Supreme Court Rules on Abortion, Resignations over Brexit Vote, Clinton and Warren Team Up: P.M. Links

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Mark Lyons/EPA/Newscom The Supreme Court today struck down abortion restrictions in Texas that required abortion clinics to have the same medical standards as surgical centers. The court also ruled that a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction could be used to ban firearm possession. And finally, the Supreme Court unanimously threw out former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's federal corruption conviction. That ruling may end up being important because the court declared that the definition of the crime must involve an "official action," and simply agreeing to talk to people or having meetings doesn't qualify.
- Several high-ranking members of Britain's Labour Party have resigned in the wake of the U.K. vote to leave the European Union.
- Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay and that it played any role in his attack on gay club Pulse.
- Hillary Clinton and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are now besties. Donald Trump is not impressed.
- The mayor of Sanford, Florida, was apparently carjacked by teens over the weekend.
- Gov. Mike Huckabee has to pay $25,000 for playing "Eye of the Tiger" at a rally for Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis without paying for the rights.
- Today's Twitter outrage comes courtesy of The Daily Show, which is apparently still on the air.
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...the Supreme Court unanimously threw out former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's federal corruption conviction.
BREAKING NEWS: Government officials unanimous that government officials shouldn't be jailed
Hello.
"Hillary Clinton and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are now besties. Donald Trump is not impressed."
..the Supreme Court unanimously threw out former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's federal corruption conviction."
Sigh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_J1yRCLS2A
Warren looks exactly like Hitler in that picture.
And Clinton looks even more terrifying, like Chancellor Palpatine.
Did Bob Corker accept as Clinton's running mate or not?
If the liberals agreed to release a Rethuglikkkan, then maybe that means the defendant was not given his legal rights.
This is not the first post.
ceci n'est pas une fist
Several high-ranking members of Britain's Labour Party have resigned in the wake of the U.K. vote to leave the European Union.
THIS JUST IN: Self-determination is anathema to central planners
The Labour party is in chaos just because a popular vote went one way instead of another. And these are the people that the "beleavers" should have listened to?
Today's Twitter outrage comes courtesy of The Daily Show, which is apparently still on the air.
I hate the faux-outrage crap as much as the next guy, but that tweet was pretty vile.
Twitter + The Daily Show is a perfect storm of irrelevance.
"They realize this is as ghoulish as they find the cult of gun ownership, right?"
Ummm... I don't...
How is it that laws that place too high of a restriction on a "right" that was found only by judges wearing Nick Cage's special Constitution Glasses? Especially when there doesn't seem to be any problem with DC or Chicago restricting the fuck out of people trying to exercise a right that is right there in the Bill of Rights?
If the DC law gets struck down again, can you imagine the NRA or Fox News tweeting
"Celebrate this decision by going to DC and killing someone!!!!" ???
Meghan McCain matters.
That's who Twitter was made for, the briefly-hot-but-they kept-eating-for-some-reason.
She is still trying to catch Commenter John's eye.
She needs ta shake dat ass.
John is still in mourning over Septa Unella.
Septa Unella.
A full course of antibiotics should take care of that.
Oh my god, the comments, why did I read the comments?
Because you're a masochist?
Supreme Court unanimously threw out former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's federal corruption conviction. That ruling may end up being important because the court declared that the definition of the crime must involve an "official action," and simply agreeing to talk to people or having meetings doesn't qualify.
Hillary Clinton is pleased with this ruling.
[golf clap]
Excellent. But I don't really see anyone even looking at the Clinton "gifts". The only people who talk about it are way-out right wing nutjobs.
Perhaps everyone else knows something I don't know, but to me a couple hundred billion right before a big decision is prima-facia evidence of corruption. I've never heard a decent rebuttal. Nor have I heard a really in-depth accusation. It is weird. McDonnell's case was obvious because of the huge sums and luxury goods involved. But they wouldn't even be a month's interest on the Clinton Foundation donations. Not to mention the outrageous speaking fees.
Remember when Newt Gingrich was going to get a million-dollar book advance and everyone was up in arms about the corruption, even though everyone agreed that his book would more than cover the advance? Well, how are these same folks so sanguine about a Secretary of State raking in speaking fees that are way, way outsized for what she brings to the table as a speaker? You could get Penn and Teller or Mac King to do a full show for less. Or Christina Aguilara, or any other pop star. And you probably wouldn't have to send a private jet. But you are gonna pay for the wow-factor of a Hill-dog speech? She's as dynamic as an endocrinologist's report.
I really find it weird that nobody has done the deep dive on this stuff. Even the nutters take the initial denials from companies and move on.
Today's Twitter outrage comes courtesy of The Daily Show, which is apparently still on the air.
Day-um, Scott.
I wonder if that shot is because the new host is black or foreign. I don't know what Shackford's prejudices are.
Scott hates Comedy Central, which is, I believe, technically sizism.
It's definitely punching down.
Basic cable comedy is only comedy in a strictly Heisenbergian sense: if observed it simply disappears.
Basic cable once gave us Liquid TV, Beavis & Butthead, and MST3K.
Now it gives us The Real Housewives of Whereeverthefuck, Nancy Grace, and the Kardashians.
Which are all pretty fucking funny, in a completely unintentional way.
Scott is still bitter that Comedy Central canceled Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist.
Is that the show where everyone had epilepsy?
All the illustrators for certain.
My favorite Dr. Katz moment
I'm bitter that Central canceled Katz.
If Katz never gets cancelled, we don't get Home Movies or Archer. So as much as I liked the show, we're better off with it being gone.
I'm gonna say it was both. Just to be safe.
Haha!! Good one! This is the kind of comedy that has been missing since the National Lampoon died. I really miss it.
The Daily Show has sucked bushels of dick since Stewart left. It is now just a DNC cheer leading squad at a special ed school for the ugly.
it wasn't that when Stewart was on?
It was anti-establishment when Bush was president. But when Obama took power, they kissed his ass.
So, I agreed and liked the show when bush was prez, then disliked it.
For the most part yes, but Stewart did criticize Obama now and then.
80% of those criticisms were the old "He's too incompetent to even beat the Republicans". At least from what I remember. Could definitely have selective memory about this though.
"Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay and that it played any role in his attack on gay club Pulse."
They can't seem to find the smoking gun pole?
Dude, it's only gay if you're catching.
it's not gay if the balls don't touch
I never quite got this idea.
I mean, it's the pitcher who has to get and maintain an erection at the thought of fucking another guy in the ass; the catcher just has to physically be there, not like the idea. It's plausible to claim being the catcher is womanly, but the pitcher is the one who has to be gay.
I am on pins and needles waiting for the government to come up with some reason, any reason for this senseless crime.
I don't know, are they sure he didn't say anything or indicate his motives in some way???
It is a baffling mystery.
Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay and that it played any role in his attack on gay club Pulse.
I guess we'll just never know, huh.
Based on the 911 transcript that I read on some news site somewhere, I can't really see any other reason why he would have done it.
[Redacted]
He was trying to impress Jodie Foster.
Some abortion doc went off on a pro-life/anti-abortion/anti-choice/Christian Taliban protestor/griefer/terrorist
...and got himself in a little trouble.
Crazy rantings aside, 72 years old doctors performing unassisted surgical procedures is a little iffy to me.
Eh, in libertopia I'd say if they can satisfy their liability insurer and their patients, then have at it. Depending on the procedure, I'm sure you can probably still competently do your job at that age. That said, I think I'd prefer a younger doctor cutting into my heart or brain or something along those lines.
First we have to make an incision here then we cut this here and clamp over in China where I was stationed at the end of WWII my wife had a brand new Cadillac when I got back from the beach a couple of years ago to see my grand kids.
You know, maybe not surgeon, but that sounds like one effective anesthesiologist.
Anyone can put you to sleep. The trick is waking you up again.
(Apologies to any anesthesiologists in the commentariat.)
Oh, now abortion is a "surgical procedure" eh? I see what you're doing here. Nice way to suggest it might be subject to some sort of regulation.
Abortionist Robert Santella has a bad reputation with his patients, having faced several disciplinary measures from the California Medical Board. He also has been accused of injuring several patients in botched abortions.
But none of that was enough to get him kicked off the medical staff.
Jeebus on a pogo stick.
I'm pretty sure all complaints about abortion doctors in majority pro-abortion states get ignored. It's not worth the bad press to discipline them.
OK, I need context for "botched abortion" - did the patient die? Did it accidentally turn into birth, which means the fetus got Personhood and couldn't be finished off?
Or was he like "Yup, all done" then few months later, out pops a screaming, bouncing baby?
It usually means they require follow-up medical care, from abnormal bleeding up to forgotten forceps.
Isn't that kind of shit stuff malpractice suit nightmares are made of? Why would they keep him in the first case after "several botched abortions"?!
Jesus, sounds like the pro-lifer did hospital a favor.
For some reason I read that as "forgotten biceps," which lead to very weird imaginary conversation in my head between a doctor and would-have-been mom.
Is that a pair of forgotten forceps, or are you just happy to see me?
Generally it means complications for the patient (who is not the fetus).
I guess the question was, does that complication mean a bouncing baby boy!
No, the guaranteed outcome of an abortion is that the fetus dies. That's the technically simple part.
The "complications" (again, to the patient) are things like sepsis, hemmorhaging, etc.
Or was he like "Yup, all done" then few months later, out pops a screaming, bouncing baby?
+1 Charlie Kelly
When you're selling discount abortions, you are motivated to keep your supplier.
Hillary Clinton and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are now besties.
Many squaw in same wigwam mean big wampum for campaign.
Just setting up the all-vagina ticket, is my guess.
Will their logo be a pair of scissors???
Barf
Scissor me timbers!
Scissor me, Xerxes!
You think they do that? Wow, what a way to lose even more of the male vote.
Two twats in every pot.
Please no, not an all-vagina ticket. Like we need another SugarFree story that violates the Bechdel test.
Chief Shitting Bull and Liawatha smokum peace pipe then bury hatchet in Pale Face's skull.
I hope this isn't construed as a "Block Yomomma" comment.
LILITH ADMINISTRATION
They're making plans on the lanai.
Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay and that it played any role in his attack on gay club Pulse.
What? No matter, too late to take back all that speculation now! Better double down on it!
The mayor of Sanford, Florida, was apparently carjacked by teens over the weekend.
Ban teens?
And cars. Just to be safe.
Let's ban mayors and see what happens.
Speaking of which, did you hear Andrew Gillum (your old town of Tally's mayor) was called a "Democrat to watch" by the NYT?
Yeah. You're right. Let's ban 'em.
Well, he's black, smart, and doesn't abuse his wife, so he's probably got legs.*
*I know Mr. Gillum a little bit, and I don't find him a bad guy. He's come out for several of my entrepreneurial friends' openings and events, including the grand opening of a craft brewery. He's everything I would want in a mayor, including, IIRC, given very few executive powers. As a "face", he's just fine. Do I want him for governor? Eh. Not less than any of the others I've lived under in FL.
I'm not looking forward to Governor Bondi, that's for sure.
If we have to have criminals, at least they're going after the State.
No, just ban Jack. That name is overused anyways.
The mayor of Sanford, Florida, was apparently carjacked by teens over the weekend.
In semi-related news, the career of SC Gov. Mark Sanford was recently hijacked by Argentines.
Appalachian Trail, not Argentinian Tail!
Yeah but his amor was Argentinian.
Luckily for him, the penalty was way off Mark.
Gov. Mike Huckabee has to pay $25,000 for playing "Eye of the Tiger" at a rally for Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis without paying for the rights.
For the Hucksterbee it's well worth it for the thrill of that fight.
He should have just played it as a cover with his band.
Rising up to pay twenty five thousand. ???
He could easily raise that money by getting on Kickstarter and promising to never play that song again.
My proglodyte friends are reacting to the SCOTUS decisions exactly as they thought they would, namely, by saying that the right to an abortion is sacrosanct and that all other rights are subject to "reasonable" restrictions and by not explaining or even acknowledging the contradiction.
It's right there in the 7 and1/2th Amendment, plain as day.
Also, remember that the right to the state recognizing your marriage is a "basic human right." Icky gunz not so much, because racist.
"But guns kill people, while abortion... oh, wait...."
BUNDLE OF CELLS, YOU SHITLORD!!!!eleventy!
Can we marry our guns???
The penumbra is so big that it's casting a shadow on the rest of the document.
+10 eclipsed
Tell them we need to be more like France.
I hate to be That Canadian (because we're no better), but on matters of cheese, you do.
And in m?nage ? trois matters, too. We have some things to learn from the froggies.
Well, they'll reflexively agree, and then discover what France's abortion laws actually are. Fun times.
"I hate to be That Canadian (because we're no better), but on matters of cheese, you do. .
FTFY
You are confusing me with Cytotoxic. My second will be contacting you.
It's basically like when a robot reasoned himself into a Zeroth Law of Robotics. The abortion rights have been reasoned into Zeroth Amendment, thus overriding all others.
Government must regulate every aspect of everything, except abortion.
It's simple. All the other rights are spelled out in the Bill of Rights, which specifically mentions due process that can be used to take those rights away. Abortion is not mentioned anywhere in the Bill of Rights, so it is not subject to that process for taking rights away. Duh.
I find it interesting that as a matter of jurisprudence nearly any regulation of abortion, even those that are purportedly for health an safety reasons are considered an infringement on a right that's not even explicitly safeguarded in the Constitution. Meanwhile rights that are mentioned explicitly and without qualification are subject to quite nearly any restriction legislators can imagine, short of a complete and total ban.
Christians should apologise to gay people: Pope Francis
Assuming gay people are living in sin and are not repenting, shouldn't Christians be apologizing for their failure to get them to repent? By failing to get gays to repent, Christians are ensuring their damnation. That sounds like a lot more apology worthy than "oh we were mean to you" does.
I have it on good authority that this doesn't count because he said it on a plane and in the presence of press.
All kidding aside, this is hopeful news but ultimately an empty gesture.
I'm convinced Francis is the antipope. Benedict is still out there looming, poping.
"They see me popin', they hatin'..."
God, yes. I want to see Benedict show up in Avignon, so they can excommunicate each other.
It may have been evil and destructive on occasion, but medieval Catholic Church had an ethos, man. Several, in fact.
I assume two Popes in an excommunication fight is going to look a lot like a wand-duel in Harry Potter. Or at least it should.
Exactly like that, without the CGI.
So, two old men waving sticks at one another?
Actually, that does sound entertaining.
And shouting excerpts from Summa Theologica at each other.
I'd pay to watch it!
More fun than you can shake a stick at...
Shadow Pope.
Anything that hastens the collapse of criminal enterprises masquerading as churches can only be good.
Nah. Benedict got "too old for this shit."
I'm not sorry they're gay. I hope they are enjoying their life.
But the afterlife? They may not enjoy that so much.
I may not either. Harps and church? Pfui. Give me Valhalla.
As I've said more than once:
If you're right, I expect all my friends will be Down There anyway.
Retiring to Australia?
Not Down Under. Geez.
It was a trick question.
He doesn't have any friends.
Bobarian's onto me!
In your pants?
Giving oral?
This. I never understood why people wanted to believe in a god who would threaten you with eternal torment because 1) you were, through no action or fault of your own, born in sin, 2) for failing to understand semi-logical at best theology concerning his son's mortal sacrifice wiping your slate clean.
This is why you're going to hell.
See ya there.
Fuck that, I'm going to Valhalla. No puny, dead christian god can keep me from the glory I deserve.
I never understood why people looked to the State to validate or otherwise license their personal relationships. Looking to the Pope for the same makes just about the same amount of un-sense.
#2 is especially odd given the reason for #1 is that we tried to learn the nature of good and evil without permission.
Also, why is it that the Apostle Thomas, who spent years in Jesus's personal company, personally witnessed him performing miracles, and then personally witnessed him resurrected, but still wouldn't believe in his divinity until being allowed to personally examine the nail holes still gets to go to heaven, while the rest of us are expected to have no doubt at all based purely on a two thousand year old book of rather dubious origin?
I'll never understand why people want to believe in Gravity when it keeps you stuck to the ground. This is what your argument sounds like to a Christian.
This. I never understood why people wanted to believe in a god who would threaten you with eternal torment because 1) you were, through no action or fault of your own, born in sin, 2) for failing to understand semi-logical at best theology concerning his son's mortal sacrifice wiping your slate clean.
You just wait when they come with their drapes and pillows and table cloths.
You just wait when they come with their drapes and pillows and table cloths.
Sorry, not sorry.
I'm not sorry they're gay. I hope they are enjoying their life.
How about pity? I can certainly pity the people looking to the Pope to validate their sexual practices.
The Supreme Court today struck down abortion restrictions in Texas that required abortion clinics to have the same medical standards as surgical centers.
Finally a rollback of burdensome regulations upon which we can all agree.
I think the McDonald ruling is a good one. The law is so broad, it basically makes ordinary politics bribery. He was not guilty of a crime.
I think quid pro quo, with the quo being something that requires an abuse of power (meeting with constituents is not) is an obvious bright line.
Yes. Exactly. Basically McDonald took the guy around and introduced him to people.
Like the Hamburglar?
Your second sentence: "The law is so broad, it basically makes ordinary politics bribery. "
does not square with your first sentence.
I think it does. The law is unconstitutionally broad. A law that is so broad you can't that it can criminalize anything is not a valid law.
I think the gist of Playa's comment is that nowadays all ordinary politics are bribery.
*McDonnell
Yeah, John's typos were making me hungry.
+1 Quarter Pounder with Graft.
The "McbRibe" sandwich?
Ordinary politics is bribery. Favors promised for money, paid for with other people's money.
Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay...
The Kenyan courts have a dignified way to help with that, I hear.
Was he lighter than a duck?
Today's Twitter outrage comes courtesy of The Daily Show, which is apparently still on the air.
Oh, that show isn't going anywhere. There's too many white-guilt-ridden Stewart fanboys out there who know that the show stopped being funny long ago but can't bring themselves to stop watching it just in case doing so would be racist.
No, they failed in negotiations with Juicemaster? to fill that time-slot with an hour long infomercial...
Too lazy to read the link, did Huckabee play a recording of Eye of the Tiger or did he cover Eye of the Tiger in public?
The former, I believe.
Would have to be, 'cause IIRC, covers are exempt from copyright claims.
No, you still owe royalties.
No you still have to pay the songwriter and composer royalties, you just don't need to pay royalties to the musicians
As somebody whose high school mascot was the Tigers, let me say I really, really, really hate that song.
Air drums.
Gov. Mike Huckabee has to pay $25,000 for playing "Eye of the Tiger" at a rally for Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis without paying for the rights.
Will the persecution of Christians in the U.S. never end?
Cripes, that's what an ASCAP/BMI public performance violation costs?
Since he had claimed the campaign rally as an election expense, it counted as a commercial performance. So he settled with Rude Music out-of-court for $25,000.
And if it was to rally good Christians shouldn't they have played "Eye of the Lion"?
I think the Romans threw them to the lions, not tigers.
Foreshadowing?
He should have played Brown Eye For The Unmarried.
Parrot squawk 'evidence' in murder trial
I'd give more weight to a parrot as a witness than a jailhouse informant. There's a 50% chance that the parrot is telling the truth.
"The murderer was... THE CRACKER SALESMAN!"
Racist!
So the whole time, Polly just wanted a white guy?
So... the white guy?
+1 racist avian
You know who else favored the avian race?
Well done, sir.
Alfred Hitchcock?
If you treated it as a tape recorder which would reliably reproduce what it heard then it's not really testimony, but is definitely getting into a [dons sunglasses] gray area.
But the fact that the suspect has had the parrot since the event leaves open the possibility of evidence tampering.
Stooges already did it. Disorder In The Court.
What's the expletive? That could hold all the clues!
In retrospect, finishing the phrase "Don't shoot" with "cunt" was a poor choice.
Officials cannot seem to find any evidence that Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen might have been gay and that it played any role in his attack on gay club Pulse.
So glad we burned a lot of cycles on this pointless red herring, rather than, say, keeping track of his likely accomplice (his wife), who vanished immediately and who the FBI has admitted they have lost track of.
The most important thing is KULCHER WAR, RC Dean. All other priorities are subordinate.
So glad we burned a lot of cycles on this pointless red herring, rather than, say, keeping track of his likely accomplice (his wife), who vanished immediately and who the FBI has admitted they have lost track of.
Considering they interviewed him 3X and didn't discover that he was a violent sociopath, I'm assuming there are pictures of him on Tumblr somewhere with a dick up his ass (NTTAWWT) and the FBI hasn't found them yet.
"Experts" -- ha ha, that's a good one!
So great to be back working from home. I am multi-tasking -- listening to pre-recorded training sessions, commenting here, and sipping my first cocktail while listening to my children shriek from afar. I may be "working" late tonight.
while listening to my children shriek from afar
They haven't figured out how to undo the knots yet?
My wife also works from home as a full-time caregiver. I have a 10 month old who shrieks whenever he doesn't get picked up when he wants to be -- about 85% of the time. I have a 2.5 year old who shrieks whenever the 10 month old touches him or looks at the stuff he is playing with -- about 35% of the time. I make no judgement about her methods.
Good call on the cocktail. If you're working from home with a wife and 2 young kids there, it's the right thing to do. Hell, it would be wrong not to.
I make no judgement about her methods.
You should, or you'll be shrieking next.
Kids learn to shriek and keep on shrieking, because it works to their advantage.
How do you teach them not to shriek? Koreans seem to have the technology down pat, maybe I should ask some Koreans.
Brotip: I suspect it involves beatings.
No beatings.
It's far easier than that.
Just provide the proper incentive/disincentive structure.
I'm not sure the ten month old understands yet. I pretty much just let him scream if I'm busy. She's got ovaries, so its harder on her, so she says.
My (most recent) kid started understanding around 9 months, plus or minus.
It's pretty easy to train them not to shriek for attention. The other stuff is more complicated.
This would only be true if the shrieking was below 32 Hz
Makes sense. Also good to know I made the right call about not having children.
Nerf ball gun.
How do you teach them not to shriek? Koreans seem to have the technology down pat, maybe I should ask some Koreans.
Since you asked...
That was horrible, I assume Alda directed.
Every summer I have to retrain my sons.
I work in the basement and during summer vacation they will come downstairs to yell, scream and fight with each other. When that happens I would find a chore for them outside and send them off to do it.
After about a week, they learn to never come to the basement during working hours.
I love working from home though. I shot a rabbit through the head with a pellet gun while I was calling in for the morning standup meeting. Teach that fucking rodent to stay out of my garden.
Am I to understand that the rabbit exited under its own power? Or was that metaphorically teaching it a lesson?
It was a lesson for his kids.
Well to the kids who are still among the living, it was.
I'm positing that the lack of recidivism in this particular dead bunny is proof that it learned the lesson to never try to steal my lettuce.
Whenever I kill insects and other pests around my house I talk shit and then tell them, the deceased pests, to tell their friends.
Doesn't usually work though.
I didn't realize you were Shriek's daddy.
So many euphemisms. How do you find the time?
...sipping my first cocktail while listening to my children shriek from afar.
When CPS shows up, none of us ever saw this post.
Say, has anyone seen OMWC recently?
Hopefully not
He's lurking among us in disguise.
Hillary Clinton and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are now besties. Donald Trump is not impressed.
The flow of their donor cash is in danger of becoming synced.
Their moneystrail systems will be as one. If you listen closely you can even hear it drip: ka-ching ka-ching ka ching.
Warren is an expert in banking and finance.
Hillary may have realized she needs somebody around to make sure her money laundering operation is nice and tight. Given the fiasco with her email server, probably not a bad idea.
But Warren might make her stop!
She rolled out Warren in Ohio. I overheard the coverage of it this morning. Even CNN was like "who the fuck thought Warren would be a good campaigner in Ohio?"
I am starting to think she is going to pick Warren as her running mate. Is there any better impeachment insurance than Fauxchohontas?
Maxine Waters
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Is Sevo going to finally show this time?
I haven't heard about this time, but he seems to feel that any gathering of four or more is too crowded.
He's never heard the saying "Wherever there are four of us gathered, there will always be a fifth"?
To provide context for why "Let's ignore referendum and fuck those who won" enrages me so much, here's Sargon of Akkad reading Hayek's exhortation to the British from Road to Serfdom.
So with all the celebration over Brexit, has there been any talk here of what good it might actually do? There's the symbolic power of people choosing to reject a larger, more centralized state apparatus, and that's not nothing. There's the emotional aspect of sticking it to technocratic dickbags, and that is nothing. In theory it sounds nice and the real-existing EU is terrible, but in this real world, is it a good thing and an increase in liberty? From a libertarian POV, what's the best case scenario here?
Is it that this could lead to a quicker dissolution of the EU? Is that also a good thing? It's not clear that, if the EU falls, the economic trading zone will remain. It likely will for some countries, but if the EU spectacularly fails, it could cause a big retreat to old nationalist policies. It's good that the UK will be freer to create trade deals that don't cater to third parties, but those deals may be even more unbalanced towards helping big British companies rather than Italian or French companies.
In the EU, the relatively liberal states in the EU lose an influential voting ally. This could push the EU to be more regulatory and cronyist. In the UK, the vote may signal a push towards more mercantilist policies. Is there a good reason to think that either group will be pushed towards more liberty-oriented policies?
It's like the common worry about possible American secessions: yay, we showed those fucking Feds, but damn, local governments are terrible. We want to think the UK is now free to appoint Daniel Hannan as Supreme Leader and work towards a reborn mercantile empire, but the Brits have had no problem spending and regulating themselves into poverty without the EU's help. Is there much reason for a libertarian to be optimistic?
Are you suggesting that the fascists will take over after the Brits leave? Did Britain colonize Europe, too?
The way I look at it as a non-European who doesn't wade too much into their politics for the sake of the few threads of sanity I have left, if the UK is going to sink itself anyway, better they do it as an independent nation state rather than with their lips on the boots of a supranational god-state.
Smaller states are less able to externalize costs across their population than larger states can. To cite an extreme example compare Lichtenstein and the US. The US could end all of it's free trade agreements and push for more "self-reliance" and sure while prices would rise, there is a large enough internal market (read division of labor) that the society in question could continue on relatively unscathed. If Lichtenstein up and decided to erect tariff walls and burdensome domestic regulation, it would either starve or drive away a large proportion of the population because it's internal market is not as large, it's division of labor under Lichtenstein's jurisdiction is not as redundant and diversified.
Right, general decentralization argument, which I think is a good presumption. And I do think, long-term, whatever moderating effect the UK had inside the EU would amount to little.
But I also wonder... if Texas did leave the US, would we expect the US to improve? And would we really expect Texas to be all that much better?
No the US would not improve, but then this just means that the US is made better at the Texan's expense. It's in my interest in Ohio to have Texas producing some political stopping power to proggy Washington DC, insofar as they actually do that.
It's in the Texan's best interest to leave so they won't have to bear the burden of the progtastic laws and regulations they must live under by virtue of the fact that they share a political union with the voters of California and New York.
I don't think it'll necessary be any better, but I also don't think it will change things as much as the doomsayers predict (same goes for a theoretical Texit). I suspect a lot of Americans who favored the Brexit did so out of the general Western inclination to root for the underdog, the 'murican inclination to support independence (at least in theory), and schadenfreude for the European neo-aristocracy who were so hell bent on preserving the union.
At least they didn't take a page from Lincoln's Playbook of Preserving Unions.
Only because nobody in the EU aside from Britain has any military capability.
Another reason to leave the EU.
Definitely, that's the only thing I'm sure of. That, and some near-term economic pain born from uncertainty. The UK can do just fine outside the EU. But will it be more libertarian, or more prosperous? And is there any solid reason to think the long-term prospects justify the short-term pain? We all hope so, especially since the rebuke to the EU feels so good, but I'm wondering if there's anything beyond hope and emotion.
UK elected Thatcher. Three times.
EU is constitutionally incapable of the same.
UK made EU more liberal. EU made UK more illiberal. If UK wants to be illiberal they can do so on their own, without having EU as an excuse.
And EU might reform now that they lost 2nd largest economy. Remember, Cameron assumed they would give him something in the negotiations before referendum, and was sorely disappointed. Maybe this time they will learn.
has there been any talk here of what good it might actually do
Giving the Brits a chance to fuck up on their own, rather than getting fucked up by a bunch of eurocrats, is a good in and of itself.
Is it that this could lead to a quicker dissolution of the EU? Is that also a good thing?
Yup. You don't need a meta-state to have free flow of capital, commerce, and people.
But they currently have a meta-state that allows a pretty good flow of capital and people. What they have right now, imperfect as it is, is functionally similar to Madison's federalist design, as imperfect as that has been here.
If the people cheering for Brexit are generally anti-Federalists, that's cool, but it's that disconnect that's tickling me right now. I've seen Brexiters sneer that the EU is trying to make a United States of Europe; why are so many pro-Constitution people eager to see that fail?
If a person values federalism, that means they value decentralized distributions of political power. Brexit represents decentralization vis a vis the EU and the UK perfectly. I don't really see how Brexit is a violation of the federalist principles ostensibly enshrined in the US Constitution. What's your argument, that the United States of Europe would functionally offer what the US Constitution does?
That the Constitution was drafted in large part to regulate commerce among the states as the EFTA does, and Madison's argument about factions applies to the EU. They are different institutions, and there is a whole lot wrong with the EU as it exists, but I think the core of the federalist arguments apply.
Which is not a problem if you don't find Madison convincing.
It took us almost 200 years before DC tore the Constitution to shreds. It took Brussels less than 20 years to tear up the EU constitution.
if the EU spectacularly fails, it could cause a big retreat to old nationalist policies
There's no "if" about it. The EU will spectacularly fail. It is fundamentally flawed. The more embedded the meta-state is, the more damage its failure will do.
I wonder if the EU could have even existed in the first place without NATO.
There were already rumblings about the US and EU forming an economic union,. so Brexit nips that shit in the bud. THAT'S the good Brexit did.
It being the UK they are just as likely to over regulate and embrace socialism with or without the EU's help. At least it will be their own damn fault, though. Crashing because your a dumb ass who speeds is preferable to crashing because someone stole your keys.
Ouch.
The Supreme Court today struck down abortion restrictions in Texas that required abortion clinics to have the same medical standards as surgical centers.
On another site, I forget which, they had some accompanying photos of women crying hysterically with joy at this news. I'm sorry, I don't get it. I could see doing so if the restrictions being lifted were of FDA bans of live-saving medications, but the emotion with this just seems disproportionate.
Was she formerly abused by her step-father and forced to give birth? Because I could be sympathetic to her in that case. Or if it was Elizabeth Smart.
"they had some accompanying photos of women crying hysterically with joy at this news. "
That's not an appropriate reaction at all. Not "normal". You have to wonder how they think this will change their lives.
If someone wants to start a gofundme to provide them with free hysterectomies, I'll throw down some cash.
I say it more and more often:
"These people have lost their fucking minds."
I keep trying to say that phrase over and over again to see if something cool like Hodor would come out, but so far nothing catchy.
Yeah, I just think they'd be better off not taking politics so personally. They must be miserable.
Sometimes cheers and tears are a sign of malice, not happiness. When progs cheer a decision, it's usually because someone they hate is getting fucked.
Hilarious if true:
English will not be an official EU language after Brexit, says senior MEP
Who is the fishface on the right of that photo?
An expert who makes all the right decisions for others.
So... Arabic?
*ducks*
So Irish people will have to fill out their forms in Gaelic? Nice.
They'll interpret their way around this. The older bureaucrats won't be willing to learn another language.
OMG! English won't be an official language of a government they aren't subject to!
Isn't it the case in most of the world that the government hasn't designated English as an official language?
Malta and Ireland both use English as their main language is the sticking point. According to Wikipedia, in Ireland
(passive speaker means they can understand Gaelic but aren't fluent speakers of it)
The Anglosphere is the best sphere anyway.
What if Scotland breaks away and joins the EU?
+1 Hadrian's Second Wall
North Vancouver mayor pushes plan for cigarette butt deposit
Holy shit, he outderped Major Robertson of Vancouver Proper. That kind of achievement should be recognized!
Did Domenic DaVinci ever make it to Mayor? If so, bring him back!
THAT IS MY IDEA!
I don't mind the smokers much except that they are fucking litterbugs. Us drunks have learned to stop throwing cans out our car windows, so why can't the smokers throw their butts into the trash?
I'd also like to point out that it would be fucking awesome to see the homeless cash in big time by scouring the city for butts.
My parents used to make me pick up soggy butts from in front of their business every few weeks, as if I was a common orphan. I agree with you, that or cat o' nine tails.
But the homeless won't have the "specially marked cigarette pack", which doesn't mean you can get the "bounty" (as in the case of cans).
Narrative Collapse Collapse.
I guess we will never know why he did it.
But what else could it be?
I don't know. If only these lunatics would tell use. You know, like maybe call a TV station in the middle of the act and say why they are doing it. Something like that. But life will never be that obvious, right?
He internalized right-wing Christian anti-gay hate. It's our fault, as Americans, really.
Oooh, and cops don't see it because they internalized it too?
Thank you, now everything makes sense!!!
That is right. It was that and guns. So a Muslim guy kills a bunch of gays in Orlando and as a result of that, all of the gays in Oklahoma need to give up their guns.
Narrative Collapse Disorder.
I think the original "Hive Collapse Disorder" works just as well.
Ah, perpetually overrated England.
Judge who sentenced Stanford swimmer Brock Turner, 20, to six months for rape will hand down three year sentence to Latino man, 32, charged with nearly identical crime
I am outraged that Scott did not list this as his outrage of the day. !! !! !! !!
So, it's not really the same at all.
The Guardian has more details:
So...the judge learned his lesson and isn't going to hand down another light sentence for rape?
This is outrageous. I can't see what justifies this guy getting three years other than he is poor and the other guy is a rich college kid.
Yeah he is older but that shouldn't make that much difference. The victim is a lot more sympathetic but that shouldn't matter.
I guess you could say this guy is a racist. Or you could also say that after the shit he took over the other case, he is never going to let anyone convicted of a sex crime off easy again. I don't know. Only the judge knows for sure. But I think it is at least possible, he generally gave lighter sentences for these kinds of things and would have given this guy a light sentence had it not been for the shit storm over the other case.
So congratulations feminists, you just got some Central American guy two extra years in prison.
The thing is had the judge gave the swimmer guy an 18-24 month term we never would have heard about it. And after he got out he would have faded unnoticed right back into the population. Instead he got six months and he can never be anonymous again.
I think that's worse than a two-year prison term.
I think that's worse than a two-year prison term.
In some sense, yes. However, Turner at least has family he can turn to should he need provisions. I doubt Ramirez has anyone he could turn to, and good luck making a life for yourself after a felony conviction. In other words, Ramirez is looking at permanent pauper status.
That is a good point. I hadn't thought of that. And worse, everyone in prison knows who he is. If nothing else, his time in prison is going to be a hundred times worse.
Did the guy have prior convictions?
That is what I wondered as well. If he didn't, I think it is more likely that this judge has learned his lesson and is going to start hammering people than it is he is some kind of racist with a soft spot for white college athletes.
I read the article, and it doesn't say. Of course, Ramirez, being "very poor," probably did not have very good legal representation. I'll bet Turner's lawyer(s) assisted the judge with his sentencing decision.
Yes but the judges can see through that. A good lawyer only goes so far.
I agree with you that the Turner fiasco probably had some effect on Persky's sentencing decision. And I don't see how that makes the feminists' case for the judge's bias; the crux of the feminists' argument in the Turner case was that the judge deprived the female victim of justice with a lenient sentence for a male perpetrator. Now they are arguing that this decision is evidence of racial, as opposed to gender, bias. These are two different arguments that don't necessarily fit together. As you say, Persky just as likely could be bowing down to the feminists' demands, and his decision had nothing to do with bias.
I wonder what they think the appropriate punishment is for a brown guy fingering a woman against her will?
These douchebags have received the Daily Mail treatment: The hills are alive with the sound of vomit: Wedding announcement of Von Trapp singers' great-grandson could be the most cringe-worthy love story of all time
Good God.
Divorce within three months.
Fight over who needs to take out the garbage.
Taking out the garbage isn't one of their favorite things.
"sixteen (banana peels) going on seventeen"
Oh please. They'll have professional garbage handlers.
I believe they've already started vetting candidates for the job.
o/~ So long, farewell, aufwiedersehn, goodbye! o/~
"Divorce within three months."
Are we sure the wedding will be over by then?
Wedding ceremonies should be 15 minutes, tops. I followed this guideline with my own wedding and I generally expect the same level of respect.
Same here. 15 minutes of ceremony and hours of drinking and eating after.
I will tolerate an hour if the bar is open.
The drinking should last until the divorce.
Lush like a forest, not like an alcoholic.
Whoever came up with this line wins one internet.
I've always thought The Sound of Music would have been a better musical if they changed the story to have the Nazis catch the Von Trapps before they could escape.
I kind of like The Sound of Music, but themed weddings are obnoxious.
It sounds really sweet, but they shouldn't have pimped their wedding story for the NYT, they should have saved it for family get-togethers. Or a memoir down the line.
Huh. I used to work with a Trap (they dropped the von after settling in the midwest) in the Champaign/Decatur area. Good guy but wrapped too tight around the axle most of the time.
"Hillary Clinton and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are now besties. Donald Trump is not impressed."
Warren as VP Nom. could be great for Trump, might be wise for him to stay quiet here.
No kidding. Hillary has already alienated men in droves. An all-granny ticket seems ill-advised.
So. Can you imagine the sex in Iceland right now? Caligula approves!
So many "Second Brexit" headlines tomorrow.
At least this means Roy will be fired. Us Liverpool supporters still don't understand why he was hired in the first place.
What am I missing? Why is Iceland having any more sex than usual?
They beat England in the European Football Championships round of 16. Probably the biggest upset of England since they lost to the USA in the 1950 World Cup.
I just realized that. God they are hopeless. How does England such that bad? They are worse than Wales. And they seem to be getting worse. Before this, they just lost to the good teams like Germany and Spain but at least they generally beat the bad teams. Now they can't even do that.
A deeply seated inferiority complex that is intricately tied in with English football identity.
They lost to another great team: Italy. Twice.
The Euros. God those fucking Limeys are hopeless. Just fucking hopeless.
And one aside, as a soccer fan can you tell how Spain went from having what many considered the best team ever in 2010 and 2012 to getting run out by the Italians in just four years? How did they get that good and then fall so flat?
Aging players plus coaches figured out that a lightning quick counter attack can neutralize tiki-taka.
-1 Antoine Griezmann.
At least Pep is taking tiki-taka to Man City now.
They had a nice run. Dynasties come to an end.
Italy played them the toughest in those years. No surprise they would do the duty.
St. George is possibly the Worst. Saint. Ever.
Bud Spencer is dead.
RIP, Bud. Sad news. At least we still have Terence Hill's dreamy blue eyes.
Names on no-fly list entered because quota.
http://lawofficer.com/2016/06/.....eet-quota/
Well, looks like the Commies started the brawl with the Nazis after all.
http://www.latimes.com/local/l.....story.html
No arrests (yet).
Gotta love the inherent Untermensch mentality of the police:
"At the Sacramento rally Sunday, seven people were stabbed and nine were hospitalized.
Granada said more than 100 CHP and Sacramento police officers were at the park to keep the peace...'Luckily there were no injuries to officers, tourists or people of the general public.' "
General Republic?
Tenderness, where is the
Tenderness, where is it
I don't know where I am but I know I don't like it
I open my mouth and out pops something spiteful
Words are so cheap
But they can turn out expensive
Words like conviction can turn into a sentence
Duh, Public, not Republic. My left arm for an edit button.
"Gov. Mike Huckabee has to pay $25,000 for playing "Eye of the Tiger" at a rally for Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis without paying for the rights."
I guess it would be too much to ask that the real Kim Davis story gets mentioned - Kentucky just passed a law that clerks' names and authorizations will be taken off of marriage licenses, which is of course what Davis demanded, and she is currently claiming victory.
Why is this less relevant that a copyright story?
*than* a copyright story
And the people who are suing her agree with her that the case should be dropped, according to the fundamentalist zealots at the Huffington Post
"Notably, the legal team for the same-sex couples who were turned away by Davis ? they were seeking licenses after the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage nationwide ? will not oppose the clerk's latest move.
""We agree that Kim Davis's appeals should be dismissed," Daniel Canon, one of those lawyers, said in an email to The Huffington Post. "Once the new Kentucky law becomes effective, all loving couples seeking to obtain marriage licenses will be able to do so on an equal basis.""
Nothing about Apple refusing to work the Republican convention over matters of corporate conscience? They are acting like they were asked to decorate a wedding cake or something.
Why can a baker be forced to do something, but a major computer company cannot?
Yea, that's what I want to know too.
And this particular computer company demanded that force be used if a business choses not to provide a service http://www.cnet.com/news/apple.....i-gay-law/
Why can a baker be forced to do something, but a major computer company cannot?
It depends on the something.
So a misdemeanor conviction can cost you your 2nd amendment rights? But if you are one of the elite (say a governor) well then, apparently the rules are different. SCOTUS is making that very high bar.
Fuck this banana republic.
"Stronger Together"
Like this stick. On its own, even a child can snap it in two. But, bundle a bunch of them together....
Fascinating.
What you did there, I saw that.
speak softly, and carry a bundle of sticks
I'm going to use that as my sig at Fascbook.
that is awesome
Lilith Fair Performers, Attendees Achieve Largest-Ever Synchronized Ovulation
No, it's a great ALBUM name. Don't worry, people make this mistake all the time.
Botched Abortions?
So...the baby was carried to term and born?
by Rapers?
Oops, there was more to the band name, but I forgot to special character the ampersand.
Cannibal Corpse, its a throwback, spiritual successor to "Butchered at Birth"