory was the subject of an interesting recent New York Times story, which you can read here.

    It sounds like low-grade, incipient schizophrenia; mild symptoms which never actually go anywhere.

    The feeling of being “targeted” and that everyone else is “in on it” and “trying to pressure you to kill yourself” etc. describes exactly the early, low-grade symptoms that eventually led to more serious delusions/irrational thinking.

    3 schizophrenic patients i know personally all echoed the same basic complaint.

    I think its something many people are capable of without otherwise being mentally ill; the typical example is “Auditory hallucination” = make people listen to white/pink noise generators (like a running fan or a air-conditioner) and many can often hear music, or “voices” whispering, sometimes even able to discern entire words or phrases. The human brain dislikes chaos and will project things into random patterns.

    Psychotic symptoms are not exclusive to the technically ‘mentally ill’; the more confusing issue is why these symptoms become more prevalent and serious with certain individuals without ever showing any other criteria of ‘illness’.

    1. Dennis nails it.

      For more clarity try using technically correct language – crazier than a shithouse rat.

      1. I actually don’t think the Baton Rouge shooter was ‘crazy’ at all.

        (*when i say ‘crazy’, i mean clinically ‘mentally ill’)

        My point above was to note that otherwise entirely ‘sane’ people can sometimes suffer psychotic symptoms; but rarely in the kind of debilitating way described in the NYT piece.

      2. To be perfectly honest I find it relieving that the guy was crazy. It would be much more terrifying if sane people were planning and executing such things.

    2. Recovered coma patients and schizophrenics are fascinating. A friend of my brother’s suffers the latter, and until this past year was pretty much a full-on violent lunatic. He’d get in touch during his occasional lucid moments, and my brother is a close friend of the family, so he’s kept tabs. He says it’s like having a childhood chum who never grew up, which is understandable since the guy succumbed in his mid-teens.

      Then, suddenly, twenty years later, after transitioning onto a novel drug therapy, he pops out of it. Not completely, but enough that his family starts referring to bad days rather than good. And his descriptions of it are just awful, a real kaleidoscopic shitshow.

      1. twenty years later, after transitioning onto a novel drug therapy, he pops out of it.

        Ask your brother if it was “Clozaril/Clozapine”

        It took ~ 10 years before they’d try it on *my* brother, and it was like throwing a bucket of cold water on him. Exactly how you describe. It used to be used more frequently with (severe) schizophrenics, but became disfavored because it kills white blood cells and requires frequent patient-monitoring. I think some states require a judge to grant “permission” to physicians to prescribe it, and only after they’ve proven to have tried “everything else” beforehand. something like that. we have at least 1 or 2 resident MDs here who know the deal w/ it.

        1. I’ll ask, but that does sound familiar. It’s a cocktail, that’s all I know.

          As far as frequent monitoring… I mean, ffs, that’s his life already. His dad pays a mint to house him with a nurse, an old gang-banger with facial tats who can take a punch and knows how to lock down a ~400lb mental case. And he’s a roamer. How much more monitoring could he need? At least he’s not going to throw a hyperviolent temper tantrum against his low white blood cell count.

        2. Good luck to your brother, though. It’s not a cure and schizophrenia isn’t a curse I’d wish on anyone, but I’m glad to see it may not be a life sentence, either.

    3. And now they’re becoming organized. That’ll be fun.

  7. “he expressed support for Micah Xavier Johnson, the sniper who shot five officers in Dallas earlier this month.”

    I thought he shot more than that.

    1. You’re right; I should have used the word “killed.” Will fix.

  8. I watched 10 or so of the guy’s videos last night. He wasn’t crazy, and he wasn’t so deep into “Fringey” shit that he was babbling on about a bunch of stuff you’d need to join a cult to understand.

    his account has since been terminated, so unfortunately i can’t link to examples.

    He mostly comes off as a very narcissistic dude who was trying to “find himself” through lots of self-help theories and bullshit programs ranging from military life, joining the nation of islam, participating in some “Black Entrepreneur” clubs, and so on.

    My last thought before “not caring” anymore was = he struck me as a person who was “Looking for a dad“. Its an odd thought, but it was an instinctive response to all the bullshit he was spouting.

    1. It’s almost, almost… and bear with me here, I’m going waaaay out on a limb here… it’s almost like identity politics isn’t an adequate substitute for spiritual or philosophical growth.

      1. it’s almost like identity politics isn’t an adequate substitute for spiritual or philosophical growth.

        I agree.

        But i’m not sure it applies much in the case of this particular dude. Out of 10 videos, i don’t think i heard him railing about “White Oppression” as more than a passing reference. The people making a big deal out of ‘racial separatism’ might be enlarging comments he made in a single video, but they don’t characterize his broader POV.

        He made a video specifically saying, “DONT ASSOCIATE ME WITH ANYTHING”. He basically disavowed ALL possible ‘group affiliations’ and said, “everything i do is me and my choice”. He wasn’t trying to make it a “black thing”. His principal focus seemed to be ‘self-empowerment’, and it had little to do with collective ideas about “Race” as much as a more philosophical POV about what ‘Men’ should do.

        There was another video called “thoughts on Self-Preservation and Self-Defense” which bordered on near-libertarian musings about how the first law of nature is the right to protect your own life; which may entail engaging in violence.

        he goes on at length and never mentions anything about “being black” once.

        Yes, the guy definitely mentions “black power shit” a number of times, but it was by no means the root-issue the dude was obsessed with.

        1. That’s just the false consciousness. White colonialism occupied his brain and forced him to disavow his birthright with fellow empowered black men.

        2. He made a video specifically saying, “DONT ASSOCIATE ME WITH ANYTHING”. He basically disavowed ALL possible ‘group affiliations’ and said, “everything i do is me and my choice”.

          “Don’t label me, bro, labels are like, for squares, man.”

          Like it or not, labeling is an act categorization. To say that one is truly transcendent of all rational categories is to suppose that one is entirely separate from the content of the universe. So he fits into more than a few categories, even abstract ones relating the sets of ideas in his head. The vast majority of those categories are almost entirely irrelevant to why he did what he did. But obviously not all.

          1. Frankly, it doesn’t seem like he’s a basket case who took grievance politics to a natural conclusion. He’s a basket case because he entertained it in the first place, and that’s true of every one of these identity politicking nutters. Essentializing oneself as the product of one’s skin tone alone (or gender, religion, etc) is a symptom of lunacy. It’s akin to body dysmorphia or a kind of projected solipsism in which nobody else sees them as anything except [black/female/Muslim/etc]. These are frankly unhealthy ideas about themselves and by extension about society.

            1. I agree that he’s a basket case and was going to do something murderously crazy pretty much regardless. If this guy were a radical environmentalist, maybe he would have shot some gas station employees and we never would heard about it. But it’s worth remembering that the early Bolsheviks, once upon a time, were fringe crazies who would have been crazy with a different set of ideas under different circumstances. But there’s a reason their particular ideology rose to preeminence and the other nutty squirrel turd ideologies didn’t.

            2. Wow, out of the park. Nicely done. I think you even got a 9.9 from the East German judge.

      2. It’s almost, almost… and bear with me here, I’m going waaaay out on a limb here… it’s almost like identity politics isn’t an adequate substitute for spiritual or philosophical growth.

        *slow clap from the back*

  9. “The 9th and Final Edition” is a nice touch.

  10. The Real Indian is the Negro aka the Blackamoor
    **The oldest body found in America is that of a ‘Negroid’ names Lucy**

    It’s a .pdf

    All Life Came from the Black Waters of Nu ?called Space or The Neutron Soup or the
    NETERU or NETCHERU which is where NEGRO is derived from etymologically.

    Fantastic!

    1. Bullshit, dude was cribbing from Vonnegut.

      1. And “Lucy” was found in Ethiopia.

        1. I thought Charlie Brown lived in the US

          1. Lucy was black?

    2. Is he lifting passages from TimeCube?

  11. I know it’s SPLC, but their article on the Washitaw movement is pretty informative and hilarious.

    It was the night of the “high waters” on the Louisiana bayou when the “empress of the Washitaw” was born. A levee on the Mississippi had broken, and a swirling, stinking flood was raging outside as she burst from her mother’s womb onto the cold, cement floor of a public courthouse. Within seconds, the empress says, there was a sign.

    “I was born in my placenta,” Her Highness explains. “I kicked out of it on my own, and then [the placenta] rolled up on my head like a crown.”

    And so, on that stormy night 72 years ago, Verdiacee Turner ? the woman who would one day call herself Empress Verdiacee “Tiari” Washitaw-Turner Goston El-Bey ? came into this world.

  12. What Gavin Eugene Long believed

    Who in the fuck cares. Fuck him.

  13. We told him to kill Wahabbis but he heard “White Police”. If the only tool you have is a machine gun, every uniform looks like a kaftan. This is what you get when you train people to “drop bombs on the devil”. They will come back to you to demonstrate their skillz.

    1. Another thing people don’t think about in the rush to war. What will happen to the enemy nation after we destroy its government? Who will fill the power void? And what will happen to our warriors who live through the fight?

  14. The Baton Rouge Shooter’s Worldview Was a Mash-Up of Fringe Ideas

    But isn’t that the truth when it comes to all the crazy fuckers who go on killing sprees and terrorist acts?

    1. Not in the case of ISIS. For ISIS it’s exclusive – if you pledge allegiance to another group they will kill you.

  15. Related, from John’s b?te noir:

    Kooks Love Emotive Political Movements

    Black Lives Matter protesters say a lot of dumb and hateful and dishonest things, and some of them have explicitly called for violence against police. Some people in the pro-life movement use intemperate rhetoric, too, and no doubt that attracted such a kook as John Salvi, but he was a kook looking for kookery opportunities, not a level-headed guy transformed into a lunatic by anti-abortion extremists. Micah Xavier Johnson seems to have been judged too crazy for the New Black Panther party, which is like being too nutty for Planters. Very likely he was more like John Salvi or John Hinkley Jr., a lunatic in search of a banner, than a clear-eyed, true-believing terrorist like Bill Ayers or Representative Peter King’s friends in Ireland. Inevitably, he found some encouragement in the hysteria of Black Lives Matter; he might very well have found it elsewhere: Freemasonry or anti-Freemasonry, Catholicism or anti-Catholicism, Austrian economics.

    1. too nutty for Planters

      Album name.

    2. Johnson was “blacklisted” (as Moore put it) by allied organizations.

      No wonder Johnson snapped. He was even getting microaggressed by black organizations.

    3. Wait a second, when the fuck has anyone gone postal and killed a bunch of poor fucks over Austrian economics!?!?

      1. Excellent question. Not even the crazy Keynesians react to Austrians that way. Just look at Krugman and his followers.

      2. Excellent question. Not even the crazy Keynesians react to Austrians that way. Just look at Krugman and his followers.

  16. as always, a state of intense agnosticism is wise.

    Except in foxholes.

  17. Why do I suspect that, as we speak, over at Jezebel they’re ranting about Mr. Long’s remarks about being an “alpha male” and protests being “for women” to portray his actions as an outbreak of toxic masculinity rather than of a deranged anti-white Nation of Islam-type lunatic? Someone go over to jezebel and see if I’m right, I hve not the courage to do it myself.

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  19. Baton Rouge Cop Killer Gavin Long Was Nation Of Islam..
    Videos on Long’s account show that he was a former Nation of Islam member. He also ranted against “crackers” and made references to Alton Sterling, the black man killed by police in Baton Rouge on July 5.
    He went by the name Cosmo Ausar Setepenra. In the video, Long met with several men he seemed to not have known prior to their encounter. He promotes a book he wrote and discusses black liberation ideology.
    “I wrote it for my dark-skinned brothers,” Long said of his book.
    “If you look at all the rebels like Black Panthers, Huey P. Newton, Malcolm X?Elijah Muhammad, they was light-skinned. But we know how hard y’all got it,” Long continued.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Zkloxa1Vw

  20. but a great deal about yesterday’s events remains unknown; as always, a state of intense agnosticism is wise.

    But, I know that when I’m looking for “news”, my first stop is MSNBC…

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