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Supreme Court Rules on Abortion, Resignations over Brexit Vote, Clinton and Warren Team Up: P.M. Links

Scott Shackford | 6.27.2016 4:30 PM

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    The Supreme Court today struck down abortion restrictions in Texas that required abortion clinics to have the same medical standards as surgical centers. The court also ruled that a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction could be used to ban firearm possession. And finally, the Supreme Court unanimously threw out former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's federal corruption conviction. That ruling may end up being important because the court declared that the definition of the crime must involve an "official action," and simply agreeing to talk to people or having meetings doesn't qualify.

  • Several high-ranking members of Britain's Labour Party have resigned in the wake of the U.K. vote to leave the European Union.
  • Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay and that it played any role in his attack on gay club Pulse.
  • Hillary Clinton and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are now besties. Donald Trump is not impressed.
  • The mayor of Sanford, Florida, was apparently carjacked by teens over the weekend.
  • Gov. Mike Huckabee has to pay $25,000 for playing "Eye of the Tiger" at a rally for Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis without paying for the rights.
  • Today's Twitter outrage comes courtesy of The Daily Show, which is apparently still on the air.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    ...the Supreme Court unanimously threw out former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's federal corruption conviction.

    BREAKING NEWS: Government officials unanimous that government officials shouldn't be jailed

    1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

      Hello.

      "Hillary Clinton and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are now besties. Donald Trump is not impressed."

      ..the Supreme Court unanimously threw out former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's federal corruption conviction."

      Sigh:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_J1yRCLS2A

      1. CE   9 years ago

        Warren looks exactly like Hitler in that picture.
        And Clinton looks even more terrifying, like Chancellor Palpatine.

        1. Austrian Anarchy   9 years ago

          Did Bob Corker accept as Clinton's running mate or not?

    2. The Fusionist   9 years ago

      If the liberals agreed to release a Rethuglikkkan, then maybe that means the defendant was not given his legal rights.

  2. __Warren__   9 years ago

    This is not the first post.

    1. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

      ceci n'est pas une fist

  3. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    Several high-ranking members of Britain's Labour Party have resigned in the wake of the U.K. vote to leave the European Union.

    THIS JUST IN: Self-determination is anathema to central planners

    1. Libertarian   9 years ago

      The Labour party is in chaos just because a popular vote went one way instead of another. And these are the people that the "beleavers" should have listened to?

  4. BiMonSciFiCon   9 years ago

    Today's Twitter outrage comes courtesy of The Daily Show, which is apparently still on the air.

    I hate the faux-outrage crap as much as the next guy, but that tweet was pretty vile.

    1. __Warren__   9 years ago

      Twitter + The Daily Show is a perfect storm of irrelevance.

    2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      "They realize this is as ghoulish as they find the cult of gun ownership, right?"

      Ummm... I don't...

      1. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

        How is it that laws that place too high of a restriction on a "right" that was found only by judges wearing Nick Cage's special Constitution Glasses? Especially when there doesn't seem to be any problem with DC or Chicago restricting the fuck out of people trying to exercise a right that is right there in the Bill of Rights?

        1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          If the DC law gets struck down again, can you imagine the NRA or Fox News tweeting

          "Celebrate this decision by going to DC and killing someone!!!!" ???

    3. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

      Meghan McCain matters.

      1. SugarFree   9 years ago

        That's who Twitter was made for, the briefly-hot-but-they kept-eating-for-some-reason.

        1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

          She is still trying to catch Commenter John's eye.

          1. SugarFree   9 years ago

            She needs ta shake dat ass.

            1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

              John is still in mourning over Septa Unella.

              1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

                Septa Unella.

                A full course of antibiotics should take care of that.

    4. DesigNate   9 years ago

      Oh my god, the comments, why did I read the comments?

      1. Jimbo   9 years ago

        Because you're a masochist?

  5. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

    Supreme Court unanimously threw out former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's federal corruption conviction. That ruling may end up being important because the court declared that the definition of the crime must involve an "official action," and simply agreeing to talk to people or having meetings doesn't qualify.

    Hillary Clinton is pleased with this ruling.

    1. Tonio   9 years ago

      [golf clap]

    2. Cyto   9 years ago

      Excellent. But I don't really see anyone even looking at the Clinton "gifts". The only people who talk about it are way-out right wing nutjobs.

      Perhaps everyone else knows something I don't know, but to me a couple hundred billion right before a big decision is prima-facia evidence of corruption. I've never heard a decent rebuttal. Nor have I heard a really in-depth accusation. It is weird. McDonnell's case was obvious because of the huge sums and luxury goods involved. But they wouldn't even be a month's interest on the Clinton Foundation donations. Not to mention the outrageous speaking fees.

      Remember when Newt Gingrich was going to get a million-dollar book advance and everyone was up in arms about the corruption, even though everyone agreed that his book would more than cover the advance? Well, how are these same folks so sanguine about a Secretary of State raking in speaking fees that are way, way outsized for what she brings to the table as a speaker? You could get Penn and Teller or Mac King to do a full show for less. Or Christina Aguilara, or any other pop star. And you probably wouldn't have to send a private jet. But you are gonna pay for the wow-factor of a Hill-dog speech? She's as dynamic as an endocrinologist's report.

      I really find it weird that nobody has done the deep dive on this stuff. Even the nutters take the initial denials from companies and move on.

  6. SugarFree   9 years ago

    Today's Twitter outrage comes courtesy of The Daily Show, which is apparently still on the air.

    Day-um, Scott.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

      I wonder if that shot is because the new host is black or foreign. I don't know what Shackford's prejudices are.

      1. SugarFree   9 years ago

        Scott hates Comedy Central, which is, I believe, technically sizism.

        1. Brett L   9 years ago

          It's definitely punching down.

          1. SugarFree   9 years ago

            Basic cable comedy is only comedy in a strictly Heisenbergian sense: if observed it simply disappears.

            1. Brett L   9 years ago

              Basic cable once gave us Liquid TV, Beavis & Butthead, and MST3K.

              1. SugarFree   9 years ago

                Now it gives us The Real Housewives of Whereeverthefuck, Nancy Grace, and the Kardashians.

                1. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

                  Which are all pretty fucking funny, in a completely unintentional way.

        2. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

          Scott is still bitter that Comedy Central canceled Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist.

          1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

            Is that the show where everyone had epilepsy?

            1. Brett L   9 years ago

              All the illustrators for certain.

          2. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

            My favorite Dr. Katz moment

          3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

            I'm bitter that Central canceled Katz.

            1. Stormy Dragon   9 years ago

              If Katz never gets cancelled, we don't get Home Movies or Archer. So as much as I liked the show, we're better off with it being gone.

      2. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

        I'm gonna say it was both. Just to be safe.

    2. BigT   9 years ago

      Celebrate the #SCOTUS ruling! Go knock someone up in Texas!

      ? The Daily Show

      Haha!! Good one! This is the kind of comedy that has been missing since the National Lampoon died. I really miss it.

      1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

        The Daily Show has sucked bushels of dick since Stewart left. It is now just a DNC cheer leading squad at a special ed school for the ugly.

        1. esteve7   9 years ago

          it wasn't that when Stewart was on?

          1. DenverJ   9 years ago

            It was anti-establishment when Bush was president. But when Obama took power, they kissed his ass.
            So, I agreed and liked the show when bush was prez, then disliked it.

            1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

              For the most part yes, but Stewart did criticize Obama now and then.

              1. Emmerson Biggins   9 years ago

                80% of those criticisms were the old "He's too incompetent to even beat the Republicans". At least from what I remember. Could definitely have selective memory about this though.

  7. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

    "Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay and that it played any role in his attack on gay club Pulse."

    They can't seem to find the smoking gun pole?

    1. JW   9 years ago

      Dude, it's only gay if you're catching.

      1. esteve7   9 years ago

        it's not gay if the balls don't touch

      2. DRM   9 years ago

        I never quite got this idea.

        I mean, it's the pitcher who has to get and maintain an erection at the thought of fucking another guy in the ass; the catcher just has to physically be there, not like the idea. It's plausible to claim being the catcher is womanly, but the pitcher is the one who has to be gay.

    2. JWW   9 years ago

      I am on pins and needles waiting for the government to come up with some reason, any reason for this senseless crime.

      I don't know, are they sure he didn't say anything or indicate his motives in some way???

      It is a baffling mystery.

  8. BiMonSciFiCon   9 years ago

    Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay and that it played any role in his attack on gay club Pulse.

    I guess we'll just never know, huh.

    1. thom   9 years ago

      Based on the 911 transcript that I read on some news site somewhere, I can't really see any other reason why he would have done it.

      1. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

        [Redacted]

      2. The Grinch   9 years ago

        He was trying to impress Jodie Foster.

  9. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

    Some abortion doc went off on a pro-life/anti-abortion/anti-choice/Christian Taliban protestor/griefer/terrorist

    ...and got himself in a little trouble.

    Last week, LifeNews reported on how a California pro-lifer captured his disturbing exchange with a notorious San Diego abortionist on video. Now, a local hospital has terminated its relationship with the abortion practitioner.

    Abortionist Robert Santella has a bad reputation with his patients, having faced several disciplinary measures from the California Medical Board. He also has been accused of injuring several patients in botched abortions.

    Recently, pro-life advocate Zephaniah Mel stood outside Santella's Family Planning Associates abortion clinic in San Diego and was approached by Santella. The 72-year-old abortionist's demeanor and remarks are extremely disturbing. At one point, Santella, in a demonic rant, told Mel that he "loves" aborting babies.
    Now, the pro-life group Operation Rescue says Santella has been dropped by a local hospital

    1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      Crazy rantings aside, 72 years old doctors performing unassisted surgical procedures is a little iffy to me.

      1. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

        Eh, in libertopia I'd say if they can satisfy their liability insurer and their patients, then have at it. Depending on the procedure, I'm sure you can probably still competently do your job at that age. That said, I think I'd prefer a younger doctor cutting into my heart or brain or something along those lines.

        1. RBS   9 years ago

          First we have to make an incision here then we cut this here and clamp over in China where I was stationed at the end of WWII my wife had a brand new Cadillac when I got back from the beach a couple of years ago to see my grand kids.

          1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

            You know, maybe not surgeon, but that sounds like one effective anesthesiologist.

            1. Ted S.   9 years ago

              Anyone can put you to sleep. The trick is waking you up again.

              (Apologies to any anesthesiologists in the commentariat.)

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

        Oh, now abortion is a "surgical procedure" eh? I see what you're doing here. Nice way to suggest it might be subject to some sort of regulation.

    2. R C Dean   9 years ago

      Abortionist Robert Santella has a bad reputation with his patients, having faced several disciplinary measures from the California Medical Board. He also has been accused of injuring several patients in botched abortions.

      But none of that was enough to get him kicked off the medical staff.

      Jeebus on a pogo stick.

      1. Illocust   9 years ago

        I'm pretty sure all complaints about abortion doctors in majority pro-abortion states get ignored. It's not worth the bad press to discipline them.

      2. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

        OK, I need context for "botched abortion" - did the patient die? Did it accidentally turn into birth, which means the fetus got Personhood and couldn't be finished off?

        Or was he like "Yup, all done" then few months later, out pops a screaming, bouncing baby?

        1. SugarFree   9 years ago

          It usually means they require follow-up medical care, from abnormal bleeding up to forgotten forceps.

          1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

            Isn't that kind of shit stuff malpractice suit nightmares are made of? Why would they keep him in the first case after "several botched abortions"?!

            Jesus, sounds like the pro-lifer did hospital a favor.

          2. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

            For some reason I read that as "forgotten biceps," which lead to very weird imaginary conversation in my head between a doctor and would-have-been mom.

          3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

            Is that a pair of forgotten forceps, or are you just happy to see me?

        2. Tonio   9 years ago

          Generally it means complications for the patient (who is not the fetus).

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

            I guess the question was, does that complication mean a bouncing baby boy!

            1. Tonio   9 years ago

              No, the guaranteed outcome of an abortion is that the fetus dies. That's the technically simple part.

              The "complications" (again, to the patient) are things like sepsis, hemmorhaging, etc.

        3. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

          Or was he like "Yup, all done" then few months later, out pops a screaming, bouncing baby?

          +1 Charlie Kelly

      3. invisible finger   9 years ago

        When you're selling discount abortions, you are motivated to keep your supplier.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    Hillary Clinton and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are now besties.

    Many squaw in same wigwam mean big wampum for campaign.

    1. R C Dean   9 years ago

      Just setting up the all-vagina ticket, is my guess.

      1. BigT   9 years ago

        Will their logo be a pair of scissors???

        1. PBR Streetgang   9 years ago

          Barf

        2. RBS   9 years ago

          Scissor me timbers!

        3. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

          Scissor me, Xerxes!

      2. PapayaSF   9 years ago

        You think they do that? Wow, what a way to lose even more of the male vote.

      3. kinnath   9 years ago

        Two twats in every pot.

      4. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

        Please no, not an all-vagina ticket. Like we need another SugarFree story that violates the Bechdel test.

    2. bacon-magic   9 years ago

      Chief Shitting Bull and Liawatha smokum peace pipe then bury hatchet in Pale Face's skull.

      1. bacon-magic   9 years ago

        I hope this isn't construed as a "Block Yomomma" comment.

    3. JW   9 years ago

      LILITH ADMINISTRATION

    4. Agent Cooper   9 years ago

      They're making plans on the lanai.

  11. This Machine   9 years ago

    Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay and that it played any role in his attack on gay club Pulse.

    What? No matter, too late to take back all that speculation now! Better double down on it!

  12. That's A Bingo!   9 years ago

    The mayor of Sanford, Florida, was apparently carjacked by teens over the weekend.

    Ban teens?

    1. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

      And cars. Just to be safe.

    2. Brett L   9 years ago

      Let's ban mayors and see what happens.

      1. Atanarjuat   9 years ago

        Speaking of which, did you hear Andrew Gillum (your old town of Tally's mayor) was called a "Democrat to watch" by the NYT?

        During the current presidential campaign, he has been vocal and ardent about putting Florida in the win column for Clinton in 2016, and his efforts along those lines are giving him state and national political contacts that could come in very handy.

        Yeah. You're right. Let's ban 'em.

        1. Brett L   9 years ago

          Well, he's black, smart, and doesn't abuse his wife, so he's probably got legs.*

          *I know Mr. Gillum a little bit, and I don't find him a bad guy. He's come out for several of my entrepreneurial friends' openings and events, including the grand opening of a craft brewery. He's everything I would want in a mayor, including, IIRC, given very few executive powers. As a "face", he's just fine. Do I want him for governor? Eh. Not less than any of the others I've lived under in FL.

          1. Atanarjuat   9 years ago

            I'm not looking forward to Governor Bondi, that's for sure.

    3. Ted S.   9 years ago

      If we have to have criminals, at least they're going after the State.

    4. Agent Cooper   9 years ago

      No, just ban Jack. That name is overused anyways.

  13. Tonio   9 years ago

    The mayor of Sanford, Florida, was apparently carjacked by teens over the weekend.

    In semi-related news, the career of SC Gov. Mark Sanford was recently hijacked by Argentines.

    1. Scarecrow & WoodChipper Repair   9 years ago

      Appalachian Trail, not Argentinian Tail!

      1. Atanarjuat   9 years ago

        Yeah but his amor was Argentinian.

    2. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      Luckily for him, the penalty was way off Mark.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    Gov. Mike Huckabee has to pay $25,000 for playing "Eye of the Tiger" at a rally for Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis without paying for the rights.

    For the Hucksterbee it's well worth it for the thrill of that fight.

    1. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

      He should have just played it as a cover with his band.

    2. bacon-magic   9 years ago

      Rising up to pay twenty five thousand. ???

    3. Libertarian   9 years ago

      He could easily raise that money by getting on Kickstarter and promising to never play that song again.

  15. Doctor Whom   9 years ago

    My proglodyte friends are reacting to the SCOTUS decisions exactly as they thought they would, namely, by saying that the right to an abortion is sacrosanct and that all other rights are subject to "reasonable" restrictions and by not explaining or even acknowledging the contradiction.

    1. JW   9 years ago

      It's right there in the 7 and1/2th Amendment, plain as day.

    2. Tonio   9 years ago

      Also, remember that the right to the state recognizing your marriage is a "basic human right." Icky gunz not so much, because racist.

      1. PapayaSF   9 years ago

        "But guns kill people, while abortion... oh, wait...."

        1. GamerFromJump   9 years ago

          BUNDLE OF CELLS, YOU SHITLORD!!!!eleventy!

      2. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

        Can we marry our guns???

    3. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      The penumbra is so big that it's casting a shadow on the rest of the document.

      1. Scarecrow & WoodChipper Repair   9 years ago

        +10 eclipsed

    4. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      Tell them we need to be more like France.

      1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

        I hate to be That Canadian (because we're no better), but on matters of cheese, you do.

        1. Atanarjuat   9 years ago

          And in m?nage ? trois matters, too. We have some things to learn from the froggies.

        2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          Well, they'll reflexively agree, and then discover what France's abortion laws actually are. Fun times.

        3. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

          "I hate to be That Canadian (because we're no better), but on matters of cheese, you do. .

          FTFY

          1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

            You are confusing me with Cytotoxic. My second will be contacting you.

    5. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

      It's basically like when a robot reasoned himself into a Zeroth Law of Robotics. The abortion rights have been reasoned into Zeroth Amendment, thus overriding all others.

    6. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      Government must regulate every aspect of everything, except abortion.

    7. thom   9 years ago

      It's simple. All the other rights are spelled out in the Bill of Rights, which specifically mentions due process that can be used to take those rights away. Abortion is not mentioned anywhere in the Bill of Rights, so it is not subject to that process for taking rights away. Duh.

    8. Free Society   9 years ago

      I find it interesting that as a matter of jurisprudence nearly any regulation of abortion, even those that are purportedly for health an safety reasons are considered an infringement on a right that's not even explicitly safeguarded in the Constitution. Meanwhile rights that are mentioned explicitly and without qualification are subject to quite nearly any restriction legislators can imagine, short of a complete and total ban.

  16. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

    Christians should apologise to gay people: Pope Francis

    Rome (AFP) - Pope Francis said that Christians and the Roman Catholic Church should apologise to gay people and seek their forgiveness for the way they have been treated.

    Speaking to reporters at he flew back to Rome from Armenia, the pope was asked if he agreed with comments by German Cardinal Reinhard Marx that the Church needed to say sorry for the way it has treated the gay community.

    "We Christians have to apologise for so many things, not just for this (treatment of gay people), but we must ask for forgiveness. Not just apologise -- forgiveness," he said.

    "The questions is: if a person who has that condition, who has good will, and who looks for God, who are we to judge?" the pope added, repeating his famous "Who am I to judge?" remark about homosexuality made early in his papacy.[...]

    Francis expanded his apology to also include other people who have faced discrimination.

    "I think that the Church not only should apologise... to a gay person whom it offended but it must also apologise to the poor as well, to the women who have been exploited, to children who have been forced to work."

    1. John   9 years ago

      Assuming gay people are living in sin and are not repenting, shouldn't Christians be apologizing for their failure to get them to repent? By failing to get gays to repent, Christians are ensuring their damnation. That sounds like a lot more apology worthy than "oh we were mean to you" does.

    2. Tonio   9 years ago

      I have it on good authority that this doesn't count because he said it on a plane and in the presence of press.

      All kidding aside, this is hopeful news but ultimately an empty gesture.

    3. waffles   9 years ago

      I'm convinced Francis is the antipope. Benedict is still out there looming, poping.

      1. Citizen X   9 years ago

        "They see me popin', they hatin'..."

      2. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

        God, yes. I want to see Benedict show up in Avignon, so they can excommunicate each other.

        It may have been evil and destructive on occasion, but medieval Catholic Church had an ethos, man. Several, in fact.

        1. SugarFree   9 years ago

          I assume two Popes in an excommunication fight is going to look a lot like a wand-duel in Harry Potter. Or at least it should.

          1. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

            Exactly like that, without the CGI.

            1. commodious   9 years ago

              So, two old men waving sticks at one another?

              Actually, that does sound entertaining.

              1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

                And shouting excerpts from Summa Theologica at each other.

                I'd pay to watch it!

              2. Pathogen   9 years ago

                More fun than you can shake a stick at...

        2. Agent Cooper   9 years ago

          Shadow Pope.

        3. GamerFromJump   9 years ago

          Anything that hastens the collapse of criminal enterprises masquerading as churches can only be good.

      3. Agent Cooper   9 years ago

        Nah. Benedict got "too old for this shit."

    4. Brett L   9 years ago

      I'm not sorry they're gay. I hope they are enjoying their life.

      1. R C Dean   9 years ago

        But the afterlife? They may not enjoy that so much.

        1. Brett L   9 years ago

          I may not either. Harps and church? Pfui. Give me Valhalla.

          1. R C Dean   9 years ago

            As I've said more than once:

            If you're right, I expect all my friends will be Down There anyway.

            1. Agent Cooper   9 years ago

              Retiring to Australia?

              1. R C Dean   9 years ago

                Not Down Under. Geez.

                1. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

                  It was a trick question.

                  He doesn't have any friends.

                  1. R C Dean   9 years ago

                    Bobarian's onto me!

            2. Ted S.   9 years ago

              In your pants?

            3. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

              Giving oral?

          2. End Child Unemployment   9 years ago

            This. I never understood why people wanted to believe in a god who would threaten you with eternal torment because 1) you were, through no action or fault of your own, born in sin, 2) for failing to understand semi-logical at best theology concerning his son's mortal sacrifice wiping your slate clean.

            1. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

              This is why you're going to hell.

              See ya there.

              1. End Child Unemployment   9 years ago

                Fuck that, I'm going to Valhalla. No puny, dead christian god can keep me from the glory I deserve.

            2. mad.casual   9 years ago

              I never understood why people looked to the State to validate or otherwise license their personal relationships. Looking to the Pope for the same makes just about the same amount of un-sense.

            3. Stormy Dragon   9 years ago

              #2 is especially odd given the reason for #1 is that we tried to learn the nature of good and evil without permission.

              Also, why is it that the Apostle Thomas, who spent years in Jesus's personal company, personally witnessed him performing miracles, and then personally witnessed him resurrected, but still wouldn't believe in his divinity until being allowed to personally examine the nail holes still gets to go to heaven, while the rest of us are expected to have no doubt at all based purely on a two thousand year old book of rather dubious origin?

            4. Something   9 years ago

              I'll never understand why people want to believe in Gravity when it keeps you stuck to the ground. This is what your argument sounds like to a Christian.

          3. End Child Unemployment   9 years ago

            This. I never understood why people wanted to believe in a god who would threaten you with eternal torment because 1) you were, through no action or fault of your own, born in sin, 2) for failing to understand semi-logical at best theology concerning his son's mortal sacrifice wiping your slate clean.

        2. Jerry on the rocks   9 years ago

          You just wait when they come with their drapes and pillows and table cloths.

        3. Jerry on the rocks   9 years ago

          You just wait when they come with their drapes and pillows and table cloths.

      2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

        Sorry, not sorry.

      3. mad.casual   9 years ago

        I'm not sorry they're gay. I hope they are enjoying their life.

        How about pity? I can certainly pity the people looking to the Pope to validate their sexual practices.

  17. Tonio   9 years ago

    The Supreme Court today struck down abortion restrictions in Texas that required abortion clinics to have the same medical standards as surgical centers.

    Finally a rollback of burdensome regulations upon which we can all agree.

  18. John   9 years ago

    I think the McDonald ruling is a good one. The law is so broad, it basically makes ordinary politics bribery. He was not guilty of a crime.

    1. Brett L   9 years ago

      I think quid pro quo, with the quo being something that requires an abuse of power (meeting with constituents is not) is an obvious bright line.

      1. John   9 years ago

        Yes. Exactly. Basically McDonald took the guy around and introduced him to people.

        1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

          Like the Hamburglar?

    2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      Your second sentence: "The law is so broad, it basically makes ordinary politics bribery. "

      does not square with your first sentence.

      1. John   9 years ago

        I think it does. The law is unconstitutionally broad. A law that is so broad you can't that it can criminalize anything is not a valid law.

        1. JWW   9 years ago

          I think the gist of Playa's comment is that nowadays all ordinary politics are bribery.

    3. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

      *McDonnell

      1. Citizen X   9 years ago

        Yeah, John's typos were making me hungry.

        1. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

          +1 Quarter Pounder with Graft.

          1. Libertarian   9 years ago

            The "McbRibe" sandwich?

    4. CE   9 years ago

      Ordinary politics is bribery. Favors promised for money, paid for with other people's money.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay...

    The Kenyan courts have a dignified way to help with that, I hear.

    1. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

      Was he lighter than a duck?

  20. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

    Today's Twitter outrage comes courtesy of The Daily Show, which is apparently still on the air.

    Oh, that show isn't going anywhere. There's too many white-guilt-ridden Stewart fanboys out there who know that the show stopped being funny long ago but can't bring themselves to stop watching it just in case doing so would be racist.

    1. Pathogen   9 years ago

      No, they failed in negotiations with Juicemaster? to fill that time-slot with an hour long infomercial...

  21. Brett L   9 years ago

    Too lazy to read the link, did Huckabee play a recording of Eye of the Tiger or did he cover Eye of the Tiger in public?

    1. Tonio   9 years ago

      The former, I believe.

      1. See Double You   9 years ago

        Would have to be, 'cause IIRC, covers are exempt from copyright claims.

        1. robc   9 years ago

          No, you still owe royalties.

        2. Rasilio   9 years ago

          No you still have to pay the songwriter and composer royalties, you just don't need to pay royalties to the musicians

    2. Ted S.   9 years ago

      As somebody whose high school mascot was the Tigers, let me say I really, really, really hate that song.

    3. JW   9 years ago

      Air drums.

  22. BiMonSciFiCon   9 years ago

    Gov. Mike Huckabee has to pay $25,000 for playing "Eye of the Tiger" at a rally for Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis without paying for the rights.

    Will the persecution of Christians in the U.S. never end?

    1. PapayaSF   9 years ago

      Cripes, that's what an ASCAP/BMI public performance violation costs?

      1. DRM   9 years ago

        Since he had claimed the campaign rally as an election expense, it counted as a commercial performance. So he settled with Rude Music out-of-court for $25,000.

    2. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

      And if it was to rally good Christians shouldn't they have played "Eye of the Lion"?

      I think the Romans threw them to the lions, not tigers.

    3. neoteny   9 years ago

      Did my time, took my chances

      Foreshadowing?

    4. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      He should have played Brown Eye For The Unmarried.

  23. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

    Parrot squawk 'evidence' in murder trial

    A prosecutor in Michigan is considering whether the squawkings of a foul-mouthed parrot may be used as evidence in a murder trial.

    Glenna Duram, 48, has been charged with murdering her husband, Martin, in front of the couple's pet in 2015.

    Relatives of the victim believe that the pet African Grey, named Bud, overheard the couple arguing and has been repeating their final words.

    The local prosecutor says it's unclear if the bird can be used as evidence.

    "It is something we are going to be looking at to determine if it's reliable to use or if it's information we need," Newaygo Country prosecutor Robert Springstead told the Detroit Free Press.

    Mrs Duram is accused of shooting her husband five times before turning the gun on herself in a failed suicide attempt.

    Mr Duram's ex-wife, Christina Keller, now owns Bud. She believes that he has been repeating the conversation from the night of the murder, which she says ends in the phrase "Don't shoot!", with an expletive added.

    1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      I'd give more weight to a parrot as a witness than a jailhouse informant. There's a 50% chance that the parrot is telling the truth.

    2. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

      "The murderer was... THE CRACKER SALESMAN!"

      1. Free Society   9 years ago

        Racist!

        1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

          So the whole time, Polly just wanted a white guy?

      2. PBR Streetgang   9 years ago

        So... the white guy?

      3. Sir Digby Chicken Caesar   9 years ago

        +1 racist avian

        1. Libertarian   9 years ago

          You know who else favored the avian race?

          1. Mr Drew   9 years ago

            Well done, sir.

          2. Agent Cooper   9 years ago

            Alfred Hitchcock?

    3. Tonio   9 years ago

      If you treated it as a tape recorder which would reliably reproduce what it heard then it's not really testimony, but is definitely getting into a [dons sunglasses] gray area.

      But the fact that the suspect has had the parrot since the event leaves open the possibility of evidence tampering.

    4. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

      Stooges already did it. Disorder In The Court.

    5. Agent Cooper   9 years ago

      What's the expletive? That could hold all the clues!

      1. Wasteland Wanderer   9 years ago

        In retrospect, finishing the phrase "Don't shoot" with "cunt" was a poor choice.

  24. R C Dean   9 years ago

    Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay and that it played any role in his attack on gay club Pulse.

    So glad we burned a lot of cycles on this pointless red herring, rather than, say, keeping track of his likely accomplice (his wife), who vanished immediately and who the FBI has admitted they have lost track of.

    1. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      The most important thing is KULCHER WAR, RC Dean. All other priorities are subordinate.

    2. mad.casual   9 years ago

      So glad we burned a lot of cycles on this pointless red herring, rather than, say, keeping track of his likely accomplice (his wife), who vanished immediately and who the FBI has admitted they have lost track of.

      Considering they interviewed him 3X and didn't discover that he was a violent sociopath, I'm assuming there are pictures of him on Tumblr somewhere with a dick up his ass (NTTAWWT) and the FBI hasn't found them yet.

  25. Scarecrow & WoodChipper Repair   9 years ago

    More than 20 members of Corbyn's "shadow Cabinet" -- experts in specific topics like health care or the economy

    "Experts" -- ha ha, that's a good one!

  26. Brett L   9 years ago

    So great to be back working from home. I am multi-tasking -- listening to pre-recorded training sessions, commenting here, and sipping my first cocktail while listening to my children shriek from afar. I may be "working" late tonight.

    1. JW   9 years ago

      while listening to my children shriek from afar

      They haven't figured out how to undo the knots yet?

      1. Brett L   9 years ago

        My wife also works from home as a full-time caregiver. I have a 10 month old who shrieks whenever he doesn't get picked up when he wants to be -- about 85% of the time. I have a 2.5 year old who shrieks whenever the 10 month old touches him or looks at the stuff he is playing with -- about 35% of the time. I make no judgement about her methods.

        1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          Good call on the cocktail. If you're working from home with a wife and 2 young kids there, it's the right thing to do. Hell, it would be wrong not to.

        2. JW   9 years ago

          I make no judgement about her methods.

          You should, or you'll be shrieking next.

          Kids learn to shriek and keep on shrieking, because it works to their advantage.

          1. End Child Unemployment   9 years ago

            How do you teach them not to shriek? Koreans seem to have the technology down pat, maybe I should ask some Koreans.

            Brotip: I suspect it involves beatings.

            1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

              No beatings.

              It's far easier than that.

              Just provide the proper incentive/disincentive structure.

              1. Brett L   9 years ago

                I'm not sure the ten month old understands yet. I pretty much just let him scream if I'm busy. She's got ovaries, so its harder on her, so she says.

                1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

                  My (most recent) kid started understanding around 9 months, plus or minus.

                  It's pretty easy to train them not to shriek for attention. The other stuff is more complicated.

                2. invisible finger   9 years ago

                  This would only be true if the shrieking was below 32 Hz

              2. End Child Unemployment   9 years ago

                Makes sense. Also good to know I made the right call about not having children.

              3. GamerFromJump   9 years ago

                Nerf ball gun.

            2. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

              How do you teach them not to shriek? Koreans seem to have the technology down pat, maybe I should ask some Koreans.

              Since you asked...

              1. Gene   9 years ago

                That was horrible, I assume Alda directed.

        3. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

          Every summer I have to retrain my sons.

          I work in the basement and during summer vacation they will come downstairs to yell, scream and fight with each other. When that happens I would find a chore for them outside and send them off to do it.

          After about a week, they learn to never come to the basement during working hours.

          I love working from home though. I shot a rabbit through the head with a pellet gun while I was calling in for the morning standup meeting. Teach that fucking rodent to stay out of my garden.

          1. Brett L   9 years ago

            Am I to understand that the rabbit exited under its own power? Or was that metaphorically teaching it a lesson?

            1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

              It was a lesson for his kids.

              1. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

                Well to the kids who are still among the living, it was.

            2. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

              I'm positing that the lack of recidivism in this particular dead bunny is proof that it learned the lesson to never try to steal my lettuce.

          2. KB Check Release   9 years ago

            Whenever I kill insects and other pests around my house I talk shit and then tell them, the deceased pests, to tell their friends.

            Doesn't usually work though.

    2. Ted S.   9 years ago

      I didn't realize you were Shriek's daddy.

    3. R C Dean   9 years ago

      So many euphemisms. How do you find the time?

    4. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

      ...sipping my first cocktail while listening to my children shriek from afar.

      When CPS shows up, none of us ever saw this post.

      1. R C Dean   9 years ago

        Say, has anyone seen OMWC recently?

        1. Free Society   9 years ago

          Hopefully not

        2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          He's lurking among us in disguise.

  27. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    Hillary Clinton and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are now besties. Donald Trump is not impressed.

    The flow of their donor cash is in danger of becoming synced.

    1. __Warren__   9 years ago

      Their moneystrail systems will be as one. If you listen closely you can even hear it drip: ka-ching ka-ching ka ching.

    2. R C Dean   9 years ago

      Warren is an expert in banking and finance.

      Hillary may have realized she needs somebody around to make sure her money laundering operation is nice and tight. Given the fiasco with her email server, probably not a bad idea.

      1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

        But Warren might make her stop!

      2. John   9 years ago

        She rolled out Warren in Ohio. I overheard the coverage of it this morning. Even CNN was like "who the fuck thought Warren would be a good campaigner in Ohio?"

        I am starting to think she is going to pick Warren as her running mate. Is there any better impeachment insurance than Fauxchohontas?

        1. invisible finger   9 years ago

          Maxine Waters

  28. PapayaSF   9 years ago

    Attention San Francisco-area Reasonoids! We have a meetup scheduled for Sunday afternoon, July 3rd. Email me (handle + gmail.com) if you want an invitation.

    1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      Is Sevo going to finally show this time?

      1. PapayaSF   9 years ago

        I haven't heard about this time, but he seems to feel that any gathering of four or more is too crowded.

        1. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

          He's never heard the saying "Wherever there are four of us gathered, there will always be a fifth"?

  29. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

    To provide context for why "Let's ignore referendum and fuck those who won" enrages me so much, here's Sargon of Akkad reading Hayek's exhortation to the British from Road to Serfdom.

    It is that the virtues which are held less and less in esteem and which consequently become rarer and precisely those on which the British people justly prided themselves and in which they were generally agreed to excel. The virtues possessed by Anglo-Saxons in a higher degree than most other people, excepting only a few of the smaller nations, like the Swiss and the Dutch, were independence and self-reliance, individual initiative and local responsbility, the successful reliance on voluntary activity, noninterference with one's neighbor and tolerance of the different and queer, respect for custom and tradition, and a healthy suspicion of power and authority.

  30. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

    So with all the celebration over Brexit, has there been any talk here of what good it might actually do? There's the symbolic power of people choosing to reject a larger, more centralized state apparatus, and that's not nothing. There's the emotional aspect of sticking it to technocratic dickbags, and that is nothing. In theory it sounds nice and the real-existing EU is terrible, but in this real world, is it a good thing and an increase in liberty? From a libertarian POV, what's the best case scenario here?

    Is it that this could lead to a quicker dissolution of the EU? Is that also a good thing? It's not clear that, if the EU falls, the economic trading zone will remain. It likely will for some countries, but if the EU spectacularly fails, it could cause a big retreat to old nationalist policies. It's good that the UK will be freer to create trade deals that don't cater to third parties, but those deals may be even more unbalanced towards helping big British companies rather than Italian or French companies.

    1. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

      In the EU, the relatively liberal states in the EU lose an influential voting ally. This could push the EU to be more regulatory and cronyist. In the UK, the vote may signal a push towards more mercantilist policies. Is there a good reason to think that either group will be pushed towards more liberty-oriented policies?

      It's like the common worry about possible American secessions: yay, we showed those fucking Feds, but damn, local governments are terrible. We want to think the UK is now free to appoint Daniel Hannan as Supreme Leader and work towards a reborn mercantile empire, but the Brits have had no problem spending and regulating themselves into poverty without the EU's help. Is there much reason for a libertarian to be optimistic?

      1. Brett L   9 years ago

        Are you suggesting that the fascists will take over after the Brits leave? Did Britain colonize Europe, too?

      2. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

        The way I look at it as a non-European who doesn't wade too much into their politics for the sake of the few threads of sanity I have left, if the UK is going to sink itself anyway, better they do it as an independent nation state rather than with their lips on the boots of a supranational god-state.

        1. Free Society   9 years ago

          Smaller states are less able to externalize costs across their population than larger states can. To cite an extreme example compare Lichtenstein and the US. The US could end all of it's free trade agreements and push for more "self-reliance" and sure while prices would rise, there is a large enough internal market (read division of labor) that the society in question could continue on relatively unscathed. If Lichtenstein up and decided to erect tariff walls and burdensome domestic regulation, it would either starve or drive away a large proportion of the population because it's internal market is not as large, it's division of labor under Lichtenstein's jurisdiction is not as redundant and diversified.

        2. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

          Right, general decentralization argument, which I think is a good presumption. And I do think, long-term, whatever moderating effect the UK had inside the EU would amount to little.

          But I also wonder... if Texas did leave the US, would we expect the US to improve? And would we really expect Texas to be all that much better?

          1. Free Society   9 years ago

            But I also wonder... if Texas did leave the US, would we expect the US to improve? And would we really expect Texas to be all that much better?

            No the US would not improve, but then this just means that the US is made better at the Texan's expense. It's in my interest in Ohio to have Texas producing some political stopping power to proggy Washington DC, insofar as they actually do that.

            It's in the Texan's best interest to leave so they won't have to bear the burden of the progtastic laws and regulations they must live under by virtue of the fact that they share a political union with the voters of California and New York.

          2. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

            I don't think it'll necessary be any better, but I also don't think it will change things as much as the doomsayers predict (same goes for a theoretical Texit). I suspect a lot of Americans who favored the Brexit did so out of the general Western inclination to root for the underdog, the 'murican inclination to support independence (at least in theory), and schadenfreude for the European neo-aristocracy who were so hell bent on preserving the union.

            1. Free Society   9 years ago

              and schadenfreude for the European neo-aristocracy who were so hell bent on preserving the union.

              At least they didn't take a page from Lincoln's Playbook of Preserving Unions.

              1. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

                Only because nobody in the EU aside from Britain has any military capability.

                1. Free Society   9 years ago

                  Another reason to leave the EU.

            2. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

              I don't think it'll necessary be any better, but I also don't think it will change things as much as the doomsayers predict (same goes for a theoretical Texit).

              Definitely, that's the only thing I'm sure of. That, and some near-term economic pain born from uncertainty. The UK can do just fine outside the EU. But will it be more libertarian, or more prosperous? And is there any solid reason to think the long-term prospects justify the short-term pain? We all hope so, especially since the rebuke to the EU feels so good, but I'm wondering if there's anything beyond hope and emotion.

      3. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

        UK elected Thatcher. Three times.

        EU is constitutionally incapable of the same.

        UK made EU more liberal. EU made UK more illiberal. If UK wants to be illiberal they can do so on their own, without having EU as an excuse.

        And EU might reform now that they lost 2nd largest economy. Remember, Cameron assumed they would give him something in the negotiations before referendum, and was sorely disappointed. Maybe this time they will learn.

    2. R C Dean   9 years ago

      has there been any talk here of what good it might actually do

      Giving the Brits a chance to fuck up on their own, rather than getting fucked up by a bunch of eurocrats, is a good in and of itself.

      Is it that this could lead to a quicker dissolution of the EU? Is that also a good thing?

      Yup. You don't need a meta-state to have free flow of capital, commerce, and people.

      1. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

        But they currently have a meta-state that allows a pretty good flow of capital and people. What they have right now, imperfect as it is, is functionally similar to Madison's federalist design, as imperfect as that has been here.

        If the people cheering for Brexit are generally anti-Federalists, that's cool, but it's that disconnect that's tickling me right now. I've seen Brexiters sneer that the EU is trying to make a United States of Europe; why are so many pro-Constitution people eager to see that fail?

        1. Free Society   9 years ago

          If a person values federalism, that means they value decentralized distributions of political power. Brexit represents decentralization vis a vis the EU and the UK perfectly. I don't really see how Brexit is a violation of the federalist principles ostensibly enshrined in the US Constitution. What's your argument, that the United States of Europe would functionally offer what the US Constitution does?

          1. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

            That the Constitution was drafted in large part to regulate commerce among the states as the EFTA does, and Madison's argument about factions applies to the EU. They are different institutions, and there is a whole lot wrong with the EU as it exists, but I think the core of the federalist arguments apply.

            Which is not a problem if you don't find Madison convincing.

            1. invisible finger   9 years ago

              It took us almost 200 years before DC tore the Constitution to shreds. It took Brussels less than 20 years to tear up the EU constitution.

    3. R C Dean   9 years ago

      if the EU spectacularly fails, it could cause a big retreat to old nationalist policies

      There's no "if" about it. The EU will spectacularly fail. It is fundamentally flawed. The more embedded the meta-state is, the more damage its failure will do.

      1. invisible finger   9 years ago

        I wonder if the EU could have even existed in the first place without NATO.

        There were already rumblings about the US and EU forming an economic union,. so Brexit nips that shit in the bud. THAT'S the good Brexit did.

    4. Illocust   9 years ago

      It being the UK they are just as likely to over regulate and embrace socialism with or without the EU's help. At least it will be their own damn fault, though. Crashing because your a dumb ass who speeds is preferable to crashing because someone stole your keys.

  31. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

    Today's Twitter outrage comes courtesy of The Daily Show, which is apparently still on the air.

    Ouch.

  32. lap83   9 years ago

    The Supreme Court today struck down abortion restrictions in Texas that required abortion clinics to have the same medical standards as surgical centers.

    On another site, I forget which, they had some accompanying photos of women crying hysterically with joy at this news. I'm sorry, I don't get it. I could see doing so if the restrictions being lifted were of FDA bans of live-saving medications, but the emotion with this just seems disproportionate.

    1. Brett L   9 years ago

      Was she formerly abused by her step-father and forced to give birth? Because I could be sympathetic to her in that case. Or if it was Elizabeth Smart.

    2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      "they had some accompanying photos of women crying hysterically with joy at this news. "

      That's not an appropriate reaction at all. Not "normal". You have to wonder how they think this will change their lives.

      If someone wants to start a gofundme to provide them with free hysterectomies, I'll throw down some cash.

      1. R C Dean   9 years ago

        I say it more and more often:

        "These people have lost their fucking minds."

        1. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

          I keep trying to say that phrase over and over again to see if something cool like Hodor would come out, but so far nothing catchy.

      2. lap83   9 years ago

        Yeah, I just think they'd be better off not taking politics so personally. They must be miserable.

      3. See Double You   9 years ago

        Sometimes cheers and tears are a sign of malice, not happiness. When progs cheer a decision, it's usually because someone they hate is getting fucked.

  33. rts   9 years ago

    Hilarious if true:

    English will not be an official EU language after Brexit, says senior MEP

    "We have a regulation ? where every EU country has the right to notify one official language," H?bner said. "The Irish have notified Gaelic, and the Maltese have notified Maltese, so you have only the U.K. notifying English."

    "If we don't have the U.K., we don't have English," H?bner said.

    1. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

      Who is the fishface on the right of that photo?

      1. B.P.   9 years ago

        An expert who makes all the right decisions for others.

    2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      So... Arabic?

      *ducks*

    3. thom   9 years ago

      So Irish people will have to fill out their forms in Gaelic? Nice.

    4. Illocust   9 years ago

      They'll interpret their way around this. The older bureaucrats won't be willing to learn another language.

    5. R C Dean   9 years ago

      OMG! English won't be an official language of a government they aren't subject to!

      Isn't it the case in most of the world that the government hasn't designated English as an official language?

      1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

        Malta and Ireland both use English as their main language is the sticking point. According to Wikipedia, in Ireland

        an estimated 10% (400,000+) of the population of the Republic who would be classified as fluent, near fluent or reasonably good passive speakers

        (passive speaker means they can understand Gaelic but aren't fluent speakers of it)

    6. waffles   9 years ago

      The Anglosphere is the best sphere anyway.

    7. ant1sthenes   9 years ago

      What if Scotland breaks away and joins the EU?

      1. Chip Woodier   9 years ago

        +1 Hadrian's Second Wall

  34. rts   9 years ago

    North Vancouver mayor pushes plan for cigarette butt deposit

    Darrell Mussatto says smokers would pay an extra five cents per cigarette in a pack, which would be returned once they bring the butts back ? along with the specially marked cigarette pack ? to a designated depot.

    1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

      Holy shit, he outderped Major Robertson of Vancouver Proper. That kind of achievement should be recognized!

      1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

        Did Domenic DaVinci ever make it to Mayor? If so, bring him back!

    2. Pope Jimbo   9 years ago

      THAT IS MY IDEA!

      I don't mind the smokers much except that they are fucking litterbugs. Us drunks have learned to stop throwing cans out our car windows, so why can't the smokers throw their butts into the trash?

      I'd also like to point out that it would be fucking awesome to see the homeless cash in big time by scouring the city for butts.

      1. Atanarjuat   9 years ago

        My parents used to make me pick up soggy butts from in front of their business every few weeks, as if I was a common orphan. I agree with you, that or cat o' nine tails.

      2. rts   9 years ago

        But the homeless won't have the "specially marked cigarette pack", which doesn't mean you can get the "bounty" (as in the case of cans).

  35. (((Renegade)))   9 years ago

    Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay and that it played any role in his attack on gay club Pulse.

    Narrative Collapse Collapse.

    1. John   9 years ago

      I guess we will never know why he did it.

      1. __Warren__   9 years ago

        But what else could it be?

        1. John   9 years ago

          I don't know. If only these lunatics would tell use. You know, like maybe call a TV station in the middle of the act and say why they are doing it. Something like that. But life will never be that obvious, right?

        2. Atanarjuat   9 years ago

          He internalized right-wing Christian anti-gay hate. It's our fault, as Americans, really.

          1. Pan Zagloba   9 years ago

            Oooh, and cops don't see it because they internalized it too?

            Thank you, now everything makes sense!!!

          2. John   9 years ago

            That is right. It was that and guns. So a Muslim guy kills a bunch of gays in Orlando and as a result of that, all of the gays in Oklahoma need to give up their guns.

    2. Tonio   9 years ago

      Narrative Collapse Disorder.

      1. R C Dean   9 years ago

        I think the original "Hive Collapse Disorder" works just as well.

  36. Ted S.   9 years ago

    Ah, perpetually overrated England.

  37. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

    Judge who sentenced Stanford swimmer Brock Turner, 20, to six months for rape will hand down three year sentence to Latino man, 32, charged with nearly identical crime

    In the Ramirez case, the 32-year-old was arrested in his Santa Clara County home in November 2014 after his female roommate called 911.

    She said the Ramirez had sexually assaulted her by going in to her bedroom and, against her wishes, touched her intimately for about ten minutes before she started crying.

    He then stopped and when police arrived he admitted to the assault and 'wanted to say sorry', one officer wrote in a police report.

    I am outraged that Scott did not list this as his outrage of the day. !! !! !! !!

    1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

      His bail was set at $200,000, which is $50,000 more than Turner's $150,000.

      Persky handled the hearings and oversaw the plea agreement from Ramirez's case, the Guardian reported.

      Ramirez agreed to plead guilty to a felony of sexual penetration by force and his three year sentence will be formalized soon.

      In the Ramirez case, Persky could only offer certain sentences due to the felony conviction, but others claim the judge, who was also a former Stanford athlete, went above and beyond to ensure a light sentence for Turner.

      Critics suggest Persky could've helped Ramirez plead guilty to the lesser of two charges he was facing, which could've helped Ramirez avoid prison all together.

      That tactic was used in the Turner case to lessen his sentence.

      1. RBS   9 years ago

        Ramirez agreed to plead guilty to a felony of sexual penetration by force

        So, it's not really the same at all.

        1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

          The Guardian has more details:

          Ramirez gave the woman a "love letter" and later entered her bedroom and fingered her for about five to 10 minutes against her will, according to a police report, and stopped only when she started crying.
          When police arrived, he admitted to the assault. "Ramirez knew what he did was wrong and he wanted to say sorry," one officer wrote.

          Persky could have approved or helped negotiate a bargain in which Ramirez only pleaded guilty to the lesser of two charges he was facing ? assault with intent to commit rape. If the more serious charge was dropped ? as was the case with Turner, who had two rape charges dropped ? Ramirez could have potentially avoided prison.
          Michele Landis Dauber, the Stanford professor leading the recall, said the Ramirez case was further evidence that the judge should be removed. "This just shows that our concern about Judge Persky's ability to be unbiased is justified. We continue to think that he abused his discretion in giving an unduly lenient sentence to Turner," he said.

          Turner has continued to blame his assault on a "party culture" of "drinking", claiming that the woman consented, even though police and others confirmed that she was unconscious. Ramirez pleaded guilty and, according to police accounts, apologized.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      So...the judge learned his lesson and isn't going to hand down another light sentence for rape?

    3. John   9 years ago

      This is outrageous. I can't see what justifies this guy getting three years other than he is poor and the other guy is a rich college kid.

      Yeah he is older but that shouldn't make that much difference. The victim is a lot more sympathetic but that shouldn't matter.

      I guess you could say this guy is a racist. Or you could also say that after the shit he took over the other case, he is never going to let anyone convicted of a sex crime off easy again. I don't know. Only the judge knows for sure. But I think it is at least possible, he generally gave lighter sentences for these kinds of things and would have given this guy a light sentence had it not been for the shit storm over the other case.

      So congratulations feminists, you just got some Central American guy two extra years in prison.

      1. __Warren__   9 years ago

        The thing is had the judge gave the swimmer guy an 18-24 month term we never would have heard about it. And after he got out he would have faded unnoticed right back into the population. Instead he got six months and he can never be anonymous again.

        I think that's worse than a two-year prison term.

        1. See Double You   9 years ago

          I think that's worse than a two-year prison term.

          In some sense, yes. However, Turner at least has family he can turn to should he need provisions. I doubt Ramirez has anyone he could turn to, and good luck making a life for yourself after a felony conviction. In other words, Ramirez is looking at permanent pauper status.

        2. John   9 years ago

          That is a good point. I hadn't thought of that. And worse, everyone in prison knows who he is. If nothing else, his time in prison is going to be a hundred times worse.

    4. See Double You   9 years ago

      Did the guy have prior convictions?

      1. John   9 years ago

        That is what I wondered as well. If he didn't, I think it is more likely that this judge has learned his lesson and is going to start hammering people than it is he is some kind of racist with a soft spot for white college athletes.

        1. See Double You   9 years ago

          I read the article, and it doesn't say. Of course, Ramirez, being "very poor," probably did not have very good legal representation. I'll bet Turner's lawyer(s) assisted the judge with his sentencing decision.

          1. John   9 years ago

            Yes but the judges can see through that. A good lawyer only goes so far.

            1. See Double You   9 years ago

              I agree with you that the Turner fiasco probably had some effect on Persky's sentencing decision. And I don't see how that makes the feminists' case for the judge's bias; the crux of the feminists' argument in the Turner case was that the judge deprived the female victim of justice with a lenient sentence for a male perpetrator. Now they are arguing that this decision is evidence of racial, as opposed to gender, bias. These are two different arguments that don't necessarily fit together. As you say, Persky just as likely could be bowing down to the feminists' demands, and his decision had nothing to do with bias.

              1. RBS   9 years ago

                I wonder what they think the appropriate punishment is for a brown guy fingering a woman against her will?

  38. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

    These douchebags have received the Daily Mail treatment: The hills are alive with the sound of vomit: Wedding announcement of Von Trapp singers' great-grandson could be the most cringe-worthy love story of all time

    The couple created a 16-page illustrated pamphlet to guide the 172 guests through the carefully curated nuptial Mass...Along with many prayers, blessings and readings, there were 15 different pieces of music performed. Mr. Peters described the music as: "Joyful, rich, lush. Lush like a forest, not like an alcoholic."

    Good God.

    1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

      Divorce within three months.

      Fight over who needs to take out the garbage.

      1. Ted S.   9 years ago

        Taking out the garbage isn't one of their favorite things.

        1. lap83   9 years ago

          "sixteen (banana peels) going on seventeen"

      2. Agent Cooper   9 years ago

        Oh please. They'll have professional garbage handlers.

        1. Sir Digby Chicken Caesar   9 years ago

          I believe they've already started vetting candidates for the job.

      3. Stormy Dragon   9 years ago

        Divorce within three months.

        o/~ So long, farewell, aufwiedersehn, goodbye! o/~

      4. Libertarian   9 years ago

        "Divorce within three months."

        Are we sure the wedding will be over by then?

    2. thom   9 years ago

      Wedding ceremonies should be 15 minutes, tops. I followed this guideline with my own wedding and I generally expect the same level of respect.

      1. RBS   9 years ago

        Same here. 15 minutes of ceremony and hours of drinking and eating after.

        1. mad.casual   9 years ago

          I will tolerate an hour if the bar is open.

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

          The drinking should last until the divorce.

    3. Ted S.   9 years ago

      Lush like a forest, not like an alcoholic.

      Whoever came up with this line wins one internet.

      I've always thought The Sound of Music would have been a better musical if they changed the story to have the Nazis catch the Von Trapps before they could escape.

    4. lap83   9 years ago

      I kind of like The Sound of Music, but themed weddings are obnoxious.

    5. The Fusionist   9 years ago

      It sounds really sweet, but they shouldn't have pimped their wedding story for the NYT, they should have saved it for family get-togethers. Or a memoir down the line.

    6. JG43   9 years ago

      Huh. I used to work with a Trap (they dropped the von after settling in the midwest) in the Champaign/Decatur area. Good guy but wrapped too tight around the axle most of the time.

  39. Tak Kak   9 years ago

    "Hillary Clinton and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are now besties. Donald Trump is not impressed."

    Warren as VP Nom. could be great for Trump, might be wise for him to stay quiet here.

    1. PapayaSF   9 years ago

      No kidding. Hillary has already alienated men in droves. An all-granny ticket seems ill-advised.

  40. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

    So. Can you imagine the sex in Iceland right now? Caligula approves!

    1. Juvenile Bluster   9 years ago

      So many "Second Brexit" headlines tomorrow.

      At least this means Roy will be fired. Us Liverpool supporters still don't understand why he was hired in the first place.

    2. John   9 years ago

      What am I missing? Why is Iceland having any more sex than usual?

      1. Juvenile Bluster   9 years ago

        They beat England in the European Football Championships round of 16. Probably the biggest upset of England since they lost to the USA in the 1950 World Cup.

        1. John   9 years ago

          I just realized that. God they are hopeless. How does England such that bad? They are worse than Wales. And they seem to be getting worse. Before this, they just lost to the good teams like Germany and Spain but at least they generally beat the bad teams. Now they can't even do that.

          1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

            A deeply seated inferiority complex that is intricately tied in with English football identity.

          2. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

            They lost to another great team: Italy. Twice.

    3. John   9 years ago

      The Euros. God those fucking Limeys are hopeless. Just fucking hopeless.

      And one aside, as a soccer fan can you tell how Spain went from having what many considered the best team ever in 2010 and 2012 to getting run out by the Italians in just four years? How did they get that good and then fall so flat?

      1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

        Aging players plus coaches figured out that a lightning quick counter attack can neutralize tiki-taka.

        1. Ted S.   9 years ago

          -1 Antoine Griezmann.

          At least Pep is taking tiki-taka to Man City now.

      2. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

        They had a nice run. Dynasties come to an end.

        Italy played them the toughest in those years. No surprise they would do the duty.

    4. __Warren__   9 years ago

      St. George is possibly the Worst. Saint. Ever.

  41. Jerry on the rocks   9 years ago

    Bud Spencer is dead.

    1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      RIP, Bud. Sad news. At least we still have Terence Hill's dreamy blue eyes.

  42. invisible finger   9 years ago

    Names on no-fly list entered because quota.

    http://lawofficer.com/2016/06/.....eet-quota/

  43. R C Dean   9 years ago

    Well, looks like the Commies started the brawl with the Nazis after all.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/l.....story.html

    No arrests (yet).

    1. invisible finger   9 years ago

      Gotta love the inherent Untermensch mentality of the police:

      "At the Sacramento rally Sunday, seven people were stabbed and nine were hospitalized.

      Granada said more than 100 CHP and Sacramento police officers were at the park to keep the peace...'Luckily there were no injuries to officers, tourists or people of the general public.' "

      1. Agent Cooper   9 years ago

        General Republic?

        Tenderness, where is the
        Tenderness, where is it
        I don't know where I am but I know I don't like it
        I open my mouth and out pops something spiteful
        Words are so cheap
        But they can turn out expensive
        Words like conviction can turn into a sentence

        1. Agent Cooper   9 years ago

          Duh, Public, not Republic. My left arm for an edit button.

  44. The Fusionist   9 years ago

    "Gov. Mike Huckabee has to pay $25,000 for playing "Eye of the Tiger" at a rally for Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis without paying for the rights."

    I guess it would be too much to ask that the real Kim Davis story gets mentioned - Kentucky just passed a law that clerks' names and authorizations will be taken off of marriage licenses, which is of course what Davis demanded, and she is currently claiming victory.

    Why is this less relevant that a copyright story?

    1. The Fusionist   9 years ago

      *than* a copyright story

    2. The Fusionist   9 years ago

      And the people who are suing her agree with her that the case should be dropped, according to the fundamentalist zealots at the Huffington Post

      "Notably, the legal team for the same-sex couples who were turned away by Davis ? they were seeking licenses after the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage nationwide ? will not oppose the clerk's latest move.

      ""We agree that Kim Davis's appeals should be dismissed," Daniel Canon, one of those lawyers, said in an email to The Huffington Post. "Once the new Kentucky law becomes effective, all loving couples seeking to obtain marriage licenses will be able to do so on an equal basis.""

  45. Austrian Anarchy   9 years ago

    Nothing about Apple refusing to work the Republican convention over matters of corporate conscience? They are acting like they were asked to decorate a wedding cake or something.

    1. Libertarian   9 years ago

      Why can a baker be forced to do something, but a major computer company cannot?

      1. Austrian Anarchy   9 years ago

        Yea, that's what I want to know too.

      2. Austrian Anarchy   9 years ago

        And this particular computer company demanded that force be used if a business choses not to provide a service http://www.cnet.com/news/apple.....i-gay-law/

      3. Peace Be Upon [REDACTED], Jr.   9 years ago

        Why can a baker be forced to do something, but a major computer company cannot?

        It depends on the something.

  46. Troy Woodchipper   9 years ago

    So a misdemeanor conviction can cost you your 2nd amendment rights? But if you are one of the elite (say a governor) well then, apparently the rules are different. SCOTUS is making that very high bar.

    Fuck this banana republic.

  47. Bill Dalasio   9 years ago

    "Stronger Together"

    Like this stick. On its own, even a child can snap it in two. But, bundle a bunch of them together....

    1. __Warren__   9 years ago

      Fascinating.

      1. Bill Dalasio   9 years ago

        What you did there, I saw that.

        1. The Fusionist   9 years ago

          speak softly, and carry a bundle of sticks

          1. __Warren__   9 years ago

            I'm going to use that as my sig at Fascbook.

          2. lap83   9 years ago

            that is awesome

  48. JW   9 years ago

    Lilith Fair Performers, Attendees Achieve Largest-Ever Synchronized Ovulation

  49. thom   9 years ago

    No, it's a great ALBUM name. Don't worry, people make this mistake all the time.

  50. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

    Botched Abortions?

    So...the baby was carried to term and born?

  51. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

    by Rapers?

  52. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

    Oops, there was more to the band name, but I forgot to special character the ampersand.

  53. Brett L   9 years ago

    Cannibal Corpse, its a throwback, spiritual successor to "Butchered at Birth"

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