Donald Trump

Republicans Face a Choice: Lose With Trump, Lose Without Him

America needs its Isaiahs

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America confronts two disturbing prospects. The first is that Hillary Clinton will beat Donald Trump in November. The second, even more alarming, is that she won't. How Republicans face those possibilities will tell us much about whether the party has anything left to say in its own behalf.

Take former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore (R). When Trump proposed banning entry to the U.S. by all Muslims late last year, Gilmore tweeted, "Trump's fascist talk drives all minorities from GOP." This was a good response. An even better one would have been: "Trump's fascist talk is un-American."

That is a crucial difference, as it turns out: the difference between expedience (the GOP needs minorities to win) and principle (religious discrimination is wrong). Calculations change with changing circumstances, but principles don't— and in the past few months circumstances have changed remarkably.

With Trump's presidential nomination all but assured, Gilmore has now announced that he will not only vote for Trump but will even lead voter-registration efforts on Trump's behalf. This puts him in the camp that has been called, with some justification, Vichy Republicans: those who, for reasons of expedience, have embraced the occupation of the GOP by neo-fascist elements.

The term "fascist" gets tossed around far too much, but it fits Trump remarkably well: Trumpism lacks a coherent political philosophy; Trump changes his views more often than he changes shirts, and his supporters simply don't care. Rather, his popularity is built on the appeal of (1) a strong man who (2) endorses mob violence and who (3) promises to restore a nation to greatness by (4) being tough, (5) demonizing minorities, and (6) erecting barriers to stop the free movement of both people and goods. Trump's supporters have a disturbing tendency toward racism and anti-Semitism. The parallels go on and on.

Yet a lot of Republican leaders are reconciling themselves to Trump—including some (such as former Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and Texas Sen. John Cornyn) who also once expressed deep misgivings about him. They likely reason that it makes better sense to jump on the bandwagon than get run over by it. And that politics is after all a team sport. And that just because their guy didn't win the nomination doesn't mean they should take their ball and go home. Few conservatives would approve such rationalizations if tendered by Democrats.

Those rationalizations are also short-sighted, as Bret Stephens explained succinctly in the Wall Street Journal a few days ago: "Conservatives can survive liberal administrations, especially those whose predictable failures lead to healthy restorations—think Carter, then Reagan. What isn't survivable is a Republican president who is part Know Nothing, part Smoot-Hawley and part John Birch. The stain of a Trump administration would cripple the conservative cause for a generation."

That is the expedience argument against Trump. Another conservative, the Washington Post's Jennifer Rubin, laid out the principled one with bracing clarity: "There needs to be a separation between those who put stock in personal character and truthfulness and those who do not; between those who babble inanities and those who insist on intellectual rigor; between those who lack simple decency and respect for fellow Americans and those who believe our political system must function without threat of violence, bigoted slurs and lies. The dividing line is now crystal clear. To one side stands an angry nativist mob and to the other men and women of decent character and honorable purpose. Choose sides. You cannot be in both camps."

Choosing correctly, however, means conceding the election to Hillary Clinton, a congenital liar and big-government ideologue whose reign would not be good for the country—and that is a hard pill to swallow for diehard Republicans. Those diehards should hunt down a copy of "Isaiah's Job," a 1936 essay by Albert Jay Nock about the ways in which the search for "mass acceptance and mass approval" adulterates the "prophetic message."

At the beginning of the essay Nock retells the story of the prophet Isaiah, who is sent to deliver a message—even though "it won't do any good":

"Isaiah had been very willing to take on the job—in fact, he had asked for it—but the prospect put a new face on the situation. It raised the obvious question: Why, if all that were so—if the enterprise were to be a failure from the start— was there any sense in starting it? 'Ah,' the Lord said, 'you do not get the point. There is a Remnant there that you know nothing about. They are obscure, unorganized, inarticulate, each one rubbing along as best he can. They need to be encouraged and braced up because when everything has gone completely to the dogs, they are the ones who will come back and build up a new society; and meanwhile, your preaching will reassure them and keep them hanging on. Your job is to take care of the Remnant, so be off now and set about it.' "

No matter who wins in November, principled, small-government Republicans will lose. The only question is whether the party will give them a reason to rebuild the GOP—or abandon it for good.

This column originally appeared at the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

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  1. No matter who wins in November, principled, small-government Republicans will lose.

    All four of them.

    1. Good one. I would love to think that there are more than 4 but certainly the number is clearly less than 50%.

    2. Wow, still that many? Or is it just optimism on your part?

  2. The term “fascist” gets tossed around far too much, but it fits Trump remarkably well: Trumpism lacks a coherent political philosophy; Trump changes his views more often than he changes shirts, and his supporters simply don’t care. Rather, his popularity is built on the appeal of (1) a strong man who (2) endorses mob violence and who (3) promises to restore a nation to greatness by (4) being tough, (5) demonizing minorities, and (6) erecting barriers to stop the free movement of both people and goods. Trump’s supporters have a disturbing tendency toward racism and anti-Semitism. The parallels go on and on.

    Well said. And don’t forget the poisonous anti-intellectualism either.

    1. Maybe I’ve missed it, but most of the mob violence I’ve seen has been Democrats and other leftists attacking Trump supporters. And Fascism is a variety of socialism, which seeks to direct, but not directly own, the means of production. It isn’t just people we don’t like.

      1. Fascism is a variety of socialism, which seeks to direct, but not directly own, the means of production.

        Such as telling businesses who they can and cannot hire, where and with whom they must do business, and threatening to strong-arm them if they choose to relocate due to exorbitant taxes. Trump is about as trustworthy on reigniting business as Hillary is on preserving gun rights.

        1. It’s been fascism all the way down for a while now.

          1. Yep; those glowing pieces about business-sympathetic millennials are dulled a bit when you realize that millennials may not be socialists, but they’re starting to look like brownshirts.

            1. Note: when i say “for a while,” i mean “since the ’30s.”

      2. Fascism is a variety of socialism, which seeks to direct, but not directly own, the means of production.

        Which probably describes Trump’s economic policies as well. So calling him a fascist fits. It also describes Her Cankleness. And of course Berntard is a commie, regardless of what he calls himself now.

        1. It’s been the case for quite a while now, so I don’t think Trump qualifies as uniquely fascist.

        2. Yup. The term fascist gets tossed around far too much…. so pile on while we can.

    2. Libertarians are generally anti-intellectualism when it comes to experts and authority. The intellectual class has been near-totally co-opted by progressives. “Anti-philosophical” is a better description: there’s not only no philosophical coherence in his pandering platform, but a repudiation of guiding principles other than expedience. He’s very much like a lefty in that respect, all that matters is power.

      1. There’s a difference between refusing to kowtow to an out of touch intellectual class and outright rejecting education as tools of Jewry, communism and atheism. Trump supporters (as well supporters of Ted Cruz) overwhelmingly fall into the latter camp

        1. What on earth? Do you have a cite for Cruz?

          1. If anything, it’s Cruz’s intellectual arrogance which turns people off.

      2. Libertarians are against self-appointed elite nannies. There’s a huge difference between a bridge builder and a moralizing philosopher, or even being a climatologist and a global warming fanboi.

        1. No disagreement, I just object to using the term anti-intellectual as a pejorative. It falls into the lefty trap since intellectual elite has become synonymous with progressive sympatico, so being anti-progressive means being anti-intellectual.

          1. Good point. Politics has debased so much language and daily experience that I blame it for most of the corruption of “common sense”.

      3. Libertarians are generally anti-intellectualism when it comes to experts and authority.

        Or rather we point out that the soi-disant “intellectuals” are anything but.

        1. Plenty of deference to intellectual authority by writers here.

        2. This. The more someone cloaks himself in the mantle of intellectualism, the less intelligent that person usually is these days.

      4. In my book, intellectualism has more to do with how you think, and less to do with deferring to experts and authority.

      5. In my book, intellectualism has more to do with how you think, and less to do with deferring to experts and authority.

        1. “book”? Are you some kind of weirdo?

          1. Don’t they have those online?

      6. As I note below, libertarians don’t reject intellectualism as properly understood. They reject academic authority, which has become anti-intellectual in its own right.

    3. Careful, the resident Trumpaloes have decided it’s elitist, cosmo social-signaling to point out that Trump’s platform is 95% toxic bile supported by an angry and befuddled white underclass.

      1. Trump’s platform is 95% toxic bile

        Of course it is. So are the platforms of the TEAM BLUE candidates.

        1. Arsenic and Cyanide

          AIDS and syphilis

          Douche and turd.

          Pointing out the nature of one is not an endorsement of the other.

          1. A repeated focus on the negative attributes of one, while ignoring the negative attributes of the other, is a kind of endorsement in practice.

            1. I don’t think anyone here is ignoring the horribleness of Bernie or Hillary (the author also points it out). It’s just so obvious it’s not worth saying… meanwhile the Trump cult is everywhere defending him like drones.

              1. This.

                I can’t think of a single member of the commentariat who thinks there’s a “libertarian case” for Bernie or Hillary, outside of AmSoc et al. There might be some, and bless their little cotton socks, but it isn’t a widely-held opinion from what I can tell.

                1. I can’t think of a single member of the commentariat who thinks there’s a “libertarian case” for Bernie or Hillary,

                  Actually I’ve been informed, in this very thread, that apparently I’m a Berntard. I guess because I made fun Trump’s idiotic supporter’s tendency to accuse anyone criticizing their man crush of being TEAM BLUE or something.

              2. It’s just so obvious it’s not worth saying…

                Oh, please. This is the internet. There’s so obvious its not worth saying.

                meanwhile the Trump cult is everywhere defending him like drones.

                As a reaction, I suspect, to a unending tsunami of attacks.

              3. “The second, even more alarming, is that she won’t”

                … but he does imply that electing Hillary is LESS horrible, which is fucking absurd.

                1. The closest thing to a plausible case for Billary I’ve seen is just this: at least She represents the status quo of politics. The devil you know.

                  Since that’s actually fucking insane (the status quo sucks!), and the other guy will ne’er, ever get my vote, I guess I’ll be throwing away my vote again.

            2. Imagine if Bernie somehow grabs the nomination. Reason would go into full Team Blue mode with an occasional article about how his economics are bad but Congress will restrain him there.

              1. These arguments all rely on Bernie winning but having weak coat-tails. I’d assume if he won, he’d take Congress.

            3. Yes, it is.

              Trump is a reaction to the race-baiting, politically correct, pandering of Democrats. Trump’s popularity is a Democrat creation.

        2. So are the platforms of the TEAM BLUE candidates.

          Right, and criticizing Trump means supporting TEAM BLUE. /Trumptard

          1. I never said that, Berntard.

            1. There are plenty who do say that, and I’M NOT A MOTHERFUCKING BERTARD, TRUMPTARD GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH WARTY’S DICK, YOU PIECE OF RANCID SHIT!!!!!!.

              1. Did you start drinking early? Have some class.

                1. Pro tip: if someone takes the time and effort to insert html tags into the middle of an all caps rant, they’re probably not being serious, and are making a joke.

              2. Cogent argument, well thought out. Best we can expect from an actual retard, I suppose.

                1. See above. Christ, everyone takes themselves way too seriously when the subject Trump comes up.

              3. Well this escalated quickly…

      2. Y U NO LIEK WITE POEPEL U R TRATIR 2 UR RACE

        1. You know, I’m getting a little concerned for you X. I think the speech patterns are starting to stick.

          1. I AINT SCURRT

            1. Need MOAR WHYCOME!

              1. I actually used that word on a teleconference.

                You people are going to get me fired someday.

      3. 95% of Obama’s presidency has been toxic bile supported by an angry and befuddled black underclass.

        So it probably shouldn’t be too much surprise that it has created this of reaction. It was almost inevitable.

    4. Fascists are just an ill-defined subset of collectivists, who are the so-called civilized subset of statists, as opposed to your ordinary absolute monarch or dictator-for-life.

      1. Why, tyranny of the majority is barely tyranny a ‘tall!

    5. Trumpism lacks a coherent political philosophy; Trump changes his views more often than he changes shirts, and his supporters simply don’t care.

      Sounds like “cult of personality”, not fascism.

      Rather, his popularity is built on the appeal of (1) a strong man

      As opposed to who, exactly? The other major party candidate who can’t stop talking about “fighting” for her constituents?

      who (2) endorses mob violence

      As opposed to the other major party, which actually engages in mob violence (through surrogates like unions and “activist” groups)?

      and who (3) promises to restore a nation to greatness

      OK, nobody thinks the other major party is interested in that. So there’s one.

      by (4) being tough,

      Redundant with (1).

      (5) demonizing minorities,

      Even granting this, I can think of another major party that spends a lot of time demonizing white people and white men in particular.

      and (6) erecting barriers to stop the free movement of both people and goods.

      Not to be confused with both major parties, which support erecting huge bureacracies and multi-thousand page documents controlling the movement of goods. But no, those aren’t “barriers” at all.

      Trump’s supporters have a disturbing tendency toward racism and anti-Semitism.

      The anti-semites these days are mostly on the hard left, you know. Which also sports no shortage of racists by any definition but their own.

      1. I’m so sick of the “yeah, but THEM!” arguments that aren’t.

        1. I’m pretty sick of “Only that guy!” arguments that aren’t, myself.

      2. Careful RC, pointing out those things will get you labeled a Trumptard. Because it’s much worse when Trump does things the other candidates do and have done, because TRUMP!

      3. This is a good summary of Trump’s appeal. It is quite simply the pendulum swinging away from the awful Democrats.

      4. and (6) erecting barriers to stop the free movement of both people and goods.

        There is also a camp of Trump supporters that think he may threaten such barriers to get better trade deals.

        This is a freer trade argument for Trump.

        Now, personally, I have doubts about him believing that. Telling is when he said he has lots of experience negotiating “against China.” Normally, if you’re into win-win expand the pie, you use with, not against. That sounds very zero-sum.

      5. “Sounds like “cult of personality”, not fascism.”

        Hitler, Mussolini and the Perons were personality cult leaders as well as fascists. While technically, economic fascism does not require a personality cult, if you look at American fascists like Huey Long, FDR and Trump they all had cult-like followers. They were [are] surrounded by lackeys and no one can criticize them or give them advice without suffering ostracism or worse. Worse being something along the lines of “Night of the Long Knives”.

        A personality cult isn’t necessary for a fascist leader but it’s very, very helpful.

        1. It’s a amazing how flexible the definition of “fascism” is.

    6. Well, you talk like a fag and your shit’s all retarded. Guess what? The wall just got ten feet higher! HUE HUE HUE.

      1. MUH HATERZ R MUH MOTEVATERS

      2. A HYUK A HYUK A HURR HURR HURR HURR

      3. I hope you gentlemen understand that there are intelligent Trump supporters, and they’re generally higher income.

        1. I’m sure there are some very cynical and intelligent cronies who think they will profit from a Trump presidency.

        2. Sometimes being intelligent just makes it easier for people to talk themselves into believing some really stupid shit.

          1. Oh that comment gave me a warm fuzzy feeling.

    7. Unfortunately, “intellectualism” itself is a term that has been twisted out of any viable meaning. Where I think it’s fair to cite Trump and his supporters as dismissive of the notion of reasoned, substantive debates, I think much the same could be said of Trump’s opponents on the left, including those in academia (“mansplaining”, anyone?). On the other hand, if you’re talking about intellectualism in its current vogue as deference to academic authority, I’d say that one is just about as poisonous as anything the Trump campaign in pushing.

    8. Actually not well said, that definition of fascism is pretty weak.

  3. “There needs to be a separation between those who put stock in personal character and truthfulness and those who do not; between those who babble inanities and those who insist on intellectual rigor; between those who lack simple decency and respect for fellow Americans and those who believe our political system must function without threat of violence, bigoted slurs and lies. The dividing line is now crystal clear. To one side stands an angry nativist mob and to the other men and women of decent character and honorable purpose. Choose sides. You cannot be in both camps.”

    Perhaps, but we’re obligated to listen to Trump’s anti-philosophical supporters because they’re LOUD AND ANGRY, and refusing to oblige them means you despise poor white people or something equally unserious.

    1. From my viewpoint, there are two sides that look identical to each other, and a small number of outsiders who are just gonna get fucked by both sides.

      We are the Remnants in the Isaiah reference.

      1. We are the Remnants in the Isaiah reference.

        My thought exactly.

    2. I pity Trump supporters, and sympathize with their efforts to save the GOP from antichoice prohibitionists that have controlled it since 1928. But like so many faithful fanatics on the other side of the world, they’re just gonna have to go. The Libertarian party makes a better case for freedom and converts spoiler votes into repeal and lower taxes.

  4. No matter who wins in November, principled, small-government Republicans will lose. The only question is whether the party will give them a reason to rebuild the GOP?or abandon it for good.

    Trump may yet win them?and libertarians and other individualists, for that matter?back over if he announces a sane, small-government administration and SCOTUS pick. But he has to earn those votes, especially after spending months abusing and scapegoating conservatives for his own serious flaws as a candidate. This idea that he deserves them by dint of being Not Hillary is crass and absurd and certainly doesn’t redound to Trump’s credibility.

    1. Who in their right mind would believe anything orange says now? The only hope for winning those over is the anti-hillary vote.

      1. Bookies over at oddschecker.com are calculating a 300% advantage for Hillary. They’ve probably read the Democrat abortion plank and know actuarial math. They are laying 2 to 1 odds Trump loses. All the GOP jerks over here whooping and dinning ignorance would be over there betting if they were not themselves certain their party is about to get bitch-slapped again.

    2. I preserve in my own mind a tiny, tiny chance that I will vote for Trump after hearing what he says in general election mode; but boy, after all the illiberal things he has said so far, it would have to be one hell of a general election mode and I might have to be concussed at some point.

    3. if he announces a sane, small-government administration and SCOTUS pick.

      And if monkeys fly out my butt…

  5. Excellent. People say Trump over Hillary because of the Supreme Court. However Trump only cares about the Second Amendment. At least Hillary will pay lip service to the Constitution. Either way it’s a disaster, but Trump is much worse.

    1. Your trolling fits right in on this issue.

      1. Thanks – ‘trolling’ will be a crime under Christie’s nationalized ‘cyber bullying’ legislation.

        “He was trolling us online, Mr Trump!”
        “Yes I seen him bully us and gang up on us with multiple sockpuppets, Mr Trump!”

        1. Welcome to Retardation: A Celebration. Now, hopefully, I’m gonna dispel a few myths, a few rumors. First off, the retarded don’t rule the night. They don’t rule it. Nobody does. And they don’t run in packs. And while they may not be as strong as apes, don’t lock eyes with ’em, don’t do it. Puts ’em on edge. They might go into berzerker mode; come at you like a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. You might be screaming “No, no, no” and all they hear is “Who wants cake?” Let me tell you something: They all do. They all want cake.

    2. On the Constitution, both are useless and only pay attention to what they want at the moment.

      I see the primary difference being which way Congress goes. Same party as the President is far worse than opposite parties.

    3. At least Hillary will pay lip service to the Constitution

      What lip service? She wants to overturn Citizens United. She literally wants to make it illegal to criticize her.

      1. Trump wants to overturn Citizens United. He literally wants to make it illegal to criticize him.

        1. That doesn’t exactly make him stand out from the Democrats, the frontrunner for whom was the actual subject of the Citizens United case.

        2. 1. What Trump will or will not do remains as imprecise as ever

          2. The movie that spawned Citizens United was about Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump

        3. Trump wants to overturn Citizens United.

          Ima need a linky for that.

          He literally wants to make it illegal to criticize him.

          What Trump has actually proposed is a minor change to the burden of proof when a public person sues for defamation.

    4. Trump […] cares about the Second Amendment

      Citation needed.

      1. Here you go. I just learned he actually has a CCW.

        http://www.ontheissues.org/Cel…..ontrol.htm

        1. Did you even read item #1 on that list. Just hope they never deem you and “enemy of the state.”

          1. I did – also noted it’s 16 years old but was too lazy to open the next link in the search engine.

            1. The watch list item was six months ago. The 16 yo item is Trump pronouncing himself a third-wayer on gun control.

              Trump is very big on watch lists. His public persona is incredibly paranoid.

        2. Trump says the right thing about the 2nd right now, but he has “evolved” on guns.

          So, just like everything else, Trump will say anything to get support.

          1. Then let’s get hi some support, so he’ll say what we like.

  6. My buddy’s step-mother makes $85 an hour on the laptop . She has been fired for 9 months but last month her payment was $14465 just working on the laptop for a few hours.U1 .

    ==== http://www.PayAbility.TK

  7. Related: another NYT DNC propaganda story debunked

    http://hotair.com/archives/201…..gentleman/

    1. Brewer Lane went on to say she “did not have a negative experience”

      I find that difficult to believe.

      “Look at that face, would anyone have sex with that? Can you imagine that, the face of your next lover?”

  8. Yet a lot of Republican leaders are reconciling themselves to Trump

    Rs and Ds would put their party above all else?

    Shocked, I is!

  9. Jesus. I don’t care how good your argument is, never ever support the point you’re making with Jennifer Rubin.

    1. That stood out to me, as well. If you’re citing Jennifer Rubin as a bastion of principled conservatism, you’re already going down a dead end.

      1. It could also be “Hey, look… even this idiot gets it.”

        1. I’d like to think so, but it doesn’t much sound like it from “Another conservative, the Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin, laid out the principled one with bracing clarity…”.

  10. So as soon as Hillary wraps it up, are we going to get a steady stream of articles on her corruption, bad policies, and general incompetence?

    1. What difference, at this point, does it make?

    2. That won’t get you invited to the cocktail party.

    3. I doubt it. Why hold off on those until she wraps it up?

      The appalling lack of investigation into the actual Clinton Foundation should be a source of shame to Reason writers. Here’s what we know:

      (1) This charitable foundation gave $2mm to a for-profit company to keep it afloat. Most charities would lose their tax exempt status for that.

      (2) This foundation has never, to my knowledge, filed a full set of tax returns. What have they filed, were they complete, and what did they show?

      (3) What has this foundation actually done with its money? What percentage of donations go to actual charitable causes, and how successful has it been?

      (4) This foundation was supposed to be completely transparent as to its donors. We know it hasn’t been. Why haven’t there been repercussions?

      1. We already know the answer to #3 – where does anyone think the Clintons got all their wealth? It’s not exactly a secret that the foundation is just a slush fund for the Clintons, but the media are oddly incurious about it.

        1. I expect nothing better of the DemOp Media.

          I had higher hopes for Reason.

      2. Once the Clinton Cash documentary goes into wider release, a lot of this will get publicized.

  11. Another conservative, the Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin, laid out the principled one with bracing clarity: “There needs to be a separation between those who put stock in personal character and truthfulness and those who do not; between those who babble inanities and those who insist on intellectual rigor; between those who lack simple decency and respect for fellow Americans and those who believe our political system must function without threat of violence, bigoted slurs and lies.

    1. Either side against Trump or you’re an ignorant hillbilly.

      You know what? Fine: I’m an ignorant hillbilly if it means I don’t have to be on the same side as Jennifer Rubin, who rips the Pauls every other week.

    2. I’m not giving them my email so I can’t read it.

      Is Rubin suggesting that either of Trump’s potential general election opponents has “intellectual rigor”, and isn’t a race-baiting slaver? Or is she advocating third party voting?

      Or is she just a DC insider having a hissy fit?

      1. Or is she just a DC insider having a hissy fit?

        I’m gonna go with that one, given her history.

      2. The Districters are really having a collective meltdown.

  12. Well, given the last line, President Trump might perhaps send small-government Republicans to a party which has, at the very least, not gained electoral victory by promising to shrink government, and then failed to so much as attempt it.

    Which might perhaps be a good thing all around.

    1. A big split in the Republican Party would be great. Hopefully the real conservatives – not the above-mentioned promisers who never deliver – could create an American Conservative Party that campaigns, legislates, and governs on small-government principles.

      The not-conservative GOP can drift left with Trump into the slot the Democrats occupied in the 1980’s. The Democrats can continue drifting left into complete irrelevancy.

      1. The sort of irrelevancy that’s going to predominate national politics for at least a generation.

        1. Only if the Republicans (either flavor) don’t have the guts to slap down the bureaucrats. The Democrats are losing their relevancy at the state level and have no chance of regaining the House.

          1. What have they been doing this past 15+ months? The American people handed them a mandate with icing on a silver platter. And they’ve done nothing of consequence.

            1. That’s how you end up with a Trump.

              1. I thought you got a trump from having unprotected sex with Mexican hookers.

              2. Precisely.

      2. I was rather thinking of their joining with libertarians . . .

      3. an American Conservative Party that campaigns, legislates, and governs on small-government principles

        …and loses.

  13. People like Rubin have been looking down their noses at the commoners for decades. This just crystallizes what those of us out here in the hinterlands know: Rome Delenda Est.

    1. You’ll like this.

      They are so angry at people like you? and so resentful of how they feel they have been treated by the educated elites of this country that they are intentionally supporting a man they perceive as a ruthless thug, hoping to turn him loose on you. Donald Trump is being nominated as a great big “Fuck You!” to leftists like you for your ruthless and tyrannical imposition of your aberrant values and failed policies on America and to conservatives and Republicans like me for failing to stop you. The peasants are in open, and thoroughly irrational, revolt.

      http://neveryetmelted.com/2016…..revoltion/

      1. U TLAK LIEK FAGGIT W/ THUM BIG WORDS

        1. DEMOCRAPS R DUMMB! WE MUST BE DUMBERER!

          1. ITS BOUT TO GET ALL STUPID UP IN HERE

            1. Lemme tell you dis?der ain’t no way fer ter make tattlers en tailb’arers turn out good. No, dey ain’t. I bin mixin’ up wid fokes now gwine on eighty year, en I ain’t seed no tattler come ter no good een.

          2. Don’t pretend anyone lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the electorate.

      2. I’m not entirely clear on how a revolt against “ftists like you for your ruthless and tyrannical imposition of your aberrant values and failed policies on America and to conservatives and Republicans like me for failing to stop you” is “irrational”.

        1. Revolting isn’t necessarily irrational, but choosing Trump as standard-bearer is another matter.

      3. Well-observed. They might be voting libertarian, but Tricky Dick Nixon amended the IRS code within 24 hours to bribe the media to ignore small parties, and subsidize entrenched looters with extorted cash. I will laugh all the way to the polls to cast my libertarian vote in both their faces!

  14. RE: Republicans Face a Choice: Lose With Trump, Lose Without Him
    America needs its Isaiahs

    Yes, Trump the Grump will lose to Heil Hitlery.
    If you liked Obama, you’ll love Heil Hitlery.
    The socialist slavers will enslave us all at warp speed.
    Let the gulags open!

  15. OK. I agree. Trump is awful. What is the alternative?

    1. Giving neither him nor Hillary your vote.

      1. That’s my plan.

      2. That is my plan as well. Never the less, one of them is going to be elected. This article, and others like it, imply that Trump is horrible, with nary a mention of the equally horrible other possibility. Given the choice, I think Trump is preferable.

        1. I agree that Hillary may well be even more horrible than Trump.

          But, I’m a Republican. And a libertarian.

          For that reason, as much as I won’t vote for either of them, I’d probably rather see Clinton win than Trump.

          If Clinton wins, this whole episode can be put behind us. Libertarians and conservatives can rally the GOP against her agenda. We can work on rebuilding a Republican party actually committed to limited, Constitutional, government.

          If Trump wins, it’s his party. For the next four years. He sets the agenda. He defines the policy. You might see an occasional pang of principle. But, the bulk of the party will become the Trump party.

          And the Democrats will be all too happy to go along with the statism.

          1. ha ha ha.

            “rally”ing the GOP against an agenda is what the GOP was handed mandates for in 2010 and 2014.

            Please stop telling, “oh but next time it will be different!!”

            that’s right, it will be different, because no one’s falling for that old line any more.

          2. “If Clinton wins, this whole episode can be put behind us. Libertarians and conservatives can rally the GOP against her agenda. We can work on rebuilding a Republican party actually committed to limited, Constitutional, government.”

            um…yeh…..weren’t people saying that 8 years ago?. Then again 4 years ago?

            How’s that working it?

          3. I won’t hold my breath while i wait for republicans in Congress to do their job.

    2. One of the third party candidates? Write in a name, any name? Write in “None of the above”? Don’t vote? The only thing limiting your alternatives is your imagination, broseph.

      1. Unpossible, you have to vote for douche or turd. Vote, or DIE!

        1. DEAD RACCOON ’16!

          1. Thank you – it is always heartening to see a person actually learning something and changing his position accordingly. All too depressingly rare in connection with politics.

      2. So if voting doesn’t make a difference, why do you care what people do with it so much?

        1. Since when does mockery require caring?

        2. If you were only voting for Trump to be your president, I wouldn’t give a shit.

          Voting for the slightly smaller pile of crap is what got us in the problem in the first place.

          1. but you already said my vote doesn’t matter, dude. pay attention. are you saying it does now?

            1. I never said your vote didn’t matter. I said you weren’t very bright. Do try and keep up.

              1. Citizen X is the original one who said that your vote didn’t matter.

                so you’re saying it does matter, which is good! that’s a good start.

      3. The case for voting libertarian is that we repeal the laws brought in by idiots who voted communist and prohibitionist. Plus, we have more spoiler votes than they did, and our party is growing–not shrinking like every parti with a christianofascist agenda.

    3. The alternative is to be the voice of reason within your family and social circles. Voting is not the sum total of your civic duty.

    4. Zombie Ben Franklin?

      Or Chtulu.

    5. Calvin Coolidge

  16. Libertarians face a choice: Lose with Darryl Perry, Lose without him.

    …Love that guy.

    1. Darryl’s a good candidate. I’ll send him money if he’s nominated.

  17. There will be fewer Hillarybots than Trumpbots, and that’s good enough for me. I can’t abide any more of the mindless leading of cheer, and the country can’t take another cult of personality.

    1. No shit, it’s gotten to the point you can’t even joke around on H&R without some braindead cultist going into hysterics.

    2. the country can’t take another cult of personality

      And yet, that’s exactly what we have.

    3. Scott Adams over at Dilbert observed: “Most Trump supporters are trying to elect a hand grenade to lob into Congress. No one is trying to put lipstick on the hand grenade before throwing it.”

  18. In exchange for Trump’s tax returns I would like to see Obama’s college applications. Not his grades, I don’t give the first fuck about his grades. I want to see his applications for admission.

    1. Two thoughts:

      (1) Trump should ask about the Clinton Foundation’s tax returns. Maybe even say that when those have been filed and accepted as complete by the IRS, he’ll release his. Its a safe bet – the Clintons will never file complete returns for their foundation.

      (2) The real action will be on the medical records. Set Hillary up on this one: Release yours to a third party to hold in escrow, with instructions to release them to the public when they get a comparable set from Hillary for simultaneous release.

      1. I like your ideas on this. I have little doubt that Trump is going to roast Clinton from now through November, and your suggestions would be a nice start.

        The NYT article on “Trump’s chauvinism”, and the supposed victim’s response to said chauvinism can easily be veered to a discussion of Bill Clinton’s shenanigans and Hillary’s thuggish intimidation of multiple women. The Democrats are endlessly fascinated with how terribly women are treated. It’s only fair that Hillary’s mistreatment of multiple sexual assault victims be discussed. Endlessly.

        I really would like to see Obama’s applications for admission to Columbia and Harvard, though.

        1. I really would like to see Obama’s applications for admission to Columbia and Harvard, though.

          I’d bet real, cash money that he listed himself as a Kenyan to get preferences, and that’s why its all been kept buried.

          1. I agree.

            I too would put my cash on the line that he listed his birth place as Kenya. His literary biography listed his birth place as Kenya, and remained unchanged for 16 years. Then, just before the presidential election, he noticed that he had misspelled “Honolulu” as “Kenya”. A simple mistake that anybody might have made..

            1. Even a substitute teacher/constitutional law professor/community organizer?

      2. Or, challenge Hillary to a competitive health check up. An independent panel of doctors gives them both a checkup, with the results publicized.

        Or heck, just insist that their debate stage be up a flight of stairs. Trump would sprint up, and I wonder if Hillary can get up without help.

        1. The second one is nice. You could set her up for it by saying “we want you both to walk through and work the crowd a little on the way to the stage. Good campaign optics for the broadcast.”

        2. this is sounding more and more like how the president is picked in the movie Idiocracy. I’m okay with that.

        3. Have you ever noticed the disappearance of guinea pigs? Seems like whenever Trump visits a city, the local Pet Smart has no guinea pigs.

          One day, they’re in their guinea pig cages, doing their guinea pig thing, minding their guinea pig business, running in their guinea pig wheels and poof! Gone.

          It’s really weird (toupee) . . .

  19. Fascist. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    FFS…..read a dictionary already. Or at least Wikipedia if you don’t know what a dictionary is.

    Trump can be called many things, but he’s a good bit further away from fascism than our current POTUS. Heck, if you knew any history at all, half of our Presidents would be considered uber-Hitlers relative to Trump’s platform.

    1. Yeah, I disagreed with the author when he said Obama wasn’t a fascist.

    2. Yeah, what’s a YUUUGE wall compared to an internment camp?

  20. More cosmotarian gnashing of the teeth against Trump.

    1. More whining by Trump fans that Reason isn’t a safe space for their feelz.

      1. I doubt anyone’s feelz are maligned by the sort of senseless hyperbole in this article. It’s funny, not offensive.

        1. Yes, “why won’t you leave Daddy Trump ALONE?!?!?” is not about feelz at all.

          1. It’s more about cosmo-tards doing a disservice to Libertarianism by continually parroting the kind of sloppy rhetoric the above article does.

            1. If you think Trump has a libertarian bone in his body, the cosmos aren’t the tards in this conversation.

              1. no one’s saying that he has one, but you don’t have to write like a Buzzfeed or Jezebel editor when criticizing him, either.

                Trump’s allegedly so embarrassing that the Districters feel the need to go on months-long name-calling tantrums which proves…how bad Trump is, somehow?

                1. no one’s saying that he has one, but you don’t have to write like a Buzzfeed or Jezebel editor when criticizing him, either.

                  Trump’s allegedly so embarrassing that the Districters feel the need to go on months-long name-calling tantrums which proves…how bad Trump is, somehow?

                  This.

                2. but you don’t have to write like a Buzzfeed or Jezebel editor when criticizing him, either.

                  Which Hinckle hasn’t done here. But you guys would whine about Trump criticism no matter where it came from or what form it took.

                  Just because you refuse to accept criticism about Trump doesn’t mean that criticism is somehow not being made. You guys have become Obamabots.

                  1. no, he just wrote like Trump is going to cause the Eschaton. Either way, it’s completely irrational. he’s endorsing rhetoric like Rubin’s that basically says the War between Good and Evil is on, and you must choose sides! The Dark versus the Light! Armageddon!

                    GET A FUCKING GRIP

                3. but you don’t have to write like a Buzzfeed or Jezebel editor when criticizing him, either.

                  Oh, you’re absolutely right.

                  If, of course, you define “writing like Buzzfeed or Jezebel” to mean any criticism you happen to disagree with.

                  1. That’s not how I am defining it.

                    Read this article again: Hinkle endorses the viewpoint that this is a battle of good versus evil.

                    That’s first order, tinfoil hat derangement.

                    1. We’re going to ride this one out with Trump, I presume…

                      There’s too much money to be made off Trump, than Hillary.

                    2. Yeah, I’ve just read it for the THIRD time and can only conclude that you are posting in the wrong thread.

                      This was a very well written piece.

                  2. One antichoice fascist writes an article. Another one rushes in to sniff the offal and praise it… and you want in the middle of this? The whole point of these illiterate creeps barging in here is to recruit morons for the mixed-economy looter campaigns. Better to cast LP spoiler votes that force them to repeal prohibitions and taxes.

      2. You’re either with The Donald, or you’re against The Donald a COZMOTARIAN COCKTALE DRINKIN FAGGIT CUCK!

      3. come on man, you have to think that things have gotten excessive, right? would you even want to count the number of Trump articles Reason has published in the last week? month? quarter? It’s at least…three a day, I bet.

        1. WHYS THEM CUCKS AINT ATTACK HILARY

          1. Trump articles hurt his feelings. Respeck his feelings, cucker.

            1. I am disappoint.

              I always thought this was a place for cynicism and folly, but you honestly think you’re on the Side of Light, beating back the Dark Trump and his army of Clones.

              1. A number Reason’s writers might as well be writing for National Review at this point.

                1. *A number of

  21. The perfect Reason article would be how Trump is becoming transgender and which bathroom he’ll use before being sold off into the sex trade.

    1. I saw you at the Shoreline. You opened for the Bloody Quakers.

      Damn, those were good times.

  22. I think it’s increasingly funny to see the assumption that of course Trump can’t win. You know, the way that of course he could not win the GOP nomination. But recent polls show him tied in battleground states and even leading Hillary in New York. Remember, NY is one of the states that Hillary will win, of course. It’s an electoral lock for Democrats!

    One of the upsides of President Trump will be all the pundit heads that explode.

    1. “One of the upsides of President Trump will be all the pundit heads that explode.”

      That will be delightful!

      1. Not to mention all the celebs who will have to move to Canada.

    2. Trump has nowhere to go but up, and Hillary is likely to go down?esp. as she continues to scorn the Bernouts (see what happened in NV yesterday).

      1. Can we please avoid any discussion of Hillary going down? I really would like to avoid that imagery.

    3. Trump is going to win.

      And the silver lining is that Cytotoxic is going to sully his diaper.

    4. Trump’s party wants to force women to reproduce against their will. Women, like every sentient creature, resent being coerced. Canada has no abortion laws whatsoever, and people flock to apply for immigration there–many of them from Republican countries that sentence women to death coathangers and victimless “criminals” to execution–like George Bush advocated every time he opened his mouth in 1989.

      1. Someone wants to outlaw contraception?!?

  23. U.S. immigration policy has always been exclusionary. No one says a peep until Donald Trump says what everyone is thinking; that why did we stop a good practice just for Muslims and the hodge podge coming across our borders? Then leftists and libertarians turn into howler monkeys.
    Well, make them all your neighbors. It you try to shame me with fascist talk for not wanting to take an indentifiable, valid, provable risk, then you can go make babies with yourself. There’s no sense having any more conversation on it.

    1. Yeah, I mean, 99% of people that work for me are immigrants; and it’s nice to know they work for cheaper rates than citizens; proving that we as a country can be even more productive with our time… wait, are you trying to tell me this is good or bad?

    2. Fascism is a heavily-mixed-economy-government that enforces religious laws. It’s what Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Hillary, Obama, Carter, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bin Ladin, Saddam Hussein, Tony Blair partisans advocate.
      Having tried the alternatives, I vote libertarian, and my spoiler vote repeals ten times the idiot laws.

      1. Fascists care nothing for religion unless it can be used to enhance their own power. Pretty much like every other authoritarian government that ever existed.

  24. The constant wailing is getting tiresome, particularly when it completely abandons reality. Trump and Hillary both suck, but the endless hair pulling over Trump is starting to read like battlespace preparation for Hillary. Has Reason decided to go Hill? FFS.

    Bret Stephens as quoted here “Conservatives can survive liberal administrations, especially those whose predictable failures lead to healthy restorations?think Carter, then Reagan. What isn’t survivable is a Republican president who is part Know Nothing, part Smoot-Hawley and part John Birch. The stain of a Trump administration would cripple the conservative cause for a generation.”
    So….Where has Stephens been the last 8 years? Obama is worse than Carter on most counts, but yet ‘Trump’. Doesn’t this utterly invalidate his overwrought statement?

    Trumps a fascist. Yeh. Last 8 years again? under a rock? We have an executive overruling the law of the land and using racialist politics to sow division. Anyone doubt BLM isn’t coordinated?

    Enough already.

    1. Fascist: he who advocates a heavily-mixed-economy-government that enforces religious laws. syn. Republican, Tea, Prohi, Constitution party infiltrator

      1. Sounds like the Progressive theocracy to me.

      2. That isn’t the actual definition of fascist. No where is fascism defined by “religious laws”.
        “heavily-mixed-economy-government” is a nonsensical phrase. WTF are you smoking?

        A real definition would be closer to…. Fascism is the totalitarian control of the economy, using severe nationalism and divisive politics around class/race/ethnic lines to stifle opposition. Or you could just consult a dictionary FFS. idiot

    2. The whole bit about the GOP “surviving” a bad campaign for POTUS…uh, Goldwater? The GOP gets creamed nationally, Great Society + Vietnam war, then the Republicans come back with…Nixon? Then Watergate, Ford, WIN buttons, Carter, malaise. People talk today like Goldwater set it up for Reagan, but where’s the evidence for causation?

      OK, but now supposed Republicans had voted against Nixon in 1968. Or 1972. Any reason to think outcomes would’ve been better?

      AFAICT, each election’s an independent event. Seems to me both short & long term will be better with Trump elected than HillaryBiden.

  25. Recent tweet by Nassim Taleb puts various shit in perspective:

    http://twitter.com/nntaleb/sta…..6459278336

    1. Nassim Taleb might be even more egotistical, petty and easily butthurt than Trump.

  26. Everyone here all cheering for Trump… He’s going to win and end up doing something real gay, and then they’re going to resort to a non-libertarian defense to back up Trump on a libertarian site… and you guys are going to feel that gay shame upon yourselves.

    1. *you’re going to resort

    2. Oh yeah?? Well, you’re so girl-wearing-a-skirt-as-a-top!

      (Cute jeans doe)

    3. Lol. Libertarians will have a much easier time keeping a Trump presidency in check than they ever will a Hillary presidency. They might at least enjoy a marriage of convenience again with segments of the Left that claim to care about privacy and noninterventionism (notice how conspicuously absent they became under Obama’s emperorship).

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  28. America confronts two disturbing prospects. The first is that Hillary Clinton will beat Donald Trump in November. The second, even more alarming, is that she won’t.”

    Oh, HELL no. I’m not enchanted with the idea of a Trump Administration, but the thought of Her Imperial Highness Hillary I in the Imperial Mansion scares the absolute bejeebus out of me. Sometimes bad is vastly preferable to worst.

    1. I tell my friends and family that I’m not voting for trump, I’m voting against Hillary. Trump may be screwy and say a lot of things but Hillary will get things done, things we don’t want to happen.

      1. maybe if i was a libertarian, i’d understand that kind of thinking better, but i honestly don’t get it.

        the idea that supporting someone who is even a little screwy on the off chance they don’t burn down the country strikes me as more of a risk any day of the weak.

  29. Fascism is a heavily-mixed-economy-government that enforces religious laws. Only religious fanatics are unable to focus on the fact. This infection spread from the Prohibition Party to God’s Own Prohibitionists when Mussolini and The Pope whiled away the hours drawing up treaties.

  30. The cry of the Cucks – losing is noble, losing is pure, losing is winning.

    How exactly do they think they’re going to win later when they couldn’t beat Trump in their own party, they’re doing their best to betray Trump supporters in the party this time around, and Hillary is going to christen net millions more imported voters for Progressive statism?

    2016 is the last chance to avoid a permanent electoral majority for the progressive one-party state. But if you’re hooked on losing, I guess you’re not really interested in avoiding that.

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