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Evolution of Social and Cultural Norms Making Society More Tolerant and Safer

But motivated bad actors will always find a way.

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The massacre of 49 innocent people at the gay night club in Orlando on Sunday was both shocking and tragic. Not being a specialist on gun rights, immigration, religion or mental health—all of which appear to be pertinent to the discussion of what happened—I do not wish to opine too much.

My immediate reaction is that a crazy or hateful individual, who is determined to kill the largest possible number of people (for whatever twisted reason), cannot be stopped by new laws and regulations, nor by the evolution of social and cultural norms that make the society as a whole more tolerant and safer (of which more below). Similarly, law enforcement response, no matter how speedy and brave, is unlikely to prevent some, perhaps most, casualties. Were I at that night club (or at that church in Charleston), I would have wished to be armed and thus have a fighting chance of survival. But, that's just me.

Now back to the evolution of social and cultural norms regarding gay rights. Gays and lesbians used to be persecuted and shunned throughout the world for millennia. In today's America, however, we enjoy rights and acceptance not seen since ancient Greece. Singular acts of hate and madness cannot erase the progress that our society has made and for which we all ought to be grateful. Knowing that will, I hope, provide some solace in dark times.

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  1. Not being a specialist on gun rights, immigration, religion or mental health…I do not wish to opine too much
    Don’t let that stop you, it certainly doesn’t stop lawmakers.
    PS dat article title tho. Yikes

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    2. If lawmakers, prosecutors and judges were required to have expertise in the areas they regulate and control, the movement of our great society would ground to a halt. Imagine the absurd consequences such a policy would have, for example, in the case of the Dead Sea Troll, documented at:

      https://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

      1. Yeah, that was not the point. Most of them don’t even rely on experts before ‘opining’ on subjects they aren’t remotely familiar.

  2. I am sensing a strong correlation between those first two charts.

    1. Great catch. LOL

      1. I trust the information in the first chart much more than the information in the second chart, although I have a feeling that I am experiencing some form of order bias here.

        *snicker*

        1. I don’t trust any of the charts.

          1. Not even the fourth one?

            1. Especially not the forth one. I can’t validate it’s data.

  3. Were I at that night club (or at that church in Charleston), I would have wished to be armed and thus have a fighting chance of survival.

    And possibly have injured innocent people in the crossfire? You monster!

  4. The headline is an incredibly poor one. More tolerant of homosexuality and lesbianism? Certainly. And that’s not a bad thing. But, more tolerant, per se? A hell of a lot more citation is needed on that one.

    1. And he makes a “safer” claim in the lede but offers not a scintilla of supporting evidence.

      This might be the sloppiest piece of journalism this side of the NYT opinion page.

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  6. We can’t stop here and throw away the all the progress we’ve made. We will fight until gay marriage is not only acceptable, but until it’s preferable.

    1. Good morning straffinrun,

      I understand that you were being sarcastic, yet I wanted to share the gist of a man’s (quite positive) recollections regarding his progressive* parents, whom he said seemed disappointed that he wasn’t gay nor at least interested in dating women of differing skin tones than himself. If I understood his points correctly, they felt as if they they had inadvertently raised a son who was some type of throwback; a closed minded and unenlightened/less evolved person.

      *He may have used the term liberal rather than progressive when describing his parents. I heard his personal story on NPR a few years ago and cannot now recall many of the details.

      1. Tolerant creepy ain’t no way to go through life, son.

  7. Silly question: why is it when there is a terrorist act it’s, “Don’t blame all the muslims!”

    But when there is a shooting it’s, “Let’s blame all the gun owners, you guys made this happen!”

    1. Because “doublethink” is a real thing for proggies.

    2. Because, believe it or not, the left sees a platform made up of 49 dead bodies is a good place to score political points from.

      1. The other looters, the ones Trump represents, are falling upon the body count with whoops of joy. I kinda hope the Kenyan party holds steadfastly to its policy of helping mystical berserkers enter These States. Otherwise those same berserkers might start going around endorsing the LP. By association this would amlify homegrown conservative mystics’ shouts that “we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property” means libertarians want to “import Saracen terrorists.”

        Visit some conservative outlets and all they prattle about is forcing women to reproduce, killing, deporting and excluding devoutly superstitious mohammedans, and dissing libertarians for unseen “open borders” planks.

        1. In this, the real world , muslims DO force women to reproduce, beat them and kill gays, jews and other unbelievers . But good progressives can overlook these minor flaws even when the slaughter occurs in their own country .Take your PC lefty narrative , the state must grow, freedoms must be curtailed , all must be equal and trump, republicans , the NRA or evil white christians must be responsible for any and all evil , and shove it up your progressive excretory orifice .

    3. Good points Slammerino. I simply question the term “terrorist” applied to folks eager to rob and murder the very politicians Lysander Spooner described as bent on robbing and murdering us. Before JFK was killed, Aldous Huxley gave a talk you can google as “Huxley Berkeley speech.”

      In Huxley’s talk terrorist clearly meant BATF, IRS, DEA and similar agents with guns breaking in doors and enhancing interrogation over victimless “crime” laws. What’s wrong with calling a religious berserker (Robert Lewis Dear or Omar Mateen) what it is? ANY superstition to the effect that God or Allah or both lose sleep over your pee pee simply has to lead to mindless violence. Terror, on the other hand, is what the Patriot Act inflicts when read by Michael Moore.

  8. So the charts support your thesis about tolerance. But you pretty much leave the readership hanging on your “safer” claim. A chart showing anti-gay crime levels might help you get your point across.*

    *Although I’d suspect the numbers of anti-gay crime are absurdly low for every year shown in the other charts.

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    2. Counting “anti-gay crimes” is going to be very difficult. Off the top of my head, the “best” (and I use that word liberally) data would be from the FBI. But that’s only going to go back a few years (2009, when the Matthew Shepherd Hate Crime Act was signed). So basically useless for trying to draw any long-term correlations, especially since to be useful you’d want to isolate any changes in anti-gay hate crimes vs. overall changes in crimes.

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  9. I hate the use of Ancient Greece as an example of a gay tolerant society. Adult men took in prepubescent boys under their wing but essentially raped them. The young boys rarely had a choice. Any adult male who was on the receiving end of anal sex was still severely looked down upon and considered about on par with a woman.

    1. And such an example overlooks the fact that the Greeks understood marriage to be about procreation and inheritance, and as such wouldn’t even think about letting two men or two women marry each other.

      1. Hey now, don’t compromise the “straight marriage is a tradition that’s gone on for thousands of years unchanged” narrative.

        That said, if modern American marriages resembled ancient Greek marriages, I don’t think any of us would have sued for access.

    2. Yeah, were the Greeks really “gay tolerant” or were they just a bunch of child rapists that conditioned their sex slaves from a young age?

      1. I’ve also seen the heartwarming example of Nero marrying another dude as the first gay marriage from some LGBT-friendly people. They leave out the fact that Nero was a raging psychopath who dressed as a woman for the ceremony and considered himself the queen during that period of his life. They also left out his other gay marriage where he found a young slave who looked like his dead wife, neutered him, and then married him and paraded him around as his wife.

      2. You might try reading some Plato. He was Greek and attracted to socialism and strapping youths yet unvexed by mystical berserkers. The LP platform has since 1972 defended individual rights of folks like Plato, but we still have no problem jailing, hanging or deporting mystical ideologues whose programming demands they coerce and murder people. Mohammedan berserkers would likely be welcomed among communist anarchists, a collective Congress voted to exclude in 1903.

  10. Apparently the shooter was gay according to multiple sources.

    That really throws a monkey wrench in the proggie/cosmo narrative.

    1. I’m waiting to see if there’s any physical examples of him being gay. Could have just been casing the joints and seething in his anti-gay anger. Most of the homegrown European Islamic terrorists frequent clubs, too.

      1. He apparently used gay app and his ex wife said he was gay. And he allegedly asked a guy out

        1. They are saying he was looking into Disney World as a target too, which would indicate maybe his motive wasn’t to target homosexuals

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  12. But we still gotta bomb ISIS, right? I mean, reluctantly and after careful consideration following industry ‘best practices’ of course.

  13. Religious conservatives of both the christian and mohammedan strains cannot sell superstition or altruism with reason or logic. Perforce they rely on brutality and murder which, if confined to each other, would not be such a public nuisance. When these conservatives gained control of Germany in 1933 their campaign of extermination to make the world safe for mystical altruism rested on the assumption that all persons with a Jewish grandparent were “born selfish,” and couldn’t be improved to the point of embracing altruism. This business of asserting that gender-bending is some sort of genetic trait strikes me as irrelevant if true, and dangerous for the reasons we’ve just seen in Orlando.

    1. Nazi means national socialist , they were progressive statists similar to the commies of the USSR, thet were not in any way conservatives . Moreover the Nazis were not at all religious , but many germans were, so they took over the various Germans Churches (ame thing occurred in the USSR). But Hitler was about race, power and war, not God . Hitler did not hold that Jews needed to be exterminated because they were selfish but because they were a genetically inferior race and could not be allowed to pollute the Aryan genome . Orlando has nothing to do with gender . Homosexuals are not at all confused as to their sex, just as to what use to put their genitalia . Orlando is about muslims doing as their prophet instructed them to do, kill gays .

      1. The Nazis were allied with the German Nationalist Party and the monarchists (pro-Kaiser) prior to the 1933 elections; hell, Hitler was given the Chancellery with the (reluctant) support of Franz von Papen of the Center (center-right) Party. The German conservatives* saw the Nazis as a tool to overthrow the social-democratic Weimar Republic and restore the Hohenzollern dynasty. You can compare the Nazis to the Stalinists (quite facetiously, but with some shred of credibility), but you can’t straight out call the Nazis “progressive statists” without making a fool of yourself.

        *By the way, conservatism in Europe is far different than the conservatism in the United States. In Europe, conservatism refers to supporters of feudalism and monarchies and opponents to classical liberalism, socialism, and other byproducts of the Enlightenment, whereas “conservatism” in America is more related to classical liberalism.

  14. The evolution of social and cultural norms (if there is such a thing) has been the steady decline in knowledge, use of reason and the steady rise of PC progressive lunacy . It is manifested in part by the degradation of language. Marriage, wife, husband, consummation and many other words now mean nothing, instead we have terms like partner A and partner B , soon to be augments with partners C-Z . Sex has been conflated with the meaningless term gender , once reserved for nouns in some languages . Cultural norms change, they don’t evolve. Was nazism an evolution of the cultural norms that prevailed earlier ? Were the communist slaughters in Ukraine, China and Cuba evolutions on the norms they replaced ? Today’s cultural norms include PC multiculturalism which insists the barbaric 9th century religion of Islam is no better or worse than the Judeo-Christian religions that built today’s technological society and created the knowledge and wealth we enjoy today . That same PC multiculturalism is busy lying about the Islamic killing of gays and the subjugation women wherever Islam can do so . After Orlando it takes a special kind of idiot to claim that “evolving” cultural norms are making society more tolerant and safe, when in fact they are doing the exact opposite.

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