Obama Calls for 'Restraint' in Turkey, Support for Democratically-Elected Government

John Kerry recommends U.S. citizens in Turkey "shelter in place."


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President Obama did not make a public statement about the coup in progress in Turkey, but the White House did release a readout of a phone call with Secretary of State John Kerry, according to which the two "agreed that all parties in Turkey should support the democratically-elected Government of Turkey, show restraint, and avoid any violence or bloodshed."

Kerry also released a statement:

The United States views with gravest concern events unfolding in Turkey. We are monitoring a very fluid situation.

I spoke this evening to Foreign Minister Cavusoglu and emphasized the United States' absolute support for Turkey's democratically-elected, civilian government and democratic institutions.

We urge all parties to ensure the safety and well-being of diplomatic missions and personnel and civilians throughout Turkey.

Our Embassy and Consulates in Turkey continue to provide updates to U.S. citizens in Turkey. U.S. citizens should shelter in place and stay indoors; and update family and friends of status when possible.

The European Union's foreign policy representative, Federica Mogherini, meanwhile, called for "restraint and respect for democratic institutions".

Officials from the Turkish military reportedly insist they have taken control of the country while President Recep Erdogan, who has spent much of his time in power limiting the right to protest, called on citizens to demonstrate against the coup, with pro-government demonstrations breaking out overnight despite reports of a military-imposed curfew.

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  1. About time the military in Turkey did their job.

  2. Benjamin Franklin wanted the turkey to be the national symbol instead of the bald eagle.

  3. Also, Istanbul used to be named Constantinople. Why did they change it? That’s nobody’s business but the Turks.

    1. Now that’s stuck in my head.

      1. The irony if that the drugs TMBG were high on when writing that song would get them all sent to Turkish prison for decades.

        1. (source: a warm, moist place)

        2. It’s actually a song from the 1920s. TMBG just re-recorded it.

          1. Sorry, 1950s.

          2. Huh. No shit. I didn’t know that.

            1. The Four Lads.

              Bigger hit for them than TMBG.

    2. Even old New York was once New Amsterdam.

  4. For all we know, the coup is over Erdogan’s support for ISIS.

    I agree that seeing Turkey turn into Syria, right now, is just about the very last thing the world needs.

    I’m just not sure that Obama’s tweets are the force for stability that he imagines them to be.

    When John Kerry tweets, however, the whole world stops what it’s doing and listens.

    #Can’t we all just get along?

    1. seeing Turkey turn into Syria

      Hillary and Merkel will be in their bunks.

      1. Can you imagine how fucking shitty that world would would be?

        Europe might be right wing by next summer.

        1. Europe is heading right and not slowly. And they had better step that up if they want their cultures and nations to survive. In the meantime, the USA in still headed left and chasing that Euro-socialist dream, under the leadership of the always delusional progressives.

          1. I believe that will change in November….

            1. It won’t, and your tears will be very salty.

    2. “Erdogan’s support for ISIS.”

      Er…while he may have supported them early on, he definitely doesn’t now. Turkey has been shelling ISIS for months.

      1. The Turkish military has been shelling ISIS for months?

        Or Erdogan has been shelling ISIS for months?

        We don’t know what the straw was that broke the camel’s back.

        . . . but something tells me you’re just going to sniff around until you can figure out what the rednecks want–and then just pound the table for the opposite of that anyway, right?

        Either that or maybe you’ve got somebody inside the Erdogan regime giving you the real scoop? If so, please do tell.

        1. “The Turkish military has been shelling ISIS for months?

          Or Erdogan has been shelling ISIS for months?”

          The Turkish military, under Erdogan’s command, has been shelling ISIS

          “something tells me you’re just going to sniff around until you can figure out what the rednecks want”

          No. You’re just being stupid, and making irresponsible statements.

          1. You’re just being stupid, and making irresponsible statements.

            Projection: It’s not just for movie theaters!

            1. Yelling ‘projection’ over and over isn’t going to change the facts.

              1. Your repetition won’t change the fact either–that you don’t know what the coup plotters were thinking and why, certainly not in real time as it was happening.

                It also doesn’t change the fact that Erdogan is more concerned about fighting US backed Kurds than he is about fighting against ISIS.

                The reason we back the Kurds is because they’re the only pro-American, anti-ISIS force in the region. The reason Erdogan hates the Kurds is because they’re trying to carve an independent homeland out of Turkey.

                Suspecting that there may be differences of opinion between Erdogan and elements in the Turkish military over his tacit support for ISIS in their fighting against U.S. backed Kurds is neither stupid nor irresponsible.

                “Our NATO ally was enraged because ISIS lost territory and says it’s willing to invade Syria, not to fight ISIS, but to suppress American allies . . . . “ISIS commanders told us to fear nothing at all [from Turkey],” a former ISIS communications technician told Newsweek, “because there was full cooperation with the Turks and they reassured us that nothing will happen?.?.?.?ISIS saw the Turkish army as its ally especially when it came to attacking the Kurds in Syria. The Kurds were the common enemy for both ISIS and Turkey.”

                —-World Affairs, “The Trouble with Turkey: Erdogan, ISIS, and the Kurds”


  5. Obama Calls for ‘Restraint’ in Turkey, Support for Democratically-Elected Government

    IOW, Obama is in favor of the tyrant remaining in power. Here is my shocked face. Tyrants don’t like it when they see what can happen to tyrants.

    1. Obama said the same thing when the Egyptian military staged a coup to oust the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood.

      1. Well obviously, the Muslim Brotherhood had a mandate.

        1. And he said the same thing when the military overthrew the president of Honduras in a bloodless coup when the president decided to just ignore the law.

          Obama definitely has a pattern of leader he supports.

  6. Has anyone checked James Taylor’s diary for availability yet?

    1. I think you mean Cat Stevens, right?

      1. I haven’t heard *his* cover version of Imagine though.

        1. Maybe settle for this:


          I thought you meant Cat Stevens because he lives in Turkey, I believe.

      2. I think you meant Yusef Islam, right?

        1. Nobody recognizes him by that name.

          Nobody goes, “Hey, you guys remember that ‘Peace Train’ song by Yusef Islam?

          1. You did and so does the no-fly list.

            1. Yeah, when he books flights, I bet he tells them his name is Cat Stevens.

              You remember me, the Peace Train guy?

              Yusef Islam is no good for flying on commercial airlines. Might as well change his name to Mohamed “Boom Boom” bin Laden.

              1. +1 “You might recognize the soundtrack for “Harold and Maude”.”

      3. Can you imagine what sort of hipster douchebag parents would name their child ‘Cat’? Ok, maybe that’s a stage name, but I can only imagine hipster douchebags naming a child Cat.

          1. The beautiful Ms Dennings was named Katherine by her parents, the Litwacks. Katherines are often called Kathy, Kate, Kit, Kitty or even Kat. It is the Catherines who get nicknamed “Cat.”

            Stage names don’t count agains parental db quotients, unless the stage parents dreamed it up.

    2. Last I heard, Peter Murphy was still living in Turkey.

      He’s a Muslim now, too. Sufi, I believe.

      Won’t perform “Stigmata Martyr” live anymore.


      1. Wat?? I had no idea. Haven’t followed him since around 1990 but still.

        1. “Although he had grown up in an Irish-Catholic household, Murphy embraced Islam in the 1990s, eventually moving to Turkey with his wife. A subsequent Middle Eastern influence can be heard in his later albums. In particular, Murphy has been inspired by the mysticism of Sufism.”


          1. I guess now I know why I haven’t followed him since around 1990.

            1. Richard Thompson embraced Sufism post Fairport Convention, and he’s insanely great.

  7. John Kerry recommends U.S. citizens in Turkey “shelter in place.”

    Well there you go.

    1. Translation: “You’re on your own.”

      1. “Keep the conversation light. Stay off religion.”

        /joke stolen from Doonesbury

    2. If only they could exercise their second amendment rights.

    3. He also recommended they find the nearest safe space.

    4. John Kerry recommends U.S. citizens in Turkey “shelter in place.”

      Probably what Hillary told Ambassador Stevens…

  8. CNN’s Anderson Cooper reports that Erdagon has landed in Istanbul.

  9. How will NATO react?


  10. They sure love the word ‘fluid’ a lot.

    1. These euphemisms just keep getting better!

  11. Meanwhile in the Peaceful Kingdom:

    “Severe Thunderstorm Warning
    3 mins ago ? Environment Canada
    At 6:44 p.m. EDT, Environment Canada meteorologists are tracking a severe thunderstorm capable of producing very strong wind gusts, up to toonie size hail and heavy rain …”

    1. Where is that?

      1. Montreal.

        1. But that’s irrelevant to the text.

    2. What the fuck is toonie size?

      1. Like a cross section of Warty’s dick.

        Without the protrusions.

        1. So….sewer pipe sized hail?!?!?!

          1. I was going more for the “brass core, nickel sheath” angle.

      2. Here you go beach kid.


        /flips a toonie at Playa. Winks.

          1. I want my two dollars!

            1. +1 tip

            2. Do you have any idea what the street value of this pile of toonie sized hail is?

              1. +1 Monster Eggnog

      3. Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-… That’s all, folks.

    3. We just had a storm roll through. But, since we’re in Murricah, the hail was quarter size.

    4. What is a toonie and how big are they ?

      Perhaps Obama will get Michelle to #hashtag those rebels back into submission.

  12. Democracy is magic. As long as the government was elected, we should support it no matter what.

    1. You know who else was elected?

      1. Pedro?

      2. Reese Witherspoon?

    2. Yeah, even though Erdogan’s doing his best to destroy Turkish democracy and secularism. If he comes out on top here he might just declare himself the new Sultan.

      1. That’s basically his angle. More than Islamism, he wants a revived Ottoman empire. A couple years ago I saw a ridiculous photo of him walking with ‘bodyguards’ wearing (painfully fake looking) Ottoman-era guardsmen costumes.

        1. I’d be OK with a revived Ottoman empire. Let Turkey deal with the Levant. Also, link.

          1. The Ottoman Empire sucked though. They seem to be the main reason that area is so buggered. Morocco never got Ottoman’d and I think that might just be a reason why they are better off.

            1. Meh, the Levant has had fighting more or less constantly since at least the Trojan war. Blaming the Ottoman empire seems… incomplete.
              I mean, yeah, the Turks made their share of mistakes, but the French and British didn’t help either.
              Also, if you have never read Seven Pillars of Wisdom by Lawrence, I’d recommend it. The movie Lawrence of Arabia is based on it. Lawrence was a British agent in Arabia during WWI. Fascinating read.

              1. Stoopid close tag

              2. Okay.

            2. Here is a quick down and dirty musical version of why the area is so buggered. Extra points if you can identify all the uniforms/cultures.

    3. I’ve been channel surfing and they had that exact conversation on MSNBC. They can’t distinguish between elections and freedom.

      1. Well, they’re vehemently opposed to the latter, so they have to pay lip service to the former so people don’t properly perceive them as tyrannophiles.

      2. They loved Chavez because he was elected

  13. Tragically, the coup appears to be failing.

    1. It looks like the govt has control of Istanbul and that general area while Ankara is under the control of the military. Time for a massive civil war now?

      1. Great, and everyone thought it would be an earthquake that spelled the end of the Haigia Sofia.

      2. Crazy. Surreal. I keep reading about the coup soldiers in Ankara shooting at or blowing up various state targets like Parliament and the Intel HQ. Maybe they know it’s not going to work, at least quickly, and are trying to destroy what they can now?

        1. It’s too early to tell really. Supposedly the general in command of the First Army, the army group around Istanbul, threw in with the govt. I’d suspect he’s an Erdogan crony for obvious reasons. Maybe the rebels are having more success elsewhere.

          1. Shit you might be right. CNN Turk just went off air. There was a big explosion in Istanbul too.

            1. LOL they’re broadcasting with an empty studio. CNN has never been so watchable!

              1. Everything on CNN is staged!

  14. Obama Calls for ‘Restraint’ tee time in Turkey, Support for Democratically-Elected Government
    John Kerry recommends U.S. citizens in Turkey “shelter in place.””all just try to get along.”

    1. When I’m panicked, the first thing I do is consult John Kerry.

      1. I’m starting a petition to get his Twitter feed hooked up directly to the government alert text message system.

  15. Someone needs to give Erdogan an atomic wedgie.

  16. I spoke this evening to Foreign Minister Cavusoglu and emphasized the United States’ absolute support for Turkey’s democratically-elected, civilian government and democratic institutions.

    Kerry is showing either his or his master’s lack of understanding of the history of Turkey. The “democratic” tendency is towards a religious dictatorship. Turkey has remained a (relatively) secular republic due to the ongoing coups staged by the military.

    To some extent, the Turkish military is serving a function similar to that that SCOTUS is supposed to serve – keeping democracy from running into a tyranny of the majority.

    It may not be what Americans (or even libertarians) would wish, but it has worked for about a century for the Turks.

    Kerry (and Obumah) need to be a bit more republican and a bit less Democratic.

    1. crap…. I really did try to use the preview…. only the first line was supposed to be italicized

      1. Damn your nimble fingers!

    2. I presume only the first paragraph was supposed to be in italics.

    3. It should be noted that Erdogan WAS an improvement when he came into office. The authoritarians he replaced were socialistic and left the country’s economy a mess. Erdogan has been Otto-Putin for a long time now.

    4. Maybe his masters wants a religious dictatorship in Turkey, amirite?

      1. masters

  17. If Obama, Kerry et al aren’t saying Erdogan’s name, it means they don’t support him.

    This bullshit about supporting the “Democratically elected government” seems to me to be cover for saying, “you’re done, but we’ll accept one of your party lackeys as an “interim leader”

    they want an effective coup to take on the appearances of “not a coup, really” in order to move forward.

    1. It just means they are in the dark and don’t want to be seen backing the wrong horse for the jillionth time.

      1. The fact that the US is in the dark tells me that Gulen has nothing to do with this. They have to have him surveilled six ways to Sunday.

    2. There’s that, along with a massive insistence that democratic and only democratic states are ‘legitimate’. Anything that gets in the way of the ‘democratically elected’ rulers ruling as they see fit is to be abhored.

  18. OT =

    someone a while back said they were interested in looking into coding/writing software as a change in career

    people responded with lists of “languages to start with”/suggested platforms

    anyone remember who that was? and what the consensus was re: the latter? I’m interested in looking into it as part of a longer-term project for “becoming more freelance”.

    Also interested in what people think the lifespan of aspects of that career are; meaning, is it more or less likely to grow or shrink? my buddy who is a software entrepreneur has started 3 companies, and all of his “coders” last i checked were dudes outsourced from Eastern Europe, which he’s done for about a decade.

    1. That was me. I wasn’t looking for a change in career so much as a backup. I was feeling very unwell after that thread and so I have not done a lot in that file. There is also less urgency now that I am in a job that is extremely secure. Still, I am going to start getting serious in three months or so. I was just not motivated between feeling terrible and applying for tons of jobs.

    2. Where do you live? If you’re in the USA, I would suggest learning .NET and MSSQL. Most Europeans as far as I know are Java programmers (*barf*).

      1. And I’ve been in IT solutions in the USA for 18 years, so I know a little about the industry here.

      2. Oh, and although I myself, code more in VB.NET that I do C#, I would definitely recommend you learn C# first, as it is more popular, and also learn javascript, which is not Java, thank gawd, since Java is vomit inducing garbage.

          1. It pays well, (;

        1. *faints*

          JavaScript is the eighth circle of hell. Stay far away.

          Stick with .NET, preferably C#. Of course, it depends entirely on what you want to do. Web coding has been taken over almost entirely by JavaScript and its numerous derivatives that arose because JavaScript is so horrible to work with.

          Enterprise stuff, go with .NET and SQL.

          1. Well, please explain to me how you’re going to develop enterprise level applications without ever using javascript? You can’t be serious? You’re never going to use javascript?

            1. There’s more than enough back-end coding to go around. I’ve never touched JS professionally in my career. Even on the front end enterprise stuff is either pretty simple and therefore doesn’t require JS or I integrate with off-the-shelf front-ends that I don’t code.

              1. I mostly only use jscript front end. But it happens a lot. We develop a lot of very customized solutions.

                Anyway, I have one app that uses an object oriented database, and we use jscript on both the front and back end, a lot. Object oriented database, lol, there is your 9th circle of hell.

            2. Should have said, I choose to NOT use javascript, but sometimes you have to. I use when I HAVE to. Yeah, it sucks for lots of reasons, but as I was advising OP, you have to know it if you’re going to develop .NET apps, just like you have to know HTML and CSS, which you really should already know if you’re more than 5 years old.

              1. Many of the languages listed above are complete apples and oranges comparisons. It makes zero sense to compare JS vs Java vs HTML vs SQL as they serve completely different purposes.
                Go through the old 6.001 lectures on MIT opencourseware to learn the fundamentals of computer science, including object orientation and data structures. After that it will be easy to learn any language. Then learn Python because it’s so quick to get up and running and super useful for prototyping, then learn Java so you know what a strongly typed language is and because you’ll undoubtedly run into many Java APIs, then learn HTML and JavaScript so you can make a website, then learn what an SQL query is so you can communicate with relational databases. Oh and get comfortable with a Unix command line and writing shell scripts because it will make your life easier and learn Git because version control is essential for code organization. Lynda.com will also be your friend.

        2. ES6 JavaScript and Java, Scala & Python. Lean how to use WebPack and npm for JavaScript and Maven for Java. Nobody uses .NET anymore especially for any enterprise projects. You also need to be familiar with Amazon Web Services (AWS), Akana, and Cloud Foundry if you want to be one of the cool kids. You better have a GitHub or BitBucket account already set up and code samples in it too. Otherwise your resume goes strait into the trash.

          I’m not saying nobody uses .NET C# (or C/C++, FORTRAN, COBOL, etc), it’s just niche work nowadays. I’ve done all of these and more BTW, and I really liked some that went by the wayside like C#. It’s really up to you: do you want to be a C# developer or a software developer? A JavaScript developer or a software developer? What I am trying to say, poorly no doubt, is that you need to learn not only several languages but also different ways of thinking about the solutions to the problem, e.g., functional vs. object oriented.

          1. Nobody uses .NET anymore especially for any enterprise projects.

            LOL! You’re delusional. All of my clients here in the USA use it, and there are some HUGE enterprise level apps we’re working with, all of them written in .NET with a SQL back end. You must live in Europe or elsewhere outside the USA.

      3. I’m domestic; east coast and look to stay that way for knowable future. why .NET and MSSQL in particular? Market demand? range of applications?

        I work in the financial services industry and have been in the analyst role for ~a decade+ in different aspects; before that did management consulting; the theoretical next-step in the analyst world is to finish a CFA. I don’t know if i really want to bother with it – thinking instead of adding completely different set of skills and see if there are wider range of things to do with it in the FS space, or elsewhere.

        1. I’m in insurance myself and a lot of companies are mostly based on .NET stuff. Older companies have more Java. But honestly you can’t go wrong learning any of it because there is demand for everything.

          A caveat: most actual coding is farmed out overseas. If you’re around “middle career” like me you need both coding and analyst and maybe even managerial skills. Hardly any Americans do just coding anymore, at least in “enterprise” fields like ours.

          1. If you’re around “middle career” like me you need both coding and analyst and maybe even managerial skills. Hardly any Americans do just coding anymore, at least in “enterprise” fields like ours.

            yeah, that’s pretty much exactly it,

            The analyst gig is basically a few “queen bees” (prima-donna name-brands @ the sell-side banks) and lots of “worker bees” (the people who do the actual work for them, work on the buy-side, or for independent analyst houses – all of which i’ve done).

            The track seems sort of a dead-end if you’re not either on the path to Queen Bee, or to second in line to be the Chief Investment Strategist somewhere; i am not interested in doing this boilerplate portfolio-management stuff forever, and am also aware that the next “Market Crash” could also be another very hard kick in the nuts for the industry. Im just looking for angles on “other things to do” which new skill sets might possibly open up, and make my CV much more portable/applicable.

            1. We’ll talk one day. Not today. I’m drinking poolside.

          2. I’m in manufacturing and SQL has been one of the best things I’ve learned in the past few years. It has certainly made me invaluable to my current employer but I’m not sure what I should learn next.

            1. Well, if you already know SQL, you should either learn .NET so you can access and display that data on the front end, OR/AND learn SSRS to design some powerful reports. I use all of these.

        2. I flirted with the CFA once upon a time to go along with a couple of other designations.

          Then I decided to leave the industry altogether.

          And now here I am writing snarky comments at Reason!

          1. And doing quite well!

            1. I have my moments.

        3. Why do you prefer the east coast?

          Are you ugly?

          1. Maybe because he’s already here and the IT job market is really good? Just a guess.

          2. Or maybe his family is on the east coast, you west coast ass-dude. 😀

          3. I was pretty once, but now i’m a hideous monster and i wear a bag on my head and stay in the shadows.

            why not west coast? family here, plus i’m very much genetically/personality-wise a ny’r. I’d probably go abroad as soon as go leftward. London was a pretty good fit w/ me. Everyone else was so miserable and reserved i came off like a sparkling ray of sunshine.

            1. No, tear down Playa. I bet his favorite band is Pennywise. Maybe NOFX.

              1. Ouch. Single shot, center mass.

                I know 2 of the guys in Pennywise.

                But, being married with kids, I no longer have friends or hobbies.

                1. Oh….oh….oh oh….sorry.

                2. I don’t even know who pennywise is (*aside from the clown in the book “IT”). I presume it involves white people.

                  1. I may be mistaken on who Dennis is. Anyways, did someone say Ska?

            2. Did you like Cabo?

              That’s basically my hometown. And, I’d bet that my hometown owns half of Cabo. And Mammoth.

    3. “languages to start with”

      python or java. Just for learning, I don’t think the specific language matters as much, but those two are really simple platforms to get a project started and doing something without dealing with external libraries or other project-file related nonsense that doesn’t help you learn to program. and python can be done interactively, which I think can be very instructive.

      the other suggestions seem to be focusing on what you’ll want to learn to get that eventual new job, cart before horse style.

  19. How long until Weekly Standard calls for an intervention.

    1. Weekly Standard called for an intervention before it happened.

      1. Preemptive war

        1. And they wanted an intervention into the intervention. Krauthammer will be in his bunk.

  20. Apparently ‘Erdogan’ is pronounced ‘Erdo-whan’. Stupid.

    1. I think is pronounced “Erred again”. Should be, anyways.

    2. Reminds me of the Bonerdagon, which resides in The Haert of the Cyrpt at the center of the Misspelled Cemetary.

      1. After the turkey, the bonerdagon was Franklin’s second choice for America’s symbol.

    3. Huh. I always pronounced it “air-doe-gone.”

  21. Hey, at least Obo hasn’t sent in troops. And Shrill doesn’t have an endangered diplomat to throw under a truck.

  22. “Image: Turkish President Erdogan arrives in Istanbul’s Ataturk Airport -”

    The guy with the p-shopped eyes? Can’t tell.

    1. That entire photograph looks like a poor-man’s Sargent Pepper’s pastiche. that’s the BEST PR photo they could come up with? Reuters has their typical slide-shows but nothing of Erdy at the Airport like that.

    2. That is one weird ass photo.

      You go to the airport to get out of the country, right?

      It’s kind of odd that anyone would declare a coup without having Erdogan in custody, isn’t it?

      That’s one of the first things I’d want to have nailed down if I were orchestrating a coup.

      1. Many coups take place while the current strongman is out of the country.

  23. They should have shot Erdogan at the start.

    1. Looks like he had plenty of allies; not sure offing him would have done it.

      1. They’d all be fighting each other over who would replace him.

    2. Agreed, doesn’t look like it will succeed. Unfortunate, bc that guy is scum. His coziness with headchoppers is disgusting and they should be kicked out of NATO after the failed coup

      1. Yes. We should tell the Turks to hang him or face Putin alone.

        1. I’m kinda wondering of the US urged this. Obama seems to be realigning. Announcing cooperation with putin to fight alnusra, not just isis, which to now we’ve been coddling al nusra and ahra al sham.. It seems he’s ignoring the 51 idiots in State and forgetting about assad. For now at least.

        2. Yes, the Empire gets to dictate who rules the vassal states.

          1. I don’t think John intended any dictates. Just describing or actions (in a perfect world), sure, keep doing what you’re doing, we won’t step to protect you though

            1. *our actions

            2. Yeah, I wasn’t trying to put words in his mouth, just pointing out that, historically, empires do dictate who rules the vassal states.

              1. We’re the exception. Our vassal states rule us. Saudis, Israelis, etc.

    3. Erdogan strikes me as a hanging from a lamp post kind of guy.

      1. Aren’t most politicians?

        1. I’m not a real regular poster here. Just whenever I’m bored or worked up. But I like the cut off your jib.

          1. Hang around, bro. There’s more where that came from.

            1. Metaphorically speaking.

        2. But not judges or district attorneys.

          1. Yeah, there are better ways to handle them… mechanical ways…


              1. I don’t what you think I meant. I was referring to voting machines. You act like I was suggesting putting them through a woodchipper, or something.

                1. At a point, voting is going to seem more threatening even than a woodchipper.

          2. The front of the the fucking line.

      2. “Erdogan strikes me as a hanging from a lamp post kind of guy.”

        Il Duce approves.

    4. He was abroad.

      1. Wait, he’s transgendered?

  24. Hehe:

    voxdotcom: What we don’t know: Who exactly the coup leaders are, how much of the military is on either side, and why the coup was launched. #Turkey

    Ben Cohen: Wikipedia’s down and Ben Rhodes isn’t answering his phone

    1. Ben Rhodes isn’t answering his phone because he is conspiring determining all of the answers right now.

    2. David Burge ?@iowahawkblog 3h3 hours ago

      David Burge Retweeted Vox

      .@voxdotcom Don’t be so modest! There’s really no end to the stuff you don’t know.


    3. voxdotcom: What we don’t know-

  25. Isn’t coup 101 grabbing the President you’re opposed to? They staged a coup when the guy was out of the country and now he flies into the coup attempt?

    1. Nah, I think it’s pretty common to have the leader nothing to come home to. It just needs to be quick

    2. Is there a Coup for Dummies?

      1. Press F16 to bring up the fighter jet options.

        1. That’s actually pretty damn clever. You think that one up yourself? Or I have been decommissioned so long that longer getting the joke of the day email?

          1. Clever Girl

          2. I swear to god, I didn’t mean to reply so close to your reply. It’s just bedtime and I hit refresh. But, you are a clever girl.

    3. Many coups occur when the president is abroad. Coup 101 is to seize important infrastructure and paralyze/destroy counter-coup power structures.

    4. Not just grabbing. Killing. The Soviets fucked up.

  26. Aren’t we all, when it really comes down to it, just looking for a nice lady who will pay us in advance before she becomes a dog?

    1. Uh…. Do I want your newsletter?

  27. The government is already promising a purge/cleansing of the military, which is likely because the coup is not succeeding. Whatever the outcome, Turkey’s military power is about to be severely damaged. Good times for the PKK.

    1. Just because they are promising things doesn’t mean they are winning. Remember Baghdad Bob?

      1. I never said that. I am basing my assessment of what I am reading on the news. At the very least, the coup is not taking control of the whole country. Free Republic of Ankara?

    2. This whole thing could have been a setup for Erdogan to purge the government of his enemies and take power. If the coup fails, I predict he’ll be supreme leader of Turkey within 2 years.

      1. Reichstag Fire

        1. Night of long knives, too.

          1. Yeah, I have a sinking feeling that things are about to get very, very bloody. Erdogan is an evil Islamofacist bastard and the “Let us be in the EU” mask is about to slip. Big time.

  28. On the bright side, Libyan good-guy forces are slowly taking Sirte back from ISIS. They already drove them out of coastal areas. This will be a big loss for ISIS.


  29. So TFA is pretty good. Really pretty good. Loads of nostalgia, but the dialogue is great.

    1. Damn straight. Knew I could count on you to be decent and sensible.

    2. The Force Awakens was waaaayyyy too slavish to fanboy demands. Abrams is a hack director, can only imitate his idols Spielberg and Lucas. An actual director would have made his own movie instead of “soft-rebooting” A New Hope.

      The positive buzz was entirely because it didn’t suck and it was Star Wars with filmed the correct way, which is outdoors and not in a greenscreen room. That might make it entertaining but still ultimately disappointing because there’s nothing new added to this story we’ve all seen before.

      1. It’s called a ‘test drive’ and it was entirely necessary given the problems the series has had. Now Abrams (PBUH) can be bolder in the next movie-and he’d better be.

        You know what TFA added that hadn’t been seen before? Consistently good acting.

        1. The acting was passable but the story very clumsy. The only character I found interesting was Captain Phasma because letting Gwendolyn Christie use her actual voice was a smart way to make the character unsettling. And she’s on screen for like 5 minutes and gets casually tossed into a dumpster. Having her be the main villain instead of Emo McFuckface would have made it a lot better because it subverts the genre entirely.

          It was also a mistake to introduce the Supreme Leader guy. Less is always more with your Big Bad until you’re actually ready to give him/her something to do. The Emperor was so much more effective in RotJ because he had only appeared in one scene in the last movie.

          1. The story was no clumsier than the original. If Phasma was the only character you found interesting, then you’re dead inside and should seek help.

            “The Emperor was so much more effective in RotJ because he had only appeared in one scene in the last movie.”

            Was The Emperor really that effective in RotJ?

      2. It’s not a perfect movie. It’s not even a great movie. But it’s a perfectly watchable popcorn flick, and frankly I can see rewatching it a time or several. I’ve seen the Star Trek reboot countless times, and that’s far from being a perfect movie. (Seriously, Nimoy. “129 years from now, a star will explode and threaten to destroy the galaxy.” Really? Fucking really? The entire galaxy, Spock? One star?)

        But as far as pacing, dialogue, characters, and all the niggling little details that bring it together, TFA hits it on the head.

        1. I’m hoping Rey serves as a more consequential character than stereotypical good guy badass. She seems like she’s a truly transcendental force adept: if her spontaneous expertise is in fact a presage to coming difficulties… some bizarre amalgamation of good and evil, a true balancing of the force? then I’m pumped for the sequels.

          If it turns out she’s just uber powerful because the script needed it and, well, fuck the fanbase… meh.

    3. Kevin Spacey is Darth Kaiser. And he sees dead people.

  30. Financial markets are already feeling the effect. Bonds worth about $8 trillion now offer yields below zero.

    The zero bound is unbound.. Cue the war on cash.

    1. Because he should have shouted “Trump for president”?

    2. “Community groups and activists condemned the use of “stereotypes” for the exercise, with some raising concerns it would fuel anti-Muslim prejudice.”

      Yeah, because there is absolutely no at all reason why anyone would have a negative opinion of Islam.

      1. Good grief, no reason at all. All this Pig Latin is messing with my head. It’s like that time I took home wine-making classes and forgot how to drive.

        1. Yeah be careful with that. Sentence structure can be unique to specific languages.

  31. Re: Turkey:

    “European Council President Donald Tusk: ‘Tensions, challenges cannot be solved with guns. Military coups have no place in modern Turkey. No alternative to democracy, rule of law'”

    Gee, I wonder what he does for a living?

    1. Yeah the democracy fetish is getting weird. Especially with Turkey’s history. I mean, I can see how people need reminding occasionally about the dangers of democracy, but it’s not like you have to go back that far. Egypt is a pretty good, recent example.

      1. You know who else subverted a country via a democratic election?

  32. U.S. citizens should shelter in place and stay indoors;

    ‘Cause we’re sure as hell not going to save your ass.

    Obama Calls for … Support for Democratically-Elected Government

    Because we all know how much respect he has for the democratic process.

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