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Cuba

Kim Kardashian Loves Cuba! "Like We Stepped Back into a Different Time Period"

Reality TV star apparently unfazed by mass misery and decaying infrastructure.

Nick Gillespie | 5.13.2016 2:41 PM

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So over Mother's Day weekend, the reality TV star Kim Kardashian West took a trip to, among other places, Cuba, the open-air prison that's been run by the Castro brothers for the past 57 years. Here's her take, via Twitter:

I love Cuba! One of our best trips! We felt like we stepped back into a different time period.Can't wait to go back. pic.twitter.com/BKGaMtPlJk

— Kim Kardashian West (@KimKardashian) May 7, 2016

To her credit (or perhaps Twitter's 140-character limit), at least she didn't wax eloquently about the abundant poverty in Cuba and fret over how normalized trade will "ruin" it by replacing a very "authentic atmosphere" (read: poverty) with, you know, new cars and Starbucks. That's complaint is a stock in trade not just for lefty celebs and journos but even folks such as Fox News anchor Shep Smith, who said in 2014, "The last thing they need is a Taco Bell and a Lowe's."

Twitter

Yeah, no. Earlier this year, Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes this website, put together a travel group that visited Havana and the surrounding area. Sen. Jeff Flake, the Arizona Republican who has pushed for normalizing relations and ending the travel ban and embargo with Cuba since first arriving in D.C. in 2001, was among the group. In an interview in Havana, he was (rightly) less interested with Cuba's supposed authenticity than with massive restrictions of its citizens' rights to free expression and assembly, not to mention travel and ownership.

From that interview:

Reason: Why is Cuba poor, especially if it can trade with the world?

Flake: Cuba is poor because they have a bankrupt socialist system here. Full stop.

I think we Americans should come here now to help the people through trade and travel and that those things will nudge Cuba in a more-free direction. But I've also always felt that Americans need to see what happens when government controls not just the commanding heights of the economy, but the entire economy. It's a sobering experience.

I was in Poland several years ago, and Lech Walesa was there. All of the sudden, just out of the blue, he brought up Cuba. And he said, "I have no idea why you guys have a museum of socialism 90 miles from your shore and you won't let anybody visit it." He found it unbelievable that we would deny Americans that wake-up call.

Some people will come here—the Kevin Costners, the Oliver Stones—and laud Fidel Castro for the successes of the Cuban revolution. I've always thought if you let Bob from Peoria come down here, he'll say, "This is a mess!" Ordinary Americans will say, "This doesn't work. Why would I want to nudge our country more in this direction of government control of the economy?"

And so it's been kind of a dual reason for me to push for Americans to come here. Cubans will tout their three successes: healthcare, education, and science. I think Americans would come down here and see the three failures of socialism: breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The more people who can come here and see that, the better it is for Cubans and Americans.

Read the whole thing here.

We landed in Havana just as the Flint, Michigan water crisis was hitting the news. Did you know that everybody in Havana drinks bottled water all the time because the infrastructure hasn't been upgraded in decades? The average public-sector worker makes about $20 a month and buildings are literally failing apart from disrepair. Even the private-sector restaurants, who can afford to pay more for supplies, don't have a reliable supply chain (and they operate under constant threats of crackdowns from the government). Contra Shep Smith, Cubans would really benefit from a Taco Bell and a Lowe's.

I agree with Kim Kardashian on at least two points: Cuba is really lovely and I'm looking forward to going back, too. Especially after trade barriers have really been lifted and the Castro years are fully in the rear-view mirror not of a quaint old 1950s DeSoto but of a brand-new Toyota Prius or Chevy Volt. I don't want to step back into a "different time period," especially one that is relatively poor and unfree. I'd rather step forward into what Cuba looks like in its post-Castro era, when its future is brighter than the rising sun.

As Flake put it, Cuba is poor because of its political system. Cubans can in fact trade with every country in the world except for the United States. Castro-style socialism and authoritarianism keeps it poor because that serves the interests of the ruling elite. The people we met had an immense amount of national pride, were entrepreneurial, energetic, and friendly. When they are finally allowed the freedom to create their own businesses and live their lives the way they want to, Cuba will flourish. And yes, it will look more like other parts of Caribbean, including the U.S. But it will retain unique elements, too. The people leading all of that will be Cubans, mindful not just of their own heritage but also what they want for themselves.

Here's Reason's aggregated Cuba coverage.

The June issue of Reason (Tattoos vs. the State) features Matt Welch's reflections on the Reason trip and a great Peter Bagge cartoon essay about the experience. Subscribe now to read it all RIGHT NOW online for just $15!

In 2013, Jay Z and Beyonce took a highly publicized trip to Cuba. Remy went along for the ride.

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  1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    "the three failures of socialism: breakfast, lunch, and dinner."

    Ouch!

  2. Florida Hipster   9 years ago

    Please stop covering idiot celebrities.

    1. Long Woodchippers   9 years ago

      They weren't covering the idiot - just using her idiocy to point out a truth.

    2. Tonio   9 years ago

      I hear what you're saying, but since the general public seems to think celebrities have special insight it's useful to know what the low-information crowd has heard so that you can tailor specific rebuttals.

      1. Florida Hipster   9 years ago

        The low info crowd ain't readin' reason, dawg.

      2. Tonio   9 years ago

        No, they don't. But we exist in the same world as they do. Libertarianism is not going to get anywhere if we just stay here and yell at each other about minutiae. Libertarianism needs, dare I say it, evangelists.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

          Libertarianism needs, dare I say it, evangelists.

          What are the Kochs, chopped liver?

      3. Billy Bones   9 years ago

        That's why I liked Sen. Flake's point, "Some people will come here?the Kevin Costners, the Oliver Stones?and laud Fidel Castro for the successes of the Cuban revolution. I've always thought if you let Bob from Peoria come down here, he'll say, "This is a mess!" Ordinary Americans will say, "This doesn't work. Why would I want to nudge our country more in this direction of government control of the economy?" Celebrities are so out of touch with reality (which is probably why they work in fantasyland), normal Americans don't get a real accounting of how horrible conditions are there.

        And I, too, cannot wait to go and actually visit the country. I was there once but only got to see the shittiest of rat hole of places, Gitmo.

  3. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

    I would definitely want Kim Kardashian to endorse my worst enemy.

  4. mtrueman   9 years ago

    I prefer China myself, though I understand Haiti is the politically correct Caribbean holiday destination.

    1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

      What does this even mean?

      1. Citizen X   9 years ago

        Dude is a fan of Mao, in particular his "medical" "reforms." Pay him no mind.

        1. mtrueman   9 years ago

          As a Maoist, I admire programmes such as the barefoot doctor. Saved lives in their 10s of millions.

          1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

            Which, of course, was canceled out by the 10s of millions of lives lost by the persecution of Western-trained doctors as "reactionaries" and "class traitors" by the Red Guard during the same period.

            1. SugarFree   9 years ago

              The Great Leap Forward was necessary to clear the mounds of dead counterrevolutionaries.

              As for this: As a Maoist, I can only assume his admitting to being a pedophile like his hero.

              1. mtrueman   9 years ago

                "The Great Leap Forward was necessary to clear the mounds of dead counterrevolutionaries."

                Counterrevolutionaries fared comparatively well. You can still find lots of Nationalists in the south of China (KMT), and survived through some rough periods. Most of the Great Leap Forward's victims were peasants and not anti-communists.

                "his admitting to being a pedophile like his hero."

                In for a penny...

            2. mtrueman   9 years ago

              " 10s of millions of lives lost by the persecution of Western-trained doctors"

              10s of 10s maybe. Western trained docs in China in the 50s were pretty rare. Most would likely have been missionaries and booted out.

              1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                Western trained docs in China in the 50s were pretty rare.

                That's bullshit and you know it.

                On the eve of the 1949 Communist Revolution, China found itself in a situation similar to that faced by African countries today. China had estimated that there were about 40,000 physicians trained in Western and Soviet medicine in the country.

                You're no better than a Holocaust denier.

                1. mtrueman   9 years ago

                  "40,000 physicians trained in Western"

                  Sounds impressive doesn't it. But it's a drop in the bucket. And I doubt many of these docs ventured more than a few hundred miles from the coast.

                  1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                    I guess goal-post moving is an essential part of historical revisionism.

                    Ok, ok...I'll admit some Jews were killed, maybe 1 or 2 million, but it wasn't six million Jews, am I right?

                  2. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                    I guess goal-post moving is an essential part of historical revisionism.

                    Ok, ok...I'll admit some Jews were killed, maybe 1 or 2 million, but it wasn't six million Jews, am I right?

                    1. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      but it wasn't six million Jews, am I right?

                      Yes. Any other questions?

                    2. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      Holy shit! You are an execrable excuse for a human being, aren't you?

                    3. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      Yeah, and my knowledge extends beyond your precious goalposts, too.

                    4. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      Wide-eyed conspiracy theorizing that the Holocaust was a hoax intended to justify the creation of the devil state of Israel isn't "knowledge", you gormless cunt.

                    5. Warty   9 years ago

                      And the Joos had it coming, didn't they, Truey?

                    6. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      Not 6 million. Go check it out.

                    7. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      Humor us...how many Jews were killed?

                    8. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      "Humor us...how many Jews were killed?"

                      Not 6 million. You agree with this execrable statement, or not?

                    9. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      Answer my question with a number first.

                    10. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      "Answer my question with a number first."

                      Best I can do without digging out the net is not 6 million. It's been revised downwards, though you see the 6 million figure is the emotionally charged one, (Holy shit! You are an execrable excuse for a human being, aren't you?) even if incorrect.

                    11. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      So no evidence what so ever despite the general consensus of historians that it is that number (e.g.; Bauer 2002, Cesarani 2004, Dawidowicz 1981, Evans 2002, Gilbert 1986, Hilberg 1996, Longerich 2012, Phayer 2000, Snyder 2010, Zuccotti 1999, et al.)

                      I'm not playing your childish games any longer. You've been thoroughly debunked on all fronts with both the numbers of doctors murdered during the Cultural Revolution and the number of Jews murdered during the Holocaust. You have added nothing constructive to this dialogue.

                    12. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      "You have added nothing constructive to this dialogue."

                      I've repeatedly extolled Mao's barefoot doctor programme. These remarks have gone unchallenged. You'd rather obsess over the number of Jews killed than respond to my admiration of this part of Mao's legacy.

                    13. Old Man With Candy   9 years ago

                      How many Christian children did they kill for wine and matzo? It dwarfs even the fake number spread by the Elders of Zion.

                      Work in a Khazar reference somewhere, I'm too tired.

                    14. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      Trueman: Americanized form of any of the various Jewish surnames derived from German treu 'true', 'faithful', for example Treu(mann), Treiman; Getreuer; Getroir, Getrouer (from Yiddish getray, influenced by German treu); Treuherz ('true heart').

                      Source: Dictionary of American Family Names ?2013, Oxford University Press

                    15. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      I always thought we named ourselves after a popular ale in England.

                    16. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      Answer the question.

                    17. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      "How many Christian children did they kill for wine and matzo?"

                      I support the Palestinian cause. I oppose Zionism. If that doesn't establish my anti-semitic credentials to your liking, then there's just no pleasing some people.

                    18. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      I like how you chose to respond to that with plaintive whining as opposed to first answering my simple query for the number of Jews who were killed by Nazi-led genocide.

                    19. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      first answering my simple query

                      I don't know the answer and I think you are perfectly capable of answering it yourself.

                    20. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      I don't know the answer and I think you are perfectly capable of answering it yourself.

                      Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit.

                    21. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      "Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit."

                      Was wondering when the Latin was going to make an appearance. As the wise man said: "What does it even mean?"

                    22. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      And the Joos had it coming, didn't they, Truey?

                      All this, Warty, to distract from the fact that he shat all over himself by attempting to minimize the numbers of Chinese physicians killed by the Maoist Red Guard.

                    23. Warty   9 years ago

                      Denying Mao's crimes is enough of an achievement. But to follow it with denying Hitler's? Pure class.

                    24. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      "Denying Mao's crimes"

                      I'm not denying his crimes, warty. I'm extolling his barefoot doctor programme. You can see that can't you?

                    25. Warty   9 years ago

                      So you're celebrating his crimes. Amazing. How many Jews did Hitler murder?

                    26. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      I'm extolling his barefoot doctor programme. You don't see it, do you? Clear away all those Joos from your eyes. They're interfering with your reading.

                    27. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      "attempting to minimize the numbers of Chinese physicians killed by the Maoist Red Guard."

                      No, I was praising, not for the first time in these pages, Mao's barefoot doctor programme. This has nothing to do with bourgeouis doctors or the cultural revolution. It was deep in the countryside and it was beneficial to the lives of astonishing numbers of people.

                    28. Warty   9 years ago

                      Wait. You're actually praising Mao? Hobby shit, you really are disgusting, aren't you?

                    29. Warty   9 years ago

                      So how many Jews did the Nazi regime murder, big guy?

                    30. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      Chicken-blood therapy was a form of pseudo-medical therapy popular in China during the Cultural Revolution. It was practised mainly by village doctors in the 1960s. Originally banned by the government, it was eventually accepted and encouraged by the Communist Party of China.

                      The therapy consisted mainly of simply drawing blood from a rooster and injecting into the patients. Claimed benefits included making the patient highly aggressive and strong.
                      Government attitude

                      After learning of chicken-blood therapy, the Government of China initially banned the therapy; Premier Zhou En-Lai reportedly said that "The Central Ministry of Health's handling of chicken blood therapy is a violation of Mao Zedong Thought." However, in 1967, the ban was lifted as part of the Cultural Revolution. Red Guards from Beijing and Shanghai jointly began encouraging the use of chicken-blood therapy as a legitimate cure.

                      LONG LIVE CHAIRMAN MAO!

                    31. Warty   9 years ago

                      How many Jews?

                    32. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      "How many Jews?"

                      Disgustingly, less than 6 million.

                    33. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      I admire the barefoot doctor programme. Do you?

                    34. Warty   9 years ago

                      Let me think. Do I support the government sending out armies of quacks to murder people with their nonsense treatments? I'll have to think about that one.

                      So how many Jews?

                    35. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      I praise the barefoot doctor programme, and all you can do is discuss the cultural revolution. It's two different things.

                    36. Warty   9 years ago

                      Why are you here?

                    37. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      I praise the barefoot doctor programme. Come and join me.

                    38. mtrueman   9 years ago

                      "Wait. You're actually praising Mao? "

                      Got it! More precisely his barefoot doctor programme.

          2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

            Let a thousand flowers bloom.

      2. mtrueman   9 years ago

        I prefer China. I understand Haiti is the politically correct Caribbean holiday destination.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

          If you had been to China recently, the first thing you'd notice is they do capitalism better than we do.

          1. mtrueman   9 years ago

            Not all that recently, and I prefer the economic hinterlands of the south and the west. I wasn't terribly impressed by China's economic powerhouses. Far too dirty and crowded for my taste. If you think they are an improvement, we certainly have different ideas of what's good.

            1. Warty   9 years ago

              The countryside isn't crawling with quacks injecting sick people with chicken blood anymore. It's terrible, isn't it, comrade?

              1. mtrueman   9 years ago

                "The countryside isn't crawling with quacks injecting sick people with chicken blood anymore"

                Are you so sure? A trip to the Chinese countryside might just be what the doctor ordered for a little supplementary education.

    2. Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe   9 years ago

      A cheap holiday in other people's misery, indeed.

  5. pan fried wylie   9 years ago

    Kim's school never took her to a colonial times exhibit. News Flash: the past sucked ass, big time.

    1. Tonio   9 years ago

      Do they even have those in California? I know they are keen on mission history, but there weren't large numbers of (ethnic) europeans there until the 1845 Gold Rush, right?

      1. pan fried wylie   9 years ago

        Damn, I didn't consider that from my sheltered rural and suburban East Coast upbringing. I guess you do need colonial times to exhibit them. Gold Rush was still pretty lame though. Though, I personally would have much preferred a field trip panning for gold compared to learning about the production of johnny cakes.

  6. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    Hey, you left the accent off the "e" in "Beyonc?," you racist!

  7. scape   9 years ago

    I'd like to wear a Trump shirt around and wait for the "racist" "fascist" "bigot" remarks to come at me than pull off the Trump shirt to revel a Che shirt. And then wait for ? silence?

    1. Irish is a Millennial, Poll Me   9 years ago

      Che made Cuba great again by sticking queers in concentration camps, dude

      1. Citizen X   9 years ago

        Also, in the Argentine slang of his time, "Che" was sort of a nonsense interjection that Ernesto Guevera's buddies teased him about overusing. If he'd been born in Canada, he'd be remembered as Eh Guevera.

      2. JD the elder   9 years ago

        I wonder if Jay-Z knows that Che thought that black people were little more than animals.

  8. Long Woodchippers   9 years ago

    They could create an "Old Town Havana" cultural district for those who want see the poverty of the 1950's frozen in time.

    1. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

      DisneyCuba?

  9. Spartacus   9 years ago

    We should arrange a trade. All those people who think Cuba is so great, we could exchange them for some native Cubans who want to move to the U.S. They can take over Kim Kardashian's job, whatever that is.

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      Part II of your plan - Cuban emigres to the US - is getting done - it's part I we have to work on.

    2. pan fried wylie   9 years ago

      I'm sure there's plenty of Cuban candidates for "being hot on TV".

  10. SugarFree   9 years ago

    Here's who we should be deporting.

    1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      Straight back to the Shire.

  11. DEATFBIRSECIA   9 years ago

    Bitch, how are you not a hobbit again? Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah right. Rightrightrightrightright, yeah. Okay. Yep. Yep. Let me get- okay. Yep, I got it. Okay, love you too.

    Okay, if my fianc?e Kim? is? a hobbit, then how come? it uh how c- then, okay, if she's a hobbit, then how come she don't live in a hole in the ground? BOOOOOOM! All y'all just got lit up, cuz! She don't live in no hole in the ground, she lives in a big-ass mansion, with me, in her room, that is slightly below ground! So, you can? She, she is sexy, and womanly, and she smokes a pipe. She can blow them rings that go up over her head, and? Hold up.

    Bitch, you not a hobbit, right? ... No, I know, you just, you smoke that long pipe sometimes when you sit by the fire... Oh it's a- Oh, okay. Got it, got it- What do you call it? Yep. Yep, got it. Okay. Yep, love you too.
    That is not a hobbit pipe, for your information! It is a personal oral humidifier to keep all the wrinkles around her mouth from showin'. So haha, all you haters, HA!

  12. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    I agree with Kim Kardashian on at least two points

    Nick cannot tell a lie = they are, "Dat" and "Azz"

  13. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    What's with this hobbit stuff?

    1. Citizen X   9 years ago

      Obviously, you are not a C-SPAN watcher.

    2. DEATFBIRSECIA   9 years ago

      Bitch is a hobbit.

      1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

        That overhyped series is still on the air?

        /waits for blowback

  14. Bill Dalasio   9 years ago

    Have to admit the 180 on Cuba is a little bizarre. Just a few weeks ago wasn't Reason singing the praises of President Obama's trip to encourage trade with their government? Now, because an inane celebrity posted on Twitter about her trip there, you've got a problem with it?

    1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

      Do yourself a favor and re-read the article more closely. Nick's thesis isn't that arcane.

      1. Citizen X   9 years ago

        Psht. Who has time to read the articles?

        1. Microaggressor   9 years ago

          Nobody needs to read long winded articles about Kim Kardashian when children are hungry in this country.

    2. thrakkorzog   9 years ago

      There's no real inconsistency on this one, libertarians have generally opposed the embargo with Cuba as being pointless, and used as an excuse by the Castros for the failures of Communism. That's not the same thing as saying that communism is good.

      1. Bill Dalasio   9 years ago

        The problem is that, as some of us pointed out when writers here were singing the praises of Mr. Obama's trip to Cuba, the trip wasn't about about ending the embargo (which I support), but actually encouraging commerce with the Cuban regime. Well, here's some of that commerce with the Cuban regime. I'm glad Mr. Gillespie's acknowledged that it's commerce putting a sunny face on a brutal, repressive regime which keeps its people in poverty. I just don't understand what new information the fact that Kim Kardashian sent a Twitter post from Havana adds to cause such a dramatic turnaround.

        1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

          I don't understand where you're reading "a dramatic turnaround" in Nick's post. All he is doing is mocking the tone-deafness of an observation of a vapid celebrity, whose only claim to fame is allowing someone to film her as he peed on her, that ignores the grinding poverty that exists in Cuba. I don't see how by doing that Nick is saying 'Don't go to Cuba on vacation'.

          1. Bill Dalasio   9 years ago

            All he is doing is mocking the tone-deafness of an observation of a vapid celebrity...

            What's tone-deaf about it? She saw a bunch of things that she thought were quaint. It only strikes me as "tone-deaf" if you stop and think about the fact that she's enjoying a totalitarian dictatorship where her good time is suckling at the teet of a regime that actively oppresses their own people. Hey, I bet ISIS controls some beautiful beaches in Syria.

  15. Enjoy Every Sandwich   9 years ago

    Some people will come here?the Kevin Costners, the Oliver Stones?and laud Fidel Castro for the successes of the Cuban revolution.

    Yeah, the people rich and famous enough to be insulated from the grinding poverty of the Socialist Worker's Utopia.

  16. Agent Cooper   9 years ago

    "but of a brand-new Toyota Prius or Chevy Volt."

    Enough with the fucking virtue signaling. I think many Cubans would love a Ford F-150.

  17. Aloysious   9 years ago

    A Cuban musician who I admire greatly is Horacio "El Negro" Hernandez, whom I was introduced to on Carlos Santana's Supernatural (1999) album.

  18. Trigger Warning   9 years ago

    It's difficult to ignore ignorance and stupidity of Kardashian's profundity, so I'd like to invite her to please stay in Cuba.

  19. Jerryskids   9 years ago

    Look goddammit, the natural beauty and authenticity of Cuba is the good parts of socialism, the grinding poverty is the bad parts of capitalism. It's like you people can't even think.

  20. Karinka   9 years ago

    Are you single tonight? A lot of beautiful girls waiting for you to http://goo.gl/pI9ucn
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    1. Aloysious   9 years ago

      Are they Cuban wimminz?

  21. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

    Communist revolutionary kitsch has always been popular with the celebrity set.

  22. Karinka   9 years ago

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