Election 2016

Roseanne Barr, Socialist for Trump

Why a leftist sitcom star prefers Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton

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It has been four years since Roseanne "Bob" Barr, star of the old sitcom Roseanne, ran for president as the nominee of the Peace and Freedom Party. Her running mate was Cindy Sheehan, and they got 67,477 votes. Now there's a documentary about the campaign, called Roseanne For President!, and so The Hollywood Reporter has interviewed the actress about her political opinions.

My concern for what '90s comedians have to say about the world is rather limited, but I found the feature pretty interesting, if only because it shows a onetime symbol of Hollywood liberalism talking politics in a way that's pretty far from the #ImWithHer messaging that's going to gush out of the industry for the next five months. The Q&A covers a lot of ground, from feminism ("You wonder if you should even use the F word anymore") to Mormonism ("The Mormons are just wonderful people and they're very socialist").* But the big topic is the current election, where Barr doesn't make an endorsement—she says "both Trump and Bernie are playing the heel for Hillary"—but she makes her preferences pretty clear.

You probably won't be surprised to hear that she likes Sanders better than Clinton. Bernie and Barr both describe themselves as socialists, and they agree on a lot of issues, though Barr thinks Sanders is too much of a hawk and she doesn't like to see him galavanting around with the pope. What might surprise Barr's fans is her preference in the general election. "I think we would be so lucky if Trump won," she says. "Because then it wouldn't be Hillary."

Q: What's your take on Hillary? What do you think is wrong with her?

A: You don't know?! Well, she hangs out with [President] Bush. Do you need more than that? She's friends with everybody that gives her any goddamned money. The fact is, you don't get to be the nominee without taking a lot of dirty money. You might be the best f—in' person on earth, but if you're hanging out with criminals who do bad things, that matters a lot. That's why I ran, because no, I don't hang out with criminals and I don't take their money and I'm not paid to help sell nuclear weapons. I like Trump because he financed his own [campaign]. That's the only way he could've gotten that nomination. Because nobody wants a president who isn't from Yale and Harvard and in the club. 'Cause it's all about distribution. When you're in the club, you've got people that you sell to. That's how money changes hands, that's how business works. If you've got friends there, they scratch your back and blah, blah….But Americans don't even know that much, even though they say they do. They say they believe that people should take money out of politics and then, you know, they send their paycheck to Bernie and off he goes to hang out with the pope on a private jet on that money. The f—in' Pope, are you shittin' me?! And nobody just gives you money, they're not like, "Here's three million, you look good, your hair is nice." No. It's like, "Hey, I'm giving you this money so you can pimp my products when it comes time."…

Q: Will Trump act in people's interest?

A: To me, he's saying that the order of law matters. When a president can just pass laws all on his own, that is a little bit different than what America was supposed to be about. And Trump is saying people will have to be vetted, we'll have to have legal immigration. It's all a scam. I mean, illegal immigration. When people come here and they get a lot of benefits that our own veterans don't get. What's up with that?

That's not the position on immigration that I would have expected Barr to take, but celebrity politics is full of surprises. There's no reason Roseanne Conner can't have a little Archie Bunker in her.

At any rate, it's not clear from this whether she plans to vote for Trump, to vote for a third-party candidate, or just to stay home. (She does say that voting "doesn't matter at all. And if it did, they wouldn't let you do it.") But it's pretty clear which of the big two she'll be rooting for.

(* Barr's comment about Mormon socialism does have some historical grounding, though I doubt many contemporary Mormons would embrace the s-word. There is a tradition of anti-state socialism that favors cooperatives, communes, and other independent institutions rather than government control. And 19th-century Utah was overflowing with Mormon co-ops, to the point where one anarchist of the era—Dyer Lum—declared happily that the cooperative system in Deseret existed "on a grander scale than anywhere else in the world.")

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  1. Would have during her “Tom Arnold phase.”

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  2. * Barr’s comment about Mormon socialism does have some historical grounding, though I doubt many contemporary Mormons would embrace the s-word.

    My guess is the Mormons wouldn’t embrace the s-word because unlike the self-described socialists that actually exist in my government, I’ve never had a Mormon force socialism down my throat at gunpoint. So yeah, I’ve half a mind to say that ain’t socialism.

    1. Commune-ism?

      1. I thought it was called communalism?
        All these amorphous definitions make debate impossible. Socialism can’t mean “state ownership of the means of production” and also be compatible with anarchism. Either your commune operates on a voluntary basis, or it doesn’t. Most advocates of socialism take the involuntary route.

        1. Semi-voluntary communalism.

          1. Stop that! This is MY anarchy.

    2. Exactly. The Mormons are socialistic in their private group. They aren’t socialistic in the I need to force other people to give up their money so that it can be given to others sense.

      1. Mormon communal life actually has a lot in common with distributivist economics (albeit historically a prairie form). In its late-19th century heyday, there were a number of back-and-forth between Mormon and Catholic writers on social thought because of these similarities (I sometimes wonder how much the friendship/working relationship of men like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan comes from that sort of dialogical history).

        Given the somewhat oblique references to distributivism that Johnson made in one interview of late, I wonder how libertarians (understanding the way the ticket seems loathe to appeal to us on the Right this year) might be able to talk to heavily-Morman communities in the West via that same sort of third-way subsidiarity.

    3. I’ve never had a Mormon force socialism down my throat at gunpoint.

      They try to lure you in with young boys.

      Well. Maybe not you. Just in general.

      1. You must really look forward to Saturday mornings.

        1. Mormon missionaries proselytize everyday, now that’s diligence!

      2. You got a thing for boys with ties on bicycles?

        1. As formally one of those boys I can attest to the attraction the ladies had for us. In the mind of the outsider we were considered almost as unattainable as Brad Pitt, which only made the women AND gay men more hot and bothered. Strippers, high school and college students, single moms and even married women, you name it. Plus, the majority of us were fit, outgoing, articulate and good looking. A winning combination.

      3. They try to lure you in with young boys.

        For me, it was exceptionally comely young women with beautiful smiles, ample bosoms and legs that went on for miles.

        Someone tell me why the Hell I’m not a Mormon again?

        1. Because the miles those legs went on for didn’t stop at your door?

        2. They’re also man hungry, and have all that sexuality all bottled up and ready to explode in fun and interesting ways.

          1. But you have to buy into their cult whole hog. Just ask Glenn Beck. He was a bonofide alcoholic before this particular mormon lady walked into his life.

            Looking at how it turned out for hom, probably worth it.

    4. Mormons in power still try to force their morals on everybody, such as drinking, tobacco, porno, all the usual sins. But out of power, they are some of the best voluntary collectivists you can find.

      I suppose Amish are something similar, except I think they do their damnedest to stay out of government.

      1. Regarding the Mormon positions on tobacco, alcohol, amd porn; the only difference from the Progressive Left I see is that the Mormons are prepared to cop to wanting to ban all three. The Progressives haven’t the guts to admit it.

        1. Nah, only in Utah. Besides there are too many Jack Mormons(Mormons in name only) for any of that prohibition to stick.Hell, at least Utah still has full nude strip clubs.

      2. The Amish treat their women like animals.

        1. Well, some chicks like it rough.

      3. Collectivism can be a good thing on a small scale, as long as it’s voluntary.

    5. No, but most of them will relentlessly exercise and engage in apologia for their ability as a “political majority” (where in fact this is the case) to aggressively enforce arbitrary and and onerous”socially conservative” standards of conduct using armed police.

      Tomato tomato, if you ask me. Especially given that most self-described “socialists” either don’t know or cannot agree on what the term even means.

    6. Mormons aren’t socialist. Tithing and and community services emitting the church are encouraged, but in no way compulsory. With socialism, they take your money with a gun to your head, or at least the threat of it. Which is a key distinction.

  3. “I think we would be so lucky if Trump won,” she says. “Because then it wouldn’t be Hillary.”

    Well, she’s not the first person to say that.

  4. sitcom star

    That’s very generous of you, Jesse.

    1. Did you live through the 90s? The show was huge. And probably the best-written sitcom of its era.

      1. It was good until Barr got on her political soapbox and then Goodman’s like what the hell am I even doing here.

        1. Yeah, the first few years were definitely better.

    2. It was a top 20 show, ratings-wise, for 8 out of it’s 9 seasons! My favorite “Becky,” Lecy Goranson, left the show to attend Vassar. Don’t ever quit a job to move to Poughkeepsie.

      1. Everybody liked the other Becky for some strange reason.

        1. It was also Johnny Galecki’s second-best work. His best work, of course, was his performance of Ira in the underappreciated film Suicide Kings.

          1. You’re the man, Ira

        2. I don’t think I even ever watched it when Becky 2 was there

      2. Becky 1 was nice when she was 14 or 15, but then she grew out of her cute period. I never liked Becky 2 much until she went to Scrubs, and then it was “OMG how did she get to be so hot?”

    3. She did become a red giant in her twilight years.

  5. I… I… I don’t know which awesome thing to quote first. Fucking A. That doesn’t happen often.

  6. Whycome raisin is stumpin for Trump?

  7. favors cooperatives, communes, and other independent institutions rather than government control

    I recall reading about a lot of commune stuff (e.g. the Oneida Community) going on in upstate NY in the same time and place that Mormonism was birthed.

      1. Heh yup, although Oneida is outside the highlighted area.

    1. The United States has a tendency to spawn splinter sects of Protestant Christianity with some regularity. They are typically communal, frequently polygamous (and occasionally celebate), and usually annoy the neighbors. Some (Oneida in NY, Amana in Iowa) settle down and are very successful in the long run. Others go the Branch Davidian route. The Mormons kinda did both.

  8. I don’t hang out with criminals and I don’t take their money and I’m not paid to help sell nuclear weapons

    Derka, derka, derka. Sherpa. Muhammad, Jihad, Allah.

    1. Merica. Fck Yeah.

  9. voting doesn’t matter at all. And if it did they wouldn’t let you do it.

    That’s… actually pretty good.

    1. I live in California and have been a permanent absentee ballot voter for ages. I skipped this primary; if they send me the ballot for the general, I may vote. But I write fewer and fewer letter to Congress, so my primary rationale is disappearing.

      That quote is good — if elections actually changed anything, our betters would stop propagandizing for them.

  10. That’s not?the position on?immigration that I would have expected Barr to take, but celebrity politics is full of surprises. There’s no reason?Roseanne Conner can’t have?a little Archie Bunker in her.

    Except that Sanders told Vox last year that “open borders” was a right-wing conspiracy led by the Koch Brothers (!), so it shouldn’t surprise you.

    I’ve argued this among my prog and conservative friends for years: If you’re for free trade — sending American dollars to poor people in other countries in exchange for cheaper goods — you should be extremely pro-immigration (including and especially “illegal” immigration).

    If you’re against free trade as pro-union progs are (“DEY TUK ER JERBS!”) then at some point you’re going to be anti-immigration because all you’re doing is taking those poor people from other countries and brining them here to work (and compete for jobs).

    So the next time Elizabeth Warren says trade allows corporations(!) to ship jobs overseas, remind that ignoramus how she’s “pro-immigrant” which means corporations can still “ship jobs” to foreigners once the foreigners are brought here.

    /derp

    1. Except that Sanders told Vox last year that “open borders” was a right-wing conspiracy led by the Koch Brothers (!), so it shouldn’t surprise you.

      Yeah, I know. But I think of border-control liberalism as more of a union thing than a Hollywood thing.

      (Hmm. Now I wonder what SAG has to say about immigration…)

      1. (Hmm. Now I wonder what SAG has to say about immigration…)

        I’m guessing they’ll pay lip service to it like a lot of progs do, because they know it will invariably challenge their stranglehold on power.

        Immigration is competition. In a free market, that’s a wonderful thing, and it takes care of one of the progs’ most cherished issues: “diversity.”

        If you notice the institutions being attacked for not having enough diversity in positions of authority? It’s Hollywood, academia, the media, and the Democratic Party. All run by progs.

        1. Immigration isn’t so wonderful when you have a disproportionate flood of impoverished illiterates going on the public dole upon arrival. Especially when unemployment is sky hig already.

      2. Get rid of the welfare state first, then open the borders. Let hospitals/doctors deny care to people who have no intention of paying, then open the borders, with my blessing.

        I’ll be all for open borders as soon as illegals can’t use fraudulent documentation and stolen IDs to hop right on welfare and grunt out their many ni?os on Medicaid.

    2. Elizabeth Warren says trade allows corporations(!) to ship jobs overseas, remind that ignoramus

      I think she’s a lying demagogue who knows how to work the rabble, as opposed to being an ignoramus.

      But maybe I’m wrong. Her knowledge is maybe as authentic as her Indian ancestry.

      1. Hmm. You raise a good point.

        I tend to think it’s a combination of being an ignoramus and the fact that with free trade, you won’t get votes in political elections. So, better to bring the poor foreigners here as immigrants assuming they’ll consistently vote Democratic. But if they stay in those poor countries and wish to trade with us to improve their lives? Well, then fuck ’em.

      2. Let them eat cake!

    3. The taking of sides in politics has NOTHING to do with logic or reason. Every issue gets a coin flip. If heads, then the Red Tribe is Pro and the Blue Tribe is Anti. If tails, the reverse is true.

  11. They say they believe that people should take money out of politics and then, you know, they send their paycheck to Bernie and off he goes to hang out with the pope on a private jet on that money. The f?in’ Pope, are you shittin’ me?!

    If only Reasonable allowed signature lines. Oh! the fun we could have, if Reasonable allowed signature lines.

    1. That would be swell.

    2. they send their paycheck to Bernie and off he goes to hang out with the pope on a private jet on that money

      “Dachas for THEM!
      Unpainted, grey, concrete apartment buildings for US!”

      Well, yes, welcome to socialism.

  12. Speaking of crazy people-

    I am beginning to think David Brooks is even crazier than Krugabe. His current crypto-spiritualist communitarian homily is like a faint, plaintive wail drifting up from the deepest levels of the rabbit hole.

    The guy’s nuts, I tells ya.

    1. Which of his crypto-spiritualist communitarian homilies are you referring to?

        1. What the actual fuck?

        2. “We need to be more communal in an age that’s overly individualistic”

          And, there you have it! ;-(

  13. Q: What’s your take on Hillary? What do you think is wrong with her?

    A: You don’t know?! Well, she hangs out with [President] Bush. Do you need more than that? She’s friends with everybody that gives her any goddamned money.

    Even now, illiberals are huddling together, asking, “Can she say that?”

    1. “…illiberals…”

      Thanks for using the correct terminology.

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  15. I hope she sings the national anthem at his inauguration.

    1. + and then grabs his crotch

  16. There seems to be a meme among “serious” pundits that Trump is a far worse disaster than Hillary, because he has no principles.

    I disagree. Trump is a gadabout, a flighty temperamental fidgeter, unlikely to bear down and focus to get anything done. He also has businesses to run, which is bound to distract him from the “serious” business of telling everybody else how to live. He’s like one of those simplistic floor crawlers which, upon bumping into a chair leg or wall or any kind of obstacle, backs up and tries a new random course.

    Hillary, on the other hand, is deadly serious about making everybody do what she wants, about massive social changes, about expanding government, about telling the elites what to tell the hoi-poloi to do. She has 30+ years of heavyweight political experience and knows where too many skeletons are buried, including hers.

    Anyone dedicated as she is to pure raw power is far more dangerous than a gadabout like Trump.

    1. The same people will be telling them both what to do

      1. The Koch brothers?

        /sarc

    2. It’s possible you’re right. It’s also possible that a guy as insecure as Trump would find the power quite corrupting and pull all kinds of evil shenanigans. It’s hard to say what exactly, because there’s no track record (which Hillary has, so we know what kind of horror she’d be). The hope would be that he’d have reasonable people whispering in his ear… but do we think there are any “reasonable” people who’d want to be that close to him?

    3. Hillary’s problem is that she’s a terrible politician when it comes to the single most important part: politicking. She may have experience, focus, drive, the backing of the establishment, etc., but she just can’t help but make people dislike her. “People” including many of her would-be allies: Democratic voters and legislators.

      So, I expect her to be a de facto “lame duck” from the moment of her inauguration. Her agenda is too politically untenable, her decision-making too autocratic. She will find herself tilting at windmills.

      With Trump, I worry that his populism will unduly empower him. On the other hand, his only concrete proposals so far seem to building an impossible wall, and implementing equally-impossible trade tariffs with China. On the other hand, what is the chance that he really doesn’t know these are impossibilities? And if he does know that, than what is his real agenda? And will he find himself empowered to carry it out?

      1. Good points, and better questions.

      2. A Face in the Crowd – “Lonesome” Rhodes.

        Probably one of the most underrated political films of all time.

  17. Blow-hard favors blow-hard? My goodness!

  18. Roseanne “Bob” Barr

    Excellent.

    1. I think I’m still friends with Bob Barr on Facebook. Thaddeus McCotter too.

  19. The left’s inability to differentiate between the stupid but pretty small opposition to legal immigration and the arguably justified and widespread opposition to illegal immigration might just cost them this election. Gary’s really gotta get in these debates!

  20. I’ll agree with her on this much. It’s absolutely insane that there are 4000 colleges in the U.S., and we’ve given the country’s highest office to someone from one of two schools for 28 consecutive years and are prepping to make it more with Hil. I doubt an average voter could name the college or law school of anyone they’ve ever voted for, yet it still happens.

    1. There was a moment in a 2004 debate between George W. Bush and John Kerry when Bush is asked something along the lines of how he feels about Kerry. He starts off by saying, “Well, he went to Yale, nothin wrong with that.” And they both share they private chuckle, like, yup, it doesn’t really matter which one of us win.

      1. Why do people say stupid shit like this?

        Oh they went to the same school, blah, blah, blah…….

        Yeah. So did that asshole that made you life hell.

        People aren’t automatic allies because they went to the same school. Usually, former classmates are some of the people you loathe the most.

  21. Why a leftist sitcom star prefers Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton

    The better question is why should anyone give 2 shits what Rosanne Barr thinks about anything.

    1. ^^^^ This!

      It blows my mind when Hollywood types express their political opinions and assume they deserve more respect than any common folk. Even when I like what I’m hearing.

  22. I started reading her quote and had to stop because I could actually hear it in her voice.

  23. “Roseanne “Bob” Barr”

    Ouch. I recognize that there’s lingering ill-feeling among libertarians about the 2008 election, but that’s a bit harsh.

  24. I would bet that this Barr character gets a regular PSA test at the doctor.

  25. anti-state socialism

    Is that anything like anti-Christ Christianity? Socialism is the coercive state-owned means of production; there’s no such beast as anti-state socialism, no matter what the various “anarchists” might insist. If you’re a socialist, you’re necessarily a statist. This is one fight for the dictionary that matters; the word socialism can’t be allowed to become so vague that it means anything at all.

    Like most every other American waving the socialist banner, Barr doesn’t distinguish between voluntary communes of people who share cultural bonds and coercive economic systems that tend to totalitarianism. Turns out there’s a difference between families and communities that care about one another and North Korea.

    1. This is one fight for the dictionary that matters; the word socialism can’t be allowed to become so vague that it means anything at all.

      This meaning is well over 100 years old.

      1. ya but I think that is part of Knarf’s point… the Ignoratii n the US today are broadening the definition so the proletariat will thinks it’s soft and yummy and before you know it the sheep will be sheared by the statist elite.

    2. “Socialism is the coercive state-owned means of production”

      I thought that was communism. Socialism is just capitalism with a few communistic frills, like publicly funded education, infrastructure, progressive taxation etc.

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  27. “I mean, illegal immigration. When people come here and they get a lot of benefits that our own veterans don’t get.”

    Is the author seriously disputing that this occurs? The bemused, patronizing dismissiveness of the ignorant…

    1. “When people come here and they get a lot of benefits that our own veterans don’t get”

      Not only do veterans get paid for their services, which they voluntarily provide, but they are also benefit from the most Socialistic programmes that the US has on offer, from generous assistance in education to free medical care.

      1. Yeah, go ahead and look at the ‘separate but equal’ veteran facilities and you’ll see why they’re desperate to use Tri-care ANYWHERE ELSE.

        1. What is Tri-care ANYWHERE ELSE?

  28. I find myself aligned or at least mostly sympathetic with most of the coverage and opinions in Reason, but maybe you regulars can help me square something: How it is not a conflict to promote open borders while at once railing against the welfare state when statistics confirm that the former helps to enlarge the latter? What’s the long game to this strategy as policy, or am I being racist by even pointing out the connection?

  29. How it is not a conflict to promote open borders while at once railing against the welfare state when statistics confirm that the former helps to enlarge the latter?

    When people say “the former helps to enlarge the latter,” they generally mean “immigrants tend to vote against Republicans.” And even if that’s true, I can’t say I’m interested in restricting people’s freedom of movement and freedom of contract just to preserve a political party’s power. (Free speech allows people to argue in favor of all sorts of programs I dislike, and sometimes those people win. That isn’t a good reason to support restrictions on free speech.) And even if I were inclined to support such restrictions, since when does ensuring Republican victories have anything to do with expanding freedom? With a handful of exceptions, the GOP is not a particularly pro-liberty institution?especially when it’s in power.

    1. When people say “the former helps to enlarge the latter,” they generally mean “immigrants tend to vote against Republicans.”

      I’ve never heard people saying anything like this, except in the Reason comments. I’ve also read people here rejecting voting reforms proposals favourable to 3rd parties like ‘none of the above’ on basically the same grounds, that such reforms would disadvantage the Republicans.

      1. I voted last Tuesday. Lord how I longed for “none of the above”.

        For many years I’ve said that should be a permanent candidate. And, if it wins, the position is vacated and remains so until at least the next election cycle.

    2. What it means, statistically, is that Mexican immigrants and illegal immigrants are large consumers of social services. And how does restricting the movement of non-citizens availing themselves of citizens’ rights have anything to do with restricting American freedom by way of structuring a more sane immigration policy — or how about an immigration policy period?

      As a matter of realpolitik, I don’t see any advantage in supporting open borders if it undermines the goal of smaller government. Calling for immigration reform should at least be filed under the realm of practicality rather than racism.

      1. “As a matter of realpolitik…”

        These borders don’t close themselves. Unless Mexicans are willing to take up that work, it’ll fall on the US government. More police, more immigration bureaucracy and regulation. Is that your idea of smaller government?

        1. No. But in terms of dollars spent, I’ll willing to guess fewer would be spent on that bureaucracy than the various agencies administering the benefits. The better tactic is just addressing social services benefits directly. Cut off that spigot and you just might see a direct correlation with reduced immigration numbers. Of course so long as two illegals having a baby equals a US citizen, that’s an upstream swim.

          1. “I’ll willing to guess fewer would be spent on that bureaucracy than the various agencies administering the benefits.”

            Maybe you’re right. Who knows? One thing you can be sure of whatever amount you’re happy to spend on police and border closing bureaucracy, you’ll be spending more next year, and more still the year after that. Are you Republican or Libertarian? If you consider yourself a Libertarian, I’m surprised you are advocating greater state involvement, more police and more bureaucracy as a solution to anything. It’s that ‘statist?’

            “Of course so long as two illegals having a baby equals a US citizen, that’s an upstream swim.”

            I’ve always been in favour of more oversight when it comes to sex between illegals. But I’m a pervert. What’s your excuse?

            1. I consider myself a Libertarian and I’m really just exploring solutions. That said, perhaps only one of us sees a problem? Unchecked immigration leads to more spending and bureaucracy in an expanded welfare state, right? So while adding any kind of immigration bureaucracy is distasteful I’m looking for the least expensive fix. I don’t feel morally obligated to fix Mexico. Full stop.

              I hadn’t considered monitoring illegals in the act of sex, but you may be on to something!

              1. ” I don’t feel morally obligated to fix Mexico.”

                I think the moral obligation is to let people move where they see fit. Especially for libertarians who believe in the free movement of goods. It’s immoral to deny humans the same freedom.

                Besides, making entry illegal guarantees the existence of exploitative gangs who only add to suffering. Perhaps even force otherwise innocent people into defrauding welfare and taking the money for themselves. This is the inevitable result of going to the state for your solutions.

                1. How about we let them move where they see fit but don’t offer any pubic assistance. If I have to pay for their “freedom of movement” doesn’t that in turn infringe upon my freedom, given that I’m helping to foot the bill? The short answer is yes, and I have a say in whether I want to participate.

                  1. “How about we let them move where they see fit but don’t offer any pubic assistance.”

                    If someone is in need of public assistance, I see no reason to deny them because they lack the right papers. That’s an infringement on your freedom but no more so than the native born receiving assistance. If this is your concern, your focus should be on eliminating assistance to the native born who soak up the overwhelming share of welfare. I think immigrants, both legal and illegal, make a positive contribution on the whole.

                    1. No doubt the focus on entitlement reform should be systemic; my overall point was that a non-citizen should not be allowed to tap into in the first place. There’s little things like budgets to consider as it concerns your comment about the “the right papers.” Perhaps you think those entitlement expenditures on illegals are a worthy social investment. Okay. I advocate we follow the path of most countries and more carefully filter those seeking citizenship and reject those who don’t seek it above the law. I fail to see how that’s not in our best interest.

                    2. ” I fail to see how that’s not in our best interest.”

                      Looking to the state for a solution guarantees that criminals and criminal gangs will take an increasingly prominent role in immigration. Think drug war. More bureaucracy, more regulation, more police and more criminals. This is not in anyone’s best interest, least of all the illegal immigrant who is just trying to make a better life for himself, and whose life is no less valuable simply for having been born on the other side of a border.

          2. I work with these people. I can empathize. But, I can’t sympathize.

            Just this morning I watched as one dropped off her “day laborer” husband in front of Home Depot………in a brand new, Mercedes SUV. The 550 version no less!

            Twenty minutes later, I saw her fueling it up a the same gas station I had stopped at. Apparently she was on her way to work as a “cash based” domestic.

            You can be sure they are receiving social welfare benefits. I work directly with their advocates who are always claiming that they don’t make that much in cash; that they wouldn’t pay taxes anyway; that they deserve all the social benefits they get.

            If they were still in their homeland, they wouldn’t even own a car let alone a luxury vehicle. There would be no government benefits for them. They’d be living hand-to-mouth.

            There is a reason they are attracted to liberal California. When you spread bird seed around, you attract birds!

            1. You don’t have to convince me that illegals commit welfare fraud. Some of them will do so if it’s relatively easy to do. But that’s in the nature of immigrants in general. They are by nature risk takers and willing to take the initiative. And of course, there’s potential for a criminal side to that kind of character. But I think immigrants, both legal and illegal, are on balance a positive contribution to ‘society’ or however you want to put it. Don’t have any statistics to back that up, but that’s what I believe, and want to believe.

        2. No. But in terms of dollars spent, I’ll willing to guess fewer would be spent on that bureaucracy than the various agencies administering the benefits. The better tactic is just addressing social services benefits directly. Cut off that spigot and you just might see a direct correlation with reduced immigration numbers. Of course so long as two illegals having a baby equals a US citizen, that’s an upstream swim.

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