Millennials

Trump Fans and 'Social Justice Warriors,' Two Sides of the Same Authoritarian Coin

Both the social-justice left and the alt-right view the world primarily through identity politics.

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At first blush, the anti-political correctness crusaders that make up Donald Trump's online army have little in common with the so-called "social justice warriors" they claim to abhor. Some will even argue that trigger-warning-happy, intolerance-intolerant campus activists and their digital counterparts are actually driving otherwise level-headed and mild-mannered young folk straight into the arms of the Donald. But as well as these two millennial cohorts work as political foils on the surface, they're really better understood as two sides of the same authoritarian coin.

Consider: both the social-justice left and the so-called "alt-right" view the world primarily through identity politics. Whether it's in the service of white nationalism or multicultural flourishing, they encourage individuals to be ever-cognizant of their own race, sex, sexual orientation, etc., and that of those with whom they're interacting. While you might argue that the social-justice left is less dehumanizing or on ethically higher ground in their assignation of everyone to identity categories—their stated goal, after all, is overcoming disparities in relative privilege, not perpetuating them—the effect has still been an increasing collectivism and tendency to reduce people and cultures to socially agreed-upon roles and attributes.

Then there's the reliance on victimhood and outrage. Conservatives have for years decried this melodramatic tendency on the left but, if there was ever a time they didn't trade on it heavily themselves, that time has long since passed. Both sides, especially their youngest and most digitally active advocates, seize every opportunity possible to portray the other side as bullying, stupid, and evil, and their side as the truly oppressed. Obviously, a lot of legitimate claims of injustice lie in this melee, too. But they're often lost in the white noise of whining, hyperbolic keyboard warriors, the professional grievancemongers in the media, and the privileged university students who believe subpar Bahn Mi sandwiches are an affront on human dignity. The entire politically aware Internet is the boy who cried wolf, and then texted it, and then showed up with a wolf gif in your Twitter mentions. Trauma and mistreatment are currency whether you're a Fox News contributor or a feminist blogger, a confused college freshman, an obese pansexual genderqueer grad student, or Norse-god-in-a-Trump-hat avi guy on Twitter. 

And for all these people, things are only getting worse. Their beliefs are rooted in pessimism and fear about the state of modern society, and its capacity for positive change. No, the millennial elite are all reality-denying socialist feminazis intent on subjugating the whole male population, there's a war on cops in the inner cities or wherever it is black people live, the immigrants are sneaking across borders to rape our women, the Muslims are holding rape parties in the streets of London, Christians get no respect, white women aren't having enough babies, there are too damn many interracial couples, making false rape claims is a new college major, and Twitter is out to get conservatives. Or hate speech is rampant, women online face a constant barrage of rape and death threats, college campuses are facing epidemics of sexual violence, everyone is racist, sex trafficking is everywhere, Republicans want to ban birth control, employers pay women less for the exact same work, GMOs are giving us cancer and autistic babies, undocumented immigrants are earning livings in jobs we think should be beneath them, dumb hicks are getting dumber, and the whole world ever less safe.

Demonstrating with what most people would consider facts that any of these things is not true won't do any good. Both the "build a wall" and the "believe all women" crowd are wholly resistant to evidence that doesn't match their preferred narratives. Othering and demonizing opponents isn't about convincing the unconvinced, but building in-group solidarity. They are right, and anyone who can't see it is a damn dirty cis-het cuck. 

And Trump's young, digitally savvy conservative fans and the safe-space idolizing students of elite U.S. universities don't merely share a propensity for the language of victimhood and outrage. They also both reject classical liberal values—values that, until recently, large swaths of the right and left almost universally claimed to revere. Neither side cares much for individual rights, tolerance, equality under the law, or small government. Neither is above calling on the state to intervene and impose an inviolable value-system on all citizens.

"The most significant dividing line in our current politics isn't between left and right but individualism vs. collectivism," suggested Jack Hunter this week at Breitbart. It's become something of a common axiom in libertarian political circles and among the allegedly liberty-respecting right. But while "cultural libertarians" and their ilk claim to stand in contrast to the left's collectivist impulses, these groups—the Reddit-era heirs of '90s-style paleoconservatism, according to Hunter—are every bit as collectivist as their alleged enemies. 

The young people of today's college protests and Twitter mobs certainly aren't blameless in all this. But it's important to keep in mind that this isn't their rodeo and these aren't their clowns.

Neither ruling party, nor any of its mouthpieces, have more than winked at protecting civil liberties for the past few decades. Neither have been the best role models for respecting the Constitution or promoting smaller government. Both have championed caricatured narratives about what animates the other side, and rely on cultivating moral superiority as a prime political tool and end.

Liberal leaders in academia, activism, and politics rarely show much enthusiasm for free speech, due process, economic liberty, or religious freedom, even when they're not actively working against them. Meanwhile their conservative counterparts only defend rights that accord with their worldviews or polling numbers. Who do we expect to have taught the young left about liberal values if not their elders in advocacy and the academy? Who should the young right look up to for truly limited-government guidance in a conservative party and paradigm that's routinely betrayed any such principles? In 16 George W. Bush and Barack Obama years—the entirety of millennials' tenure so far as adults—who in the political mainstream has shown to young Americans that our society works because, not in spite, of our purportedly ironclad constitutional protections? It's no wonder that today's 17- and 22-year-olds have little appreciation for U.S. constitutional law, nor use for anyone who doesn't completely share their political whims. 

The sooner libertarians stop pretending that any millennial manifestation of the mainstream left or right has a monopoly on awfulness, the better. We needn't cozy up with progressive or alt-right authoritarians in order to show we like free speech or don't like bigotry. The real silent majority of millennials—the ones that show up in polling numbers not Tweetstorms, in personal conversations not viral videos—is still (and increasingly) socially tolerant and sympathetic to constitutional principles. They're just too busy living and let live to be found prominently in either side of the junior illiberal outrage machine. 

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  1. Wait, the alt-right controls much of the media, academia, pop culture, an so on? Let’s treat these as if they are equal in influence…. please

    Social Cons make arguments over policing morality, restrictions on speech, and they get correctly laughed off stage. Yet the SJW left does that to thunderous applause

    1. The alt-right was a reaction to the SJWs after they had years of unhindered growth. They did not form at the same time in opposition to each other. One is a direct and warranted response to the other. That makes the SJWs slightly worse in my opinion. They had a ten year head start on the alt-right. It’s similar to when people make fun of people the right when they get outraged over stupid unimportant stuff somebody on the left does. It’s not that they are actually outraged at what happened, but are outraged only at the ridiculous hypocrisy in media coverage and reactions.

      1. That is a good point.

        It is the left that is constantly instigating a change to push the envelope in their direction.

        The other side is reacting by pushing back against their instigation.

        Those are not equivalent.

        1. Rightwinger: The Left started it!
          Leftwinger: Nuh uh! The Right started it!
          Rightwinder: Nuh uh! The Left started it!
          Leftwinger: Nuh uh! The Right started it!
          Rightwinder: Nuh uh! The Left started it!
          Leftwinger: Nuh uh! The Right started it!
          Rightwinder: Nuh uh! The Left started it!
          Leftwinger: Nuh uh! The Right started it!
          Rightwinder: Nuh uh! The Left started it!

          Ad infinitum.

      2. My theory is that the alt-right is the result of privilege shaming. The goal of privilege shaming is to make someone aware of their identity (which, as a majority in their community, they might otherwise take for granted) and how it benefits them. Thing is, if you engage in privilege shaming, whether or not the target actually feels shame, you’ve made them more aware of their identity. If they have a negative reaction to the shaming part, it backfires.

    2. Both sides . . . seize every opportunity possible to portray the other side as bullying, stupid, and evil, and their side as the truly oppressed.

      Thanks for the example.

      1. You don’t understand. The SJWs are privileged, the alt-right is not. Being a shitheel = bad views + power.

    3. SJWs aren’t the entire left or Democratic party. Media is clearly dominated by left leaning people. And a lot of SJW crap seeps in. But I don’t think they quite control the mainstream media (though that will depend on how one defines “SJW”).

      The “alt-right” also has plenty of stages where their bullshit gets thunderous applause. For years the left played the role of the marginalized outsiders, and that was a load of shit. It’s a load of shit when conservatives or Christians or whatever do it too.

      And I don’t think anyone is claiming absolute equivalence here. Just that they are both awful and authoritarian movements and they all suck.

      1. SJWs aren’t the entire left or Democratic party.

        Correct. They’re only something like 80+% of it.

        1. Again, depending on how you define it. Is everyone who thinks that “Social Justice” is a real think that makes any sense at all an SJW? Or is it limited to those who make it their life’s work to fight for whatever the hell it is they are fighting for? The “warrior” part of the name makes me favor the latter definition.

          1. Is everyone who thinks that “Social Justice” is a real think that makes any sense at all an SJW?

            Believing in it makes them leftards. Going out of their way to get in people’s faces with it makes them SJWs.

            -jcr

      2. So is it your opinion that no one is marginalized or ever can be? I think real evangelical Christians are pretty marginalized. Every elite institution in this country outside of the Military makes no secret of not admitting them. Do you really think that you can be an evangelical Christian and get into say an Ivy college if you are open about your beliefs and don’t hide them?

        AT least in colleges, there is actually an entire book on the subject Graduate Admissions: Merit, Diversity and Faculty Gatekeeping,

        I would link to a review but reason won’t take any of my links. Google it and you will see what I am talking about.

        1. No. It’s my opinion that Christians and conservatives aren’t marginalized in this country. The US is the most religious country in the western industrialized world. And half of politics is dominated by supposed conservatives who mention God at every opportunity.
          Maybe in certain cities and at certain schools they are marginalized, but that’s hardly the case in the country as a whole.

          1. But they aren’t applauded everywhere, Zeb. That’s the same as being marginalized.

            1. Is it, square circle guy? Is it?!?

          2. If you are not allowed into the top educational institutions or the most important cultural institutions, you are marginalized. Could a devout evangelical go very far in Hollywood if they didn’t cover that up? The art or publishing world? No.

            I think they are getting pretty close to being as marginalized as Jews were in this country before World War II. Yeah, no one is going to kill them or anything. But they are not welcome in many of the most important places unless they are willing to hide their beliefs.

            1. I think they are getting pretty close to being as marginalized as Jews were in this country before World War II

              HA! OMG.

              1. For those keeping score at home, count it!

                1. Waffles I gave evidence to support what I am saying. What do you have in response?

              2. This country as in the USA. The holocaust didn’t happen here. But Jews had to change their names and pretend they were not Jewish if they wanted to go to the established institutions in this country. And even then they still were admitted, just in small numbers.

                They at least had a Jew quanta in the 1930s. Today, they just don’t admit any evangelicals to the top colleges if they can help it. If you don’t believe me SF, google the book I reference and read the reviews. It is shocking. And it wasn’t written by some hack with an agenda.

                You and the people on here hate evangelicals more openly and with more intensity than any person I have ever met hated Jews. And that is totally okay and accepted in this society.

              3. I have heard of white people referred to as a “problem race”, but that sentiment is reserved for the looniest quarters of the internet.

                1. Microagressor,

                  There are tenured profs all over the country who got their tenure by saying that. There are all sorts of public intellectuals who got their position by claiming that. Tenisa Coats or whatever the hell his name is is the most overtly and intense racist there is in public life. Outside of the South I am not sure even white people in 20s were as openly racist as Coates. And he is one of the most celebrated writers and intellectuals in the country.

              4. “HA! OMG.”

                I wouldn’t be laughing, Stevia. I seem to be getting the same vibe when it comes to “othering” the Evangelicals, minus the killing or herding them into camps, of course.

                I know plenty of people who are pretty vocal about their faith (on Facebook, anyway), and they’re some of the coolest folks you would ever meet otherwise.

          3. And we are not talking about all Christians. We are talking about evangelical Christians Zeb.

            1. OK, I thought we were talking about Christians more generally. It may be more true talking about evangelicals specifically. And I’m sure you are largely right about their chances in the Ivy League. But I see plenty of successful and wealthy evangelicals out there too. I think it depends on where you are.

              Some of them probably should hide it to some extent. I’m not going to hire the guy who says “praise the Lord” after every sentence.

              And before you accuse me of hating evangelical christians, there are a number of people who I am quite fond of who are evangelicals and I have no desire to convince them that their religion is wrong or anything like that. It seems to help them be happy, decent people and that’s great, even if I don’t share their specific beliefs or think some of them are ridiculous. I’m sure they think the same of me.

              1. I don’t think you do. Sorry if I implied otherwise.

            2. I went to grad school at UC Davis with several evangelicals, in a Humanities department.

              They weren’t exactly welcomed, or respected, it’s true. And I can witness that there is a strong left wing bias in Humanities departments, and you’d be best served by not expressing right wing views if you have them (this was 15 years ago, and it does seem to have gotten worse).

              But whether you see persecution depends on where you go looking for it.

              If you can get a job in an English Department by talking the correct Marxian dog-whistles, and get ignored by not cleansing your speech of “conservative” dog-whistles, you aren’t going to get a job at a Wall Street hedge fund with the Marxian dog-whistles, and when I came out of academia into construction, I had to change a lot of my idioms post-haste to fit a fundamentally market-driven context where that Marxian claptrap just doesn’t fly.

              In fact, this country still has a number of real-live laws on the books against being a Communist. I had to sign an oath when I started teaching swearing that I was not Communist, for example.

              No such thing exists for right wing views.

              And to head-off the inevitable Johnification, I am not arguing that leftists have never ever done anything bad or that all conservatives and Christians are responsible for all that’s wrong with the world.

              1. you aren’t going to get a job at a Wall Street hedge fund with the Marxian dog-whistles,

                I know lots of people on Wall Street and they all are very far left in their political views. You can totally work on Wall Street as a Marxist. Crazy but true.

                No such thing exists for right wing views.

                There did not until gay marriage. Now you can be sued out of business for having social conservative views. And you don’t need laws to be a marginalized group. There were no laws that said Jews were not welcome in the 1930s. It was society that made it that way. The culture. And that is what the culture and society are doing to evangelicals today.

                How many CEO’s have been fired for giving money to left wing causes? How many businesses have been sued out of business for being to SJW? How many twitter mobs have tried to ruin people’s lives for being too SJW?

                1. Now you can be sued out of business for having social conservative views.

                  No you can’t. You can be sued for refusing to accommodate people at your business. That is not the same as being sued for having the views.

                  Every Communist can be removed from the public school system and jailed for perjury simply because they are Communist. It won’t happen, and we all know there are plenty of Communists in the school system, but unlike this “Now you can be sued out of business for having social conservative views,” this is actually legally true that you can be fired from your job for being Communist.

                  SJWs are on an uptick right now. They were a laughing stock 25 years ago, and they will be again. AC current is very predictable that way, and that’s the kind of political society we have.

                  Your side will never win (and never lose) because you and the other side define yourselves in contrast to each other.

                  1. “SJWs are on an uptick right now. They were a laughing stock 25 years ago…”

                    They were?

                    1. Yes – after the wave of the 60s and 70s, anyone carrying a sign expressing outrage about something in the 80s was pointed at and mocked. Mercilessly.

                      They didn’t start getting taken seriously again (largely by young college students) until the early 90s.

                      Clinton’s pivot to the right and the “Republican Revolution” were widely seen as the end of the 60s SJW phenomenon, which paralleled the collapse of Communism.

                      Then began the counter-reaction, and so it goes, on and on, forever, each side always believing itself to be the persecuted underdog.

        2. Where does being a Christian, white, middle class man get you in our federal government? The federal government puts absolutely anyone in line ahead of you. For educational dollars, for college admission, for federal jobs. Absolutely everything. This is being done by the very people who go around proclaiming “social justice.” I am no fan of Trump, but I sure understand his popularity.

          There was brief mention in the piece about individualism vs. socialism. That’s what it really comes down to. We have two parties arguing over who has the best plan for controlling our lives. That’s a non-starter for me. I want both parties out of my life and out of my government. Yes, I said MY government. I have every bit as much claim to it as Hillary or Donald. They can both kiss my ass.

          1. Where does being a Christian, white, middle class man get you in our federal government?

            If we work really hard, maybe someday we’ll have a white, Christian, middle class man for President! Wouldn’t that be something?

            1. Six of the Justices of the Supreme Court of the U.S. are (nominally) Catholic. Not a single justice is a Protestant Christian.

      3. The “alt-right” also has the equivalent of dark alleys, secret passages and dank catacombs where their bullshit gets thunderous applause. For decades the left has lorded it over an army of useful idiots who use the power of the state and the media to silence any and all opposition while playing the role of the marginalized outsiders. It’s a far cry from the influence the alt right has–on those rare occasions when it’s allowed into the light of day at all.

        FTFY

        1. For decades the left has lorded it over an army of useful idiots who use the power of the state and the media to silence any and all opposition while playing the role of the marginalized outsiders.

          Ah yes, the Reagan-Bush years. Fond memories . . .

          1. Do you actually believe that? Or are you too young to have been there and will just believe anything no matter how rucking stupid your leftists Profs tell you?

            1. Do you actually believe that? Or are you too young to have been there and will just believe anything no matter how rucking stupid your leftists Profs tell you?

              I was there (in fact, I’m pretty sure I’m older than you). In CA with Republican governors. All my local representatives were also Republican.

              In California.

              So if your question is do I believe that it’s not true that Republicans have been “marginalized outsiders” for decades then my answer is “yes – that does not comport with my lived experience.

              1. How does any of that mean the state silenced all dissent?

                1. How does any of that mean the state silenced all dissent?

                  I think you misinterpreted my post.

                  The intent was:

                  Republicans are not persecuted underdogs who have never been in power.

                  Debates over which of the two dominant parties is slightly more evil than the other to me feel like utter wastes of time and energy.

              2. One might also recall a number of consecutive years in recent memory when Republicans controlled not one, not two, but all three branches of government.

                Liberty reigned supreme!

          2. Exactly. When the left controlled all media and Congress to boot…….

            But you were attempting to be facetious.

            nope.

            1. Little known fact – Reagan was also the victim of left-wing mind control!

        2. Yeah, all opposition to the left has been silenced. That’s why there is no Republican party anymore and we are all in prison.

      4. Your last sentence is completely true. The first paragraph, not so much. Control is a difficult thing to measure, exactly, but I don’t think there’s any question that the SJW point of view is almost uniformly treated soberly and respectfully by the press while their fellow authoritarians on the right are just as uniformly mocked and insulted.

        The clear answer is to mock and insult ALL of them.

        1. Maybe we are overestimating the degree of control the mainstream media exerts. At least half of the country is not at all SJW or whatever you call it. Right wing populism and conservatism are going strong. The press has lost a lot of credibility with people who don’t already agree with their point of view.

        2. the SJW point of view is almost uniformly treated soberly and respectfully by the press

          There is a left-wing press, and a right-wing press. Neither treats the other soberly and respectfully.

          1. And FOX news and Rush Limbaugh are a hell of a lot more popular than CNN and Rachel Maddow.

            1. Which conservatives will never hesitate to point out when not complaining about how ignored and persecuted they are!

    4. I’m not sure why you think I should favor one group over the other when it comes to Assholes In Power versus Assholes Trying To Get In Power.

      1. And one has to respect the intellectual slight of hand that accompanies a willingness to argue one day that the Republicans are dominant and represent the majority because most governors, most state legislatures, and both houses of Congress are dominated by Republicans, and then the next day argue that Republicans are marginalized and persecuted by those evil Democrats who dominate everything.

    1. Thank Zod. I just bought more popcorn.

    2. Sexist. The correct exclamation is :”oh, non-gender-specific juvenile.”

      1. Xenu preserve us!

        1. I deem you cleared.

      2. Perpetuate islamophobic cisgender patriarchy much? Ugh. This is why we need to de-colonize H&R and gets shit woke up in here.

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  3. Consider: both the social-justice left and the so-called “alt-right” view the world primarily through identity politics.

    I suppose, if the intent is to build your argument around the false premise that it’s a binary issue that requires a person to be in either camp. It doesn’t. Thinking SJW’s are full of shit can stand on its own; membership is another club sold separately. Believing the PC crowd is dangerous, and if the words of Loretta Lynch this week do not crystallize that in your head nothing can, does not require one to wave the Trumpkin flag.

    1. Aren’t we all getting sick and fucking tired of the daily turnout of Reason articles EQUATING Trump to any and all of the many existing evils we’ve all been trying so desparately to expose and eradicate in our lifetime? When something EQUALS someting else it is a pretty amazing coincidence, but here it’s routine, and we are treated to endless ranting and pants-shitting because the writers have to write, and the thinkers have to think and oh, GOD, all of them have to prove beyond any doubt, every day and every night, that they are above this horrid, uncouth, neanderthal horde of Trump supporters.

      For what it’s worth, Trump supporters are people – everyday, common people who have chosen to ACT, by voting and attending rallies, etc. They seek to put an end to the decay set into this country by the out-of-control PC crybullies, monstrously big government, free shit advocates and Bill of Rights-stomping control freaks. They probably don’t read Reason magazine, so they’re not lectured daily on what a scoundrel Trump is, and that he would more than likely continue with a lot of the things they don’t want. But there’s something elegantly simple that they FULLY understand – and that is that if we don’t get rid of this regime we’re just plain fucked. And they’ve annointed the meanest, loudest, most bombastic character they could find to shove home their message, profoundly up the asses of the elites of both parties. I say more power to them.

      1. Trump makes people zany, so the questionable equivalences are unlikely to cease anytime soon.

  4. Are there any links to these white nationalist Trump supporters? I’m sure they’re out there, what I wonder is how many of them there are and how significant they are in comparison to the SJW crowd.

    1. The white nationalist aspect of Trump supporters is overblown because the media hates Trump and thinks that will sink him.

      Mostly his supporters are just a cult that will believe anything Trump tells them, up to and including the claim that Ted Cruz’s dad was hanging out with Lee Harvey Oswald.

      1. As for you in particular Irish, are you a white nationalist, or a racist internationalist? I assume the latter would want to form some kind of coalition of all the majority-white nations to resist the brown tide.

        1. being a racist internationalist sounds exotic and expensive.

          1. Blacks out of Africa NOW!

          2. being a racist internationalist sounds exotic and expensive.

            Idle, this would make a wonderful quote T-shirt.

        2. Brown tide?

          Nobody is talking about Chipotle here.

          1. Santorum? Or is that red-brown?

            1. With streaks of white.

      2. evidence indicates that every time the media or some other group is convinced that “this” is going to sink Trump, it instead elevates him. He’s like the Bizarro Superman candidate.

        1. It’s exactly like people in their 40s trying to be hip and not understanding that “hip” is defined as “not what you people in your 40s are doing.”

          If they really wanted to sink him, and weren’t morons, they would start singing his praises.

          1. Hip is also not using the word ‘hip,’ fam

            1. Hey – I’m hip to what’s keen with the youngsters! They’re the bee’s knees!

              1. Are you woke?

    2. Are there any links to these white nationalist Trump supporters?

      You can easily research that, although I recommend that you do not – you do not want to visit the places were Irish is cherished.

      1. I am a God to them. They burn crosses in my honor.

    3. Sure– try https://www.reason.com.

      You’ll find some there–it’s a hotbed of white nationalist activity–why, there are people on that site that actually question progressive policies–if you can believe it.

      And–trigger warning–

      the biggest–

      they use the ‘n’ word.

      1. I still haven’t recovered from when Matt Welch used that word.
        I bet he has a noose made out of a Confederate flag on the tree in his back yard.

  5. This is, like, the worst chat room EVAR.

    1. Stay away from Old Man With Candy

  6. They definitely are both authoritarian assholes, but it’s pretty clear who has the political clout right now and who is trying to wrestle that clout away and rule the plebes with a bad Comb-over. Either way we’re fucked as per usual.

    1. It’s also pretty clear which side is currently more violent.

      1. Depending on who you ask.

        1. no–depending on who is committing the actual acts of violence.

          1. depending on who is committing the actual acts of violence

            and what team they’re on! Don’t forget that you can’t do the calculation of which non-participants are to blame for the violence if you don’t know what team the violent people were on.

            1. are we getting a bit hysterical here?

              ‘Cos it’s pretty obvious what ‘team’ most of the people attacking others and occupying spaces are on.

              1. it’s pretty obvious what ‘team’ most of the people attacking others and occupying spaces are on.press

                Of course it is!

          2. I’m talking about the clarity.

        2. True… If you ask the media and SJW’s, those that oppose their crazy views are violent. If you watch the hours of video available youtube, it’s SJW’s that are violent. I guess projection is a hellova drug.

          1. I was commenting on what is clear, not on which side is using more violence. The left and the labor movement have been engaged in more political violence than the right wing for a long time.

  7. there are too damn many interracial couples

    I blame OJ for this. Damn you, Juice!

    1. But OJ wasn’t black he was just OJ.

        1. Why do you think they slow-mo chased him rather than ramming his car off the road and filling it with lead?

    2. Oh hell no. I’m going home and asking my Latina wife if we can add an Asian girl to the mix.

      *puts on bear proof suit*

      1. Oh hell no. I’m going home and asking my Latina wife if we can add an Asian girl to the mix.

        *puts on bear proof suit*

        FTFY

      2. Be sure to send pics, however it turns out.

        1. My prediction; sucking chest wound.

          1. “It’s like someone opened up the Ark of the Covenant in here…” – Vomiting Homicide Detective

    3. Q: What did Nicole Brown Simpson say to Ron Goldman?
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      A: You can eat my pussy, but the juice might kill you.

      1. Too soon.

      2. And yet I found the “brown tide” joke less tasteful.

  8. The sooner libertarians stop pretending that any millennial manifestation of the mainstream left or right has a monopoly on awfulness, the better.

    So, no more Millennial Poles? I haz a sad?

  9. They aren’t the same.

    The only objective at this point is to stop leftists at all costs. If you don’t, you get the Russian Revolution. The misrule of the tsar was objectively better than the Red Terror that came afterward.

    Trump may be a retarded strongman, but he isn’t a leftist retarded strongman, and that means it is the moral imperative of every non-leftist to vote for him.

    1. Now that’s how you do deadpan.

    2. Now that it’s a moral imperative, it’s okay to force people to comply, right? Like, with guns and knives?

      1. What the fuck is wrong with you? They would clearly use bear traps and tasers. Pshh!

  10. You ARE a ‘Social Justice Warrior’, lying scumbagetta. Why else would you think it’s remotely newsworthy that George Zimmerman is selling his personal property? Non-SJWs moved on from that story a long time ago.

    1. ^^This guy and mad.casual are some of the only people who talk sense around here.

      Even I think papayaSF is a fucking nut, though.

      1. And he’s a comic genius.

      2. That’s how you do deadpan, Zeb.

      3. Sorry, lulztopian is good, too. Didn’t want to leave him out.

        1. First time anyone has ever said that about ‘im.

        2. hey I appreciate that, even if it is sarcasm.

    2. Meds, Mike. Take them. They are for your own good.

      1. He’s negging her. It will work any day now.

        1. *Gibbs slap*

        2. Speaking of negs, let’s play a game of ‘is this satire?’

          NEGGING WOMEN ? 10 AWESOME NEGS THAT WORK

          “Your roots are showing.”

          “Your nose is a little red. You’re like an Eskimo. Cool.”

          “You know, you look just like my little sister. Weird.”

          “You know, your body language is all closed off. It makes you look like one of those newborns I saw on the discovery channel when they came out of the womb ? all curled up.”

          “Hey, you’re a goof.”

          By negging women, you’ve indicated to her that you’re not interested in her over anyone else in the group. This is a new thing for her. She’ll feel the bitter sting of being just like everyone else. Her looks no longer give her all the power ? because you’re not responding to her looks.

          1. Pfft. I was already starting off every conversation with hot chicks with subtle insults. The second time, I call her by the wrong name the entire time unless she corrects me. The third meeting, if I haven’t banged her already, is for backhanded compliments.

            1. I start every conversation with a woman by saying ‘So, did you get those boots from the whore store or did you steal them off a homeless woman?’

              I am so lonely, please help

              1. I never neg women, but I still can’t get no play.

                I start every conversation with “Your tits are awesome!” but somehow, nothing good comes from it. I may try this ‘negging thing’.

                Let me practice: “Your tits suck balls!”

              2. Jesus Christ, Rohypnol! Use it!

                Fucking amateurs…..

            2. If she hasn’t banged you by the third date? What kind of beta cuck are you, bro?

              1. Who said anything about dates? I work on a five year plan.

          2. Negging is the Aspy attempt to reverse engineer the seemingly impossible act of treating an attractive woman no differently than you treat your male friends. It’s like watching apes trying to use a jet ski.

            1. Negging really only works if the said target is already physically attracted to you. Obviously that’s why I employ pea-cocking.

              1. I feel so sad for these guys. And a little righteous anger at the con men squeezing money out of them.

            2. False equivalence. Watching an ape try to jet ski doesn’t make you feel bad for humanity.

              1. But it does make me feel bad for the sun- and surf-loving apes of Southern California.

              2. Also false equivalence, because an ape using a jet ski is something I’d really like to watch.

          3. By negging women, you’ve indicated to her that you’re not interested in her over anyone else in the group.

            Unless, of course, that woman has read that website. Then she knows that you are both interested in her primarily and that you are a giant asshole.

            1. “Then she knows that you are both interested in her primarily and that you are a giant asshole.”
              Based on who that site would attract, their delivery alone would likely reveal that.

          4. Did I step into a Longtorso comment chain and not notice?

          5. *sniggers to self, mumbles under breath*

            Idiots.

    3. Every time Mike M. comes up with a new nickname, a baby angel is born with an extra chromosome.

    4. You need to relax dude. Here…

  11. the entirety of millennials’ tenure so far as adults?who in the political mainstream has shown to young Americans that our society works because, not in spite, of our purportedly ironclad constitutional protections? It’s no wonder that today’s 17- and 22-year-olds have little appreciation for U.S. constitutional law, nor use for anyone who doesn’t completely share their political whims.

    It’s funny but this is exactly what was being warned about, years before this… that with the constant ratcheting down of our constitutional protections and evisceration of anything resembling “limited government” that you would get an entire generation for whom these things didn’t even exist in their scope of experience.

    If my outdated and quaint “reasonable expectation of privacy” is completely different from the voting populace, then whatever privacy or rights I used to enjoy are going to get pretty short shrift in the public debate.

    1. I tried warning my parents about that fucker FDR and what his normalization of the Imperial Presidency and the Swiss Army Government (No Job Too Big, No Job Too Small – We’ve Got the Tools To Do Them All) would do to America, but they just laughed and turned up the Benny Goodman on the Victrola. Now they can’t stop whining about their Social Security and their Medicare and their VA benefits and how it’s always too damn cold in here and somebody needs to do something about that and they can never find their glasses and somebody needs to do something about that, too. I’d have the old farts pushed off a cliff in their wheelchairs but I’m not sure which federal agency handles that and I damn sure ain’t doing it on my own, what the hell do I pay taxes for if they won’t even push people off cliffs when you need it done? Jesus, do they just expect you to do everything around here all by yourself?

      1. “Jesus, do they just expect you to do everything around here all by yourself?”
        Weird. I had the same thought wiping my ass this morning.

  12. “the entirety of millennials’ tenure so far as adults?who in the political mainstream has shown to young Americans that our society works because, not in spite, of our purportedly ironclad constitutional protections? It’s no wonder that today’s 17- and 22-year-olds have little appreciation for U.S. constitutional law, nor use for anyone who doesn’t completely share their political whims.”

    It’s almost like Hayek was right, or something.

    1. Or you could say it in one short sentence. Well played, Irish.

  13. believe subpar Bahn Mi sandwiches are an affront on human dignity.

    Do you not?

    1. Yeah, I can’t sign on to this. I got one on soft bread once and I wanted to crash the moon into the Earth.

    2. Not to derail the thread, but the Bahn Mi sandwich is a direct result of the French colonial influence on Vietnam, no?

      1. Yes. And therefore everyone who eats one is racist.

        1. Oh, I thought that if it was subpar, you were insulting traditional Vietnamese culture.

          1. Or maybe they were insulting French colonialism. Too meta for you?

        2. I show my racism to Vietnamese by insisting on anal and only going down on them when I feel like it (which, coincidentally, is every time).

          1. Lies make baby Jesus cry.

          2. That’s why they give you the 6th one for free.

            1. Apropos of nothing – when I was stationed in Okinawa 15 years ago, there was this old gunny in our detachment who regaled us with the stories of the old days in the Philippines when he was a young lance corporal, how when they used to go hit the bars on liberty there were bars that offered a free blowjob with the purchase of a few beers.

              Need those coupons to come back.

        3. For supporting the colonialism or for supporting the Vietnamese expropriation of French culture?

      2. Yeah. So is Pho. It’s french soup with vietnamese ingredients.

        1. That’s why it’s called Faux.

    3. Yeah, some things aren’t up for debate.

      /goes back to bowl of pho

  14. their stated goal, after all, is overcoming disparities in relative privilege, not perpetuating them

    Keyser Soze’s stated goal was to blow up a boat full of cocaine. His actual goal was revealed to be something quite different.

    1. Maybe I should watch that movie again. I think I’ve finally forgotten the plot well enough.

      1. Kobayashi is a porcelain bowl.

        1. Yeah, I have no idea what that means.

          1. I just ruined the movie for you. Thank me later.

            1. I thought it was a coffee cup.

              1. Yes, he was a coffee cup.

                1. And he was dead the whole time.

              2. I don’t remember. Shut your face.

      2. Even if you remember the plot in detail, it’s still a good watch.

      3. Maybe I should watch that movie again. I think I’ve finally forgotten the plot well enough.

        I just watched it again a few weeks ago. Freaking amazing.

        In hindsight i give more credit to Chris Mcquarrie than Bryan Singer. The film works because of how its written. There are some cute editing things (esp in the end) that help sell the reversal, but the casting and the writing did 90% of the work.

        1. I can’t imagine anyone else playing any of those parts.

      4. This will refresh your memory:

        https://youtu.be/6haBMbtXSLg

        1. BTW, Keanu is worth getting out off the house for.

    2. Keyser Soze’s stated goal was to blow up a boat full of cocaine. His actual goal was revealed to be something quite different.

      +1 Crispy Hungarian Man

      1. Now, I’m not saying SJW’s are exactly the same as Keyser Soze. They’re nowhere near as clever or competent.

  15. SJWs are a small, loud number of people that have an outsized influence in a largely irrelevant area of society. The alt-right is the same.

    They are both essentially internet trolls set loose in the real world. The way to deal with them would be to ignore them, but like internet trolls, that is the one thing that most people seem incapable of doing.

    It’s like if America was plagued by vampires and everyone was all like “Ew, wooden stakes are all grody,” and “Sunlight is for fags!”

    1. It could be argued that the only thing your average Trump fan controls is the local oval dirt track.

      SJWs on the other hand…

      1. They got a candidate through the primaries.

        1. KASICH STILL HAS A CHANCE!!!!

        2. Yeah? Well the SJWs got TWO through the primaries!

          1. No, they got one to lose a primary. Hillary will pay lip service to them, but Bernie’s popularity proves she doesn’t own them.

    2. I think your right on except I really don’t think the alt-right is in a position of influence in any area of society, yet mostly because the SJWs go there first. The SJW’s are a testament the power of being a squeaky wheel in an age where certain industries and institutions seem to be keenly aware, thanks to social media, of a marginal amount of consumers while looking to expand their product base because their existing markets are so saturated. The alt-right is just the response from the other side. See; NFL and the Universities

    3. Are you implying that tumblr isn’t representative of the American populace?

    4. SJWs run the college campuses in this country. They are a lot more powerful than internet trolls.

  16. You know, Lizzie, this is by far the best article you’ve ever had published here. I award you one gold star.

  17. WWIII when?
    We’ve got the National Socialists pitted against the International Socialists all over again. It’s only a matter of time before blood is shed over disagreements about things like bathroom policy.

    1. It’s only a matter of time before blood is shed over disagreements about things like bathroom policy.

      A member of the alt right is going to kick a SJW while she is attempting to empty her diva cup into a restroom sink, causing her menstrual blood to spill all over the place? I believe that.

      1. I was thinking the reverse, because hateful words are literally violence, and incitement to violence is always the inciter’s fault, so violence from the left is always justified because it’s fighting against a nebulous, institutionalized violence from society. Or something.

        But that could happen too!

      2. Is the alt-right anything like alt-country?

        1. Jeff Tweedy is kind of a dick…

    2. Or Poland?

  18. Whenever you find yourself tiring of defending the indefensible?

    Go, “OK fine,…. But [insert arbitrary perceived opposite] are Just as Bad!!”

    because surely the “alt-right*” must have ALSO been involved in hundreds of cases of =

    – denying others right to free-speech
    – stripping people of due process rights
    – destroying people’s careers
    – demanding special-powers/privileges/rights
    – receiving millions in taxpayer money to promote their causes

    ….right?

    because I really have no interest in anyone’s “theoretical Ideological-Equivalence”

    I only give a shit what people are trying to DO TO/DEMAND FROM ME. They are both free to believe whatever idiotic shit they want. That all changes when either try and impose their idiotic shit on others.

    And it seems to me (unless i’ve missed something) that there’s a notable disparity between the way these two groups of idiots impose themselves on others.

    (*see HM’s cute video contrasts of “SJWs at campus Trump event” versus “conservative attempts to quietly film campus commies”)

    1. This is exactly the right point. Nobody is getting fired over being a SJW. Not even that Erdely idiot. There are innumerable examples on the other side. SJWs on Twitter have no problem sending screenshots of tweets to people’s employers- for having unapproved expressed opinions.

      1. How many businesses have been sued and fined out of existence for being too far SJW? How many CEO’s have lost their jobs for giving to SJW causes?

        ENB and her fans have a blind spot. They refuse to admit that the right can ever have a point. That the SJWs could ever be wrose than the right. It is not that they support the SJWs. They just refuse to see them for what they are.

        1. Well, there was that guy who lost his job for harassing the girl at the drive in window at Chik-fil-A, but overall, yeah, almost no one.

  19. I do not think Trump is a full on white identity movement. But there are certainly people who would like it to be. And the more the elite and the media dismisses the legitimate concerns that Trump is bringing to light, the more likely we will get a no shit white identity movement in this country. If you don’t like Trump, just wait and see what who follows him looks like. You will learn to appreciate Trump very quickly.

    I don’t know what you do about it. The Democratic Party and the Progressive movement has decided to base its politics on the idea that every group but white people can assert their racial identity. The white progs love this for two reason, it keeps minorities voting for Democrats and it allows them to by virtue of being Democrats fee superior to other white people.

    That little game cannot last forever. Eventually no prog whites will start playing identity politics too. And when that happens, we are going to have a real problem on our hands.

    1. I agree with this 100%. Simply telling people their beliefs are racist, and unworthy of discussion doesn’t stop people from having them, and all it does push a lot of reasonable people out of politics. At least until they vote for the first loud mouthed demagogue who isn’t afraid to start saying out loud all these beliefs.

      Be thankful it’s Trump, because I think over Europe they’re going to end voting for no shit full blown Nazis, unless some more reasonable political parties start addressing the people’s concern over immigration and Islam.

      1. That is what I can’t get my conservative friends to get through their thick skulls, this is not about Trump. If Trump loses this fall, his supporters are still going to be there and they will just find someone else to take up their cause or worse drop out of politics altogether and resort to other means.

        I think the refusal to face this reality is behind the bizarre and obsessive contention that Trump is leading a cult of personality. If it is just a cult of personality, it goes away with Trump and can be forgotten. A lot of people are desperate to believe that.

  20. I hate to tell you guys this, but your irreverence, willingness to gore leftist sacred cows, making jokes about Hitler and deviant sexual acts and race and Jews, even if all in light hearted good fun, makes you all the godfathers of the alt-right. This place is Ground Zero for young rightish libertarians willing to troll Leftists, mock Vox, Gawker, Jezebel, microaggressions and trigger warnings.

    They learned it from watching you, dad.

    1. Define “deviant sexual acts”

      1. The entire SugarFree canon is sufficient.

    2. yes, but “irreverence” isn’t really the forte of the Alt-right.

      Go read the comments @ TakiMag.

      1. I don’t think the thrust of this piece was about TakiMag/VDare crowd though, was it? Think it’s more the 4Chan/Reddit types that are mostly pimping Trump for the lulz.

        1. Correct. There’s Derbyshire alt right and there’s Lauren Southern / Milo alt right.

        2. Think it’s more the 4Chan/Reddit types that are mostly pimping Trump for the lulz.

          meh. I know nothing of that world.

          The “Alt Right” as far as i am familiar with it… was born with the VDare set over a decade ago. and they have a few niches in the light of day like AmRen, others… and Taki’s is the closest thing they have to some parallel version of Reason. a “Culture & Politics” mag.

    3. OH NO! WHAT HAVE I DONE?!????!!!!

    4. Well. That’s the only positive thing I’ve read all day.

  21. “The most significant dividing line in our current politics isn’t between left and right but individualism vs. collectivism,” suggested Jack Hunter this week at Breitbart. It’s become something of a common axiom in libertarian political circles and among the allegedly liberty-respecting right. But while “cultural libertarians” and their ilk claim to stand in contrast to the left’s collectivist impulses, these groups?the Reddit-era heirs of ’90s-style paleoconservatism, according to Hunter?are every bit as collectivist as their alleged enemies.

    I think it should be pointed out that Jack Hunter is a no kidding racist ass clown who started his career as a radio host named “The Confederate Avenger” and who joked about flogging black people and much worse.

    Whatever the truth about the alt-right, that despicable ass clown is not the one to be saying it. He shouldn’t have a career in journalism and no one should be paying any attention to what he has to say about anything.

  22. Everyone I disagree with is a collectivist.

    1. Au contraire, good sir; I observe that, despite your assertions, you are in fact a towel.

    2. All Trump supporters are ignorant statists dupes worshiping a cult of personality.

      Damn I hate collectivists.

      signed

      Reasonite.

      1. All Trump supporters

        Who are not the alt right. You are making that connection.

        1. It was a joke.

  23. The SJWs are what made the alt-right possible.

    The idea of judging people, and groups based of race and identity was all but completely discredited, but SJWs came in and made it legitimate to judge people and institutions by race and identity in public, and in politics again. It was only a matter of time before the white nationalists joined in too.

    And I’m not sure how you’re going stop white nationalism now. In past you could point out that judging people off characteristics that had no choice in (race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc) was wrong, but the SJWs have burnt that idea to the ground.

    In a very short amount of time the SJWs seem to have destroyed Martin Luther King Jr’s dream of a colorblind society, and I find it very depressing. It makes me serious question whether or not any sort of racial harmony is even possible, or is history just a long timeline of one group trying to oppress another. Maybe there is no point in bothering anymore, maybe the only thing you can do is try to make sure your group is the one in power, and not the other.

    Humanity really bums me out sometimes.

    1. I think you are probably right. The SJWs took what was becoming a pretty color blind society and have done everything they possibly can to piss all over it. But somehow Elizabeth thinks the inevitable and foreseeable consequences of that is somehow not their fault.

    2. Well you see, we had to sow racial discord in order to achieve racial justice. What could possibly go wrong?

      1. A group like Stormfront should really send the SJWs a thank you note, they’re ridiculous anti-white bigotry has no doubt swelled the ranks of Stormfront, and every other neo-nazi organization.

        And who could blame a white kid growing up today, listening to his dumbass teachers tell him that he’s responsible for all the world’s problems, talking about how great every group on Earth’s accomplishments are, while at the same time being told everything white Europeans made is total shit. Who could blame that kid from just eventually saying “Fuck it I’m joining Stormfront, I’m joining the white power movement.”

        1. To put it a different way if you’re growing up in a society that promotes an anti-white message, and the only pro-white message you hear is from these various internet white nationalist groups, and you’re a young white male at that age where they’re still looking for a sense of identity what do you do?

          1. I think there’s something to that. The alt-right was barely a thing; relegated to the darkest corners of the Internet until recently. When people can joke about white genocide in polite company, public schools removing white kids from elected positions because not enough diversity, and the barrage of self-loathing inflicted by universities, you end up fostering resentment from people who realize something is amiss. Injustices committed to correct fabricated “injustices”. A reactionary movement is born.

    3. Hence the modern tower of Babble that the U.S has become will collapse and its people will be spread about the world speaking incoherently to each other. Is this history repeating itself from those who will not learn from history. I say yes.

    4. Racial harmony is possible because multiracial couples will blur the borders enough that it’s harder and harder for race to be a reliable marker for us versus them. I mean, I’m a lily white Christian male with ancestors that fought for the CSA in the war of northern aggression, but I also have black adopted family members and mixed race blood relatives.

      If you tell me I have to think of black people as Them, you’re asking me to hate my own cute little baby cousins. Over the few generations, I think most everyone in the US is going to be in same boat. If anyone loses out, it will be the communities obsessed with racial purity, who will become more and more isolated from the rest of society.

      1. Mind you, I’m not saying we won’t keep hating on the basis of culture or religion or ideology. I just think racism, specifically, is living on borrowed time in the US.

    5. The idea of judging people, and groups based of race and identity was all but completely discredited, but SJWs came in and made it legitimate to judge people and institutions by race and identity in public, and in politics again.

      SJWs made it legitimate and even *praiseworthy* to stoke racial hatred and institute legally mandated racial privilege.

      What’s surprising is that it took almost 50 years for whites to push back against their government enforced second class racial status. What was inevitable is that some whites would respond *in kind*.

    6. Martin Luther King Jr’s dream of a colorblind society

      MLK was a racial separatist, so there’s that. It’d be nice if everybody tripping over themselves to claim his legacy would take a closer look at it so they could realize they probably don’t want it.

  24. ENB is sitting at home on her computer, laughing maniacally and saying, “Dance, puppets! Dance!”

    If she isn’t, she should be.

    1. That is not fair. I think she brings up a serious issue. I don’t agree with her take but I don’t think she is trolling or just making shit up.

      1. Entertain the thought that you misunderstood my post, John. Just once. Pretty please and with tits on top.

        NSFW.

        1. if this is what it takes to get Phoebe Cates, please keep misunderstanding, John!

        2. Sorry I missed your point. But thanks for the tits.

      2. Robby and I have been talking about this idea since around December. (We agree in part & disagree in part.) KMW discouraged both of us from writing about it at first precisely b/c it seemed too troll-y, but enough time passed and the Trump fans online started getting increasingly ridiculous (this week some are busy decrying anti-Trump ‘hate speech’) that it started to seem more and more like a defensible comparison. So yeah, fwiw, not trying to troll. Well, maybe just a little… but I do believe my own babbling here at least

        1. I am outraged because once again all of my biases have been confirmed.

        2. I just hope you are not hanging out with Jack Hunter. That guy is scum.

        3. the only reason anyone is talking about Trump “hate speech” is to poison pill the concept. No righty believes in hate speech as a credible concept.

    2. Did you just call me a puppet?

      1. Well, you do pretty much always have somebody’s hand up you…

    3. The thread seems fairly sedate.

      1. I think we worked out most of our cosmo bashing needs for the day earlier on Suderman.

    4. Stop it, only John can say for sure what ENB thinks.

    5. If she wanted us to dance, she could just post another abortion piece.

      1. Agreed. this is too-high a word-count to qualify as trolling.

  25. that time has long since past.

    *passed

    1. This kind of thing never happened when Tim Cavanaugh was quietly judging everything.

  26. I love you ENB. Fantastic article.

    1. Out of curiosity, what did you make of the “Rodeo/Clowns” thing? I still don’t know what that means. maybe you can explain.

      1. At first I thought it was a metaphor for this not being a political environment of their making.

        But it may be a play on this?

        1. The young people of today’s college protests and Twitter mobs certainly aren’t blameless in all this. But it’s important to keep in mind that this isn’t their rodeo and these aren’t their clowns.

          “‘this not being a political environment of their making.””

          I’m still not sure.

          I’m pretty sure the current “Transgender Toilet Controversy” is pretty much “their rodeo”

          If the SJWs had been around when Tom DeLay and Trent Lott and Dick Armey were running congress and the Social Conservatives were politically dominant, etc…. I would think that was very much they case = that they were just a counter-reaction to a shitty political environment.

          But they seem to have become ascendant mainly at a time when no one is actually opposing them.

      2. And why are you asking me?

        1. Maybe you understood what she was on about there?

      3. I think she’s taking a new twist on “not my clowns, not my circus”.

  27. Well, this is guaranteed to be a clusterfuck. What’s the over/ under on someone using the term “cuck” unironically in this thread?

    1. I only see one, and it’s clearly ironic.

    2. Hey, you sound like a beta cuck virgin. You’re almost almost as bad as that guy who tried to destroy the white race by slipping cuckold references into a Nickelodeon show and I bet you spend every day masturbating to the idea of White Genocide.

      Vote trump or GTFO

      1. Awwww… I just love the sight of nationalsocialist republicans shitting their Depends and praying for libertarians to throw away spoiler votes bailing out their floundering prohibitionist hulk!

        The smell… well… that’s another matter.

    3. Am I not keeping up with the Lingo?

      Is “cuck” supposedly a signal that they are from somewhere in the MRA/PUA/racist dickbag sphere of infulence?

      I’ve only been called a “cuck” by 1 prog-derp type. Was he appropriating some internet culture?

      Or is this just a new generic insult?

        1. got it. thanks.

    4. Ironically, other than one SJW troll uptread, it really hasn’t been a cluster fuck. It has been a pretty reasonable thread.

    5. Tough to say – wouldn’t you need a woman in the first place to have someone else fuck her? That right there eliminates a large chunk of people on this thread.

      Not me, of course.

    6. “Cuck” is a perfectly cromulent word. It identifies a leftist just as surely as GOPe, alpha, beta, cishetero, problematic, or chai latte. The left is all about identity politics – you got your blacks, your gays, your women, your disabled, your whatevers – but the constant need to run purity checks to kick out anybody who isn’t “authentic” enough means that even as the number of groups expands the absolute number of members shrinks. Since the whole point of this identity politics crap is to spend all your time arguing for why you deserve a bigger piece of the pie rather than doing anything to actually create a bigger pie, eventually you’ll have everybody just taking pieces of pie away from each other and nobody winds up getting any pie. The alt-right is just another identity group looking for their fair share of the pie, but they insist they aren’t an identity group. Sure you are – you’re the identity group who insists you’re not an identity group. That’s your fucking identity, you asshole.

      In the meantime, us individualists are going to be over here baking pies and all those inauthentic blacks and gays and women and disabled and whatevers are going to wander over, see what we’re doing and decide “pie-maker” is as good an identity as any and nobody’s going to say shit about whether you’re black or gay or female or disabled as long as you’re helping make the pies.

    7. Hi, cuck!

  28. Hyperbolic Keyboard Warrior: I’m changing my tag to that if one of you hasn’t beat me to it.

  29. I like how the headline says “Trump fan” but the screed is about some arbitrary subpopulation, whereas SJW is not equated with Hillary Fan.

    Is that bait and switch, or stealing a base? I am confused on my rhetorical metaphors.

  30. Something about that headline looks familiar.

    1. To be fair, a lot of people have had the same thought.

      After all, you know who else wanted to stop whites from appropriating non-white culture?

  31. in fairness to ENB, only one side of this dispute has noble goals, so keep that in mind.

    1. only one side of this dispute has noble goals

      I think she’s right = IF you accept the fact that the ‘stated’ goals of the Left have anything to do with their real ones.

      (Someone else eloquently pointed this out above)

      of course they don’t.

      I don’t actually know WTF the ‘goals’ of the Alt-Right are (aside from being racist dicks), but as i’ve already noted myself – they don’t seem interested in constantly fucking with other people nearly as much.

    2. Is “noble” still a euphemism for mystical, altruistic and sacrifical (as in Herbert Hoover, Prohibition, the Noble Experiment)?

  32. I have a softer spot for Trump fags over social justice warriors for one reason–it hasn’t dawned on Trump fags, yet, that Trump is a sheep in wolf’s clothing.

    They really want to believe that Trump is the real deal, that he’s a plain truth guy that represents the voice of the people, that he’ll finally set things right.

    Social justice warriors don’t believe half the crap they say themselves–they’re just willing to say anything that will help them reach their goals, and they expect that kind of behavior from their candidates, too. You can’t break their sense of integrity. They never had any.

    But Trump fags are going to be genuinely surprised and heartbroken when Trump betrays their trust. It’s gonna be like going to your high school reunion and finding that your old flame you’ve been wondering “what if” about for all those years–went and got a sex change operation. When Trump turns out to be just like Hillary in so many bad ways–and much worse than Hillary in others–it’s gonna blow their little minds and break their little hearts.

    If Trump wins, the Trump fags will probably sit there and defend his Hillary policies, too. I’ll lose sympathy for them at that point. Poor little Trump fags.

    1. Ken,

      You need to explain that to every liberal I know because they are all convinced Trump is the new Mussulini. It is going to be one hell of a surprise to them that he is really an SJW.

      1. I know the Social Justice Warriors are shitheads, John.

        I just said I prefer Trump fags to Social Justice Warriors.

        I believe in my heart that the Trump fags genuinely mean well.

        The Social Justice Warriors are only principled in their disdain for individual rights, and ignoring the right of people to make choices for themselves is the essence of evil.

        The Trump fags are just terribly confused–mostly because they want to believe that electing the right politician is the answer. I think Trump is taking advantage of their good instincts, their patriotism, and their sense of hopelessness. Let’s hope they wake up before he gets them to drink the Kool-Aid.

        1. The Trump fags are just terribly confused–mostly because they want to believe that electing the right politician is the answer.

          This is exceptionally retarded. If by Trump fags, you mean the normies, then that could be said about every potus candidate ever. If you mean the alt-right, you’re talking about people who are almost entirely former/current libertarians, ancaps, and NRx — IOW people who understand the relationship between culture, power, and electoral politics as well as anyone.

          1. You’re not going to get much realistic perspective re: Trump here. He provokes a lot of odd perceptions.

          2. I’m contrasting them to the social justice warriors.

            The social justice warriors don’t really care about integrity.

            The Trump fags care a lot about integrity. That’s part of why they responds to Trump being politically incorrect. They’re reading that as a signal of integrity.

            Being susceptible to integrity puts the Trump fags head and shoulders above the social justice warriors.

            I’m susceptible to that kind of temptation myself. I believe getting the wrong person in office can make things worse, but I don’t really believe that getting the right person in power is the solution to our problems. On the other hand, I keep hoping I’m wrong about that, that someone like Rand Paul will get into office, and surprise the hell out of me.

            In addition to thinking that getting the right politicians is the solution to our problems, Trump fags also think that Trump is the right politician. That isn’t necessarily evil.

            Social justice warriors’ contempt for individual rights is necessarily evil. Their lack of susceptibility to appeals to integrity makes them more evil than they would be otherwise. That Trump fags are susceptible to appeals to integrity makes them vulnerable, but it’s also a positive in my book. I too want to believe. I just can’t believe in Trump–or any of his arguments about anything, really. He’s the anti-Reagan. He’s the anti-Goldwater. He’s a Democrat in all but name.

            1. And when the Republican faithful realize that, it’s gonna break their hearts. At least, I hope so. I’d hate to think they’re all about to become Democrats.

            2. WHICH TRUMP FAGS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

              1. He’s just pontificating on his pet theory that Trump is the ultimate crypto-Democrat.

            3. I don’t think Trumpists outside the personality cult see him as a man of integrity, so much as they see him as living, breathing middle finger to a social elite that openly despises them and which is materially hostile to their interests.

            4. Better social justice warriors than warriors for the babies. Communism is headed for the dustbin really fast because we can recall it clearly. Christian National Socialism is what our parents and grandparents developed nuclear weapons to vaporize. Few people understand what it is, and it has been swelling and moving into the ecological niche vacated by other communo-fascist variants of socialism. Already five American parties are infected by it: Prohi, Tea, Constitution, Green and Republican.

              Surely five is enough.

        2. -mostly because they want to believe that electing the right politician is the answer. I

          I thought we were talking about Trump here and not Cruz. They only people I know who are convinced electing the right top man will fix things are conservatives who think electing a “constitutional conservative” whatever that means, will fix all of our problems. The Trump people I know are much more cynical and sophisticated than that.

          Do they think Trump will do some good things? Sure but do do the supporters of every of politician. I think your smug condescension is misplaced ken.

      2. Hard to see Trump people as SJW-like, but maybe I’m observing the wrong circles.

        On Twitter at least they appear to be highly effective trolls.

    2. it hasn’t dawned on Trump fags, yet, that Trump is a sheep in wolf’s clothing.

      Sure it has. Everyone knows that there are no guarantees about Trump, while there are with Hillary.

      That’s why Trump’s side is where hope is at. We know we’re screwed with Hillary or the cucks, but *maybe* not with Trump.

  33. A comment i made back on the “Cultural Conservatives” post which i think is sort of apropos…

    (paraphrased)

    “”It sometimes seems like Reason is engaged in perpetual process of vigorously distancing itself from people who share *some* libertarian views…. in order to remain congenial with people who share absolutely none“”

    and maybe that should be qualified; because i expect someone would then point to lots of articles which suggest that – in fact – progressives and libertarians actually share TONS in common!

    namely: the holy-trinity of “weed, ass-sex, mexicans”

    I’ve never myself seen those as real examples of ‘things held in common’ ;

    To me they’re just phenomena where libertarans and leftists coincidentally end up with the same (or similar) conclusions from entirely-different reasoning. The same people who we think “agree” on the drug war are meanwhile banning Vaping everywhere; the same people who we think share our appreciation of “living life however you choose” want to prevent people from homeschooling; their openness to immigration is tempered by a passion for restricting businesses from moving overseas… etc. etc.

    1. You are quite right about the weed, ass-sex and Mexicans overlap. Many progressives may superficially agree with many libertarians on that (though there is clearly not much of a libertarian consensus on the Mexicans part), but they get there for completely different reasons.

    2. Smoke a bowl for Bernie! Because your pot ration won’t last long when the industry is nationalized.

      1. Will Lee Iacocca be put in charge of Hemp For Victory, with a billion-dollar subsidy?

    3. I agree. It started with the millenial polls. Reason seems to be under the impression that the social liberalism of millenials and their desire to sell their own fair-trade artisinal mayonnaise resembles classical liberalism. It doesn’t.

    4. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. Just because the wolves agree that the foxes shouldn’t be guarding the henouse doesn’t mean the wolves are any better at protecting your chickens.

      1. Henouse? Yes, I’m half-cockney and I only drop half my aitches.

    5. “”It sometimes seems like Reason is engaged in perpetual process of vigorously distancing itself from people who share *some* libertarian views…. in order to remain congenial with people who share absolutely none””

      Noticed this pattern too, but don’t know yet why it happens. I just like to make sarcastic comments about it.

    6. Another mystical bigot angling for libertarian spoiler votes to save the rotting hulk of genocidal prohibitionist conservatism? Why should I throw away 90% of my vote’s law changing power to please crowds who point guns at me?

      1. Another mystical bigot angling for libertarian spoiler votes to save the rotting hulk of genocidal prohibitionist conservatism?

        What on earth are you talking about?

        1. I think Hank’s Michael Hihn’s retarded bastard child.

    7. This is an excellent comment

    8. “”It sometimes seems like Reason is engaged in perpetual process of vigorously distancing itself from people who share *some* libertarian views…. in order to remain congenial with people who share absolutely none””

      They want to oppose some Progressive policies, but immediately bend over when faced with the moral condemnation from Progressives.

      “Please, oh please don’t call me a racist! I’ll do *anything*.”

      Cucktarians.

      1. maybe.

        Let me add something =

        Back when Ron Paulites were a strong, emerging cadre within libertarian circles (2004-2008?), I was one of a few people saying,

        “Every good political movement needs to purge the retards from its ranks from time to time”

        Not that all Paulites were retards, of course… but there were definitely some race-mongers and 9/11 truthers among them. What i saw was a blend of characters and realized that the 80% that were cool were going to get fucked by the 20% who were batshit crazy assholes.

        There was no real consensus here @ H&R. But i think as time passed the kookier Paulites sort of purged themselves.

        re: these Alt-Righters… I can see having the same view of them. Some aren’t *horrible*, but many are simply unacceptable douchnozzles.

        So i have no problem holding *some* apparent allies at arms length in order to preserve one’s credibility and reputation. In fact i endorse the idea.

        What i find retarded and disturbing is that this mag currently seems to not only go out of its way to distance itself from so-called ‘cultural libertarians’…

        ….but repeatedly keeps suggesting that aspects of the SJW-set are somehow natural-allies who we should better-appreciate.

        Basically it seems to me to be this = They’re not “purging the right-wing kooks” in order to protect the core-libertarian principles = they’re trying to CHANGE the core principles in order to make themselves more appealing to “left wing kooks”

    9. (*note = that was referencing the “Cultural Libertarians” article ENB wrote, not “Conservatives”)

    10. It’s exactly the same thing with the socons, though. Libertarians believe that business should be able to decide who to serve because of individual freedom. Socons believe “gays are icky and are destroying marriage!” Most socons who favor “religious liberty” bills would be outraged if, say, Ben & Jerry’s were to refuse to serve Christians.

  34. In fact, I don’t consider them socially liberal at all. E.g. they are completely “tolerant” of Islam, but sneer at Christianity.

    1. There are a lot of people out there who are both Christian and lefty SJW types. The fucking Pope, for starters.

      1. Zeb, if Jesus a fucking SJW, too? Love you neighbor by friend Zeb? Or is it one armed camp against the other.

  35. Hi..ok I agree with this. But. Who else but government could have stopped child labor, dangerous worker conditions, slavery, etc? Unless you approved of these things! Haha, just kidding! I am dig! A proud Theodore Roosevelt Republican! Also an Obama liker…OMG!

  36. Wow calling them equal to SJW’s, now you’re getting nasty.

  37. So is this ENB’s way of saying she is done with the millenial beat?

  38. Better that the Trump denazification of the GOP is really pissing off “warriors for the babies” baboons. No matter how awful Trump is pretending to be, he likes libertarians, is gutting and crippling the mystical antichoice bigot stranglehold on God’s Own Prohibitionists and is opening up broad opportunities for the original LP that wrote the 1972 platform.

    There is only one problem with standing around when a big game hunter takes down a slaveholder’s beast of burden: the parasites try to migrate to the nearest warm body. Better that GOP parasites migrate to the Prohi, Tea and Co-institution parties. The LP needs to be pro-choice and–for a change–welcoming to women who vote.

    1. This is why I cringe every time I see a #NeverTrump Conservatard pearl-clutcher vow they’re going LP.

  39. WTF, one of the pictures accompanying the posts shows a black guy with a Trump poster. Almost as if there’s something wrong with the narrative.

    I’m tired of people making me defend Trump – it’s like George W. Bush, I don’t agree with him, but the lefty/cosmotarian accusations are so over the top…

    1. There’s a lot of pro-Trump blacks around where I live. I suspect it’s a bigger phenomenon than anyone’s willing to admit.

  40. False equivalence I would think, and on more than one level. The SJW passion or hate of the moment is paid attention to by the media and our institutions both public and private and has huge influence. People get fired, contracts lost, and reality distorted with people falling over themselves to keep up. Its also a false equivalence in the more direct sense that at rallies and protests and so on, the left actively tries to silence their opponents. I listen to democracy now almost every day and I hear them interview organizers who literally brag about shutting events down. There isn’t any kind of equivalent movement to shut down Sanders/Clinton rallies. Thats a direct authoritarian attack on freedom of assembly, as guaranteed by the first amendment.

  41. While I agree that neoconservatives and SJWs/progressives are “Two Sides of the Same Authoritarian Coin” (in fact I’ve used that exact phrase to describe them), I’m not convinced that cultural libertarians should be included in that condemnation. Their stated goal is to fight both left-wing and right-wing authoritarians. They might not be perfect by Reason’s standards, but they’re actually fighting back against the tide of SJW bullshit, and they know how to use new media to that end.

  42. At this point everyone is voting, and socially signaling with their middle finger. IMHO this is a good thing.
    The price of wisdom is pain.

      1. Hyperbole of course. I do not condone violence of any sort. =D

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  50. RE: Trump Fans and ‘Social Justice Warriors,’ Two Sides of the Same Authoritarian Coin
    Both the social-justice left and the alt-right view the world primarily through identity politics.

    Hey, what’s a little fascism and totalitarianism between friends?

  51. In the old days it would have been called polarization. There began a change with computers. Christopher Lasch
    mentioned the computer aspect in ’92 I think it was. Actually it was information. It was “mental.” It was knowledge.
    At that time some schools had computers and some didn’t. But in ways we all know the “digital divide” has continued on.

    I now know a better “frame” with a better term than “polarization.” The term is “undifferentiation.” There are
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    there’s time to imitate. It’s ok when you imitate virtues in another, in many others. But in very good times people
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    begin walking around thinking they’ve embodied the “being” or persona of a group they favor. When media gives the message that there’s space to be what you want to be in so many, many different personal universes…well, many folks come to believe they alone have the real realization of the mojo of their group. In reality I think media have come to foster so many universes to divide us. Ultimately it pays. But the important thing is that for many more people (even within one such cultural sub-category), there’s the means to do heavy imitation. So that there are many who believe they embody the essences completely…embody them best.

    cont (I’ll try anyway)

  52. cont from above

    This embodying is an irrational thing. Superstitious. One has all the essences of the group to demonstrate as
    indicators that another who errantly believes he does too…is wrong. But that is only within one group. The groups
    can also come against one another, each member sending him or herself onward into battle with the group’s mojo. The right magic. You think you’ve lived and labored to acquire it, but you haven’t lived any years yet.

    As this happens more and more in society, there are more challenges. And as media hypes brands more and more, the sub-groups meld into larger conglomerates which always become more the same…since the “in” products are, alas, limited in number. So that more and more one is involved with models/examples closer in nature to those of other sub-groups. This is on only a few levels. On the music and books level, I’ll admit myriad tribes maintain themselves somewhat as is…or as are. Anyway, in our case today the products have a lot to do with indicating what the model/example DESIRES. All of this above is people wanting to desire what these models desire…they want the “being” of the model. The model/example today has a computer, and the computer provides shortcuts for the observant…for the knowledgeable.

    cont

  53. cont from above

    The computer provides information on which to judge the merits of more social spending versus spending handed over to private entities/organizations. So all are very knowledgeable. All in a way have become geeks. Your guy’s youtubes have run out, and you wake up listening to the Duck Dynasty guy spouting on and on like he’s got something to say. He’s knowledgeable too, oh yes indeed. Whereas “mods” and “rockers” and “straights” and hippies and ivy-leaguers accepted their own ignorance on some scores back when, today something’s changed on that score. Lasch saw it.

    People have lost these accepted differences I just mentioned. You say, “No, there are a zillion tribes out there on
    their own trips.” What I mean is they’ve lost the realization that sub-cultures other than theirs have their own
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    cont

  54. cont from above

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    external mediation – when the desire to imitate involves imitating one attribute or another, a natural and often positive thing, not an intense desire…even unconscious desire…to become a clone

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