Election 2016

"Libertarians: Just Say No to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump!"

P.J. O'Rourke is voting for Hillary and Peter Thiel is a Trump delegate. WTF?

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I'm happy to acknowledge that P.J. O'Rourke is one of the (many) reasons I consider myself libertarian—and why I wanted to write for a living. My first intro to him was in the pages of National Lampoon way, way back in the day. His stuff there wasn't political in the typical sense of the word but looking back, I can see an antinomian streak in his work that generally didn't appear in the his colleagues' work (as he and others tell it, they tended to come from more-privileged backgrounds and so were perhaps less invested in really destroying things than him).

His post-Lampoon work, especially his 1980s reportage for Rolling Stone may be the last time that mag had a great prose stylist who was also regularly churning out fantastic pieces of New Journalism worth a damn. In the late '80s, I was writing for a variety of music, movie, and teen mags and his example motivated me to work harder and try to get better at writing, reporting, and analysis. 

So it was with some sadness that I learned (at Reason, earlier this week) that O'Rourke is backing Hillary Clinton in 2016. WTF! This, from a guy who released a book in 2010 called Don't Vote: It Just Encourages the Bastards. Sure, he's not proud of it or happy, either, writing in The Daily Beast:

"Hillary is wrong about everything," he averred. "She is to politics and statecraft what Pope Urban VIII and the Inquisition were to Galileo. She thinks the sun revolves around herself."

While still reeling from the news that a member of my personal libertarian pantheon is part of the #imwithher crowd, I learned that Peter Thiel, the billionaire libertarian co-founder of PayPal and a major factor in a bunch of other businesses and platforms that have made the world a freer, better place, is a Trump delegate in California! Double WTF!!!

Just a few years ago, Thiel was singing the libertarian tune of better-living-beyond-politics and it sure sounded pretty goddman sweet to my ears.

"Politics is about interfering with other people's lives without their consent," wrote Thiel in 2009. "Thus, I advocate focusing energy elsewhere, onto peaceful projects that some consider utopian." 

Thiel wasn't just talking the talk, either. He was (and is still, I assume) backing seasteading, life extension, and all sorts of "utopian" plans. Good on him.

I don't begrudge these guys (or anyone else) the desire to vote for somebody who might, you know, actually become president. But as I write in a new Daily Beast column, there's got to be a better way to influence both presidential politics than shoveling whatever gruel is slopped on our plates every four years. To that end, I write:

At the very least, I'd urge either [O'Rourke or Thiel]—not to mention the rest of the country—to think about going outside of the major parties and voting Libertarian as a way to potentially drag politics into the 21st century.

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil and it's not at all clear to me that the road to better candidates—not to mention smaller government—runs through either Cleveland or Philadelphia this summer.

Read the full piece here.

David Deeble http://twitter.com/daviddeeble

I've already announced my interntion of voting for the Libertarian Party candidate in the fall, just like i've voted Libertarian since 1988. I have no loyalty to the LP (and to the best of my recollection, I've never been a registered member), it's just I find its platform in keeping with my views.

In case Trump and Clinton, or party honchos, are reading, I do want to underscore that my vote is probably the easiest goddamn vote in the country to get. I'd love to vote for a winner at some level of government (which I haven't done since high-school class elections).

If a major-party candidate actually articulated one or more of the following, I'd almost certainly vote for him or her: state a non-interventionist foreign policy built around trade and engagement, rather than leading with military concerns; pledge to cut year-over-year spending or even just promise to freeze spending for a year; tackle entitlement spending; declare an end to culture-war bullshit and embrace abortion rights, marriage equality, and at least pot legalization (if not full-on drug legalization); promise to make it easier for immigrants and everybody else to legally enter and work in the United States; support robust speech rights in all contexts and not say (as both The Donald and Clinton have done this campaign) that parts of the internet have to be shut down or policed because of terrorism.

That list is non-exhaustive, of course, but what are the odds that the presumptive nominee of either the Democratic or Republican Party will embrace any of that this time around? Or even 2020?

This election, I'm voting Libertarian with some real enthusiasm. In 2012, Gary Johnson had the best showing in decades, pulling over 1 million votes and getting around 1 percent of the vote. If the LP really seizes the moment, it could realistically crack double digits in terms of the percentage of votes cast. Indeed, an early (read: meaningless) Monmouth University Poll even had Johnson getting 11 percent of the vote in a three-way race with Clinton and Trump. If the LP candidate (who will be chosen at the end of May) either does that or covers the spread between Trump and Clinton, the Republicans and Democrats will have to pay attention. As I never tire of pointing, these are two old and tired brands that are in various stages of breakdown, implosion, and dissolution. They need to retool and reboot and a strong showing by the LP in the presidential race may force either or both parties to adapt libertarian policies and positions going forward.

We are never going to get better (read: more libertarian) candidates until the major parties realize they need to cater to our interests. We've won the culture wars and many important ideological and policy battles. According to Gallup's taxonomy, voters who are "libertarian" (meaning socially liberal and fiscally conservative) are the single-largest bloc out there, bigger even than conservatives. The "libertarian moment" was left for dead when Rand Paul suspended his campaign in late 2015. I understand why conservatives and liberals, Republicans and Democrats want to believe that, but it's wrong. Regardless of Rand Paul or any other politician, the plain fact is the United States is not just moving toward a more-libertarian mind-set but actually adopting libertarian policies and priorities when it comes to criminal justice reform, public-sector pensions, K-12 education, infrastructure spending, and more.

As Matt Welch and I wrote in The Declaration of Independents, politics is a lagging indicator of where America has already headed. For all sorts of reasons—including a state-enforced duopoly and guaranteed revenue streams—change will come last to politics. There's a good prima facie case that that is exactly what we are seeing. For god's sake, how else are we supposed to make sense of Donald Trump (!) taking over the GOP? And Bernie Sanders, effectively a joke candidate (and like all joke candidates, not very funny), forcing Hillary Clinton to break a sweat to win a nomination she should have sewn up in 2008?

What is it that old Ron Paul meme used to say? Oh yeah: IT'S HAPPENING! Or, same thing: It won't happen until we make it happen. And we're already down at least two libertarians, so we can't afford to lose any more.

In 2014, Reason sat down with P.J. O'Rourke to discuss his funny and moving book, The Baby Boom: How it Got That Way and It Wasn't My Fault and I'll Never Do it Again, his millennial children, his career, and the massive changes roiling the journalism industry.

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  1. Trump’s haberdasher may be the only living man more embarassed than his barber

    1. WHY!?

  2. “Double WTF: My Liberatarian Interntions”

  3. O’Rourke is backing Hillary Clinton in 2016

    Well, to be fair, he’s pushing 70. Probably getting senile.

  4. So what you’re saying is you’re going to vote for Hillary? Typical.

    1. WHYCUMP GILLEPSIE AND TREASON MAGASINE LET HELLARY WIN BY NOT VODING TRUMB

      1. Hillary can’t win. Nick and Matt want to stand with Jennifer Rubin and George Will on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY.

        1. No, Nick is indicating voting for a vag is the right side of history.

          Maybe the right side of hysterectomy.

    2. So you can’t read?

  5. It is going to be The Hildebeast or The Donald.

    Pick your poison.

      1. It’s not. One of them will be elected in November, and it will be the same one whether you vote Hillary, Donald, or Mickey Mouse.

        1. Thanks for cutting my Socratic exchange short. 🙁

            1. +1 Chris Knight

        2. Or….

          Hillary actually does get indicted and The Donald’s persuasion-fu finally craters under the weight of the narcissism…

          And then….

          Bloomberg!

          Don’t laugh. It isn’t as dumb as Trump being the Republican nominee.

          1. Hillary Clinton’s already letting it be known that she will not be dropping out of the race if she’s indicted, and there’s no legal requirement that she needs to do so. She’s in the race until she’s convicted or the voters tell her she’s done. You have to have a capacity for shame to do something like give up the chase for power because of your criminal activity…being a sociopath and a Clinton she lacks that capacity.

            In all seriousness, she would probably stab an infant to death on live TV if she thought it would get her into the White House.

            1. In all seriousness, she would probably stab an infant to death on live TV if she thought it would get her into the White House.

              *laces up shoes*

              Rather explicit endorsement of abortion rights, no?

              *runs*

    1. Why pick your poison? Just kick both glasses over and melt the giant’s eyeball.

      1. I thought he burrowed through the giant’s eyeball… which is even better.

      2. I thought he was immune to iocane powder?!

    2. It will be, but that doesn’t mean we have to vote for one of them.

      Poland was bound to be ruled by either Hitler or Stalin, but that didn’t mean they had to cheer for either.

  6. My strategy was an early mail in ballot for Trump then a quick sex change and new identity and then go vote for Hillary.

  7. If I’m gonna vote LP, can I at least get a more interesting candidate than Gary Johnson? :\

    1. Gary Johnson is a “Republican Who Smokes Pot”.

      He’s:

      Socially liberal: “bake that gay cake or we’ll lock you in a cage, bigot”

      Fiscally conservative: (proposes a new 30% federal consumption tax on every purchase)

    2. The LP ballot includes an option to not vote if you don’t care who wins. Unfortunately, there’s also an option to not vote if you don’t want any of them to win and the two options are indistinguishable. We tried to get a ballot initiative going to either create an option to distinguish between the two or to drop one of the two options, but unfortunately most people either didn’t care which option we picked or were opposed to either one of those options so they left the ballot blank. And since there was no way to tell if they didn’t vote because they didn’t care or if they wanted neither….well, you get the picture.

  8. Thanks Nick, today I increased my vocabulary by one word.

  9. As a Libertarian I have no problem with PJ’s heresy. He appreciates the danger of Trump and doesn’t want to stand on the wrong side of history. I’m sure he’d vote Libertarian if he thought we had a shot. My suggestion is to review Garland and see if he will support the First Amendment. Hopefully he will (wishful thinking?) and then he can be approved and then just hold the fort until people wake up from this mass delusion. Also many of the Libertarian movement lately can be attributed to Obama – decriminalization and ending the drug war – advances that will be completely lost under Trump. At least Hillary probably won’t go backwards on that.

      1. If PB had replied to this it would’ve been a trifecta.

    1. Garland seems like a piece of shit. Not interested.

      More concerned about preserving 2A.

      Also FWIW, Trump has advocated for drug decriminalization in the past: http://www.ontheissues.org/201….._Drugs.htm

      1. Trump has held every position on every subject with the exception of being consistent in what an awesome guy Trump is.

    2. Garland combines the worst authoritarianism of the left with the worst authoritarianism of the right. If the next couple of SCOTUS justices are like him, the first, second and fourth amendments are toast. I did not mention the ninth and tenth because they were discarded long ago.

  10. Thiel’s choice make some sense. PJ’s does not. At all. Hillary represents everything O’Rourke has been against for decades. Has he read Clinton Cash? Just vote Libertarian or not at all, guy.

    1. Just vote Libertarian or not at all, guy.

      I say we adopt this as a standard response to any and all attempts to draw us into any discussions over whether or why or how Hillary or Trump is the worst. They’re both big fat liars and dirty rotten scoundrels so trying to suss any meaning out of anything they’ve ever said or ever done or anything anybody else says about anything they’ve ever said or done is a fool’s errand. It’s like going to a book exchange where everybody brings a wrapped book and you pick one at random hoping to get a good one. When you unwrap it, it turns out to be a box of Duncan Hines Chocolate Chunk Fudge Brownie mix. With a “best by” date of 1997. Doesn’t really matter whether you were hoping for a mystery, a sci-fi, a biography or a short story collection under the wrapper now, does it?

      1. I say we adopt this as a standard response to any and all attempts to draw us into any discussions over whether or why or how Hillary or Trump is the worst.

        Nominating judges to the USSC will be pretty important this cycle though. 3 open seats are likely.

        If Hillary packs those, bye 2A forever. Don’t say she won’t do it either.

        LP might have to wait?

        1. Yes, continue making the same short-sighted decisions that got us into this mess to begin with. What a great idea that will surely improve the situation in the long-term.

          Man, only thinking about the immediate future sure does make everything easy.

          1. Socialists made a bunch of “short-sighted decisions” to be impure socialists, and now they control the Democratic Party and the entire educational system.

        2. “If Hillary packs those, bye 2A forever. “

          Bullshit.

          First even if she specifically picks anti 2a judges they have to get confirmed and it is nearly a foregone conclusion that should she win the White House the republicans will have a significant if not veto proof majority in both houses by the end of her 2nd year at the latest.

          Second Judges do not make law, they rule on cases so she would not only need to get the judges appointed, but she would then need to get some sort of anti gun law passed that pro gun groups would sue to defeat and then have those judges violate 2 centuries of SC tradition of never directly overturning a prior ruling and voting to overrule McDonald.

          Third, the SC is rife with cases of judges once appointed acting in ways directly contradictory to the politics of the President who appointed them.

          The only real risk of Hillary appointed SC judges is that they would continue to solidify the judicial deference that the government has no real limits to it’s power and can do pretty much anything it wants, but you know what, the exact same is true of Trump appointed judges.

          So I’m sorry but your fantasy of the SC being the deciding factor between the candidates is just that a fantasy.

        3. Nominating judges to the USSC will be pretty important this cycle though. 3 open seats are likely.

          If Hillary packs those, bye 2A forever. Don’t say she won’t do it either.

          I thought the exact same thing. It was pointed out that the same point was made during the beginning of the Obama Administration. I concluded it’s a crap shoot. Kennedy’s terrible and Sotomayor’s less terrible.

          While I agree that HRC would probably strive to appoint outright villains that tow the party’s lions there’s little to no guarantee that Trump wouldn’t accidentally or deliberately appoint outright villains and the corpse of the GOP (or whatever rises from the ashes) lines up behind Him/Them and be just as rabidly anti-2A (e.g. if the cops show up and you have a gun in your hand, you’re automatically guilty even if you *were* the victim).

          1. Dammit I mean Roberts, not Kennedy.

          2. Trump is 50/50, and HRC is 100% likely to appoint authoritarian justices. I’ll take the crapshoot over the certainty. But still voting libertarian.

          3. “…tow the party’s lions…”

            Do you mean “toe the party’s lines,” or is this a new phrase whose meaning isn’t clear to me? I’m having images of lions on leashes being dragged along like recalcitrant dogs.

            1. You’r new here.

              1. *you’re

  11. How will anyone with a conscience be able to look in the mirror from 2017-2021 and not get violently sick with the knowledge he or she voted for one of these criminals? Can you imagine the self-loathing knowing you voted for someone who instituted a police state to round up 12 million people or re-insttituted the draft to show the folks in Uzfuckistan they can’t mess with the U.S.A. or gutted the 2nd amendment?

    1. It’s easy – just say, “Looking back I don’t know how it came to this” and then lobby for increased funding for mental illness training and more generous social services for the most vulnerable among us. Rinse & repeat.

    2. Easy.

      “The problem was that MY candidate wasn’t given the proper support to institute the policies I like.”

      Kind of like how any unintended consequences from Obamacare are because of evil insurance companies and kkkorporations.

  12. Sorry, I’m still taking Kmele Foster’s point of view on the whole Trump thing. The idea that Trump is so uniquely awful that we MUST support the Status quo (read: Hillary) is utter bullshit.

    1. Totally agree.

      Uniquely awful covers both of them equally well and the current occupant.

      1. …AND, voting for Trump will piss off the SJW’s to no end, I mean ritual suicide level break downs, that alone is worth the price of my soul.

    2. Yeah Kmele has been pretty persuasive on that point. Trump is godawful and boorish, while Hillary is merely a more polished brand of godawful.

    3. If Trump is president, Congress will finally have to reel in the power of the executive branch. If it weren’t for Bush and Obama setting precedent, Trump wouldn’t be able to do anything he wants to do as president. Trump is a blowhard, but he is not a deranged lunatic, at least not anymore than any other presidential candidate. He just doesn’t hide his bullshit.

      1. That’s a great theory — you better pray like hell that it actually works out that way.

  13. You ask for a candidate to embrace one or more of the following….

    I am pretty sure Hillary fits that requirement on abortion and gay marriage.

    So…?

    1. Good point. Catalog each candidate’s positions and determine which one best fits your brand of libertarianism.

      1. That works well if your brand of libertarianism is the masochistic variety – no, no, smash the other nut, please!

      2. Did that on isidewith.com.

        Trump 54%
        Sanders 52%
        Clinton 25%

        For what it’s worth, they finished 7th, 8th and 11th in my list of most agreeable candidates.

        So,…fuck them all? Yeah, going with that.

        1. I assume there were 9 named candidates in your list. No 10 must have been “Anyone Else”.

          1. I stand corrected. Now they’re 8th, 9th and 12th. They added Kevin McCormick to the list today.

            Perry 93%
            Petersen 92%
            Feldman 91%
            Johnson 89%
            McCormick 88%
            McAfee 84%
            Cruz 75%
            Trump 54%
            Sanders 52%
            Kasich 44%
            Stien 41%
            Clinton 25%

            1. Johnson (L) 96%
              Feldman (L) 95%
              Perry (L) 94%
              McCormick (L) 94%
              Petersen (L) 94%
              McAfee (L) 90%
              Sterling 89%
              Cruz (R) 72%
              Sanders (D) 66%
              Stein (D) 63%
              Clinton (D) 58%
              Kasich (R) 52%
              Trump (R) 51%

  14. Now they finally decide to throw Hillary into the mix? I thought we were preppping up to make the libertarian argument for her?

  15. “declare an end to culture-war bullshit and embrace abortion rights, marriage equality, and at least pot legalization”

    You realize that those are incompatible objectives?

    You can’t pretend to be against the culture war while waving pom-poms for the victory of one side in that war.

    1. “I’m against this war and I want my side to win” simply violates the Law of Non-Contradiction.

      If you take a side, then take a side and admit you’re a proud culture warrior.

  16. Huh, looks like O’Rourke caught Nick off guard when he said “we’re more libertarian on social issues, but not on political issues [which are more important]”.

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  18. Is Nick leaving out Sanders because he thinks Sanders won’t get the nomination? Sanders will destroy the economy faster than Hillary would. (I’m not voting for either.)

    1. Probably so. The silver lining to Sanders’ explicitly stated goal of bread lines for America, he can’t win the nomination. Say what we will about the ‘grass roots’ popularity of Sanders, yes, Clinton does even lead him in the overall popular vote.

  19. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zI3UfxyIdgs

    OT: The article’s accompanying photo instantly brought this to mind.

    I present my favorite YouTube music video.

    * possible nerdgasms for those who love Star Trek and punk rock

    1. The photo in the link, not Cthulhu.

  20. The LP acts a lot more like the People Who Hate People party. “Are you going to be there? Then I ain’t fucking coming.” There seems to be no consensus of what the Libertarian Party actually stands for and which policies it will promote. Is there even party leadership?

    Two of the weakest candidates for POTUS in history and all the Libertarian Party can muster up is an insignificant shart. I would love a viable third party but the LP does nothing than shit the bed every election cycle and hope that a Republican candidate will push enough of its agenda to seem like there is political momentum. You know why the LP can’t find donors? They want results, and the Libertarian Party can’t deliver.

    If all the LP wants is “double digit” results then it should run a candidate like Snowden who at least generates interest in major facet of the Libertarian agenda… sure, he can’t win but that’s never stopped the LP before.

    I’d wish the LP luck, but they wouldn’t know what to do if they had any.

    1. Sadly, you’re correct-good analysis.

    2. As O’Rourke said about libertarianism is that it’s essentially genetically incapable of being a political force, because libertarianism isn’t political. It’s a-political.

      1. At a basic level Libertarianism is too steeped in dogma and orthodoxy that it is politically inert. There are certainly politically minded people who hold Libertarian ideals but there is simply no structure to harness their voting power, just faux intellectuals croaking about Ayn Rand and treating Atlas Shrugged like a copy of Dianetics. Litmus tests and an inability to compromise have wasted the opportunity to latch on to the anti-establishment. Instead, the Libertarian Party conceded that platform to Trump – a bloviating cartoon. The LP is a useless pile of ass-scabs.

        It’s not a failure of the philosophy, it’s a failure of the people allowed to be the gatekeepers of intellectually defining Libertarianism to get their collective heads out of their asses and actually put the philosophy to work in the real world. Lacking in political wherewithal isn’t getting Libertarian’s anywhere.

        The Republican Party is fractured and the Libertarian Party doesn’t even have a plan of how to benefit from this at all. They are simply incompetent.I don’t give my money and time to stupid people.

        1. Hmmm, Herpes, maybe you should dedicate some of that genius brainpower that is so effective at stating what OTHER PEOPLE should do to fix things to actually going out and doing something. The LP is flawed, to be sure, but until you’ve put in at least 5 minutes experiencing the ungodly hurdles necessary just to get on a ballot in a single state for President or get registered as an official party, you have no clue what you are talking about.

          This year you have a national media experienced candidate who worked with Judge Nap and has a pretty “pure” L platform, a 2 term governor of a border state that reduced spending, reduced the size of government, experienced double digit job growth and vetoed 750 bills and a billionaire entrepreneur who knows more about cyber security than every federal-level politician put together.

          But they didn’t get the guy who is literally hiding out in Russian for fear of getting droned by the US government because he’s a fugitive to run for Pres in the LP, so you HAZ A SAD and declares the LP is a complete failure!

          IF ONLY they knew to come to you in all your real-world political savvy and ask you to lead them, then we’d be talking about the inevitable LP landslide in the upcoming elections

          1. This is a laughable attempt at a take down. Personal attacks not withstanding, your rationale is that ITS TOO HAAAAARRRRDDD for the Libertarian Party to know what the fuck they are doing at the national level.

            There’s no organization. There’s no ability to capitalize on another party’s weakness. There’s just “maybe next time… can you write me a check?”. If that’s good enough for you than keep plugging away and shilling their excuses. Useful idiots aren’t hard to find on the internet, but you keep doing you.

        2. The “problem” with libertarians, and it’s not a problem but rather political liability, is that we aren’t, by definition, activists. We’re not zealots. We’re not believers. We (presumably) don’t subscribe to cults of personality.

          We’ve all decided to opt-out. That’s why we’re here. That’s why we believe what we believe. When you take a group of people like that, a group absolutely disinterested in proselytizing, converting, debating, et cetera, there can’t be a movement.

          Hell, pretty much the greatest (only) libertarian accomplishment to date is the Free State Project in New Hampshire.

          Really, since becoming a libertarian my greatest political accomplishment to the ideology is stockpiling around 10,000 rounds of Federal XM80 7.62x51mm and… waiting.

    3. I’ve pointed out before that Libertarians can’t promote anyone because that would be against their Libertarian values of being a part of the government. You can’t be a part of something you want to reduce. thats like having a soup bar and not serving anybody.

    4. “Is there even party leadership”

      God, I hope not.

  21. Save this until we see the “Libertarian case for Hillary” that Nick is sure to write in October.

    BTW, Doug Kenney made the National Lampoon and Animal House. O’Rourke was third string.

  22. We’ve won the culture wars

    Citation needed.

    Regardless of Rand Paul or any other politician, the plain fact is the United States is not just moving toward a more-libertarian mind-set but actually adopting libertarian policies and priorities when it comes to criminal justice reform, public-sector pensions, K-12 education, infrastructure spending, and more.

    As Matt Welch and I wrote in The Declaration of Independents, politics is a lagging indicator of where America has already headed. For all sorts of reasons?including a state-enforced duopoly and guaranteed revenue streams?change will come last to politics. There’s a good prima facie case that that is exactly what we are seeing.

    As he is about to clasp her he feels a stunning blow upon the back of the neck; a blinding white light blazes all about him with a sound like the shock of a cannon — then all is darkness and silence!

    Peyton Farquhar was dead; his body, with a broken neck, swung gently from side to side beneath the timbers of the Owl Creek bridge.

    1. +1 Occurrence. That scared the shit outta me when I read it for the first time. Maybe 6th grade or sometime around there?

  23. The problem is that no Libertarian candidate is going to win.

    If you really feel strongly against one of the two candidates, then you should vote for their opponent who actually has a chance of winning.

    And given Bush-Gore, you can’t say one vote doesn’t matter. It very well could.

    1. I’ve never looked at it that way before. But now that I think about it, it does make more sense to vote against the things you don’t want instead of voting for the things you do want.

      Well, that does it for me, I’m off to join the Fuck You, Cut Spending Party. The good thing about that party is you know they’ll never vote for anything, only against.

    2. Yeah, but what if you feel strongly against both of the two candidates.

      I think Trump is more likely to devastate the economy (45% tariffs!), but there’s no way I can convince myself to vote for Hillary.

    3. One vote didn’t matter. And it didn’t matter in that election either.

  24. “Libertarians: Just Say No to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump!”

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  31. RE: “Libertarians: Just Say No to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump!”
    P.J. O’Rourke is voting for Hillary and Peter Thiel is a Trump delegate. WTF?

    Could it be Mr. O’Rourke and Mr. Thiel are not really Libertarians after all?

  32. I guess there’s one legitimate reason why I should vote for Clinton: it’s very unlikely the Dems will take Congress, so a vote for Clinton is really a vote for four more years of deadlock. Pretty sure that 4 years without any laws would be better than whatever shit Trump and the repubs can come up with

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