Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton Declares Victory, Claims Democratic Party's Nomination

Clinton won New Jersey tonight, and as polls closed in California Clinton was on verge of becoming first woman to lead a major party's presidential ticket.

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California's polls were still open when Hillary Clinton came on stage in Brooklyn and said to her supporters, "Thanks to you, we have reached a milestone. For the first time in American history a woman will be a major party's nominee for president."

In New Jersey, where Clinton had been polling double-digits ahead of Bernie Sanders, she was declared the winner by CNN with just about 20 percent of the vote in. She was ahead an hour after the polls there closed 58.5 percent to 41.5 percent. New Jersey has 126 delegates to distribute. The AP declared yesterday evening she had reached enough delegates (barely) to hit the 2,383 necessary to lay claim to the nomination. Her campaign declined to acknowledge the threshold this morning, but clearly the New Jersey projection had been planned all along as a backdrop for this announcement.

She accused Donald Trump of wanting to take America backwards, to a time where there was "opportunity and dignity for some, not all." She slammed Trump's verbal excesses, including his recent tear over having a Latino judge overseeing the class action case against Trump University. She congratulated Sanders for running a strong campaign.

California's polls close at 8 p.m. Pacific time, 11 p.m. Eastern. The advance polls for California are very close, so expect updates in the evening. Keep in mind that California's 475 delegates are awarded based on districts, so if Sanders narrowly wins, it might not help him very much in closing the delegate gap between them. UPDATE: With a little more than 30 percent of the California vote counted, Clinton is holding a huge lead, 62 to 37 percent.

Here's how votes in the smaller states today are turning out (this will be updated once states are called):

  • Montana: With 53 percent of the vote in, Sander is ahead, 48 to 47 percent (21 delegates at stake)
  • New Mexico: Hillary Clinton projected the winner (34 delegates at stake)
  • North Dakota: Bernie Sanders projected the winner (18 delegates at stake)
  • South Dakota: Hillary Clinton projected the winner (20 delegates at stake)

Bernie Sanders has promised to stay in the campaign until the convention, using his popularity among younger voters to influence the party's platform toward democratic socialism. CNN's exit polls over the course of the primaries showed a vast majority of voters under age 29 voted for Sanders (71 percent of them) and a majority (64 percent) of independent voters who cast ballots in Democratic primaries voted for Sanders.

Clinton's latest campaign ad released today leaned heavily on her identity as a woman and the history she would make as the first female president. Elizabeth Nolan Brown wrote earlier today about the historic nature of Clinton's likely nomination and why it's not causing as much of a response as it might have in the past. The video also preceded her speech tonight.

Prior to Clinton's appearance this evening, Donald Trump took to the stage (to "We Are the Champions") to give a rare telepromptered speech. He called for Sanders' voters to come and support Trump (referring to the Democrats' superdelegate system as "rigged"), adding that they have the exact same position in hating international free trade. He gave some very Sandersesque comments, asking "Who runs the country? The special interests or the people?" He blasted the Clintons for taking money from foreign governments to give them favors and suggested that he was going to give a speech next Monday to talk more about the Clintons. He did not mention his public comments about the judge overseeing the Trump University case.

As for Sanders, he's reportedly planning to lay off at least half of his campaign staff.

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  1. Honestly, I know a lot of people will be unhappy with this, but I think of it as dodging at least one bullet. For an open capital-S Socialist to make it all the way to candidacy would have been disastrous, but it looks like the Millennial Marxists’ dreams are staved off for a least a little longer. Now we just need to get the ‘beest in prison where she belongs.

    1. I think I’d rather have a outright socialist candidate than a candidate who can win the nomination despite accepting donations from a foreign government while she was the Secretary of State.

      An outright socialist candidate suggests that a huge chunk of the American people are terribly misguided about how the economy works.

      Nominating someone who accepted donations from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State suggests that a huge chunk of the American people are hopelessly out of reach on issues of propriety, decency, corruption, integrity, etc.

      Would you rather the American people willfully endorsed someone who was factually incorrect or willfully evil?

      1. Would you rather the American people willfully endorsed someone who was factually incorrect or willfully evil?

        What difference, at this point, does it make?

        1. Nominating someone who accepted donations from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State suggests that a huge chunk of the American people are hopelessly out of reach on issues of propriety, decency, corruption, integrity, etc.

          Ken, although I agree with you, most of the voters have no clue about Clinton using the State Department to solicit donations and peddle in blatant “pay-to-play” schemes.

          Ask the voters about Uranium One, most couldn’t tell you.

          No, Hillbot voters couldn’t care less but some of the moderate Dems might care if they actually knew.

          1. most of the voters have no clue about […] blatant “pay-to-play” schemes.

            Which is pretty astonishing given that that is pretty much how local government works. Why we think pols on the national stage are any “better” is a mystery to me.

            1. Cuz da congris peepl hav mor “press-steej.”

              They really do think of themselves as royalty. And so do their voters.

          2. Well, we need to start telling them about it.

            Start off by sending links like this one from the right wing Washington Post:

            “The Clinton Foundation accepted millions of dollars from seven foreign governments during Hillary Rodham Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state, including one donation that violated its ethics agreement with the Obama administration, foundation officials disclosed Wednesday.”

            —-Washington Post, February 25, 2015

            http://tinyurl.com/o3b9e53

            And then there’s this one detailing how much money each country gave Hillary Clinton while she was the Secretary of State along with how much each of the defense contractors that needed her approval for sales to those foreign countries gave to Hillary Clinton.

            “Hillary Clinton Oversaw US Arms Deals to Clinton Foundation Donors”

            http://tinyurl.com/o6x639e

            —-Mother Jones, May 28, 2015

            It usually takes a long time for these kinds of scandals to sink into the American consciousness. You’d think it wouldn’t take so long when the problem child is the Democratic front runner. And fer Cripe’s sake, this information has been sitting out there in public for more than a year now.

            1. It’s time to stop focusing on what Hillary said behind the American people’s back in her secret emails and start showing the American people what Hillary did right in front of their faces.

              I guess if she murdered someone in broad daylight and on camera, it wouldn’t be interesting. To get people interested, she’d have to murder someone behind closed doors–and there’d have to be some question about whether she actually did it.

              1. I guess if she murdered someone in broad daylight and on camera, it wouldn’t be interesting. To get people interested, she’d have to murder someone behind closed doors–and there’d have to be some question about whether she actually did it.

                Even in broad daylight, she’d still answerdeny in her usual mendacious way and spin spin spin.

                1. And people probably wouldn’t care because Trump. He’s her meal ticket.

                2. Just to be clear, I’m not talking about the candidates themselves.

                  I’m talking about the American people.

                  There’s some kind of cognitive bias that makes people think that if something happens in secret, then it must be morally wrong, and if it happens in front of the cameras in broad daylight, then it must be okay.

                  Clinton has been doing her worst things in public in broad daylight and announcing via press conferences that she’s going to keep doing the worst things imaginable (i.e., accepting donations from foreign governments), and the part of me that wants to think the best of my fellow Americans wants to believe their lack of outrage is a function of that cognitive bias.

                  I feel sorry for the friends and family of people who know about these things and enthusiastically supported Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders anyway. These are not the kinds of people you want in your life or you want to have to depend on. And, again, I’m not talking about the candidates themselves. I’m talking about the average Americans who support Hillary Clinton. These are not the people you want working in accounts payable department. They aren’t to be trusted.

                  1. Fair enough. I’m colleagues with one of these people. She’s self-destructive and alienates people around her.

        2. People who are wrong on the facts can’t be reached without a sense of propriety, decency, integrity, etc.

          For people who are hopelessly out of reach on issues of propriety, decency, corruption, integrity, etc., being wrong on the facts is the least of their problems.

          Imagine a world of people like Tony, who don’t care if they’re wrong or right–so long as they get the policies they want. They don’t even care if the policies are wrong or right–so long as they get the policies they want.

          1. True. Well said.

      2. actually incorrect or willfully evil?

        To be a socialist is to be both.

        1. This.

        2. I think there are naive socialists out there.

          Very few of us were born libertarian. We were persuaded away from mainstream socialism and authoritarianism.

          And the reason we were susceptible to persuasion was because we had some semblance of honesty, integrity, decency, etc. We want to be right, and when we’re shown to be in error, at some level, we want to correct that. It matters to us that we’re correct and not incorrect, right and not wrong, etc.

          The kinds of people I’m talking about who enthusiastically support Hillary don’t care about those things. It’s hard for those of us with a semblance of integrity to really grok the intellectually psychopathic among us–who don’t care whether they’re right or wrong, who don’t care if what they’re doing is moral or immoral, etc.

          Look at Tony to understand that mentality. He truly doesn’t care whether he’s right or wrong, moral or immoral, etc. He wants what he wants regardless of whether it’s right or wrong, moral or immoral, and that is why he cannot be persuaded. Those kinds of people, I believe, are the enthusiastic Hillary supporters.

          Surely, there’s a difference between naive socialists who genuinely believe they’re helping people, on the one hand, and people, on the other hand, who don’t care whether socialism harms people–they want it anyway.

          1. Ken, I thought that about Sanders too at first, but after reading about his past, and the support and apologia for dictatorships, I can’t stand by it any more. Sanders isn’t a good person, and as much as Clinton sucks, I’d rather she win than him. We’ve had corrupt politicians for centuries. We will survive that. We have never had a socialist get this close to getting elected. That is new, and scary.

            1. Again, I’m not talking about the candidates.

              I’m talking about their supporters.

              I’m talking about the American people.

              There are naive socialists out there–among the American people. They honestly believe what they’re doing is good and right.

              Then there are the Tonys out there. . . . and they don’t give a shit whether what they’re doing is good and right. Those are the people who were supporting Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. They cannot know about Hillary Clinton’s past, genuinely support her against Bernie Sanders, and be genuinely honest people, as well. Honest people cannot disagree about Hillary Clinton being a truly disgusting human being.

              Honest people can be wrong about socialism.

            2. Hitchens was a Trotskyist back in the day. When his friend Martin Amis questioned him on that communism, it wasn’t to call him out specifically as dishonest. It was more along the lines of “How could you?!”.

              I disagreed with Hitchens on pretty much everything, but in his later American years, after listening to and reading so much of him, I didn’t doubt his integrity or his ability to be persuaded. I think the part of him that was communist, back in the day, was the same part of him that wanted to see vicious dictators like Saddam Hussein overthrown. I think he was wrong about Trotskyism, the Iraq War, religion, and a host of other things–but I wouldn’t question his integrity.

              Even when Hitchens was unabashedly leftist, he skewered the Clintons for their disgraceful dishonesty. You can be honestly wrong. You can’t be honestly wrong about supporting Hillary Clinton. In order to honestly support Hillary Clinton (rather than merely oppose Trump), you have to go beyond the pale. It’s not drinking the Kook Aide either. To support Hillary with enthusiasm, you have to give up on your own personal integrity–or be completely ignorant of her.

              These are not honest liberals. These are not honest people. They’re willfully dishonest. Really, I think it’s just hard for honest people to truly grok a total disregard for integrity.

              To not care whether one is right or wrong is an amazing thing–and hard to understand.

              1. “No One Left to Lie To”

                —-Christopher Hitchens on the Clintons

                http://tinyurl.com/hbkojqe

          2. Very few of us were born libertarian. We were persuaded away from mainstream socialism and authoritarianism.

            But at a much earlier age than that, we’re taught not to hurt people or take their stuff.

          3. Well said.

      3. “Nominating someone who accepted donations from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State suggests that a huge chunk of the American people are hopelessly out of reach on issues of propriety, decency, corruption, integrity, etc.”

        So does electing a socialist. The difference is that the corrupt bitch won’t necessarily turn America straight into a bankrupted shithole. Sanders would.

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      5. But Ken, a huge chunk of the American people are hopelessly out of reach on issues of propriety, decency, corruption, integrity, etc.
        Just keep that gravy train stopping at the station every month and whatever the “d” candidate does will not have the slightest effect on them slavishly going to the polls for her/him.

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    2. “Now we just need to get the ‘beest in prison where she belongs.”

      Not if it means President Trump.

      1. Quit corpsefucking the threads with your whining, you Aspie retard.

        1. The ironic thing is that .. the type of people to whom Ken is referring? Cytotoxic is one of them. Zero integrity. Wholly narcissistic. Fuck him.

      2. Putting the beest in prison may be the only way to NOT get President Trump.

        Granmaw Felony is an awful candidate along with being an awful human being.

        She would have lost to an overt Socialist if he had been trying from the beginning. She isn’t going to
        beat Mr. Trump (without massive voter fraud, which is always possible when dealing with Dems).

        1. You underestimate the depth of the negatives Mr. Trumpery drags into the equation.
          He was the only one of the dozen, plus, candidates the Republicans saw putting their names in the mix, who exceeded Herself in that category.
          That the Trumpalumpas had their temper tantrum and chose him virtually guaranteed a HiLIARy win.

  2. Yeah. Playing the vagina card is a really good idea right now….

    1. Playing the vagina card is always a good idea. It’s how things get done.

  3. Hillary Clinton is a crook.

    She accepted donations from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State.

    Last I heard, she was still accepting donations from foreign governments–and had resumed accepting donations from Saudi Arabia.

    Has anyone asked her lately if she’s still continuing to accept donations from Saudi Arabia and other countries, or if she will continue to accept donations from foreign governments if she’s elected President of the United States?

    Because if she plans to continue accepting donations from foreign governments while she’s the President of the United States, I think that’s something the voters should know now.

    1. Her voters don’t care.
      They “earn” their living by selling political influence – their votes for the demoncraps. So the idea that she has done the same, only on a bigger scale, makes her even more admirable.
      As for the e-mails and revealing secrets: to a progressive, we don’t deserve to be able to keep secrets from the rest of the world, since we are the cause of all the troubles. Congress, similarly, has no right to have oversight of someone doing all the enlightened things the progressives want to see done to America, so the private e-mail server makes all the sense, in the world.
      Progressives; they’re different than people.

  4. Donald Trump took to the stage (to “We Are the Champions”) to give a rare telepromptered speech. He called for Sanders’ voters to come and support Trump (referring to the Democrats’ superdelegate system as “rigged”), adding that they have the exact same position in hating international free trade.

    OMFG!

    1. I think The Donald has been onto something for a long time, there.

      I think the part of the registered Republican electorate were from the traditionally Democrat, blue collar constituency, some of his greatest early showings were in states with open primaries (where Democrats could vote for him, too), and those disaffected Democrats who were pulling for Sanders are already bitterly opposed to Hillary.

      Yeah, Donald Trump has been running to the left of Barack Obama on free trade since day one–no reason why Bernie supporters shouldn’t support him rather than Hillary. He loses points on political correctness, but Sanders were disproportionately not black anyway. This progressives social justice warrior phase we’ve been through for the last eight years may not last past the Obama administration.

      1. I think the part of the registered Republican electorate were from the traditionally Democrat, blue collar constituency, some of his greatest early showings were in states with open primaries (where Democrats could vote for him, too), and those disaffected Democrats who were pulling for Sanders are already bitterly opposed to Hillary.

        ^This^

        Ken nails it. I’m tired of hearing about how Donald will “get the Reagan Democrats.” The GOP base *is* the Reagan Democrat. They just don’t care that much about social issues, their foreign policy boils down to “BOMB THEM!!!” and they’re extremely populist on economics. They don’t mind welfare as long as “the right people” get it (older voters are most likely to oppose entitlement reform and they’re a solid GOP voting bloc) and they’re okay with affirmative action if it’s to stop the immigrants because DEY TUK ER JERBS!!!

        I’m surprised unionized Dems aren’t voting for Trump in larger numbers because he promises them what they’ve always wanted: no competition.

        1. But Hillary promises them a huge NLRB hammer. No competition, or punish the boss? Hard choice for unionists to make. Hate the foreigner or hate the management?

      2. He loses points on political correctness, but Sanders were disproportionately not black anyway. This progressives social justice warrior phase we’ve been through for the last eight years may not last past the Obama administration.

        Sanders’ supporters tend to be white, sure, but I assume they’re the type of white person who’s constantly ready to get offended on behalf of minorities. The kind of white person who won’t even say the name of Washington’s NFL team. The kind who feels guilty watching Game of Thrones because of the lack of “characters of color.”

        SJWs don’t seem to be going away. I don’t think they’ll succeed in getting the Redskins to change their name in the next 4 to 8 years, but they’ll be demanding (and often receiving) apologies from somebody. It’s just what they do.

        1. MBC sees things clearly. People who say that Bernie supporters will support Trump have no understanding of those people. None.

        2. I went through this in another thread.

          Suffice it to say, here, that I think whatever is left of the proverbial “honest liberals” was supporting Sanders against Clinton.

          They may be more sensitive to race and gender issues than the rest of the country, but these are also the liberals who think of freedom of speech the way we do, are willing to overlook Sanders’ past on the Second Amendment, etc.

          Your perpetually offended progressives who care more about being perpetually offended than issues or integrity are supporting Hillary Clinton. No honest liberal really wants Hillary Clinton. They’re just afraid of the alternative. Honest liberals actually wanted Bernie Sanders.

          1. ” these are also the liberals who think of freedom of speech the way we do, are willing to overlook Sanders’ past on the Second Amendment, etc.”

            You clearly have never actually talked with these people.

            1. You’re saying that Bernie Sanders supporters are liberals who aren’t willing to overlook his past on the Second Amendment, free speech, etc?

              Maybe you only see what you want to see.

              I mean, if they’re supporting Bernie Sanders rather than Clinton despite those issues, then how can they not be supporting him either because of or despite his stances on those issues?

      3. “those disaffected Democrats who were pulling for Sanders are already bitterly opposed to Hillary.”

        They will overwhelmingly fall in line with the queen bee. Supporting Trump goes against their core identity.

      4. “This progressives social justice warrior phase we’ve been through for the last eight years may not last past the Obama administration.”

        Um…why? Why would they go away when the GOP just nominated a candidate that validates their everything? “We’re totally up against a patriarchy/hetero-normative jerkface world cuz Trump!”

        Trump in so many ways is the best thing that has happened to progs and the DNC in decades.

        1. These dipshits believed the same thing about Mitt Romney and his ‘binders full of women’, so they’d go into a frothing fit about Mister Rogers if he were the GOP nominee.

        2. Before Trump entered the race, it was pretty much a slam-dunk that almost any Republican could beat the Hildebeast, because both she and 0blama were so awful.
          Trump has proven that conventional wisdom to be wrong. Though many don’t, really, consider him a Republican, despite him running on that ticket.

      5. I don’t know if this is wishful thinking on your part or if you haven’t been listening to Sanders or his supporters. He’s spent far more time stumping against Trump than Clinton. He’s literally on my television right now calling Trump a racist, sexist bigot. His supporters are overwhelmingly not blue-collar dudes. They’re at the forefront of the PC crowd. They’re the college students you read articles about every week that demand trigger warnings and speech limitations. If I had to guess, I’d say it’ll be about 50% of Sanders supporters who grudgingly vote for Clinton to stop Trump and 50% who just don’t vote.

  5. The Swiss show a bit of intelligence:
    “Swiss Voters Reject Guaranteed-Income Proposal”
    […]
    “The vote wasn’t even close. Almost 77 percent of voters rejected the proposal that the government give every adult in Switzerland about $2,500 every month. (Children would have received a smaller subsidy of $650.)
    Supporters had argued that the bold social experiment would help eradicate poverty and protect workers in an increasingly automated economy. {those buggy-whip workers really need help!}
    http://www.npr.org/sections/th…..e-proposal

    We can hope that some decent percentage will reject the felon and the blow-hard.

      1. “Or we can be appalled that in a productive and orderly society, nearly a quarter of the population was ready to vote to make itself a ward of the state.”

        Naah.
        Dunno if you’re old enough to have watched Nixon face-plant. Even on the day he ‘resigned’, something close to 25% supported him.
        The founders were not mistaken in avoiding direct democracy; half of the population is below average intelligence and if one other made a mistake, we’re in trouble!

        1. “nearly a quarter of the population was ready to vote to make itself a ward of the state.””

          To be fair that was only among those voting.

          Some libertarian-leaning folks really like the GIP because they want to get rid of the welfare bureaucracy. They’re delusional to think that it’s going to be one or the other. We’d end up with both.

          1. Exactly.

            We’d end up with either a safety net to save the people that blow the first safety net on something else or a even more restrictions on everything to try and prevent people from spending money on things some top man thinks is bad for them.

            Actually, as I think about it, we’d end up with both of those either way.

            1. This is what compromising of principles for technocratic victory will get you. There is a place to compromise in politics, but it ain’t here.

          2. Cytotoxic|6.8.16 @ 12:18AM|#
            “To be fair that was only among those voting.”

            It was nothing of the sort; you’re an ignoramus who posts bullshit. Fuck off.

            1. “Final results from Sunday’s referendum showed that nearly 77% opposed the plan, with only 23% backing it.”

              Wrong again dipshit. Feel free to lay and die already.

              http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36454060

              Lots of good news for freedom from this vote:

              A proposal to speed up the country’s asylum process was backed by nearly 67%
              The Pro Service Public initiative proposing that bosses of big public sector companies should not earn more than government ministers – a reflection of dissatisfaction with railways and telecoms provider Swisscom. It was rejected by 68% of the voters
              A proposal to allow genetic testing of embryos before they are inserted in the uterus in cases of in-vitro fertilisation, where either parent carries a serious hereditary disease. It was passed, with 62% backing it
              Transport financing: An initiative from the car lobby which wants more investment in roads. The government had urged a “No” vote, and it was rejected by 71%.

              1. My mistake.
                I presumed you were referring to what I had posted rather than, as is typical, some other subject you just chose at random.
                Fuck off, ignoramus.

                1. Don’t feed the Shillary trolls

    1. Chapter 1 of On Basilisk Station gives a great rundown on all the reasons why this doesn’t work. Strip away the sci-fi, and the point of it still holds. Any sufficiently large welfare state turns vampire and becomes a threat to every producer around it.

  6. I see that Cruz and Kasich are getting about 20% in NM, and a little less than that in CA (tho’ it’s early there). Interesting.

    1. That does not bode well for Trump.

      1. Yeah an 80% victory. What a disaster.

  7. Yay! Woman!

    *sells stocks, digs bunker*

  8. Donald Trump took to the stage (to “We Are the Champions”)

    I guess he’s a fan of Revenge of the Nerds.

  9. “For the first time in American history a woman will be a major party’s nominee for president.”

    Too bad for Angela Davis.

    1. Major party. So only the elephant or the donkey.

  10. Looks like the polls for the Hillary/Bernie spread in California were way, way off.

    1. It’s still only 8% and with no idea WHICH 8%.

      1. I’m looking at CNN, which shows 27% precincts reporting, and Hillary ahead 63% to 36%. Weren’t they almost dead even in the polls?

        1. I’m looking at Google’s results that just went back down to 7% reporting, but with basically the percentages your are saying.

          As for polls, Clinton was leading 2 to 5% going in to today.

        2. What is strange is that CNN and Google have basically the same number of total votes showing for each candidate. It’s just CNN is saying it’s 31% and Google is saying it’s 8%.

    2. I was wondering about that – and some people were adding that the polls were skewed against first-time voters (presumably more Bernie votes) but the “confusing and unfairly closed” primary requiring non-Democrats to ask for a D ballot (presumably fewer Bernie votes) made it hard to guess the validity of the polls. Still, it almost makes one suspect maybe the media were hyping a tight race just to gin up viewer interest.

  11. So either Clinton or Trump will be sitting in the oval office………… Why do I suddenly feel like this little guy?

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/07/…..index.html

    1. It’s going to be Clinton. This is no contest. It’s a ventriloquist and her dummy.

    1. It’s like a female version of Stalin or Mao.

    2. She’s just a hard-working policy wonk who hates the spotlight, isn’t she?

      1. Anyone who can be called a wonk is probably someone you should defend yourself against at first sight, just saying. Unless, you know, defend yourself intellectually, that would be unfair.

    3. Can’t blame her. The presidency is basically hers.

  12. America deserves to burn in hell for propping up this emotionally unstable, batshit crazy cunt.

    Yes, America, you are THAT stupid.

    1. No doubt they will. And the rest of us too. The only thing that can stop it is a commie or an unpredictable egomaniac.

    2. “Voters have always been the primary victims of elections. Voters lose their rights, their money, their freedoms once the winners take office.”

  13. Here’s what I’m seeing. And it’s not like I have not been seeing it for a while. The GOP, as dumb as they are, stupid party, and all that, are making some progress towards liberty. Why? Really, do you need to ask? Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Justin Amash. What does the Democratic party have that represents liberty?

  14. Women speaking about what a woman nominee means to them.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/07/…..index.html

    “We’re making history,” I said. “A woman is going to be the president of the United States.” My friend, who is a Republican but who is very scared of Donald Trump, quickly corrected me. “Not just a woman,” she said. “The right woman. We will be safe. We will flourish. We will be in good hands.”

    1. I will vomit.

    2. Barf.exe

    3. Hillary will do for women what Obama did for African-Americans.

  15. I know Trump is an unsavory character with terrible ideas, and I was disheartened to see him rise to the top despite MANY missteps that should have sunk him.

    But I honestly don’t know what to think of Clinton’s uninterrupted rise to the top. This woman was rebuked for setting up and using a private email system which contained sensitive materials. But it looks like she’ll rout Sanders in all the blue states. What does that say about the democrat voters? They’ll rather vote for a failed SS who mishandled classified info over a socialist who’s at least intellectually honest?

    The democrats are obsessed with a utopian sense of “equality” and empowerment to the exclusion of ALL ELSE. I’m almost certain they’ll vote for a traitorous cretin with NO loyalty to this nation if the opposition is a republican who said some racist remarks.

    Many actual socialists abroad are actually nationalist. They would NOT support someone like Clinton after she was accused of screwing over the country’s security. Their courts and other process would actually find wasy to arbitrarily kick her out of the election.

    These people are clowns. As a minority, I would say they’re WORSE than the KKK in many practical sense.

    1. I don’t support either of them, not even close will I vote for either. But just like I predicted Obama would win the last 2 elections, Trump will win this one. I just don’t see it happening any other way.

      1. “I just don’t see it happening any other way.”

        But the polls do.

    2. “a socialist who’s at least intellectually honest?”

      Bernie lacks any intellect or honesty.

      Clinton is the product of machine politics and tribalism.

    3. It’s just unfathomable. There is no reason (drink) that they support her beyond TEAM and VAGINA. I’ve tried to legitimately engage her supporters because I don’t understand how, even if you think someone’s plumbing is so important, why her? I can’t get an answer beyond “Trump is scary.” That’s it. There is nothing in her record they can point to (and much of her record contradicts things they say they believe in).

      How the hell did we end up in a place where I’m hoping Donald Fucking Trump wins?

    4. What does that say about the democrat voters? They’ll rather vote for a failed SS who mishandled classified info over a socialist who’s at least intellectually honest?

      That’s what’s so galling about her essentially buying the nomination. Biden would at least have been good for some laughs, and he even has a track record of working across the aisle and compromising so the Republicans would have simply shrugged and said, “Oh well, maybe next time.” If people thought the Obama administration and Congress were contentious, that’s nothing compared to how they’re going to act with Hillary in the seat.

      We make jokes all the time about how the President and Congress fighting all the time would be great because nothing would get done, but the reality is that if she gets the seat, we’re about to enter a very dangerous period of governance because the left is more than ready for the Imperial Presidency to commence.

      1. Exactly. With a willing press and ever more pervasive acceptance of shutting down opposition, her winning is terrifying. All opposition to the supreme leader will now be deemed sexist wrongthink vs racist wrongthink.

    5. The democrats are obsessed with a utopian sense of “equality”

      No they’re not. They just want free shit.

      -jcr

      1. This.

        Democrats complain endlessly about soaring CEO salaries (which are factored into the prices that customers voluntarily pay) but they are not likely to criticize Hillary for raking in the average autoworker’s yearly salary for an hour of narcissistic bloviating that she calls a “speech”.

        They complain (rightfully so) about Republicans finding devious ways to give their corporate cronies a taste of taxpayer money, but they never utter a peep about Obama giving taxpayer money to for-profit corporations that make wind and solar power equipment and calling it “investing in green energy”.

        The bottom line is this: they’re not really against the one percent controlling most of the wealth; they just want to trade places with the one percent.

  16. Watching this live. Trump has more votes than Bernie. Now you can figure this this out for yourself, or you can not, I don’t really care.

  17. Oh, good. Cytofascist to provide guidance from Canuckistan to a country of which he is not a citizen, but is OH so knowledgeable and instructive. You can’t pay money to get counsel this good! Only for free, on the interwebz. God be praised for his wisdom! All hail Cytofascist!

    1. Yup. You better be grateful for one of the apparently very few people who can see things clearly and does not have a cunt where the brain should be.

      And that’s ‘Mr. Cytotoxic’ to you.

    2. Aren’t war mongering Hillary bot shills so wonderfully delightful?

      1. You forgot neocon. You don’t understand the words you’re using, so you may as well use all the ones you got.

  18. The fact that this evil wretch of a woman’s victory is a *relief* says oodles about this election.

    She’s going to be president. It was a good idea to start making preparations a couple months ago but it still is. Libertarians need to figure out how to advance and mitigate their goals in a world where not only is Clinton president, but the GOP is a dying politically radioactive husk that is not even worth boarding action at least at the federal level. It’s a bleak-ass future.

  19. This election will create a realignment of federal politics at least at the federal level, and it might trickle down. The GOP will basically become the Not Very Religious But Pretty Racist White Trash party and they get to own that dying, insufficient demographic all the way to irrelevancy. The Dems under President Clinton become The Reasonable People with a lock on millenials and brown/latino people. And power. Folks, this is branding and perception you don’t have to agree with it; it doesn’t have to be remotely reasonable.

    The reason it might trickle down is I have to think that state-level GOP orgs won’t want to suffer the fallout from The Trumpening and maybe actual change party name. If the federal GOP remnants are smart they’d do the same. They should become The Liberal Party of America.

    1. This realignment is NOT good for liberty, almost needless to say.

    2. Forget your “plans”… If that criminal gets into high office, you can kiss The Republic goodbye.
      The Malfeasant Media, Stateist government, and Corporate Welfare leaches how so poisoned the system, even someone like Trump is viewed as an improvement. Don’t believe it? Count those votes again. It’s about half the country. Whatever you think the positives are in this situation, think again, there aren’t any. We are in for a rough ride, ugly won’t begin to describe it.

  20. I could definitely support this guy for Rand’s VP.

    Massie

    Having spent a lot of summers there, I’m definitely not surprised how LP KY is.

    Have to tell you, there’s weed in them thar hills. Shut up, you hillbot statist, like Shreek and Cyto, move to Libya.

    I’m just leaving this here:

    Dreams

    1. “Have to tell you, there’s weed in them thar hills. Shut up, you hillbot statist, like Shreek and Cyto, move to Libya.”

      Any doctors here? Is randomly stringing words together a sign of dementia? Prion disease?

    2. Classic! Molly Pitcher, that is ….

  21. That sounds so wonderfully libertarian, easily baited Shillary troll. You idiots are so easily played that it’s pathetic, I got bored, it’s why I blocked you idiots.

    Cytotoxic definitely deserves a special retard privilege since it is not sentient in any aspect of that definition.

    1. Cool story bro. Feel free to keep posting semi-lucid verbal diarrhea. It’s really thrilling to see into the mind of someone with no cognition. When you’re hungry, do you just start walking in random directions, bouncing from wall to wall until you land in something edible?

  22. Let’s all hate on our most libertarian elected representatives and shill for HIllary, that’s the ticket, I mean if you’re a fucking moron and Hillary shill war monger.

  23. Look, it’s a brainless little POS, who cannot appreciate a person who is one among the the top persons supporting their own right to liberty and justice. Sad retards find their way to tyranny. I have a sad, NOT!

  24. Fuck ya’ll, this is it:

    Green Grass and High Tides

  25. This entire election is such a clusterfuck. I go back and forth in terms of who I want to be president least — Hillary or Trump — but ultimately that’s like choosing between Stalin and Hitler.

    The only good outcome is if the Republican Party self-destructs to the point where some sort of libertarian-leaning coalition can replace it.

    This election is what finally drove me to become a dues-paying member of the Libertarian Party, not because I think they can win in 2016, but maybe they can gather momentum toward 2020 and 2024. And because, what else can you do to say, “Fuck both the Dems and the GOP.”?

    1. “The only good outcome is if the Republican Party self-destructs to the point where some sort of libertarian-leaning coalition can replace it.”

      You bring up an interesting issue. On the freedom-to-slavery spectrum in any organization, it seems that a revolution is needed to move in the direction toward freedom, while the ratchet toward slavery is incremental. Is there any example in history of a country/organization becoming significantly freer without a revolution?

      1. Well, China is certainly freer now than it was under Mao, even though it’s nowhere near US standards, much less the libertarian ideal. Argentina is freer now than it was under Pinochet.

        It depends on whether you consider the collapse of the Soviet Union to be a revolution, but even under Putin’s kleptocracy, Russians are freer than they were during the days of Stalin.

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  29. And now, both wings of the Ruling Party have chosen the very worst candidates available. A plague on both their houses.

    -jcr

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