Election 2016

Gary Johnson on Meet The Press: "All This Talk About 3rd Parties? Well, I'm It"

LP presidential candidate and former two-term New Mexico governor says "great middle of this country is libertarian."

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Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson, a former two-term (Republican) governor of New Mexico, appeared on Meet the Press this morning, talking with host Chuck Todd about what he called a "unique combination" of being fiscally conservative and socially liberal that he alone brings to Election 2016.

That's a simple, appealing message, especially in an election where the major-party candidates are disliked by large (and apparently growing) majorities of Americans. Johnson insisted that he was the "only skeptic at the table" when it came to recent overseas military interventions, that he would "sign off on any reduction in the federal government," and that we "always come down on the side of choice" in everything. As important, Johnson's spoke in the broad, big-vision strokes of a candidate while also being able to discuss specifics with ease. In today's political climate, inspiring confidence and trust is as much as a question of how you speak as what you say.

"The great middle of this country is libertarian. Most people are fiscally conservative and socially liberal," he said, adding later, "Our military interventions are having the unintended consequences of making things worse, not better." Johnson rushed to reject the notion that libertarians are isolationists, saying, "When we are attacked, we'll attack back. I reject the notion that libertarians are isolationists." But in a move that draws a distinction between Hillary Clinton, who seems uninterested in the question, and Donald Trump, who seems to have never read the Constitution, Johnson also insisted: "Let's involve Congress in declarations of war."

There was this notable exchange:

Todd: What is the role of government in your view?

Johnson: Less government. Smaller government. Government tries to do too many things.

When asked to define what is government should do, Johnson replied, "Protect us against individuals, corporations, brutes, foreign governments." He added, "I think we should provide a safety net, I just think we've gone way over the line in defining need. If we don't reform Medicaid and Medicare, we're going to find ourselves unable to provide that."

Johnson rejected the idea that he was a spoiler, noting that recent analysis of polls that included him in a three-way race with Trump and Clinton he drew "from both sides," and that he is the only alternative candidate who will be on the ballot in all 50 states.

"All this talk about third parties," he said. "Well, I'm it."

If Johnson is going to bring libertarian sensibilities to the masses, he's off to a pretty good start.

According to the Huffington Post's poll aggregator, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump both have disapproval ratings in the mid- to high 50s. Various polls show around half of all voters say they will consider a "generic" third-party candidate, a number that will certainly change as voters get more worried or disgusted by the major-party candidates. 

Well, that's a generic candidate. If Johnson is right—and I think he is generally is—that most Americans are socially tolerant and fiscally responsible, his particular message could have more resonance than, say, that of the Green Party (which is for more government involvement in everyday life).

A week ago, I talked with NPR's Scott Simon about libertarianism, the LP, and Gary Johnson's rise in an age of alienated voters. Listen below or read more here.

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  1. Todd tried to get him to say whether he would rather see Trump or Hillary be president. Johnson basically ducked the question. Maybe it would be more effective to say “If you put a gun to my head, then I’d say ‘pull the trigger” because both of these people will be ruinous to individual liberty in America.”

    1. He was almost badgering about it… that’s what’s wrong with most media today.

      I only caught the last 5 mins, but Johnson didn’t seem very presidential. In part because of the interviewer, but didn’t seem like someone who could convince the average voter to do more research him.

      1. Media seems to badger the R’s and the L’s. The D’s? Not so much.

    2. That question is a perfect opportunity for GJ to completely ignore the question and utter one of the 1-2 canned sentence answers for why Gary Johnson will be a good choice for Prez and ask for peoples votes in November (and he should have 5-8 of these handy and memorized depending on the audience). The more the media persists, the more different canned answers GJ can deliver

      1. For example:

        A lot of people really don’t like either of them. So because your vote does matter, you need to register your discontent with them by voting for me in November

    3. My response would have been: “I’ll come back on the show in two weeks and be happy to answer that question once you ask Hillary and Trump who they’d rather have between me and the other opponent. We can even discuss their answers.”

      It would shut him up, it would get you a guaranteed slot on a major Sunday news show and it would force them to have both Ttump and Hillary say they would rather you win than their opponent.

        1. Seconded.

      1. Unfortunately gay jay is not as quick as reason commenters.

    4. “Maybe it would be more effective to say “If you put a gun to my head, then I’d say ‘pull the trigger” because both of these people will be ruinous to individual liberty in America.”

      Sorry creech. That is the sort of thing that someone who really does believe in liberty would say because that is what would be on their mind. Those kinds of people don’t seek office.

  2. Me thinks Gary is having another grand delusion here. I’ve lived in the “great middle of this country.” And what I mostly saw were SoCons and conservotards who want the death penalty for weed. And that was only a decade ago. Most of them like gun rights more than Gary does, so I’ll give them that. But I can’t imagine all those people have suddenly become libertarians.

    1. As someone from “flyover country”, I can tell you that a large number of conservatives that I know who are willing to say “fuck it” and fold on some of the social issues in exchange for more fiscal conservatism/limited government.

      That is, they are ripe for the picking for the LP if we could stop having people with boots on their heads and morons prancing around on CSPAN in G-Strings at our national convention.

      1. True dat, but pretty much every conservative in the demographic that is most likely to vote would prefer a Hillary victory to any diminution in their middle-class welfare benefits. With Social Security and Medicare, FDR and LBJ created a permanent constituency for big government.

        1. My dad wouldn’t but I don’t really think he’s representative.

      2. I lived in the flyover about half of my life. There are, admittedly, more people there who would be open to libertarian ideas than there are in the coastal ‘liberal’ enclaves. But the number is still very small, maybe 15-20%. And they will vote Republican anyway because just like the Democrats, they don’t want to ‘waste their vote’.

        1. I’ve lived in five different cities in two separate states of the “flyover” and I have learned enough to realize that you can’t generalize about people in the “flyover”. Everyone loves to do it, but it’s bullshit.

          1. Same with the coasts.

      3. Amen! I completely lost a Neocon the other day due to his 3 seconds of knowledge about Libertarians. Classic mental shut down due to the strip show at the convention. Thanks for completely reinforcing the “crazy Libertarian” moniker. Seriously, how are we to be taken seriously with this foolishness going on.

        1. Better to focus on general ideas: govt is too big and powerful, we waste too many soldiers in foreign wars, we borrow too much, etc

    2. I might be wrong, but I don’t think it’s that he really believes that as much as he thinks if he says it enough people will start to believe him. I don’t think you can run a successful campaign by saying, “I think there are a few people that will vote for me.”

    3. Most people are fiscally conservative and socially liberal,”
      So Gary, most are Snowflakes needing safe spaces? Wrong! Social Liberals are horrendous people.
      Try Cultural Libertarian, Gary!

      1. Nah, we really need to take back the “Social Liberal” mantle from the SJWs. It won’t be long before the MSM decides that “Cultural Libertarian” = “Perpetrators of Cultural Appropriation”. We should give these “safe spacers” a taste of their own medicine and start labeling them “social segregationists”.

  3. It’s no surprise to me that Chuck Todd didn’t ask the important questions, such as whether or not Gary Johnson would have authorized the invasion of Canada during the war of 1812.

    1. Look, if he says we’re going to invade Canada, then I’m in. That might be the only thing he could do to get my vote. Or put a boot on his head and say everyone gets a free pony like that Vermin dude.

      This election is becoming a parody of an election.

      1. Becoming?!?!

      2. …becoming a parody…

        No, its not. That part is long over. What have we got? A felon, a commie, and a reality TV star. Let that sink in.

        1. You forgot about Gary. See what I mean when I say 1% of the vote? Even libertarians can’t remember this guy is running.

          1. ^I lulled but also have a sad.

          2. Becuz…there is nothing different between this election and the last election.

          3. And it had NOTHING to do with the candidate. He got as many or more votes than any Libertarian.

          4. Okay: a felon, a Bolshevik, a reality TV star, and a stoner.

            1. I’ll take the stoner in that list. Except I don’t like what Gary is doing by picking Weld. I don’t want more exposure if that exposure means people thinking, ‘oh, so libertarians are like east coast republicans? No thanks’.

  4. I’m hoping the L candidates have mended their fences. Gary could definitely use McAfee’s flashy media branding.

    1. McAfee’s flashy media branding was part of why I supported McAfee. I think the credit actually goes to Judd Weiss for that. But that would have gotten our message out to the millenials. Millenials are not going to pay any attention to these 2 old bores.

    2. McAfee wasn’t a libertarian candidate. He was a megalomaniac who saw an opportunity in the party. He will be no help.

      1. Why should he help an anti-liberty Republican has-been like Gary Johnson?

      2. “… a megalomaniac who saw an opportunity in the party.”

        Name a candidate that this is not true of. The political class is rotten scum to the last man.

        1. Only a megalomaniac would climb Mt Everest and then like up a joint on the summit. 5 mile high club!

          1. Well, it’s pretty certain that they wouldn’t get caught by a cop up there.
            (cuz…no donuts on Mt Everest)

            1. +1 No Doughnut Zone

      3. McAfee is more libertarian than Johnson. But Johnson is way more electable.

    3. I don’t think that’s necessary at all. I worked a big street market yesterday for LP booth. We had a hundred or so people do the Nolan Test, put up the results for them on a big board, displayed Clinton/Trump/Sanders/Johnson results (as best we could figure them). And it worked.

      Granted our local LP isn’t a bunch of annoying ancaps and Randian dingbats – so that we were able to talk to Sanders supporters, a significant number of people who really do hate both Clinton/Trump (and the Nolan results helped them realize why), tell them what to expect when the campaigning goes negative in order to rile up the ‘lesser of two evils’ voters.

      LP isn’t gonna do squat to get national top-down attention. The D/R’s will suck all of the oxygen out of that room and leave a bunch of poison in the air and L’s will not want to go in there at all. This is the ideal year for grass-roots and bottom-up stuff – because 30-50% of any big crowd is receptive.

      1. Good for you, JFree. You did more yesterday to promote freedom than I do in a year spouting off here, etc. As I tell others, if our country is going to be saved, it will be the result of libertarian voters putting libertarians in office — it will not be the result of libertarians magically gaining office and “leading” the country to freedom. Again — good for you for volunteering.

        1. Talking one on one was as helpful/interesting to me as it was to any advocacy pitch I made. Here at least, the LP could really make strides by focusing on cronyism, geolibertarian ideas (esp homeless and high rents), and green libertarianism. But it is disheartening looking around and seeing how uphill it is to get from here to there.

          1. Good job stepping up and being a friend of liberty.

          2. Thanks for doing that.

      2. Granted our local LP isn’t a bunch of annoying ancaps and Randian dingbats

        Oh, so you mean they’re not real Libertarians.

        ::runs from room::

      3. I would love to see the Nolan results for Sanders/Clinton/Trump.

          1. I think Trump and Hilary actually need their own categories. I don’t really see Hillary as liberal or Trump as conservative.

            1. The Nolan Chart has a serious defect in its evaluation of candidates’ political philosophies as opposed to individual political philosophies.

              That defect is that it omits the very important dimension of the politician’s criminality. It is not enough for a voter to know that a candidate’s philosophy aligns with his own; the voter must also be willing to accept the candidate’s proclivity to criminality while in office.

              1. Or their proclivity to be advised by criminals/cronies/bought once they get to DC. eg – on the ‘corporate welfare’/cronyism question, we scored Clinton as D (corrupt already), Johnson as M (he will get coopted by DC crowd), Trump as M (rhetoric is A, his entire life is D), Sanders as A.

          2. Thanks! IIRC, though, the Nolan questions do not include a question about government regulations. If they did, Trump would slide up a bit closer to libertarian.

        1. I forget the exact numbers now but Trump was a statist (30/30?), Clinton was a statist leaning left/liberal (40/20?), Sanders was a left/liberal leaning statist (70/30?), Johnson was libertarian leaning centrist (70/60?), Weld would prob be centrist leaning libertarian.

          Denver itself is prob 1/2 left/liberal, 1/3 libertarian, with a smidgen in statist or right/conservative. But then voters will always be less authoritarian on those tests than the pols running are (or think they are as well).

      4. Thank you for your service. It’s easy to get depresssed knowing you’re maybe only reaching one or two voters at a time but that’s how it’s got to be done.

        And FWIW, Johnson would have done well to point out that he’s not the third-party candidate, it’s the communists and the fascists that are and always have been the third-party candidates and that’s why Hillary’s and Trump’s negatives are so high. This election will see the majority of voters voting against a candidate rather than for one because the two “major party” candidates represent only a fringe element.

        1. This election will see the majority of voters voting against a candidate rather than for one

          We definitely saw that yesterday. More noticeably than most places because we are a purple state and everyone knows exactly how ugly and pervasive the 24/7 ad environment will get after Labor Day when it goes negative. Even loyal D’s (like experienced precinct organizers and such – not just pigeon-peckers) stopped by our booth. Not to take the test but to talk with us about their own thoughts now of just dropping out and not voting. Better info and feedback and ideas than could ever emerge from a bunch of top-down DC-based pollster/consultant BS (including all the Reason stuff as well).

          It’s a shame really. The LP could pretty easily be the main opposition party here. The local R’s do not even field candidates here. All they do is fund R’s elsewhere and help operate the state GOP. Probably because they are beneficiaries of local corruption/cronyism – so why would they be the opposition to that?

    4. It’s too easy to brand him as insane (because he is).

  5. “unique combination” of being fiscally conservative and socially liberal

    Because really, that’s what libertarianism is really about, right? Some medium ‘balance’ between arbitrary political poles, not anything to do with fundamental principles about the limits of govt power.

    1. “STFU YOU YOKELTARIAN IDIOT”

      1. I admit that there have been many times in the past where i’ve pointed out that real progress to happen, Libertarians will have to compromise and elect people who are “imperfect” from a principled-libertarian POV

        Its just that i never expected that person would be the LP candidate.

        I really don’t see how you expect to move the needle in a libertarian direction by showing major parties how “promising to ‘save medicare’” works well with voters. I don’t think that’s news to them.

        I think its possible that the “appeal to the ‘middle'” will work against libertarianism in ways you don’t expect.

        Because it pitches libertarianism as fundamentally the same in many respects as these other parties, but with glaring flaws which make it a massive-deal-breaker for core constituencies.

        If GayJay makes it to the debates, i expect the net result will be to create an impression like the following =

        “Libertarians! = just like the major parties, only they want to increase immigration, let more criminals out of jail, defund national security, stop giving you free shit, and make it easier to own a machine-gun.”

        Because if no one grasps any underlying philosophical principles? all you are is a menu of random policy items.

        and they don’t create the impression of “liberty” just by adding them all up. in fact they often do the opposite.

        1. +1 weed, Mexicans, and butt-sex

        2. This is why I think having a LP is a mistake. Candidates of any party don’t run to persuade audiences that their positions are good, they’re just to announce what their & their opponents’ positions are.

    2. it’s necessary to frame it that way because the voting populace is result oriented.

      “limiting government results in fiscal conservation and social liberty”, better?

  6. Both progressives and conservatives are hostile towards libertarians. When people say they would consider a 3rd party, I don’t think they mean libertarians. Most people mean they either want someone even further left than Bernie, or someone more conservative or more authoritarian than Trump. Maybe a communist party run for the left and that guy from the Philippines on the other side.

    1. Progressives are more hostile on average. The “just leave me alone and let me keep what I earn” strain of conservatism is quite compatible with libertarianism.

      1. The “just leave me alone and let me keep what I earn” strain of conservatism

        Does that actually exist?

        1. My grandfather is like that. But he grew up during the depression and hates FDR.

        2. Yes. It’s also a big part of Tea Party appeal.

          1. I know it is supposed to exist, but it seems like the “just leave me alone and let me keep what I earn” strain of conservatism is concerned with stopping others from infringing on their territory, like trade protectionism and immigration restraints.

            1. I would argue that “just leave me alone” also means “stop mass immigration that is further burdening the welfare state, enhancing Democratic Party power, and making this country more like the dump that is Latin America.”

              1. Hiring more border agents, hiring more agents to find and deport illegals, and building a fence along the border is going to take a large chunk of that money that strain of conservatism supposedly wants to keep, which is why I said that strain does not exist.

                1. Hiring more border agents, hiring more agents to find and deport illegals, and building a fence along the border is going to take a large chunk of that money that strain of conservatism supposedly wants to keep

                  In practice, it almost definitely will result in a net increase in spending, but their thought process might be along the lines of “instead of spending money to keep them here, spend that money keeping them out”, which would be budget neutral or possibly a net decrease. So once again it comes back to dismantling the welfare state.

                  1. I would say that a net increase in spending on border agents or a wall might well be worth a decrease in spending on illegal alien welfare, health, education, and criminal justice.

                    1. I would say that your incongruous use of “net” makes your statement devoid of meaning. Jus Sayin.

                    2. Only if you think spending can only be measured in dollars, and it doesn’t matter what it’s spent on. E.g. I’d rather spend $1.1X on border wall construction than $1X on criminal justice costs of illegal alien crime. In the first case I’m spending on construction workers and a thing that lowers future costs, but in the second I’m spending on police and prisons and prisoners from other countries. Which do you consider more valuable, both socially and economically?

      2. If you really believe that, try posting for a while on a site like WaPo where there is about an equal mix of progressives and conservatives. Depending on what the issue is, you will be attacked viciously by either side. If it’s about legalizing cannabis, the conservatives will call you a liberal and wage all out war on you, while the progressives will think you’re one of them. If it’s about the economy, the progressives will call you a con and wage all out war on you, while the conservatives will think you are one of their own.

        Both of those ideologies have bought the package deal and have a cult like belief that anything their leaders come up with is the gospel.

        I’ll never forget the time I saw a conservative write a very long post about freedom and personal rights, and how we all should join together to support that view, except for people with tattoos and pot smokers, they’re not welcome. I’m sure the massive amount of irony in that did not occur to the author of that derp.

        1. I don’t disagree. I get attacked from all sides. I’m just saying that on average, there’s more in conservatism that’s compatible with libertarianism than there is in progressivism.

          1. I used to think that also. But what I’ve found out is that those conservatives who agree with a lot of libertarian ideas are actually libertarians, not conservatives, they just don’t realize it. They identify with a group they know but are sort of oddballs in that group. I was once in the same place myself. I didn’t even know what a libertarian was, so I thought I was a conservative. I just couldn’t figure out why my friends wanted to put pot smokers in prison when they all drank alcohol like it was going out of style. Also, most people who are fiscally conservative think that so called ‘liberals’ are insane and dangerous, for good reason.

            1. those conservatives who agree with a lot of libertarian ideas are actually libertarians, not conservatives, they just don’t realize it

              I talk to a lot of coastal, liberal-by-default types who basically fall in this camp. When I point out that most of the liberal policies they’ve been voting for all their lives are actually harming them, they usually get it.

              1. A liberal friend of mine is planning on selling her now-quite-valuable house, which was the last of a series of buy-low fixer-uppers. She is shocked that the tax laws have been changed to punish “the rich” and capture the capital gains from house sales, due to the closing of some “loophole.” I think it’s that it used to be that if you sold a house and bought an equivalent, you didn’t have to pay taxes on the capital gains. But now, it looks like she can’t sell without getting a $400,000 tax bill.

                I pointed out who she’d been voting for all her life, and she said: “I knew you’d say that!”

            2. That was me in 2006, confused “moderate” conservative. Thank you Nolan and Dr. Paul!

          2. I’m just saying that on average, there’s more in conservatism that’s compatible with libertarianism than there is in progressivism.

            No way dude. Locke, Burke, and Johnson are just as bad as Marx, Debs, and Du Bois. Ask anybody here.

    2. There is a big centrist vote that is mostly ignored every year, and seriously alienated this year by Trump-Clinton. They want fiscally responsible government without higher taxes, a strong defense without unnecessary wars, and the government to leave people alone who aren’t hurting other people. Johnson may be the least libertarian candidate the LP has run (Bob Barr excepted), but he would appeal to those centrist voters, if they start to take him seriously as a choice.

  7. I missed the interview but sounds like they went pretty well. He is sticking to a common sense American-values message. A big challenge for him is that many ‘libertarians’ are actually military and oil shillmen trying to discredit the party. They will give him bad advice to make him seem crazy, like ‘put a gun to my head and pull the trigger’, or “Use McAfee’s alternatively violent and hedonistic campaign tactics”. I’m hoping Johnson sees through it.

    1. Johnson needs to run a centrist campaign. The Libertarian vote is a rounding error.
      If Johnson wins, we keep the crook and kook out of office. But then we may need to start a new pro-liberty party again.

  8. “When we are attacked, we’ll attack back. I reject the notion that libertarians are isolationists.”

    Yeesh. Stop parroting the term. This will simply be edited down by third parties to ‘libertarians are isolationists’. If the press uses the word ‘isolationism’, then use a different term like ‘intelligent engagement with the world’. Put the burden back on the D/R foreign policy crowd to oppose the L’s by opposing ‘intelligent engagement with the world’ and defending ‘stupid engagement with the world’

      1. look, he can’t talk about the problem with using the word without using the word.

    1. “Isolationism” is merely a slur that the R’s and D’s use when what they’re actually criticizing is non-interventionism. We’re for free trade — how the hell is that isolationism?

      1. Unless you’re sending them bombs by air drop, it doesn’t count.

      2. Even non-interventionism is a semi-useless term that puts LP on the defensive.

        Presumably we are in favor of talking with other countries, trading with other countries, helping our friends figure out how to deal with serious threats they have (nb – the rephrasing of that does not have to lead us into military/force), and pounding those who actually do us harm into oblivion.

        Our opponents OTOH seem to be in favor of having our embassies get taken over, bombing hospitals, making crony deals for BigCrappyCo, getting stuck in quagmires, having regular people around the world wonder WTF the US is doing and which US is the real one. Let’s call it – Whoops we did it again foreign policy. Force them to defend THAT.

        1. “They” aren’t going to defend anything. It’s not as if you’re going to give the interviewer the script for the interview of the next candidate.

          1. But put our answer in the right place – positive, active, assertive – and the viewer will themselves begin to judge the other candidates in those terms – esp when both big campaigns go negative on the other.

            Defensive weasel words are forgotten the moment they are uttered and make the candidate look like they aren’t ready for prime time.

            1. “We are not warmongers, unlike Hildog that started Libya and Donald who wants to bomb indiscriminately.”

    2. He should use examples. There aren’t any RAF bases in the United States, but nobody says the UK has an isolationist policy towards America.

      1. In the last fifth column podcast, Thad Russel said that the US has over 800 military bases worldwide. This story starts off with this quote:

        the United States still maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad?from giant “Little Americas” to small radar facilities. Britain, France and Russia, by contrast, have about 30 foreign bases combined.

        Gary should mention that.

  9. If we don’t reform Medicaid and Medicare, we’re going to find ourselves unable to provide that.

    Speak truth to power, Gary!

    1. Whoa whoa whoa, this is the time to focus on his faults. You get it together.

      1. I didn’t say I was voting for him. I’m not ready for that kind of commitment.

        1. VOTING? You may be VOTING? Good Richard Dawkins…

          1. I trust that her innate cynicism will kick in before November.

            1. Cthulu or and death, motherfuckers.

              1. That’s the Hamster we all love.

                BTW, my wife ordered us the Giant Meteor bumper sticker. This is a first- she NEVER approves of stating our political views publicly.

    2. unable to provide that.

      Good. We shouldn’t be.

  10. Here’s the MTP video. Funny how they treat him with kid gloves – he is too defensive but hopefully with practice that will go away. I thought he did fine tho.

  11. “LP presidential candidate . . . says “great middle of this country is libertarian.””

    My god, he’s lying already. Maybe he CAN win!

    1. As I said above, he’s delusional. I know many of those people and trust me, the majority of them are not socially liberal, not even close to libertarian.

      1. I’m not convinced he actually believes it. I think it’s a white lie he’s throwing out there to make libertarians look reasonable. It might be a smart tactic, tho’ as usual I’m against watering down the meaning of libertarianism.

        1. I’ve actually had people tell me they’re a libertarian before and then when I started discussing issues with them, they were horrified that I wanted to legalize all drugs, make cops accountable for crimes the same as everyone else, legalize prostitution, stop all the unnecessary military interventions, repeal the income tax, etc, etc.

          All I got was ‘what, but roads and bridges, the children!’, lol.

          I’m not at all for Gray and his east coast democrat lite buddy watering down libertarianism. Sort of reminds me of when the socons infiltrated and took over the tea party, which was pretty much the end of that.

          1. Did they think the measures you wanted went too far, or did they think they were in the wrong direction? Maybe they’re not radical, but moderate libertarians who’d legalize some drugs and/or reduce regulations on all of them, make cops more accountable for crimes but not the same as everyone else, reduce penalties or enforcement on prostitution, reduce unnecessary military interventions, reduce the income tax, etc. Or maybe they considered themselves at least moderately libertarian for some other reason, such as increasing liberty in some areas more than they’d reduce it in others. Or maybe they had a different analysis by which some of the things you consider freedom they consider infringements on same & vice versa.

            Were you able to tell which?

        2. Libertarianism: The political belief that you are entitled to force consenting adults to accept your definition of Libertarianism.

          1. Shut up, shreek, no one pays any attention to you.

  12. EPIDEMIC INTERSECTIONALITY

    “Heroin is coming up here, and guns are going back there,” Miro Weinberger, the mayor of Burlington, Vermont, told the Trace.

    The flow of guns on a stretch of Interstate 91 running from western Massachusetts north to Vermont has become such a well-known trafficking route that officials have dubbed it “the iron pipeline.” Police routinely find drugs, or guns, or both during traffic stops.

    In February, police in Northampton, Massachusetts, discovered $20,000 worth of heroin and two stolen guns during an early morning stop. A month later, a few miles up I-91, police found 230 baggies of heroin in a car headed to New Hampshire. Many local officials say inconsistent gun laws are fueling the trade.

    ————–

    “We have good gun laws in Massachusetts, but our problem is most of the guns that seem to be coming in and being used in crimes are coming from other states,” Boston Police Commissioner William Evans told the Trace. “It’s hard for us when so many come from our border states that have lax laws.”

    It’s a conundrum, is what it is.

    1. Legalize all drugs and the problem is solved. Somehow I get this feeling that they don’t want the problem solved.

      1. Banning guns would serve the same purpose as the War on Drugs ? a case for putting blacks and Mexicans behind bars and growing the Law Enforcement State.

    2. He’s a Hilary supporter, I assume.

    3. Police routinely find drugs, or guns, or both during traffic stops.

      In February, police in Northampton, Massachusetts, discovered $20,000 worth of heroin and two stolen guns during an early morning stop. A month later, a few miles up I-91, police found 230 baggies of heroin in a car headed to New Hampshire.

      That’s quite some pipeline there. Although I did notice they only specified that the one month’s car was headed to New Hampshire and no mention of where the other month’s car was headed, which leads me to suspect there was no evidence it was headed out-of-state. So really just a one-car pipeline.

    4. “Heroin is coming up here, and guns are going back there,” Miro Weinberger, the mayor of Burlington, Vermont, told the Trace.

      And the mayor doesn’t see the connection between the two?

  13. Todd: What is the role of government in your view?

    Suggested answer: “Wouldn’t it be nice if we had a document which spelled that out explicitly? One that specified exactly what government was allowed to do and explicitly forbade government form doing anything else? We could call it… I dunno.. a Constitution.”

    1. I guess quitting cannabis has not yet made Gary ‘knife sharp’.

      1. A butter nife can ony

        There is a limit on how sharp a butter knife can be.

        1. It isnt even noon yet Mickey.

          Oh, wait…it is the weekend.

          *sips cranberry juice and vodka*

          1. Damn you, my vodka stash is almost gone! I have to go to the store…

            1. Pro tip: North Shore. Amazing vodkas and gins.

              1. I’ll try it. I typically buy Titos vodka. Amazing for the price. Gin, I rarely buy it, but I typically get the Tanqueray if I’m in the mood for gin and tonic.

  14. Not only are the majority of Americans fiscally conservative and socially liberal, this group is growing larger by the day. Also many visionary leaders were once dismissed as ‘delusional’ by the masses. These days however the record is etched online for all eternity. So, go for it:

    1. You know who else people laughed at before he became a world leader?

      1. Thank you for comparing Johnson to Hitler. You are evincing your true motivation here. Please, proceed:

        1. Hitler? I thought he meant Reagan.

      2. Maybe AM will become a world leader. He’s taken the first step- people laugh at him.

      3. Donld J Trrump!

      4. Ronald Reagan? I mean, you have seen “The Girl From Jones Beach”, right?

      5. But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

        1. Bozo’s running as a Democrat under a pseudonym. Bernie something or other…

        2. The difference is that Bozo the Clown was trying to get people to laugh at him.

    2. These days however the record is etched online for all eternity.

      Pride cometh before the fall. All the record you reference is stored on the surface of one planet, very little of which is in hardened locations. EMP attacks, nuclear war, solar flares… These are a few of the ways all that record could be destroyed.

  15. OK everyone PLEASE remember to engage the bullies in lighthearted discussions of politics or current events and you can get more serious as long as you don’t challenge their most cherished values of having extreme and untenable positions on all matters great and small. Otherwise you may become their next target. Many victims of Hitler and Stalin used this technique to their advantage and it actually worked to extend their lives by several weeks or even months in some cases.

    Please remember that bullies have wants and needs just like the rest of us. The worst thing you can do to a bully is to ignore them. The best thing you can do is join in on the bullying, such as “You are a thin-skinned freak” or “Everyone is ignoring you, even me”. You can do it:

    1. It’s not my job to defend you. It is your job to defend yourself.

  16. Shreek’s confidence that Gary will throw the election to Hillary is way over inflated. That 1% isn’t going to get Hillary elected. Give it up Shreek.

    1. It’s best not to pay any attention to me. For your own sake.

      1. IDK, you seem pretty normal for these parts

        1. He’s as normal as shreek can be. Just stick around a while and wait for him to reappear as buttplug and start shilling for Hillary.

    2. Hillary is a hated candidate running a shitty campaign. Someone in this crowd said something to the effect of “Polling samples are asking hypotheticals. Wait until people face the real and unavoidable choice at the polls, and seriously have to face pulling the lever for Hillary.”

      With every tone-deaf gaffe she makes, the word “landslide” starts to echo in my mind.

      1. If there is a merciful Yahweh, Hil will be indicted for the emails and server and The Hair and the Hat will be indicted for fraud. Then both Teams will have to cough up something better and the “process” will lose all credibility.

        1. Note Hillary’s silence on the Trump University “scandal”? Maybe because the sleaziest for profit college in the world paid Bill $16.5m at the same time Hillary was giving them unprecedented access to government power brokers and funneling them $55m in taxpayer dollars not even made available to other for profit universities.

          I’d be surprised if the FBI doesn’t already have an agent or two asking how Clinton got on their board with no history at all in for-profit education…at the same time they were given unprecedented access to the State Dept…just after they stroked a huge check to the CGI…and the US government stroked a bigger one back to them.

          1. Note Hillary’s silence on the Trump University “scandal”?

            She was ranting about it all this past week

            1. Huh. Guess I missed that. In my defense, I was on vacation and didn’t hear much about politics except the ones about trump words starting violence in San Jose.

              1. Don’t underestimate what words of power can do to normal, good-hearted people. It’s totally not their fault.

      2. I agree that Trump will beat her. There’s also the chance that she doesn’t even get the nomination and as someone here suggested, Bernie gets the nomination and tags Biden. That pair has a much better chance against the Donald juggernaut.

    3. Hillary will beat Trump (assuming she stays healthy) regardless of what the Libertarian Party does.

      1. Hillary’s legal problem will be the same as people who piss big city cops off and get arrested: you might beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride.

        If she gets indicted, she’s completely done for. If she doesn’t get indicted, Trump will drag her through the mud so bad she’ll be lucky to even make it to November without having another stroke. He’s gonna bring up every single lie, every single sketchy deal, every incompetency, every death on her watch, every flip-flop, every trip her hubby made to Pedo island, every rape accusation, every sleazeball Bill pardoned, every foundation bribe, every dead body, every coughing fit, every supposed stroke and every other thing he can think of. That “ride” will be too much for the American people to stomach. It will ruin her.

        1. I like to think you’re right, but at this point, it’s clear that the press is busy burying it. Trump can yell and scream all he wants, but what will get reported is the other stuff in his speeches.

          1. They can’t bury it when he does it at the debates. They can’t bury it when they’re using it to say “he’s not addressing the real issue and has resorted to personal attacks.” They can’t bury it when more people get their news from the Internet than the TV.

            He’s a freaking clown, ok? I am not a supporter of his. But I will smile from ear to ear watching him destroy a career insider that has used her position to enrich herself at the expense of our nation’s security and that has deliberately evaded the public’s right to oversight. She is the worst politician in modern history on several levels. She deserves ruination, and I personally think a reality show huckster serving it to her makes it even sweeter.

            1. They can’t bury it when he does it at the debates.

              Watch them do it. They will, they’re totally in the bag for her. And really, FAR fewer people watch the debates than read about them afterwards or see the TV news reports. And the reports will be all about whatever stupid trolling shit The Donald says.

              1. Trump owns the media. He opens his mouth, the media squeals, everyone looks at him, his numbers go up.

                He has their balls in his back pocket. The media rightly belongs in the Advantage column for the Trump campaign.

                1. I think there’s been a shift in that- what owns the media is ratings, and I think what will drive the ratings now is rather different than during the Republican primary.

                  We’ll see.

                  1. That’s a fair point. I ought to have been more clear that I was using owned as in the “pwned” usage. The media’s hysteria looks weak, their hypocrisy comes off as corruption, and pontificating at “all the stupid people” merely threw gasoline on the fire.

                    Remember Colorado? Sweet gluten-free mayo. They managed to hand the billionaire playboy vanity campaign the status of fucking American grassroots underdog.

                    Let’s discuss theory. I’m pondering that people perceive campaigns as an examination of a party’s political platform and how each candidate represents that, but that perception fails.

                    Campaigns are marketing. Trump is excellent at marketing. Hillary blows chunks. The media plays politics and mistakes it for marketing, which is why they failed miserably fighting Teh Orange and why they cannot crown a queen.

                    Johnson would do well indeed to put together a marketing plan a la McAfee, at onct and post haste.

                    1. What I see happening is that Trump figures out some way to really get under Hillary’s skin and she just loses it at some point and totally freaks out. Or has a stroke or something.

                    2. I just don’t think Hillary is healthy enough, mentally or physically, to endure a grueling mud fest. She has been protected and shielded and even hidden away by the media for months and Bernie has been very soft on her. That’s all about to change.

                    3. Johnson would do well indeed to put together a marketing plan a la McAfee, at onct and post haste.

                      This x1000.

                    4. Hillary even buried herself in her candidacy anmt video. Remember that from a yr. ago? It was about all these people & their plans, & she’s snuck in as 1 of them, and I’m like, get back to the more interesting ones. I’m still wondering about how their plans have gone.

              2. And really, FAR fewer people watch the debates than read about them afterwards or see the TV news reports.

                Not when it’s Trump v Hillary. That’s going to be some interesting television, as irresistible watching a train wreck.

          2. Trump will be pushed over the finish line by two,extraneous factors:

            1). The violent left is gong to rampage this summer, Chicago and San Jose were warm ups. Lefty pols, including hill will play footsie with the thugs and repulse most people,by doing so.

            2) There will be a major terrorist attack between the conventions and Election Day that will similarly cause a backlash against the dimmicrats. ISIS is already saying that they will sponsor at least one, so this isn’t an outrageous prediction.

            1. Lefty pols, including hill will…

              …blame the violence on Trump. And be supported by the press.

              1. Dude, you have battered woman’s voter’s syndrome.

                1. Or made predictions based on repeated past observations. I wish I were optimistic, but reality has beaten that out of me quite effectively.

                  1. BTW, to be explicit, this is how it works:

                    Riots at the Team Blue convention: clearly the work of Trump followers, trying to ruin a dignified event held by serious people for an important purpose and is a result of Trump’s violent and racist rhetoric.

                    Riots at the Team Red convention: This demonstrates the divisiveness and intolerance of Republicans and is a result of Trump’s violent and racist rhetoric.

                    1. Some in the media will push that narrative, no doubt. But they don’t have lock on information flow, like you imagine. The last time we the country went through the kind of political violence that were talking about was in 1968. And despite a complete control of the media by lefties it resulted in Nixons election.

                    2. I understand your point, but Nixon, who was about 1000x smarter than Trump, was running against someone whose administration had us bogged down in a wide-scale, expanding, and hugely unpopular war, with thousands of body bags streaming into the US, and he was running on a promise to end the war.

                      True to form, once elected, he expanded the war even more, but Nixon’s gotta Nixon.

                    3. Describes Obama, doesn’t it?

                    4. Yes, but the difference is that thousands of American soldiers aren’t dying and there’s no conscription. So Obama (and of course Hillary) being essentially identical to the former Team Blue bogeyman, the dreaded Neocons, is completely ignored. Where’s all the leftist antiwar protesting?

                    5. It’s ok when our side does it. Obama only bombs wedding parties and children’s hospitals with the best of intentions at heart. Don’t you see the difference?

                    6. They don’t even bother defending it, they just don’t mention it.

            2. 1 is certainly a valid point.

        2. Just so you know, Mint Berry there is one of the worst Hillary trolls on WaPo. It will foul up every thread with cut and paste non-sense and misinformation. I think it gets paid 5 cents a post or something like that.

          1. I’m not too good at ignoring trolls.

            1. Well, none of us are. I’ve only blocked a few of them in all the time I’ve been here. I haven’t even blocked Tony or Shreek, just the really annoying ones. Mint Berry there is a paid Hillary sycophant.

        3. If she doesn’t get indicted

          Then one or more FBI agents will leak the damning details, if not publicly resign.

      2. Go back to WaPo, troll. Does your mum know you’re playing on the intertoobz again?

        1. I’m a troll because I think Hillary will win?

          And please link me to one of the posts I’ve supposedly made at WaPo.

          1. No, you’re a troll because you’re a troll.

            1. Maybe I should change my name twice in the span of about a week, like you’ve done.

              1. You do it all the time at WaPo, so why not? You’re not fooling anyone, troll. Get lost.

          2. Ok, ‘We will berry you’, lolololololol

            1. Since believing Clinton will win is such a ridiculous, troll-like position, please show me the recent polls and / or oddsmaking sites that have Trump as the favorite.

              1. I didn’t say it’s not ok for you to believe Clinton will win or should win. You can believe what you want.

                There’s not that many posters here and there is no one here who will not recognize you as a troll within 5 minutes. You’re wasting your time.

                I don’t want you fouling up this forum with all your cut and paste bullshit, now be gone, troll.

                1. Reuters: Clinton up 11 among likely voters

                  Uh-oh! It looks like HotAir.com isn’t a conservative site after all! They’re on Hillary’s payroll!

              2. Um, right now it’s Clinton -220 and Trump +190. And it’s getting tighter about every week.

                1. OK. So I’m a troll because I expect a -220 favorite to win.

                  And I’ve never even said I was personally supporting Hillary. The most I might have said is that the Republicans deserve to lose for nominating a non-politician (and non-General) for Prez, which hasn’t worked since…….when?

                  When was the last time somebody with no government / military experience became President?

                2. RCP average, the only poll anyone really needs to look at, Clinton + 1.5. It’s been really close, within the margin of error, for about a month now, with the 2 trading places several times. Mint Berry is going to stink up the forum with pro Hillary cut and paste and links shit like it does everywhere it stinks up the place.

                  1. *blocks troll*

                    1. Words of wisdom from Hyperion:

                      “There’s no way Hillary is going to beat Trump. And unless they can both lose, I could care less.”

                      I guess he’s on the Trump payroll. What other explanation is there? Confidently predicting that one side will win, without explicitly endorsing that side? Clearly the behavior of a troll.

  17. “on Meet tge Press”

    So a bunch of Clinton supporters got to troll their television sets this morning.

  18. Laws are MAGICK

    Concealed carry turns “every interaction on campus into potentially one that involves a weapon,” Ian Bogost, a Georgia Tech professor who earned his PhD from UCLA, tells the Monitor. Dr. Bogost shared his Texas colleagues’ concerns when the Georgia Legislature passed a bill to allow campus carry. The bill was vetoed by Gov. Nathan Deal, however.

    “Your office is the one place for a professor to sort of feel safe, to ensconce yourself there and be cloistered ? whether those things are violence, noise or colleagues,” he says in a phone interview. “When I saw the news of [UCLA], this is exactly the nightmare scenario for any professor.”

    “The nightmare scenario is a student of mine, unstable or otherwise dissatisfied, tries to do me harm in a private space,” he says, suggesting that students are under more “enormous pressure” with grades and other “arbitrary measurements of success” than ever.

    Without “campus carry” nobody would be able to bring a gun through the protective gun-excluding force field encasing college campuses.

    1. Yeah, and when I saw the news of UCLA, I thought “gee, if they didn’t have suck retarded fucking gun laws, that professor might not have been murdered by someone that ignored the gun-free zone laws.”

      That professor is a Grade-A moron.

      1. Do you have a PhD? HUH?

        He received his PhD in Comparative Literature from the University of California, Los Angeles. Following a career in software and videogame development, he joined the School of Literature, Media, and Communication in 2004. Bogost’s research addresses computation as an expressive and cultural practice, with a particular focus on videogames.

        1. Fucking credentialism. his Ph.D. Gets him a platform to talk about shit he knows nothing about.

          There’s probably people out there retarded enough to think he’s smarter than Bill Gates because he has a more advanced degree.

        2. Warty has a PhD. That shows that they’re even giving them to non-humans these days.

      2. His “career in videogame development” produced the following blockbuster titles =

        The Howard Dean for Iowa Game – launched at Christmas 2003 to help Dean supporters understand grassroots outreach and to encourage them to participate in pre-caucus campaigning in Iowa or in their local area. Ccommissioned [sp] by Dean for America

        Windfall – A strategy game about building wind farms to create clean energy profitably.

        Killer Flu – A game about seasonal and pandemic flu, how they mutate, and how they are spread. Commissioned by the UK Clinical Virology Network and produced in association with Scotland’s Traffic Games.

        Debt Ski – A game about savings, debt, and its consequences. Commissioned by mtvU, MTV’s college network, and the Peter G. Peterson Foundation.

        Fatworld – Fatworld is a game about the politics of nutrition. It explores the relationships between obesity, nutrition, and socioeconomics in the contemporary U.S.

        Points of Entry – Compete to award Green Cards under the Merit-Based Evaluation System included in legislation recently debated in Congress.

        Food Import Folly – Take the role of the FDA inspectors in a world of increasingly numerous food imports and increasingly unmanagable risk. Your charge: try to protect the country from contaminants in foreign food imports using extremely limited resources.

        1. So his video games are partisan too? And they look more boring that Space Invaders.

          What has our world come to?

          1. So his video games are partisan too?

            Only because they’re done on commission. He has one for the GOP as well. But most seem to be either Govt Agencies *(the TSA has a few) or part of some corporate promotional campaign

            e.g.

            Xtreme Errands – Xtreme Errands coincides with the North American launch of the Jeep Commander and challenges players to complete tasks utilizing the unique features of this vehicle.

            Stone City ? Cold Stone Creamery, Inc. – Cold Stone commissioned an employee training game to focus on the issue portion sizes and their relationship to profitability.

            Disaffected! – a videogame parody of the Kinko’s copy store, a source of frustration from its patrons. Disaffected! puts the player in the role of employees forced to service customers under the particular incompetences common to a Kinko’s store. From a new series of persuasive games we call anti- advergames.

            But yes, there’s a bunch that take a distinctly proggy bent which seem to be developed on their own nickel

            e.g.

            The Arcade Wire: Oil God – You are an Oil God! Wreak havoc on the world’s oil supplies by unleashing war and disaster. Bend governments and economies to your will to alter trade practices. Your goal? Double consumer gasoline prices in five years using whatever means necessary.

            1. Who wants to see who can get the highest score in Oil God? The description is too appealing to my libertarian instincts.

              Oh, but playing it is an utter mess. I can’t make heads or tails of it. I did enjoy randomly clicking until i’d started a civil war in Balughinigeria

              Apparently the goal of oil producers is to “Increase costs”, because high prices, not profits, are what please them most.

            2. The Arcade Wire: Oil God – You are an Oil God! Wreak havoc on the world’s oil supplies by unleashing war and disaster. Bend governments and economies to your will to alter trade practices. Your goal? Double consumer gasoline prices in five years using whatever means necessary.

              So I take it you can play as Dick Cheney? Or the Koch Brothers in multiplayer mode?
              -leftard

        2. Well, I guess making video games that no one will play is doing something.

        3. “Windfall – A strategy game about building wind farms to create clean energy profitably.”

          Holy fuckity fuck. I really did spew a little vodka out of my nose when I read that. That shit burns.

          1. I think that 3 SJWs bought that game, it was his top seller.

            1. Do you get points when the blades on the windmills kill birds? – Kevin R

        4. I feel that the wrong professor was targeted.

    2. students are under more “enormous pressure” with grades and other “arbitrary measurements of success” than ever

      So get rid of “grades” and “pressure” – duh

    3. Last time I checked, campuses have signs, not an Aperture Science Material Emancipation Grille.

  19. Over at Mother Jones (find it yourself) Elizabeth Warren is beating the drum about Trump’s potential “conflicts of interest” as President. No mention of the likelihood of the Clinton Foundation setting up shop in the Oval Office.

    I haz a surprize.

    1. Warren is awesome comedy. Her spittle-flecked rage is hilarious to watch and I suspect it will end with a burst blood vessel in that noggin of hers.

      1. Imagine the horror of her being Clinton’s running mate. Within a month of that administration we will have taken corruption to a level that would make a tin pot dictator blush.

        1. She’s her worst enemy. Sure, she can win a state like Massholia, but she’d get trounced anywhere where people actually value money and see the benefit of profit as a driver of human prosperity. Her wealth envy only gets her so high up on the net worth scale before you start having people say, “wait, I don’t want her taking everything I make and giving it to other people. I have aspirations to be wealthy myself some day.” And I think that level is still middle- to lower middle-class.

          1. I don’t know, I’m assuming most Bernie voters will love her wealth envy. And I think that is what Hillary does, she tags Warren and tells the Bernie voters, there you go, there’s your commie so vote for me. And you also get 2 vaginas for the price of one.

            1. And you also get 2 vaginas for the price of one.

              Citation required. No, wait…

              1. If you want pics, sloop, you’re on your own.

                1. Paging Crusty Juggler. Crusty Juggler to the pink courtesy phone please.

                  1. Perhaps person to take crusty vagina photos.

                    1. Perfect person…sheesh!

                    2. Here is the Instagram page of a woman who has two vaginas.

                    3. That’s a cat, not a 2nd vagina.

                    4. Whatever she has in those bottles is not a vagina. Try harder, I have a disappoint.

                    5. Which one, Chip?

        2. A Clinton-Warren ticket would be awesome.

          1. Awesomely repulsive.

            1. Exactly, I’m sure the yutes and PoC will rush out to vote for a couple of corrupt old white scolding nags.

              1. Why does Hillary yell all of the time? Is she going deaf also?

                1. She also,has a really weird cadence about a third of the time –

                  “If wan TING equ AL pay for wom an IS playing THE wo mans CARD, then count me IN!”

                  I think there’s something seriously wrong with her brain

                  1. There’s no doubt something is wrong with her. She has the look of someone insane about half the time.

                    1. She’s not insane all the time?

                  2. She also,has a really weird cadence about a third of the time –

                    Maybe HM can chime in and clarify

                    but i have a vague memory that males/females have different ways of using vocal tone/volume patterns when being persuasive or imperative

                    She seems to resort to this “Sing-song-y pattern” whenever she tries to sound authoritative. Dah DUH, dah DUH, Dah DAAAA, DAAAA, DAAA!! Or just couplets of soft/STRONG. Which sounds like a mother lecturing a child = There are SOME things you JUST don’t DO!!.

                    She’s a terrible public speaker and she seems to rely heavily on these sorts of “Toastmaster’s” formulae for ‘punchline-sentences’ at the end of any brief 2-3 statement pitch, where she yells the few-words that her pollsters tell her ‘work the best’ re: certain issues.

                    1. but i have a vague memory that males/females have different ways of using vocal tone/volume patterns when being persuasive or imperative

                      Rymarczyk and Grabowska (2007) found evidence to suggest that sex differences in prosody, at least in processing, was neurological in origin, as opposed to sociolinguistic. Though, Martin Hilpert seems to disagree.

                2. She’s trying to seem forceful.

                  1. I have a feeling that instead of thinking ‘wow, she’s so forceful’, most sane people are going to be thinking ‘what’s wrong with her?’.

                    1. True. She’s not a good persuader or a clever politician, and there’s even more coming down the pike that will hurt her badly.

                    2. Looks like Kindle users get that for free, so I’ll download it and check it out.

  20. “Libertarian|6.5.16 @ 11:56AM|#
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    Porn is a lot better for that than reason threads…

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  23. I don’t know if anyone’s listened to Nick’s NPR spot yet…

    his comments echo part of what i criticize above – this idea the “libertarianism” is some happy-middle-ground between the extreme ends of either party. “We’re the Moderates in this race”

    He then goes on to speculate about Trump’s “Rounding up millions of immigrants”; which one has to wonder why that’s treated any more seriously than Obama’s promise to ‘end partisanship in D.C.’ and ‘close guantanamo’, etc. in 2008

    there is at least one useful question which asks ‘what is the purpose of the LP’

    1. Poor Nick. He’s really left principle behind in his quest to get invited to all the right parties his leftist SJW friends are throwing.

      It’s been a sad demise to watch.

      1. Politics in a democracy is a balancing act between principles and pragmatics. Ideological purism is a dead end in the voting booth. Nick has a tough job, and does it pretty well.

        1. I don’t know, I think he’s sold out the wrong principles in an effort to kowtow to the modern left (SJWs).

          Sorry, but the right to free association and private property rights is simply a principle we cannot waver on. Every inch we cede is an inch we’ll never get back.

    2. I’ve always found that the term ‘moderate’ used in politics means someone who really has no ideas of their own, but will just go along to get along, once they’ve seen which way the wind is blowing. These are typically the worst sort of politicians, because having no principles, they will go along with the worst ideas presented by both sides.

      1. I think you underrate the value of compromise in democratic politics.

        1. I think it was Gilmore that pointed out a few days ago that compromise only ever seems to be on the part of liberty.

          1. That about sums it up. It’s always ‘reaching across the aisle’ to aid the enemy in their next act of liberty killing evil, so that they will aid us in our next act of liberty killing evil.

          2. I would not disagree, but similarly, every compromise American socialists and communists made for 100 years was on the part of socialism… and where are we today?

      2. Moderate is certainly a political word as is extremist. The politician says look I’m not one of those radical extremist, I’m just a regular person with “normal” views. While we may see that as wishy washy unprincipled politics, it is a message that resonates with John Q Dumbass. I think the LP is certainly attempting to spin their views as mainstream. Using moderate as to mean like everyone who doesn’t like Trump and Hillary.

        1. It’s easy to think that libertarianism is the norm if you’ve been living as a hermit for the last 30 years and don’t know any people. But if you’re around lots of people all of the time, you quickly learn that the idea of leaving other people alone and minding your own business is a very unpopular idea, sadly.

          1. I agree but getting elected is more marketing than anything. How do we market our ideas to appeal to those people without compromising our principles. I think by pointing out the abject failures of the status quo policies represented by the GOP and the DNC. The facts in that matter are on our side. Getting people to let go and try something different includes getting them to accept that your ideas are within the boundries of what the voters consider acceptable ie not “radical extremist “. It’s a sales job.

            1. I really liked the Weiss video, with the line:

              Every 4 years Americans come together to bully their neighbors.

              That pretty well sums it up.

              1. Yeah, that’s a great video. People are dicks. Local radio talking about people dying from heroin and if legalizing it would save lives. Guy calls in against legalizing because if those people want to play russian roulette with their lives he doesn’t care if they die. So you don’t care if they die but you care if they’re punished. Fucking asshole.

        2. That strategy may be in part due to how the public currently perceives the lp. From the left, we’re heartless, selfish minions of the Koch brothers who advocate the law of the jungle ie rightwing extremist. From the right we’re pot smoking, anti-cop, anti-military hippie weirdos ie leftwing extremist. I think the want to convince the people that don’t necessarily attach themselves to the left and the right that our viewpoints are not that extreme at all. I don’t think that’s the same as saying our viewpoints are negotiable.

    3. Middle ground, my ass.

      “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”

      *Jaw-a-thon playing on the teevee. Just saw Shaw’s ‘like a doll’s eyes’ bit. I know it was a bit over the top, but sadly it is true. I vaguely remember seeing an interview with an Indianapolis survivor and I am fairly certain that interview was the inspiration for that scene.

      This movie is making me want to get my ass back out to sea.

      1. I believe that monologue was written by John Milius, the fascinating writer/director and subject of the good documentary Milius.

        1. Huh? Whut? How is it possible I don’t know about this man? Why have I never heard of him?

          http://frontierpartisans.com/6174/milius/

          “”He doesn’t write for pussies. He doesn’t write for women. He writes for men. Cuz he’s a man.”

          ? Sam Elliott on John Milius

          1. Glad I could turn you on to him. He is the least known of the Lucas/Spielberg/Coppola/Scorsese gang. Be sure to see The Wind and the Lion if you haven’t.

            1. Unfortunately, that movie lionizes Theodore Roosevelt and his complete assholery.

              1. I’m not saying it’s a libertarian movie, just a good and unusual one. The scene in which they storm the palace of the emir(?) is classic.

                1. The Sean Connery/Candice Bergen scenes are good; the Roosevelt scenes are obnoxious.

          2. Man, there’s more micro aggressions and patriarchy in half that page than I’ve seen in a long time. I like it!

          3. How is it possible I don’t know about this man?

            You do. He wrote dirty harry. He directed Red Dawn and Conan the Barbarian. He wrote the original screenplay that became Apocolypse Now. He’s an institution.

            1. True, but when you tell people that, they go: “Oh, OK, huh.” Milius just hasn’t gotten the press the others in his group have, I think in part because he’s the least PC of the bunch.

            2. What’s less well known is that Milus, using pseudonyms, wrote the scripts for “Love Actually” and “The Hours.”

              Source: A warm, moist place.

          4. Best of all = he’s the man John Goodman’s character in Big Lebowskiis based on.

            1. I forgot to mention that! Thanks.

              1. They even copied his speech-patterns.

                he has this reserved, sedate, musical, sort of pedantic way of talking, like he’s giving a private lecture…. when suddenly someone tries to interrupt him and he’ll just explode for 2 seconds…then go back to his, “Anyway, dude, the chinaman is not the issue here….”

                1. meant “didactic” not pedantic

      2. Jaws makes you want to get back out to sea:) To battle Great Whites with a scuba knife no doubt!

          1. Whoa. Bullshit. I see the photo, I read the story, but I refuse to believe that. That simply cant be true.

          2. Brain the size of a pea, balls the size of Texas.

              1. That’s crazy. Although I have a picture if my oldest daughter when she was like 5 or 6 sitting on an Orca at Sea World.

                1. the orcas (orcii? cmon spellcheck) tell a similar anecdote about a picture of their oldest daughter posing with a treat on her head.

                  1. I know right:)

                  2. I saw a bunch of orcas on a whale watching trip a few weeks back. The calves would do turns and flips when they jumped out of the water. There must have been about 20 of them. They got within about 5 feet of the boat.

                    But this guy had a even cooler encounter with a whale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0_h3AAn7Pk

                    I got pretty close to an African bull elephant once.

                    1. Yeah, we saw a bunch off the San Juan Islands when we visited Washington years ago. It was pretty cool. Saw a Bald Eagle launch from its nest over our boat too which was also pretty cool.

                    2. Was reading a wiki article about some nuclear plant recently, and the discharge water keeps part of the receiving lake’s shore ice free during the winter. Well, fish congregate there and the eagles aren’t stupid.

                      Nuclear Power: It’s got what eagles crave!

                    3. * Bald Eagles, no less, but it was in Canada, so does that still count?

              2. No. Just fucking no.

              3. For a few seconds, it looked like she was trying to hump the shark.

        1. Dude, I wish I could tell you yes on that…but…have you ever seen a great white up close?

          It is horrifying beyond words. Really, ‘terror’ and ‘monster’ dont describe it.

          Maybe I will just stay home with my lovely wife and have a drink.

          1. * I once had a conversation with a greenie who had been on one of those shark viewing dives. The guy paid a fortune to sit in a shark cage and view one up close. He went on and on about how beautiful and majestic the damn thing was. He lost his shit when I told him seeing one only makes me want to grab my 45-70.

            That is some serious disconnected from reality.

          2. Why not try shark cage diving? What could go wrong there?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2obQ4kTNcc

          3. Yes, facing a Great White would be my greatest fear. At least with a grizzly or lion your feet are on the ground. Scary things.

            1. Well, now that you mention it…I have told the story before, when I was young and stupid I hunted a panther only to discover he was hunting me. He painted me into a corner for his own amusement and when I realized what he had done, with that fucking cat looking at me from ten feet away it hit me “I’m his food.”

              I have never run into a grizzly. I think I will keep it that way.

              1. What did you do?

                1. Nothing. I turned around and a 200 pound cat was just sitting there looking at me calmly and my hands turned so clammy I couldn’t control my rifle. I nearly dropped it. He had to be walking five steps behind me half the time I thought I was following him. Talk about a ghost, moving around he made no sound whatsoever. It was dry, the leaves were like cornflakes but he would glide over them and make zero sound.

                  We stared at each other for what seemed like forever to me, but to him was just enough time to say ‘yeah, fuck you. Out here I’m king.’ and then he just evaporated into the brush. He walked ten feet and disappeared. I never tried that shit again.

                  1. Wow, that had to be one hell of a feeling.

              2. There’s a great book called Hunter about a Scottish guy who drops out of school and becomes a game warden in colonial east Africa. He has some crazy stories. One time in the Congo, he saw a guy tied up with dotted lines all over him. It turns out the was being sold to cannibals and the lines
                showed which parts had been claimed.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._A._Hunter

      3. I watched it Friday on my flight home. Had the people in my row and across the aisle ask if I could take my headphones off so they could hear it.

        And I’m going to spoof that monologue here in a few minutes. I thought of it on the plane and you just reminded me.

        1. Sometimes that prog looks right at ya. Right into your eyes. And the thing about a prog is he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn’t even seem to be livin’? ’til he throws a bottle at ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then? ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin’. The sidewalk turns red, and despite all your poundin’ and your hollerin’ those progs come in and? they rip you to pieces.

          You know by the end of that first speech, lost a hundred men. I don’t know how many progs there were, maybe a thousand. I do know how many Trump supporters, they averaged six an hour. Thursday mornin’, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boson’s mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up, down in the water, he was like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he’d been bitten in half below the waist.

          At noon on the fifth day, a Police chopper swung in low and he spotted us, a young pilot, lot younger than Mr. Hooper here, anyway he spotted us and a few hours later a big ol’ police van come down and started to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin’ for my turn. I’ll never put on a campaign button again. So, eleven hundred men went into that rally. 316 men come out, the progs took the rest, June the 2nd, 2016.

          Anyway, we delivered the nomination.”

    4. People so often talk as if deporting illegals means dragging each one into a van. But they all followed incentives and got here on their own, so they can be incentivized to go back on their own.

      1. The point is the fuck factor:

        Giving dumb asses dumb-ass jobs.

        This is currently the democrat’s problem right now. Your focus should be on growing the number of productive jobs that directly contribute to the economy.

        1. Meh, I’d rather they focus on getting the fuck out of the way.

          Sadly, only Donald Trump has said anything tangible about rolling back a lot of regulations.

          1. Well, that’s my point.

            After reading Charles Murray’s analysis on Trump and having yet to hear of Trump forming a plan on how he will cut spending (besides rolling back EPA and Wall Street regulations a little)… I can’t help but dislike (loathe is a little too harsh, I suppose) people who spread his message like it’s gospel as much as I did the Obama supporters.

            We’re getting scammed, just admit it before you pull down your pants. That being said, he would be another Barack Obama, which isn’t so bad for someone like me.

  24. What is the purpose of the LP?

    Flypaper for crackpots, right?

    1. I thought is was to never get elected to power?

  25. The best hope for us getting libertarians elected is if they run as Republicans.

    1. Gary Johnson was a two-term Republican Governor.

      He was trying to run on the Republican Ticket back in 2012 but they wouldn’t invite him to debates.

      This is how we ended up getting Gary Johnson in the Libertarian Party.

      Had Gary not ran, I would had voted for Hilary and I’m not particularly happy with her. I just don’t want another Clarence Thomas or Scalia appointed to the Supreme Court.

      With Gary Johnson as President, I know he’s not going to appoint a RIGHT-Wing nut.

      GO Gary !!!

      1. You’d rather have another Kagan or Sotomayor?

        Are you fucking retarded?

        1. Are you seriously asking Alice if she is retarded? You have to ask?

          1. I’m a gentleman.

          2. I always assumed Alice was a dude.

            1. I’ve always read the name as a combination of Alice Cooper and David Bowie.

          1. Then you’ve answered my retardation question. Thanks.

      2. Alice, we had an actual real libertarian running for the GOP nomination and they let him on the stage. People overall do not want to hear the libertarian message, because there’s nothing in it about bullying your neighbors and stealing their stuff, or bombing poor brown people in poor 3rd world countries.

        1. I don’t support any of those things.

          I don’t believe in bullying your neighbor. Yet, I do believe we need laws so that I and my neighbors behave. So no, I’m not an anarchist.

          I don’t believe taxes is theft. But, If you libertarians want to give up taxes and make it completely voluntary, let’s give it a try and see what it looks like.

          I’ve never believed in bombing the 3rd world or poor brown people. I was a victim in 911 attacks and i was very much against these expensive wars.

          i DO support Gary Johnson. He’s a reasonable libertarian if you ask me.
          He had a great track record in New Mexico and not just by fiscal conservatives standards.
          Latinos were rather happy with Gary Johnson. He did a good job with safety nets and he believes in safety nets.

          Put him in a debate with the Carnival Barker and the War Lady and you’ll see that he’s the most reasonable candidate.
          1. He has experience in Politics as a two-time Republican Governor
          2. He’s not pushing Isolationism
          3. He’s a social Liberal
          4. He won’t elect some crazy person to the Supreme Court.

          This is my GUY !!!

  26. Asked about a third party conservative run, Karl Rove, just now, on Fox News Sunday, said it was ridiculous. He said “If you don’t want Hillary or Trump as president, you already have a 3rd party on the ballot in all 50 states- the Libertarian Party.”

    1. That’s what I tell everyone who says anything to me about a 3rd party. They just completely ignore it. I mean, libertarians are going to let people smoke dope, I have children!

  27. Hey flyover country: your precious Crocs are bad for your health.

    Several podiatrists were consulted on whether the modern-day clogs were actually good for your health. They all resoundingly said no.

    Dr. Megan Leahy, a Chicago-based podiatrist with the Illinois Bone and Joint Institute, told Huffington Post: ‘Unfortunately Crocs are not suitable for all-day use.’

    She added: ‘These shoes do not adequately secure the heel. When the heel is unstable, toes tend to grip which can lead to tendinitis, worsening of toe deformities, nail problems, corns and calluses

    1. But paying an absurd amount for ugly plastic shoes is cool, man!

      1. Better than Toms.

    2. Fuck you, Mario Batali!* I kept having to order cooks bring in a second pair of non-skid shoes “just in case” after he popularized Crocs in the kitchen. Young guys should be able to walk or stand for eight hours without pain, FFS. They were crippled by ten.

      * I’ll love you forever anyway. Douche.

      1. Everybody in my old kitchen wore these. Nobody ever had problems with their feet or legs and we were often up for 12-14 hours straight.

        1. I’m delighted you were happy with the results. My results involved much frownyface.

          Are those non-skid? It doesn’t say, and if those are non-skid they’re getting bookmarked.

          1. I’m sure they are.

  28. “The Canadian parliament is close to adopting a bill that would change the national anthem ? O Canada ? to make it gender-neutral.

    The bill, affecting only the English-language lyrics, would change “in all thy sons command” to “in all of us command.”

    “We are in 2016. The Canadian population will understand why we want to make the change,” said New Democrat MP Christine Moore during the debate, MRC-TV reports. “It is not a big change, and there will not be a big difference in the national anthem, but the difference is significant for women all across Canada.”

    One reason the move is being fast-tracked is that it is viewed as a legacy project for Liberal MP Mauril B?langer, whose health is rapidly deteriorating from ALS, according to the Ottaway Citizen. The longtime member from Ottawa-Vanier can no longer speak and must rely on a voice generator”

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/…..smsnnews11

    Apparently the government of Canada is solving its high priority issues first.

    1. One reason the move is being fast-tracked is that it is viewed as a legacy project for Liberal MP Mauril B?langer, whose health is rapidly deteriorating from ALS, according to the Ottaway Citizen. The longtime member from Ottawa-Vanier can no longer speak and must rely on a voice generator”

      Fucking guy is a selfless public servant, right? Can’t speak and most certainly can’t write bills…but he’s still got the constituents interests at heart by staying in office.

      Fucking politicians are almost all a bunch of self-aggrandizing assholes.

      1. It is a bit disconcerting that this is something he thinks he should be remembered for or that anybody woul think it was significant to anybody.

        1. Who knows, it might come up in a Canadian pub quiz or trivial pursuit Canada edition.

      2. I know, it really makes me sick when the leftists keep droning on and on about Obama’s legacy, like that’s the most important thing in all the world and the well being and rights of American citizens is just an after thought.

        1. Remember when they did the same with Teddy Kennedy? Kept him in office even though he was incapable of doing his job just so they could “get one of his signature policies enacted before he dies.”

          Fuck him! He’s so selfish he can’t even walk (or be rolled) away when he can no longer effectively do his job? They don’t care about their constituents. They care about their egos.

    2. I think the only reason that the USA lets Canada continue to exist is that it always makes the American government look sane by comparison.

    3. First World Problems

      http://humanevents.com/2016/06…..-problems/

      1. I still think Newt will be Trump’s VP

    4. The revision also sublety changes the meaning of the line. “True patriot love” being something within the ability (command) of Canada’s sons rather than something being demanded by Canada. In other patriotism is something that is an obligation of the people to the nation rather than something freely given to the nation by the people.

    5. As long as they don’t touch the French version:

      “Car ton bras sait porter l’?p?e,
      Il sait porter la croix!”

      (“As is thy arm ready to wield the sword,
      So also is it ready to carry the cross.”)

  29. Uh-oh. Looks like Sanders’ is looking to out-fag Clinton:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABaLhtchYfA

    1. “He’s the only candidate that truly sees all humans as equal.”

      Um, all humans aren’t equal, dumbass. They all have the same rights but they’re not all equal except in the eyes of God.

      1. Easy to say for someone of privilege, heteronormal shitlord!

      2. Democrats tend to think that all humans should have equal access to the American welfare state.

        1. Of course. More democrat voters.

        2. Democrats tend to think that all humans should have equal access to the American welfare state fruits of your labor

          FIFY!

          1. Democrats – Hating Everyone Equally Since 1828!

    2. oopsy- strike that apostrophe

    3. “I’ve heard him defend us and stand up for us. Just the first time that I’ve felt included…as a human.”

      Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. ::gasp:: hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

      What the ever loving fuck? The first time you’ve ever felt included as a human? GET OUT OF THE HOUSE MORE, LOSER!

      Jesus, Trump ought to use that as a campaign ad himself, as is, and just say “do you want to be lumped in with these whiny pussies? If not, then don’t vote for Bernie.”

      1. I mean these people in the video look like they’ve clearly suffered a massive overdose of the reality destroying kool-aid.

        1. You’re such a grinch. Watch this ad and become full of good feels:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nwRiuh1Cug

          1. This is what happens when a third of the country is out of the work force. It’s getting late, time to put on my grinch jammies.

          2. Flash images of people being productive members of an economy. Then flash images of people standing about stupidly waving political signs. Pick one.

            1. Where were all of the factory workers on the assembly lines in those images?

              Oh yeah, they’re behind him at the rally…unemployed.

              1. Exactly.

          3. I prefer the Yes version of America.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0JkTIKm2iY

          4. 24 seconds into that and I puked.

            Would someone kick that stupid fucking commie in the head already.

    4. I’m torn.

      It’s almost like there are a ton of people who are complete fruit loops who get conflated with sane people who just have different proclivities than I do.

      Would any of the ‘faggots’ around here care to weigh in on that?

      *there are more than a few queers around here that have more honor in their little toe than the average bear has in their whole being.

      1. *there are more than a few queers around here that have more honor in their little toe than the average bear has in their whole being.

        Wait, you’re saying the twinks are more honorable than the bears?

  30. “When asked to define what is government should do, Johnson replied, “Protect us against individuals, corporations, brutes, foreign governments.”

    [Criminals] would have been better than “brutes”, and I might have said it more succinctly as “The legitimate purpose of government is to protect our rights”.

    That being said, he’s about as close as I could hope he would be. Can’t imagine any of the other candidates answering that question so well, and it’s important to remember that the purpose of Libertarian candidates is to generate coverage for libertarian ideas and preach the libertarian gospel.

    Johnson did a great job of that.

    Also, I doubt any other libertarian candidate but Johnson would have been invited onto the show, and I think part of the reason he was invited is because of the coverage he and Weld are drawing–because they’re Johnson and Weld.

    We picked the right guys for this mission.

    1. Interesting that he said “protect us against foreign governments”: I’d say it’s also their job to protect us against foreign non-governmental organizations, and against foreign individuals.

      1. You mean silicon valley?

      2. Disabusing disaffected Republicans of the notion that we’re a bunch of absolutist peaceniks is good enough.

        Some of us drink Stoli, too!

    1. I’m in favor of the two on each end getting naked. GILFS FOR CANNABIS!

      1. Seriously? Middle and right.

        1. I’m betting the brunette has the best body.

          1. But the blonde on the right there has some really big boobies.

            /why there are no female libertarians

            1. Yeah, that would be my first choice.

              1. She’s really cute also, but I still would go for the brunette because I bet she has the best bod. 40+ years of assessing and admiring the female form tell me this. I don’t care about faces, because I’m a libertarian man pig.

                1. Yeah she would be my 2nd choice.

                2. As a 60 year old guy who is no longer married, I would take the one with the biggest bank account.

            2. Yeah, nothing says sexy more than a pair of big ol granny titties when the bra comes off.

      2. Would. Would. Would.

        1. Yeah. The one in the middle looks as if gravity has really taken it’s toll on her, but I think the 2 on either side are going to be some fine GILF.

    2. Whoa. Those three ladies are awesome.

      1. I could party with them, except my wife would bring out the sharp claws and it would end badly.

    3. Lol, I just got around to finishing the video. I love the line at the end ‘No grandmas were harmed in making this video’.

  31. Sanders crams more prog derp into 5 minutes than I though possible.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyee_sxJpXc

    1. Windmills for Jesus and 15$/hour for whales.

    2. Fuck that idiot. I came from a poor family and I worked and paid my own way through college. A lot of the kids I knew back then in the same situation are still sitting on their porch in that small town, smoking crack and drinking cheap beer, courtesy of their monthly government check. It’s about choices, Bernie. But you know that, stop lying to people and tell them the truth. I guess that’s an impossible thing for someone who’s always been in politics.

    3. derp to the derp power.

    4. It makes sense if you don’t think about it. Free college? Great idea! Who is going to pay for it, and what are the opportunity costs of taking that money out of the economy? Um, that’s like hard and stuff. But free college is awesome! Same with health care! And free stuff for veterans! He’d going to fix inequality! We’ll all be equally poor! Fuck yeah! Go Bernie! Woo hoo!

      1. Just ask one of them who’s going to pay for it. They’ll tell you, in seeming disbelief you’ve asked that question, that of course, the government is going to pay for it. You’ll have to explain it to them. Good luck.

        1. Well the government prints money, which means the government is the source of wealth! Money is wealth, government makes money, so… where’s the flaw in the logic? You don’t agree with me? Give me all your money! You say it is worthless! Ha ha! I win!

        2. A tax on Wall Street speculation!
          Uh…you mean investment?



          THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED!

  32. OT: Peter Thiel is on The Guardian’s naughty list:

    http://www.theguardian.com/med…..t-75697243

    1. Zabka 36m ago

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      1
      Thiel is a nasty libertarian wanker. Freedom for these twats is freedom to pursue their dreams of a fascist society.

      Typical derptard’s knowledge of libertarianism.

      Thiel has been attracting the wrath of the leftist media for a while now. They hate it that someone with that much money can be a libertarian.

      1. Yeah they hate libertarians, but also they just hate it that there’s that much money in the hands of a private individual, George Soros excepted of course.

        1. George Soros excepted of course

          And Tom Steyer, Barbara Streisand, George Clooney, Oprah Winfrey… ’cause they’re the GOOD kind of millionaire.

          1. That was supposed to be “billionaire.” At the thought of all that money, my greedy (((hands))) got twitchy and mistyped.

    2. Heroic Mulatto will appear shortly and present us a killer Peter Thiel “Thug life” clip.

    3. But if we are to take seriously the idea that Thiel’s initial half-million-dollar investment in Facebook entitles him to a portion of the value of the company that dominates so much everyday life today, we must also seriously consider that his startup investment in O’Keefe has had a handsome return on investment, too.

      Congratulations, this is the dumbest thing I’ve read all week.

    4. Ha ha, Thiel thought he could signal his coolness to the progs by boycotting North Carolina. He’s hip! He’s enlightened! You can have a penis and still be a woman! He’ll step on the consciences of small businesses owners!

      And for what? The progs *still* don’t like him.

      Serves him the fuck right.

      1. Dumb shit thought the crocodile would eat him last.

  33. from a political point of view, the less he says we’re all really just libertarians at heart, the better. in fact, he should probably refrain from using the word libertarian too much even.

    1. It’s kinda hard to avoid the “l” word when GayJay is running under the banner and ballot line of the Libertarian Party

      1. “l” word

        Intestinal parasite?

  34. 2016 Engine of the year

    http://www.foxnews.com/leisure…..p=features

    1. That is a thing of beauty for sure.

      1. I’ve always wanted a Ferrari.

        1. Owning such a thing is oppressing your neighbors, we’re all in this together. Not everyone can own a Ferrari, so no one should.

          1. I don’t want to prevent them from achieving their mazimum potential social status of victim.

            1. Yes, apparently victim is the highest honor one is allowed to achieve in the brave new world.

    2. Speaking of fast

      http://www.topgear.com/car-new…..-tt-sale#1

      1. Probably the coolest car I have seen around here in a while was a BMW i8. In an area where exotic cars are not so rare, that’s the first car I’ve seen in a while that made me turn my head and say ‘wow, what the fuck is that?’.

        1. Never seen one in the…. plastic? They have provoked mixed reactions from critics. The funniest line is that if you look at it from behind, it looks like its trying to poo-out a 911.

          once you see that, you cannot un-see it.

          1. Never seen one. Well, that explains it, that is the most badass spaceship looking car I have ever seen, and I live in an area where exotic cars are common place.

        2. Yeah, that’s pretty sharp

      2. i find those saleens hideous

        why would anyone want that versus this*

        (*noted = only like a few dozen made, none in the US, not crazy high HP but snappy power/weight)

        1. Nice retro look!

    3. I’ve heard car journos say that the days of the naturally-aspirated V8 are basically already over.

      In fact the prognostication is that almost all car engines will be smaller-displacement/forced induction within a few years.

      the argument is basically (from what i understand) that it just makes sense on at least 3 levels = power/weight, fuel efficiency w/ ethanol blends, lower emissions…. probably other points as well.

      I keep wondering why Tesla stock won’t plummet further, because it just seems to me that when combustion cars start doing 40+m to the gallon on a consistent basis, there’s less and less of a case for electric vehicles. unless i’m missing something.

      1. “…there is less and less of a case for electric vehicles.”

        No. You aren’t missing anything. And no, there is no ‘less of a case’ for something that there is no case for. The only guy that I know that bought an electric car quit driving it after a month and went back to driving his Tundra because it was cheaper.

      2. The blown tiny engines are a response to carbon emission regs outside the US and CAFE standards here.
        The Big 3 all make great NA V-8s but they’re having to discourage consumers from buying too many.

  35. Balmer is having a monsoon. It was really humid earlier today.

    1. Is it slowing down the shooting? And what the fuck happened to the Orioles?

      1. I was a big Orioles fan as a kid, even though I didn’t live in Murland. I can’t even watch baseball anymore, it’s so damn slow and boring. Also, in this neighborhood, I can’t see the shooting from my porch, so I dunno.

      2. And what the fuck happened to the Orioles?

        YANKEES UNIVERSE! is what happened.

        1. Brooks Robinson. That is all.

          1. 20+ years with the same team. You don’t see that much anymore.

            1. It’s rare. Barry Sanders comes to mind when considering the loyalty, but to last 20 years in football is not that realistic, considering that sort of punishment cannot typically be endured by the human body.

          2. Brooks Robinson. That is all.

            I was just rewatching the ’70 World Series. Holy shit, a murderers’ row of 20 game winning pitchers, Brooks at his peak, and one Gold Glove after another in the infield and outfield. Boog, Frank, Blair, Belanger… just an amazing team.

  36. I’m bored. Needz moar pot smoking gilfs!

    1. I know a bar

      1. I envy you. I only have one and she doesn’t approve of the pots, I haz a sad.

        1. Oh I rarely toke, maybe a couple hits a few times a year. My asthma makes me pay for it when I do. Occasionally at the bar or I might before hitting a movie. Wife can’t because of her job.

          1. I haven’t had any cannabis in more than 20 years. But sometimes I think about trying it again in a legal environment. The only area near me where it’s legal is DC, and you can’t buy it there.

  37. This guy makes me laugh.

    I keep getting hints from some of his videos that he’s actually quasi-serious about being a “Spiritual Life Coach”

    But the parody of the *idea* of the Spiritual Life Coach is freaking hilarious. re: vides on Essential Oils and How to Become Gluten Intolerant

    1. Looks like a capitalist to me. I don’t have any problems with this hippy. I think he gets it.

    2. My mom found this series and finds the guy hilarious. She’s also adamantly anti-GMO, anti-industrial farming/ranching, anti-nuclear energy…

      1. I think part of his shtick is that he helps people who are too-serious about this shit laugh at themselves.

        But as mentioned, this article clarifies that he is in fact ‘half in the bag’.

        Were Sears simply a critic and comedian shattering New Age pieties his videos would still be clever and hilarious, but Sears is a full-time life coach whose work focuses on emotional healing. When Sears notes that he too is guilty of the behaviors he lampoons, he puts himself in the far more interesting tradition of those who criticize and question the beliefs they themselves hold.

        I recently visited this New Age Stephen Colbert at his home in Charleston, South Carolina to find out, among other things, how he balances comic and spiritual concerns that appear to be at odds with one another.

        You satirize the way that Ultra Spiritual people can replace the anti-dogmatic pluralism of New Age with a kind of consumerist individualism. There’s a “truthiness” there, since they selectively appeal to religious and scientific facts. To push your metaphor further: if practices and philosophies necessarily become a crutch, doesn’t this just lead to the relativistic individualism you critique?”

        – I love the wisdom of your question

        1. Even his answer sounds like a meta-piss-take

          1. “I love the wisdom of your question” sounds like “I wish I’d been clever enough to come up with that critique myself.”

            1. Your insight reflects your kind and giving nature

              1. You think it was more of a “fuck you, you fucking fuck” kind of pause?

                1. Anger is really just a way of saying, “”recognize my pain””

                  No, i think he was being honestly overly-generous, but i think its still a hilarious rhetorical M.O.

                  I spent a few years in consulting, and my boss at the time was an older guy (65) with a lot of executive-sales experience. He knew absolutely nothing about the actual work-capabilities we were “selling” or the actual needs of the operators we were at the time selling ourselves to… but he was a ninja master of the sort of high-level power-bullshit-language that people managing 500+ employees tend to speak in.

                  He’d talk about fucking golf half the time in a meeting. and 90% of the time he’d walk out with at least the promise of a deal. You can say, “you’re talking meaningless gibberish”, but what does it matter when it achieves the needed ends?

                  people in the business of being Spiritual Life Coaches are pretty much doing the same thing. I suppose they’re well suited to mocking themselves because its a mockworthy business.

                  I know a guy who’s a child psychologist (also a crunchy-hippy type FWIW). He jokes that he’s really a Child’s-parents-psychologist, because 90% of the time the crazy-people are not the kids, but the parents who need to be told their kid is fine but that they are retarded and over-anxious.

                  He could do a similar parody-show about his own world.

  38. Maybe one of the reasons Chinese students test so much better than American students in math and science is because they cheat like motherfuckers.

    According to the Wall Street Journal, foreign students at American universities cheat more than five times as much as American students, and a disproportionate number of them are Chinese.

    http://tinyurl.com/hup5lcl

    1. That story is slanted.

      1. I don’t know, I squinted hard, but couldn’t see any bias.

        1. It’s a perfect example of yellow journalism.

          1. I can’t see what you’re getting at. I guess I’m not oriented the same way you are.

          2. You assholes need to realize our modern culture does not tolerate such racism, and orient yourselves accordingly.

              1. The students did what they had to do, once they realized the Prof. graded on a slope.

                1. I think you guys are really exaggerating some rinky-dinky stuff.

                  1. Way to go, GILMORE! Remind everybody that asians can’t play hockey!

                2. It really exposed the chink in their armor.

            1. You all need to nip this thread in the bud before gets out of control.

              1. GOOK!

            2. These comments are too slanted to believe.

    2. Citizens of Asian countries, or does this include Asian-Americans?

      And don’t say read the article, that would be cheating.

    3. It’s important to point out that despite what you might see with your very eyes in this thread I am innocent of any wrongdoing as no one has been killed due to my actions.

  39. “Most people are fiscally conservative and socially liberal”

    I think this is true *if* you define “fiscally conservative” broadly enough to include people who want to balance the budget by raising taxes.

    If you mean “economically liberal,” then it depends on what you mean by “liberal.”

    If you mean “classical liberal/libertarian,” then I’m not sure how many you can find.

    You have lefties saying “we tried deregulation and got a recession!” And that Obama sold out by not doing enough.

    You have many people (rightists? populists? conservatives? call them what you will) saying that “we tried open borders and American workers lost their jobs or their salaries/benefits to cheap foreign labor!”

    In fact, I think some of the voter anger we’re seeing isn’t from Rothbardites mad about the Fed and unsustainable programs, but populist types mad that the government let private business screw people out of their jobs and quality of life.

    1. As for so-called social liberals, what is your definition? If you mean people who think the government should be on the side of left-wing social change, then yes there’s lots of social liberals. That’s certainly the definition an NPR listener would think of based on Gillespie’s rhetoric – kind of a Mike Bloomberg type, you know, a right-winger on economics but a “moderate” on social issues.

      If by “social liberal” you mean someone who wants the government to let people make their own social choices* – smoke as much grass as they want, choose their own customers, set their own rules for employees – I doubt it.

      I would prefer that Americans all became Frank Meyer “fusionists” – morality and freedom are interdependent, we can’t have one without the other, morality includes the freedom to be immoral, but the government has no business redefining pre-state institutions like the family – but candor compells me to admit I don’t really see a Frank Meyer party forming.

      Certainly not Gary and Bill.

      *Let’s defer abortion to another day.

      1. Maybe the Constitution Party, they can always surprise me, and they may get my vote, but how much of a profile do they have with the voter?

    2. I don’t think that there is any question that the populist blame the poor job market on globalization and immigration. But they should blaming governnent meddling.

      1. There’s a lot of stuff they *should* do.

        But who they gonna vote for?

        1. Not Johnson

    3. In fact, I think some of the voter anger we’re seeing isn’t from Rothbardites mad about the Fed and unsustainable programs, but populist types mad that the government let private business screw people out of their jobs and quality of life.

      Well don’t worry, Gary thinks the gubmint should protect us from corporations.

      1. Yes, but also individuals. It’s clear from context that he doesn’t think either individuals or corporations per se are a problem.

  40. As important, Johnson’s spoke in the broad, big-vision strokes of a candidate while also being able to discuss specifics with ease. In today’s political climate, inspiring confidence and trust is as much as a question of how you speak as what you say.

    Yeah, GayJay’s great on specifics. He thinks Nazis have protected class status and has no clue what he would have done as president while WWII was unfolding. Boy it’s going to be great having this guy take the libertarian message to a national audience. Hurrrrrr fiscally conservative, socially liberal durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

    1. Case in point:

      There was this notable exchange:

      Todd: What is the role of government in your view?

      Johnson: Less government. Smaller government. Government tries to do too many things.

      Nick uses this as proof of Johnson’s command of policy specifics… he didn’t answer the fucking question! And it’s a softball question. And when he’s cajoled into elaborating he ends up talking about how government should take care of us without spending too much and protect us from teh evil kkkorporashuns. Fucking bravo.

  41. I don’t know the details of the dope-legalization movement, but the impression I get is that it moved really fast, starting with people saying, “hey, I smoke this stuff, my friends and the people I want to be friends with smoke this stuff, I don’t want the police hassling us, and poor Dave the dealer just got a stiff prison sentence, he was kind of like a friend! And Anslinger was a racist who didn’t like jazz musicians.”

    Plus the cancer patients, etc. saying “time to stop being ridiculous and use this stuff which alleviates certain symptoms and makes my ordeal a little easier to endure” – they linked up with the first group.

    And it seems to have caught momentum – while there’s a split between “grassroots” conservatives who want to lock up the damn hippies and Buckley-style intellectual conservatives more open to legalization, the latter suddenly had a chance to add their own voices, making this a *bit* less of a hippie movement.

    And now legalization is a raging wildfire, etc.

    But it hasn’t made Joe Sixpack, or Joe Chronic, more principled about government intervention in general, it’s just that the case against government fucking up is brought home to Joe in a specific, concrete issue.

    1. Now, this movement is seriously “impure” from a libertarian perspective. If the Reason staffers were more into tractor pulls than cocktail parties, they’d find the stoners culturally icky – “why should we join a movement of Prius-driving socialists who simply want to deregulate the one part of the economy they and their friends happen to smoke?” [stereotypes are deliberately exaggerated for effect]

      But because of their cultural comfort with the kind of people who are in the legalization movement, the Reason folks got on board with them and became big-time allies.

      The religious-freedom movement is not any less pure than the dope-legalization movement, it’s just that the Reason people are less culturally sympathetic, so of course they hold those sky-daddyites to higher standards of purity, and turn up their nose at any idea of collaboration.

        1. I learned something new today, thank you!

          “Hold my artisanal craft beer and watch this!”

          1. I am a font of stupid knowledge.

    2. I think it is more to do with the fact that the generation who all tried pot is now in charge. 3 presidents in row spanning over two decades admitted to smoking pot. How long can that sort of ridiculous masquerade go on?

      1. That’s possible, but then, what about the people I keep hearing about on H&R who say “I can smoke it without ill effects, it’s those other people who can’t handle it and need to be ‘protected’ from it.” Which is such a common theme on so many issues that one has to ask why this sort of double standards suddenly stopped working on this one issue?

        While they keep applying double standards on so many other issues.

        1. Idk. It’s amazing though that it’s still illegal given the percentage of people under 60 who have tried it. It just goes to show how easy it is for people to throw other people in prison for pretty much anything. Sad really

          1. But consider the percentage of people who commit parking or traffic violations, yet lots of parking & driving is still illegal.

            1. People broadly accept the idea that most people are going to do illegal things, but also accept the laws making those things illegal.

        2. I think medical mj was a big help in pushing it to the recreational stage, partly because of where it stood legally to begin with. There wasn’t such resistance to it when people realized doctors would be in charge, and when old & sick people would be using it. Because it never penetrated to the pharmacy counter, it went right from there to recreational, even while we see crackdowns on medical narcotics.

          The timing was also right in that the legal mj movement got going before there was much progress in the anti-smoking movement. Because most mj was smoked, it’d have a harder time gaining acceptance now that tobacco smoking is on its way to being banned.

    3. But it hasn’t made Joe Sixpack, or Joe Chronic, more principled about government intervention in general

      Hasn’t even made them more principled on the drug war. The vast majority of pot legalization supporters still want heroin and coke illegal and want to make you beg a doctor, a DEA agent and your local pharmacist for anything stronger than a Tylenol for pain relief. MJ is just harmless and goofy and spiritual and probably cures cancer, so we can legalize it. Those icky drugs? I don’t think so.

      1. Btw, the vast majority of “libertarians”, including nearly everyone who writes for Reason, don’t give a flying fuck about legalizing anything but weed either.

        1. I personally think all drugs should be legal. Politically that’s not going to happen soon but we should be advocating it. Once MJ is pushed out everywhere and people see that the world didn’t end, hopefully other drug legalization will follow. Opiates will probably be the toughest sell.

          1. Then explain why tobacco products, even just nicotine, or the practice of vaping anything but cannabis, is getting such shabby treatment. I’m afraid that over the rest of this century nicotine will turn out to be a harder sell than opiates, because it has hardly any medical use.

          2. People have to pick their battles.

            I can argue that heroine should be legal, and that it should be legal to for private businesses to discriminate for whatever reason.

            Those arguments really only work on libertarian crowds. I can also admit those concepts are hard to sell to the general public.

            It’s much easier to argue for something specific like school choice, or free trade, or getting rid of burdensome regulations.

            Most people are for the soft part of libertarianism. They just don’t really like the hard parts of libertarianism.

      2. It’s not a matter of being “more” principled. It’s just a matter of what the principle is. Their principle is to balance the value of freedom vs. that of danger. Sometimes danger wins, sometimes freedom, depending on the specifics. This is considered sensible public policy by nearly everyone. Practically nobody wants either danger or freedom to be the only consider’n. So if we want more freedom, we’d better reduce the appearance of danger.

    4. The dope legaliz’n movement’s been on for 50 yrs. Maybe that fits your idea of really fast. And it might fit mine, considering some movements take centuries.

  42. And this gem

    Johnson insisted that he was the “only skeptic at the table” when it came to recent overseas military interventions, that he would “sign off on any reduction in the federal government,” and that we “always come down on the side of choice” in everything.

    From a guy who says we should do more humanitarian intervention, wants to pass the Equality Act, doesn’t think Jewish bakers should be allowed to turn away business from Nazis, doesn’t think Muslim women should be allowed to wear the hijab, and thinks GMO food should legally require labeling and that the federal government is the appropriate entity to mandate and enforce such labeling.

    1. It shows that coming down on the side of choice doesn’t resolve every issue. Some people think you should be allowed to choose the type of cake decoration you want, even if the baker doesn’t like swastikas; or that you need to be told whether food is GMO, so you can make an informed choice, whether its purveyor wants to tell you or not; or that you should be able to choose not to wear a hijab, which nobody would voluntarily choose so they must be under some threat if they do.

  43. How bizarre, how bizarre……..

    http://www.economicpolicyjourn…..ening.html

    Measuring over 57 km and costing over 11 billion Euros, the Gotthard Base Tunnel is the world’s longest and most expensive tunneling project in History. Going through the Swiss Alps, the tunnel took 17 years to complete and is said to be a symbol of European unification.

    The ceremony begins with workers dressed in orange walking slowly to the beat of a rhythmic military drum. This scene is supposed to represent the workers being sent to work on the tunnel.

    Then a train brings a group of young people dressed in white underwear. Dressed in white, these men and women are supposed to represent the masses who will travel through the tunnel.

    Notes Vigilant Citizen, for some reason, the ceremony becomes strangely sexual as the white-clad people start groping each other.

    Then, emerging from that train is a demonic fallen angel, a baby-faced Lucifer says VC. This scene is meant to “honor” the workers who died during the construction of the tunnel.

    1. And you thought Apple’s Super Bowl commercial was weird.

    2. 17 years and 11 billion euros to shave the commute time of a few thousand people from 3 hours to 2 hours.

      1. 17 years and 11 billion euros

        Hey! They could have spent this regulating the curvatures of Bananas!

    3. Maybe it took Swiss John Henry 17 years to dig the tunnel, but I’m impressed he got it done at all, given the arduous labor involved, and given that all those Swiss performance artists didn’t help but just sat around and artistically groped each other.

    4. We need to have them build another one and ship it over here. We’ll find a place for it somewhere.

  44. The Ballad of John Henry

    EXTRA CREDIT for Humanities majors: Do you detect any double entendres?

    1. Sometimes a steam drill is just a steam drill.

    2. John Henry was a preemie.

    3. The Bear and the Maiden Fair is a dirty, dirty song.

  45. Andrew Cuomo is awful.

    My penis is now named The BFG.

    1. The Beyond Flaccid Geegaw?

      1. Bifurcated Floral Graft.

  46. Andrew Cuomo is awful.

    My penis is now named The BFG.

    1. Andrew Cuomo is awful.

      I agree. My cat is a juggalo.

  47. This is written by someone who supposedly writes for a newspaper, not a political campaign:

    “Instead, the former secretary of state stopped at the morning services at Greater St. Paul Church to share her vision of a different sort of presidency.”
    http://www.sfgate.com/politics…..964760.php

    I have no idea if the writer is paid by the hag’s campaign, or maybe that slush fund, but if not, he or she should be embarrassed. Along with the editors.

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  50. Rigid gun laws really make gun deaths impossible:

    “6 dead, 56 wounded in different Chicago holiday shootings”
    […]
    “US cities see unexplained rise in violent crimes this year”
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    Just can’t figure out why those new gun restrictions haven’t fixed everything! We must be lacking the one new law that will shock you!

    1. Didn’t I recently read around here that the “Ferguson effect” was a myth…?

  51. If Johnson is right?and I think he is generally is?that most Americans are socially tolerant and fiscally responsible

    What exactly makes you think this is the case?

    1. He lives in a bubble

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