Hillary Clinton

My Lunch With Hillary

Arguing over regulations that keep poor people from improving their situations

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Photo credit: John Stossel

I had lunch with Hillary Clinton.

Really.

I was on vacation on the Caribbean island of Anguilla, at a hotel that's a mixture of villas-for-rent that stand right next to big houses owned by rich Americans.

One day, several black SUVs arrived—men in suits wearing earpieces got out. I asked another tourist, "What's that about?"

"Bill and Hillary Clinton may stay here," he said.

Another tourist said, "That's just a rumor." But a few days later, Secret Service men surrounded a big house owned by Black Entertainment Television billionaire Bob Johnson. He's a big Clinton supporter. It was clear that the former president had arrived.

We then wondered, "Are both Bill and Hillary here?"

This was 2006, five years after Bill left office, 10 years after his affairs with Monica Lewinsky and others had been revealed. Pundits said the Clintons had a "political marriage"—that they didn't actually live together.

So we tourists asked, "Is it Bill with someone else?"

We got our answer quickly. There were the former president and first lady, strolling down our beach. "Holding hands!" gasped a tourist. "Is it just for show?" Who knows? But they certainly acted as if they liked each other.

So my brother-in-law invited them to lunch.

Why did he think they might accept? Because he's a successful investor who, years before, squandered money on a group called the Democratic Leadership Council. Its goal was to bring Democrats back to centrist economics.

The Clintons had convinced him that they were "responsible" Democrats (sometimes Bill was). So, by donating money, my brother-in-law helped Bill Clinton become president.

Donating money: That gets the Clintons' attention. Our lunch invitation was quickly accepted. Of course, they didn't know that I would be there.

I sat next to Hillary Clinton. She was very friendly—for a while.

Being a provocateur, I brought up a local controversy: Some Chinese workers were sleeping in old shipping containers, four to a container. They had moved to Anguilla to help build hotels.

"This is why we need regulation!" she told me.

I pointed out that the workers weren't slaves. They'd come to Anguilla only because their alternatives in China must have been significantly worse.

Of course, the housing the Chinese workers inhabited wasn't up to American standards, but the standards Clinton wants would raise costs. That would eliminate opportunities. Some of those workers might never have gotten the chance to leave China and better their lives. Our well-intended rules often create nasty, unintended consequences.

For example, after Western media complained that Bangladeshi workers were abused in "sweatshops," many of those businesses closed. "Good!" said the media. "We stopped the abuse!" But then Oxfam researchers discovered that many of those now unemployed workers were begging for food on the streets. Some became prostitutes.

Clinton replied, "I heard about that study, but most regulation improves living conditions: zoning rules, affirmative action, licensing, minimum wage…"

I responded, "Well, I'm a libertarian and …"

"I know who you are!" she interrupted. We were off. I give her credit: She argued with me for half an hour. Finally, she'd had enough. She just ignored me for the rest of the meal.

Clinton's wish to regulate workers' sleeping arrangements is a symptom of "lawyers' disease." Like most politicians, she assumes problems are best solved with new rules. She doesn't notice that most new rules create new problems. Worse problems. Problems that often take away opportunity altogether.

I don't want to live in a shipping container. But when politicians say "no one" may, they prevent desperate people from improving their lives.

America's settlers lived in one-room homes made of sticks and mud. Should that have been banned?

In China, millions try to live on a buck or two a day. Because Anguilla did not have Clinton-level housing regulation, some moved to Anguilla, where they can live cheaply and start businesses. Many now run grocery stores. Their lives are immeasurably better.

This is how life progresses, if politicians don't constantly interfere.

Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton is eager to interfere.

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127 responses to “My Lunch With Hillary

  1. Politicians are always trying to find solutions to nonexistent problems which, in turn, create problems with nonexistent solutions.

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  2. There is such a thing as being too nice. Rather than presume the best motives: that politicians want regulations to improve people’s lives but are often misguided, I presume they want them mostly to exercise control over others and/or favor some crony.

    1. I think the two are very tightly wound together. They are attracted to the control, but many, I’m sure, also think that such control is necessary to make people’s lives better. The latter is the more destructive thing because lots of voters actually believe it.

    2. Both of you guys are correct. Any initial benevolence is quickly overridden by lustful satisfaction in control.

      The higher the office, the more the sociopath. Very dangerous and evil people all of them. One day, the first libertarian president will be the same way.

      The only hope is education of future people against big government.

  3. Mr. Stossel, you rock!

    1. What did he tangibly accomplish? No snark, I’m being serious here. Did he *really* think he was going to changer her mind on *anything* where their mutual agreement Venn diagram didn’t already overlap?

      1. Rocking has little to do with tangible accomplishment and more to do with showing off and freaking out the squares.

        1. Herself didn’t seem the least bit freaked, TBH, Zebulon, in the grand scheme of things. Stossel’s kneecaps are intact. We’ll see if he gets audited for fiscal 2017 though.

          1. Well to be quite honest. Against the low bar that would have had other reporters groveling and sniveling at the feet of Hillary, Stossel looks like a giant for just simply challenging her assumptions.

          2. He got her to shut up, that’s something.

      2. He got to ask her questions that she would normally not have answered or even acknowledged. Hell, she probably wouldn’t have accepted the invitation if she’d known he was going to be there. I’m not normally a fan of ambush journalism, but politicians are always fair game since they aspire to control the lives of others.

        Sometimes, doc, it’s not about changing minds, but about getting people to go on the record. Her ignoring him also speaks volumes.

        Well-done, Mr. Stossel. You are one of our greatest resources.

        1. If he really wanted to help the world he would have put a knife through her jugular and relieved us of her existence.

          There are a few things worth sacrificing yourself for. A golden opportunity like that is one of them.

      3. What he accomplished is to verify that Hillary actually is as arrogant and ignorant as she appears to be in public. That is, don’t expect that her actual economic agenda differs from the bullshit she is peddling in public.

      4. I would have just sat down and said:
        “you are such a cunt”

  4. but most regulation improves living conditions

    Scientifically proven by consensus.

      1. Should we start calling Hillary Clinton Khaleesi?

        1. Khaleesi is not real. Such unrealistic character needs to be banned so that teenagers can regain self-confidence.

    1. Funny, the most regulated economies seem to have the worst living conditions. Seems like some other factor is necessary, no?

      More accurately:

      “Most regulation forces people who could already afford it to adopt better living conditions at the expense of those who can’t”

      1. But Cuba’s Gini ratio is soooo low!

      2. “Funny, the most regulated economies seem to have the worst living conditions. Seems like some other factor is necessary, no?”

        This is a problem but not with the regulations themselves but with how the regulators are regulated. I think the solution is that we need to sit down and create at better way to regulate the departments that are regulating the regulators. Once we do this I am sure that living conditions will improve. Trust me, I know how to do this. I am pretty sure I have seen this work before.

        1. We’ll start with a committee and a tiger team…

          1. And when that isn’t working we can move into Hypercare and hopefully by then another issue will arise so we can work on that instead…because this one is yesterday’s news and we have sucked all possible value out of it.

      3. “Most regulation forces people who could already afford it to adopt better living conditions at the expense of those who can’t temporarily

        Even if you manage to foist the costs back on to those who can afford it and they enjoy the benefits of their spending, the compulsory action can only to be had so long as loopholes aren’t discovered or erected in lieu of ‘fleeing’. If a law compelling everyone to eat one slice of bacon every week were enacted tomorrow, vegetarians/vegans would flee the country. Jews and Muslims would insist in a religious exemption. Affluent people suffering from delusions of healthism would press to have bacon redefined as any meat-like substance, from any source, cured or uncured.

  5. One of the many problems I have with Hillary (and Sanders) is that they never had a real job. They never spent time on the receiving end of regulations.

    1. What about all those pesky cyber-security regs. Those are hard.

      1. Here’s Hillary complaining about Russian hacking yesterday – hilarious. She’s making it an issue now, that’s going to work great.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JZDnM1aXYA

        1. I too found that ironic. Her email server get hacked, and she isn’t nearly as incensed as when the Democratic “dirty tricks” server gets hacked. Shades of the seventies.

          1. Her email never got hacked, that’s ridiculous to even suggest. Just ask her.

      2. PT-they’re hard for proles, not for people who get things done.

      3. Like he said, she never spent time on the receiving end of those regulations.

        Its funny how lefties always think the regulations are excessive after they massively violate them (see documentary directory breaking gun laws as well).

    2. They never spent time on the receiving end of regulations.

      Rather, they’ve found every way possible to exempt themselves from those regulations. Sanders gets to enjoy unregulated health care while decrying the same. Clinton gets to enjoy unregulated influence peddling while decrying the same.

    3. I don’t get me started on the FOIA regs.
      My fucking enemies want to know everything.

  6. Stoss should have offered her a mustache ride then reneged after his offer was accepted.

    1. The Snuke would have consumed him.

    2. Well, I;m sure he was still calculating why there was the present odor of bad sea food when they both had steak…

  7. “I heard about that study, but most regulation improves living conditions: zoning rules, affirmative action, licensing, minimum wage…”

    Uh huh. I think this Clinton quote describes her rationale more accurately: “We cant legalize drugs. There is too much money in it.”

    More regulation = more money in govt coffers, more govt apparatchiks, more cronyism, more power.

  8. “I heard about that study, but most regulation improves living conditions: zoning rules, affirmative action, licensing, minimum wage…”

    You should have interrupted *her* and responded that not a single one of those regulations improves living conditions *in aggregate* (which the progressive Left loves to use as justification for more intervention) but improves the living conditions *of some* at the expense of a lot of others.

    1. Yeah, this is what people miss. Especially regarding the minimum wage or “free” healthcare or other services. Yeah, it benefits the people who benefit. That’s pretty much tautological. If you give people more money (or force others to), they will have more money. No shit. But that says nothing about whether it is beneficial to society in general or to individuals over the long term.

  9. My Lunch With Hillary

    The horror… the horror…

    1. Question for the group. Who would be a better lunch companion: Hillary Clinton or Hannibal Lector?

      1. Hannibal Lector. That’s not even a tough choice.

        1. More interesting at least

          1. Talk about a “Dinner For Schmucks”…..(aka Le D?ner de Cons).

      2. That depends – who’s doing the cooking?

      3. Can we arrange for them to have lunch together?

        1. I wouldn’t work.

          Lector is too smart to commit suicide via food poisoning.

      4. At least with Lector, I’ll get some decent dago wine.

      5. The more important question: What’s on the menu?

      6. Quid pro quo, Stossel. I will answer your questions about the living conditions, but first tell me about your childhood.

  10. Yeah well this one time at Camden Yards, I yelled at Chelsea Clinton for blocking my view. Her and her goon squad came into my section during the 2131 game. I was like 11. I told her, “Down in front”. That’s it; nothing more to my story either. True story though.

    1. Royalty doesn’t take orders from little people.

  11. At least you have enough self control to just talk to her. I don’t know what I’d do if the goon squad showed up while I was eating lunch. I’d probably spend most of my energy just trying not to throw my plate of food at them.

  12. So, what did H have for lunch?

    Aregula, um, arugula salad and regular coffee with milk of Magnesia?

    1. With hot sauce from her purse, of course.

    2. Look at all the booze on the table.

  13. And on the subject of regulations and cronies – over at Tyler Cowen’s site he discusses a paper on cable regulations and how, after the passage of a law to “get cable prices under control” — prices didn’t decrease and the value of the cable companies increased.
    http://marginalrevolution.com/…..rents.html
    hmmm

    1. sounds from slashdot upon hearing this news

      *crickets*

      1. Slashdot sure took a turn for the populist after changing ownership. It had long since lost most relevance by taking too to post breaking tech news, so they made up for that by choosing political rants that don’t suffer as much from lag.

        I scan it once a day now, takes about 20 seconds, very very seldom actually read one of their articles.

      2. slashdot – now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long, long time…

  14. She doesn’t notice that most new rules create new problems. Worse problems. Problems that often take away opportunity altogether.

    Trade-offs. Everybody’s looking for solutions but there aren’t any. People criticize libertarians as unrealistic because “what about X? What do you propose to do about X?” Point out that there aren’t solutions but only trade-offs and the best you can do is the best you can do, point out the Dems and the Reps haven’t fixed the problem and maybe it’s unfair to demand that libertarians meet a higher standard, suggest that maybe doing nothing is a reasonable response given the alternatives, and they’ll insist that at least they’re trying to solve the problem instead of just claiming the problem is unsolvable and we should give up trying to solve it. Yeah – you’re busting your ass trying to build an expensive perpetual motion machine and I’m unreasonable for suggesting you’d be better off just sitting there quietly doing nothing instead of being reasonable and suggesting alternative methods of building your perpetual motion machine.

    1. For example: Legalize drugs. But what about the social and personal costs of having tons of drug addicts driving and operating tools and laying about in the gutter until they have to be taken to the emergency room with skin failure? Well, what about it? How does the cost of drug prohibition compare to the marginal rise in drug addiction? Blank look, because they’ve never actually thought about it, never considered that with the war on drugs and all its costs we still have tons of drug addicts, that legalizing taxable drugs would both rid us of the cost of the war on drugs and create taxable revenue, and that there’s a fairly straight-forward math problem there to be worked out hinting at the balance of the equation. Which costs more: drug legalization or drug prohibition? And they’ve never even thought for one second what the answer to that question might be because they’re convinced if we just war hard enough we can have near zero drug use at little cost and the math isn’t even worth doing on such a lop-sided equation.

      1. You’re missing the point. The goals of the WOD are to increase the State while purporting to help perfect the human condition.

        1. Kinda sums up the Progressive philosophy.

          1. AND the conservative philosophy. Two groups wanting to control different things, and when they compromise, it’s control over everything at once.

            1. We call that Europe, a continent where the two make forces are progressives and Christian conservatives, and they have figured out that the best way to stay in power is to trade regulations between them

      2. drug addicts driving and operating tools and laying about in the gutter until they have to be taken to the emergency room with skin failure

        People often seem to gloss over the fact that we have all of that with prohibition. And that many of those things would be much less common without prohibition, even if there are more addicts, which there probably would be.

      3. The govt isn’t a bunch of utilitarians, as bad as that is already.

        They’re just trying to sell a product, which is warm fuzzy feelings. And it will only cost you half your economy.

        1. It will cost you half of your economy AND half of your liberty.

      4. But legalizing drugs would be doing something. Making them newly illegal was also doing something. Most people understand “doing something” as change in any direction.

  15. She doesn’t notice that most new rules create new problems. Worse problems.

    New problems are not intended, therefore they are not the fault of the well-intentioned rules. They are caused by something else that can only be fixed with more rules. And any new problems that occur after those new rules are not caused by the new rules, but rather by something else that requires more rules. And any new problems that occur after the next set of rules are not caused by the new rules, but rather by something else that requires more rules. And any new problems that occur after the next set of rules are not caused by the new rules, but rather by something else that requires more rules. And any new problems that occur after the next set of rules are not caused by the new rules, but rather by something else that requires more rules…

  16. Uh oh, she knows who you are now. If she gets elected, you better bunker down before the secret police carry you off.

  17. As if my opinion of her couldn’t get any lower, there’s this. Barf. She needs to lose the ‘tude if she wants to be President, but she won’t. Another interesting Stossel article. Hillary got owned by Stoss. Wish I could have been there.

  18. You didn’t yell, “Stop oppressing me, bitch!” And throw a drink in her face?

    1. Brian- That’s one way to make the national news, but being killed by the SS is a high price to pay.

  19. In my opinion we don’t even have to offer solutions to “problems.” The market will figure it out. Just like the market figured out how to ship a package to FUCKING Nowhere, Saudi Arabia, just like the market figured out how to sell goods over the internet cheaply (after multiple failures mind you), just like the market figured out how to efficiently distribute gasoline for our go go machines.

    The market offers solutions that are unseen at the moment and that is what scares them. Libertarians need not offer solutions to problems that don’t really even exist. They are problems that are temporary, but with state interaction these problems just get worse

    1. There are two major problems with market solutions. First off there is no central planner. How can anything be assured of working without central planning? Second, profits. Profits are immoral, and any market solution will result in rich people making immoral profits. Because there is no central planner, the profits will go to the wrong people. Only a central planner can choose the right people to make the profits. When that happens they are no longer immoral, because they have the blessing of the central planner. That’s why market solutions will never be acceptable.

  20. It’s rude to invite yourself to someone else’s lunch then force them to talk politics.

    1. “It’s rude to invite yourself to someone else’s lunch”

      Since it was Stossel’s brother-in-law that invited them to lunch I’m pretty sure he was already invited.

      “then force them to talk politics.”

      Yes because politicians are above us and must never be pulled into a discussion about their ideas by the silly pleebs! /sarc

      1. THEY ARE CLINTON. IT WAS ALWAYS THEIR LUNCH.

    2. force them to talk politics.

      Talked politics??!?!?!?!!?!?!? At the point of a gun no less! Right there in front of her SS detachment and everything!

      Why… you’d think Stossel’s got the notion that he’s got some sort of obligation to put politicians on the hotplate for making political decisions at every opportunity. Like he was defending some sort of freedom or something! The nerve!

      I’m sure the Clintons have a long-standing tradition of not discussing politics or regulations while eating any meal and Stossel went and trampled their firmly held religious beliefs and kicked their freedom of association in the teeth too!

    3. “force”

      No.

      Fuck. Off.

    4. Michael Moore has a sad.

  21. Great story and example of what I call Leadership Syndrome cause I don’t think lawyers are the only ones that do this having lived in the corporate world for way too long. Leadership Syndrome exists because the more you fix things the more power you have and the more of a Leader you become. Rinse and repeat until you have everyone convinced you are the source of all great solutions. Great Leaders all excel at one thin: seeing situations that make them unhappy (and they are always unhappy) and convincing others that the situation is a problem that must be fixed. It is a very quick hop from “here is a problem” to “here is my solution”. Until the general public starts requiring their leaders to define the problem from the position of the people in the situation we will continue to fix problems that don’t exist or fix the wrong problem altogether. People at the top are there because other people have hoisted them up that ladder. It is our responsibility to hold the creators of solutions responsible for the outcomes of these actions. It is everyone’s responsibility to tell the emperor that they are naked and ugly to boot.

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  24. “but most regulation improves living conditions”

    I would have asked her what regulations she has seen that reduce living conditions. Getting people to try and think critically of regulations can hopefully help them leave with a better perspective than before. They probably would still be way off, but it can help some.

    I would have tried to talk about the Public Choice Theory economists who have contributed a great deal of research into what drives regulative choices.

    I still have a lot of work to do in avoiding combativeness in discussions like these. Just arguing gets you no where. Also, just saying “I am Libertarian” gets you no where.

    1. would have tried to talk about the Public Choice Theory economists

      What’s the point? Clinton wouldn’t understand because her livelihood depends on not understanding.

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  26. RE:
    My Lunch With Hillary
    Arguing over regulations that keep poor people from improving their situations

    I’m sure the author convinced Heil Hitlary that deregulation was a wise policy.
    I really look forward for a considerable amount of deregulation from her when she becomes dictator for life.
    Capitalism finally will come back to Amerika once this socialist slaver takes the oath of office.
    I can hardly wait.

  27. “For example, after Western media complained that Bangladeshi workers were abused in “sweatshops,” many of those businesses closed. “Good!” said the media. “We stopped the abuse!” But then Oxfam researchers discovered that many of those now unemployed workers were begging for food on the streets. Some became prostitutes.”

    That’s because progressives have black souls.

  28. Shame on your brother for giving that bitch any money.

    -jcr

  29. Shipping containers? It looks like those Chinese workers are on the cutting edge of housing:

    tiny houses

    1. Unfortunately, the tiny house movement is strongly hindered by regulation.

      See, you can only adopt a small-footprint lifestyle if you do it in a government-approved 2500 sq ft mansion whose construction involves numerous union jobs and government regulators.

  30. Nothing can ruin Hillary’s appetite than being reminded of the concept of individual liberty.

    Stossel’s just lucky that Queen Cacklepants didn’t take away his lunch for his own good.

  31. Both Clinton and Trump are rumored to be quite NASTY as individuals. If you actually worked for them. you would probably hate their guts.

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    There’s a big dip between our house and the school, and the feds said the slope was too steep for a federally funded sidewalk (they must not have ever visited San Francisco.) The Feds would only fund the sidewalks if the street was rebuilt at a smoother or flat grade, but that would necessitate closing an intersection with a major intersecting street. So the township said no.

    Because the feds said it was too dangerous to have wheel chairs on a street that steep, those wheel chairs will continue to be on the street, competing with cars.

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        They might have to raise more money, one would hope through donations.

        One of my political mentors, who was a state Libertarian Party chair when I first got involved in the LP, won election to his village council specifically by opposing building sidewalks. The usual trick is to do a “special assessment” of the abutting properties and make the residents of the street pay for the upgrade. Typically, the homeowners are fine w/o the walks. They drive everywhere, and their kids get driven or ride bikes. Very few local residents want them. People cutting through the neighborhood on the way to somewhere else might want them.

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