9/11 Commissioner Breaks Ranks, Says Saudi Government Officials Implicated By Secret "28 Pages"
"Our report should never have been read as an exoneration of Saudi Arabia," says former Reagan administration Secretary of the Navy John Lehman.


John Lehman, a former Reagan administration Secretary of the Navy and one of five Republican commissioners on the 11-member 9/11 Commission, has broken ranks by plainly asserting his belief that a number of Saudi government officials helped provide a support system for the 19 hijackers.
Lehman told The Guardian that the secret "28 pages" of a joint congressional inquiry into 9/11 contain "an awful lot of participation by Saudi individuals in supporting the hijackers, and some of those people worked in the Saudi government." He added that the commission's chairman, former Gov. Tom Kean (R-N.J.), and vice-chairman, former Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-Ind.), had engaged in a "game of semantics" when they recently asserted that only one Saudi government worker had been "implicated" in the attacks.
In Lehman's view, "There was an awful lot of circumstantial evidence" and he regretted that many, including the Saudi government, read the commission's final report as "an exoneration of Saudi Arabia." Senior Saudi government officials and the royal family were not implicated in the attacks, according to Lehman, but he said "at least five" Saudi officials were "strongly suspected" of supporting the 9/11 terrorists.
One 9/11 commissioner who requested anonymity told The Guardian of heated arguments among commissioners and staffers over how the intelligence pertaining to any Saudi connection with the attacks appeared in the final report:
In fact, there were repeated showdowns, especially over the Saudis, between the staff and the commission's hard-charging executive director, University of Virginia historian Philip Zelikow, who joined the Bush administration as a senior adviser to secretary of state Condoleezza Rice after leaving the commission. The staff included experienced investigators from the FBI, the Department of Justice and the CIA, as well as the congressional staffer who was the principal author of the 28 pages.
Zelikow fired a staffer, who had repeatedly protested over limitations on the Saudi investigation, after she obtained a copy of the 28 pages outside of official channels. Other staffers described an angry scene late one night, near the end of the investigation, when two investigators who focused on the Saudi allegations were forced to rush back to the commission's offices after midnight after learning to their astonishment that some of the most compelling evidence about a Saudi tie to 9/11 was being edited out of the report or was being pushed to tiny, barely readable footnotes and endnotes. The staff protests were mostly overruled.
Unsurprisingly, Zelikow remains staunchly opposed to releasing the "28 pages" now, having recently told NBC News that the classified pages "provide no further evidence" not already in the public domain and that their declassification would "only make the red herring grow redder."
Former Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fl.), who was part of the congressional inquiry which produced the "28 pages" and who has long advocated for their release, wrote in a Washington Post op-ed yesterday that the "the American people [have] all the authority and capability needed to review the 28 pages and determine the truth." There are increasing bipartisan efforts in Congress to "require declassification" of the pages within 60 days.
President Obama has been non-committal about whether or not he would order the release of the pages, and he has threatened to veto a proposed bill which would strip foreign officials of immunity from lawsuits related to terrorism.
According to White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest, President Obama hasn't even read the "28 pages."
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I'm sure the most transparent administration in history will get right on it.
You mean "Nuke their ass and take the gas", right? RIGHT?!
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Madness!
Didn't he just go to Saudi Arabia to kiss the King's balls?
I believe he *sucked* them.
Wait, so Obama is really a Tea-Bagger? That's going to piss of the adoring masses of progressives at his feet.
No - he got tea-bagged.
Tea-baggee?
Tea-Baguette?
Ah so the SAUDIS are the ones who are teabaggers. Everything I've heard about how the teabaggers are racist religious extremists is right, then.
That would imply that the Saudi king sucked his balls. I doubt that's how their "relationship" works.
Or do I have it backwards? I thought the person sucking the balls was the bagger and the person getting their balls sucked was the baggee.
Loki, I am also confused as to who is being serviced and who is doing the servicing when one talks about a "tea bagger".
I also thought that the term applied to the person doing the sucking. And the person getting sucked is just lucky... or... not?
The tea-bagger is the one doing the dipping, so getting balls sucked, lol
Obama hasn't even read the "28 pages."
Plausible deniability, bitches!
The buck stops...over there.
He heard about it on the news?
The Saudis have been complicit in most islamic extremism.
They made a deal with the devil during the siege of Mecca. The monarchy supports Wahhabism in exchange for legitimacy.
Yeah, the only non-government aircraft allowed in the air on 9/12 was a plane carrying Saudi royalty back home.
Including, IIRC, several members of the bin Laden family.
This is not true.
Civilian air traffic was allowed to resume on September 13, 2001, with stricter airport security checks, disallowing for example the box cutting knives that were used by the hijackers.
I flew shortly after 9/11 for a business thing in DC.
I believe there were maybe 6 other people on that plane.
Airport was like a set from 'The Omega Man'.
Oops, wrong date. Grizzly is correct that the Saudis did not get to fly until commercial airspace was reopened on 9/13. My bad.
Additional info here and here.
^ This.
I strongly suspect the Saudis are responsible for far more terrorism than the Iranians.
"I strongly suspect the Saudis are responsible for far more terrorism than the Iranians."
By FAR. They literally created the Ikhwan, which was the first modern Islamic terrorist organization. They took Bedouin nomads who were already skilled with military matters and indoctrinated them in Salafism. They lost control of the Ikhwan too, and ended up having to put down the Ikhwan in 1930.
1930 should have been the first year that people realized that combining Salafist theology with guerrilla warfare skills only leads to bad things happening, but nah, the US government is now set on doing practically the same thing that the Saudis did with the Ikhwan, giving groups that have a Salafist theology military training.
The monarchy supports Wahhabism in exchange for legitimacy.
This.
Eh, the deal between Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab and Muhammad ibn Saud was made long before the siege of Mecca. It was made back when the Saudis only controlled the city of Diriyah.
"This oasis is yours, do not fear your enemies. By the name of God, if all Nejd was summoned to throw you out, we will never agree to expel you." -ibn Saud to ibn Abd al-Wahhab
"You are the settlement's chief and wise man. I want you to grant me an oath that you will perform jihad against the unbelievers. In return you will be imam, leader of the Muslim community and I will be leader in religious matters." -ibn Abd al-Wahhab to ibn Saud
It's a real shame that the Ottomans couldn't make the Saudi dynasty stay dead.
The British transplant of the Hashemites didn't help.
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I'll tell ya another thing, those camel jockeys had damned well better stop sneaking too much of that nuclear-tipped green Wahhabi sauce on my plate at the local all-ye-can-eat Chinese restadant! ENUFF cross-cultural fusion food, I say!
Unsurprisingly, Zelikow remains staunchly opposed to releasing the "28 pages" now, having recently told NBC News that the classified pages "provide no further evidence" not already in the public domain
Then why in the fuck is it classified?!?
Call me crazy, but I think that over-classification should be a criminal offense punishable by federal prison.
They don't even understand the classification system. Have you ever looked into how the different levels are actually defined? They're nebulous at best.
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Well i suppose there's a difference between "information being widely available for people who want to research a topic"... and "here's the actual official interpretation that the Govt has taken of this information"
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Sounds like someone forgot to make a "donation" to certain political campaigns...
I believe a lot of this was known outside of even the redacted portions of the 9/11 report
From my memory, it wasn't "all 19" hijackers, however. It was a select few who were receiving some money & support from GID (Saudi 'CIA') personnel. And trying to make the Saudi govt complicit via those connections is sort of a mess.
Because intelligence services in "creepy totalitarian dynastic theocracies" like Saudi Arabia.... with hundreds of equally super-wealthy competing family-side-branches.... simply do not follow strict Western notions of Bureaucratic hierarchy and top-down control. At best they function as a cluster of various competing interests which are kept "in balance" by whomever the King puts in charge for a while.
Some of those competing interests were the same people who paid Osama to fuck off to Sudan, THEN fuck off from Sudan to Afghanistan, and try and keep a 'lower/low(ish) profile'.
And Im sure some of those same people have been involved in financing ISIS, and continuing to fund madrassas in FATA that churn out new Pakistani-Taliban leaders.
In short - there's absolutely nothing anywhere on the planet that involves 'sunni islam' which some faction in the GID hasn't sent money to at some point. Its just the way that shit rolls.
That which was "known" was treated as conspiracy theory. Or ignored.
Not really.
It was included in books like "Ghost Wars" and "The Looming Tower", others. No one disputes whether or not 'some' hijackers recieved 'some' money by Saudi orgs.
A footnote from the 9/11 commission report states
Specific allegations about GID role may have been dowplayed, but its not like they've ever been strongly disputed.
"Or ignored."
ok, yes. still worth clarifying.
the Saudis did not begin to crack down hard on al Qaeda financing in the Kingdom until after the May 2003 al Qaeda attacks in Riyadh
IOW, not until after AQ hit them where they live. Gee, where's my shocked face?
By the time Hillary Clinton became Secretary of State, the Saudi government had given $10 million to the Clinton Foundation.
In 2011, Hillary Clinton spearheaded State Department approval to sell $29 billion worth of advanced fighter jets to Saudi Arabia--two months after Boeing made a $900,000 donation to the Clinton Foundation--bringing Boeing's total contributions to the Clinton Foundation to over $5 million. Other defense contractors who were part of the sale to Saudi Arabia and made contributions to the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State include United Technologies, Honeywell, General Electric, and Lockheed Martin.
http://www.motherjones.com/pol.....arms-deals
The mission of the Clinton Global Initiative is to turn ideas into action.
Who could possibly be against *that*?
Yeah, I'm sure that all those defense contractors making contributions and all the foreign governments that want to buy American military hardware and need State Department approval to do so making contributions, too, that was all just a coincidence.
And Hillary charging $15 million plus for approval on a $29 billion military hardware sale is letting them off pretty easy, too. A standard finder's fee is 2%, and a good broker usually gets 5% at least.
Hillary charging $15 million plus for approval on a $29 billion military hardware sale is letting them off pretty easy, too. A standard finder's fee is 2%, and a good broker usually gets 5% at least.
So what you're saying is she's not even good at being a crook?
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I think we can trust the Saudis...
Absolutely we can trust them to pursue their own self-interest and to keep playing us.
we can trust them to pursue their own self-interest and to keep playing us.
Foreign Relations 101.
President Obama hasn't even read the "28 pages."
In his defense, they haven't been printed in the newspaper yet.
Other foreign governments that gave to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was Secretary of State include Algeria, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.
http://tinyurl.com/o3b9e53
To be clear, Saudi Arabia stopped giving money to the Clinton Foundation when she became Secretary of State, but they started giving more money again once she was no longer Secretary of State--and I believe they're still giving today.
Those other countries I listed gave while she was Secretary of State.
I can't believe this has happened--and people are talking about her email server. Taking money from foreign governments while you're the Secretary of State is so awful, no one may have bothered to make it illegal. And of course, the illegality isn't the important question anyway. The important question is whether we should elect a President who is on the payroll of Saudi Arabia and other foreign governments.
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This is my actual reason for supporting Trump over Hillary: she's so obviously, openly corrupt, and so subject to foreign and domestic blackmail, that she is an actual threat to the United States. Hillary should be sent to Siberia, never to be heard from again.
That is certainly the best argument I've heard to vote for Trump.
It isn't good enough to make me actually vote for Trump, but that's probably the best argument for doing so.
Its a good argument for voting for someone else. But Johnson/McAfee is better than Trump.
Plus, if Trump needs my help to win KY, he is in deep shit nationwide.
Taking money from foreign governments while you're the Secretary of State is so awful, no one may have bothered to make it illegal.
Yeah, it's probably one of those things that everyone thought "Surely no one would be that blatantly, openly corrupt. And even if they are, surely the act of taking money from foreign governments while SoS would end their political careers. I mean, there's no way someone that corrupt could ever, possibly run for president and be nominated by either major party, much less stand a good chance of actually winning... Oh, shit..."
Talking about atom bombs we should tell all Muslims knock it off or we drop a tactical nuke on the Kabba.
America, fuck yeah!
lol
Yeah, the Ayn Rand Institute already proposed this in the aftermath of 9/11. It wasn't exactly the best sales-pitch for the "NAP" as a guideline for Foreign Relations.
There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world.
Most of them don't like Al Qaeda or ISIS, and both organizations have been officially condemned by all five schools of Sunni jurisprudence.
Nuke the Kabba, and I bet that changes.
It's a ridiculous suggestion. Like the Japanese thinking that if the bombed Pearl Harbor, America would be so traumatized, we'd just capitulate to them in the Pacific.
WRONG!
The Japs were actually going after our aircraft carriers. They screwed the pooch on that. None of them were there during the attack.
Technically you are correct.
There's mischaracterization, damn lies, and playing funny with the statistics.
The statistic you're quoting isn't true.
The survey you're quoting was taken in certain countries, and the list was heavily dominated by by countries that feature a disproportionate amount of extremism--including the Palestinian territories, Lebanon, Northern Nigeria, and Pakistan.
Here's what your link really says:
"Today, al Qaeda is widely reviled, with a median of 57% across the 11 Muslims publics surveyed saying they have an unfavorable opinion of the terrorist organization"
It doesn't say "worldwide". They were looking for support for violence and extremism in the Muslim world--especially in the countries with a large terrorist presence.
You don't take a survey of occupied Palestine and say it represents Muslim opinion world wide just like you wouldn't take a survey during the troubles about support for the IRA in Belfast and say that tells me what Catholics "worldwide" think about terrorism.
Here's another quote from your link:
"In many of the countries surveyed, clear majorities of Muslims oppose violence in the name of Islam. Indeed, about three-quarters or more in Pakistan (89%), Indonesia (81%), Nigeria (78%) and Tunisia (77%), say suicide bombings or other acts of violence that target civilians are never justified. And although substantial percentages in some countries do think suicide bombing is often or sometimes justified ? including a 62%-majority of Palestinian Muslims, overall support for violence in the name of Islam has declined among Muslim publics during the past decade."
http://tinyurl.com/ngrqns9
When you post your links, do you assume no one will actually read them? It isn't enough to just post a link. The link should actually say what you say it says. Anybody can post a link.
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Well since it appears that the Saudi government had a hand in 9/11 is it a violation of the NAP?
Since the US government had a hand in invading Iraq, is it a violation of the NAP for some random Muslim to kill you?
I didn't say kill random Muslims.
Maybe you don't think you did, but you're collectivizing the guilt of Muslims and advocating nuking their most holy site, which attracts millions of visitors every year.
A distinction without a difference.
I advocated the targeting of a particular building which would allow for a warning to be given so that not one human need be killed. Now if some people choose to ignore that warning that's on them.
Nice. A true advocate of the NAP, you are.
The NAP allows for the retaliatory use of force in self defense you dipshit. Destroying ONE building in order to stop the initiatory use of force is well within the bounds of the NAP.
it has been previously noted that no matter how many times people point out something you say is patently ridiculous, you will repeat yourself over and over as though you made a brilliant point that no one else understands
He's super duper smart, at least that's what his mom always tells him when she brings him his lunch (PB&J with the crust cut off and a juice box) and at night when she tucks him into his race car bed.
I always tested in the top 1% in school so I know for a fact I'm smarter than 99% of my peers.
It that's what you think that means, you are in fact dumber than 99% of your peers.
Uh, no.
I'll bet you're a member of Mensa, too.
You are, aren't you?
No, my IQ is only 126. Mensa requires 132.
As has been previously noted just because you think something I say is patently ridiculous does not make it so. In fact the opposite. I can't help it you're to dumb to understand it.
I pointed to Peikoff saying almost exactly the same thing you're saying. And what he argued was patently idiotic.
Acting like an attack of any-size provides the US carte blache to 'nuke whomever we deem responsible' is stupid. The people who make this argument adhere to a retarded-moral-calculus which has zero actual accommodation for political reality and/or any conception of strategic-restraint.
Its also notable that the Objectivist-types who propose this mechanistic-approch to warfare are people who have a wildly overblown impression of their own intelligence. See = Cytotoxic, the mirror, etc.
First of all he was about talking Iran. I also didn't say nuke the entire country. I said threaten to nuke ONE particular building. You're just too stupid to understand the difference
ah. "Nuke a single building". best of luck with that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure
My epileptic cousin had one of those the first time he played X-box.
All the books explaining why the Saudis have been so generous with Sunni fundamentalist jihadi/terrorist groups over the years chart back to that particular moment.
Basically, they said, "Have your revolution! just keep it off the Home Court."
Also interesting is how the Iranians and Saudis both decided in the immediately aftermath to popularize-via-rumor the idea that attacks on the Grand Mosque were *actually* coordinated by the US and Mossad. Which led to muslim-freakouts around the world, including the burning of the US embassy in Islamabad and the death of a Marine there.
That was also (sort of) the beginning of our problems with Libya. The US embassy burned there too (the first time, not Benghazi).
It's a winning strategy for these ultra corrupt Middle Eastern governments. Blame Israel. Blame America.
You know who else diverted popular anger by getting people to focus their hate on a particular 'other'?
Warty?
Your mom?
This is one of those situations where I could see an honest man making the wrong decision for the right reasons.
Let's say that elements in the Saudi royal family were involved (Not the king, but family interested in taking the crown). What good does releasing the information do? The American people are just about certain to demand extradition. And the Saudis complying could very well launch them into a civil war. And does anyone think for a moment we don't get involved in that shitshow?
On the other hand, you could just let it drop. And the relevant parties either die of massive coronaries or unfortunate automobile accidents.
Not saying it's the right thing to do. But, I could see where a good guy might be tempted to go with it.
Freeze their fucking assets.
Yeah, fuck the House of Saud and the Obama administration in all their collective, evil badness. People suck, but these people suck WAY more than average.
While it wouldn't surprise me if Saudi government officials "supported" the 9/11 terrorists, I have to wonder just what is meant by "support" here. I'm assuming we're not talking about some bureaucratic functionary helping them with their initial visa paperwork or anything like that which would normally fall under normal consulate duties, but something more nefarious. But even then, did these officials know about their connection to Al Qaeda? That would seem to be an important distinction. Guess we'll just have to wait for the "most transparent administration in history" to declassify the 28 pages.
Given that Al Queda started out as a militant arm of the faction of Saudi nobility that opposed the corruption of the west and wanted the kingdom to be truly Wahhabist instead of hypocritically paying lip service to the religions dictates, it's absolutely unsurprising that a significant portion of the royal family are ardent supporters.
If one could say there was a good SECNav, John Lehman was it. He went after defense contractors along with contracting and procurement. These include EB, Northrup and many others to include Admiral Rickover.
They created various programs like BOSS, which went after things like the $800 toilet seat, the $500 hammer and so on.
Cost plus fee contracting was (and is now) the norm. Even the USS Constitution was overbudget, while the privateers didn't face that ohenomena and those ships were built with efficiency, and without the delays and cost overruns experienced with gov't ships. Lehman ensured fixed price, and fixed price incentive contracting became the new norm. Of course the contractors, brass, bureaucrats, many a politician and lobbyists hated him.
After he left, all the work that had been done was reversed. The DOD reverted to cost plus fee, and horrible equipment acceptance policies that exist to this day. He showed the rampant waste and abuse within the DOD, and really how inefficient it is at providing defense. Even though he doesn't say it outright, his work definitely shows the need for the private production of defense.
Why now about 28 pages? What internecine conflict is generating this public threat to embarrass? Which politico-crime family is the target? Or families? Is this an Iranian-sponsored gambit?
Related: http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....02124.html
"We need to get the Saudis! We know they were behind 9/11."
"No! Now's our chance to get Iran. We know they're a bigger terror supporter."
"Well, let's split the difference." [pulls out map] "We'll get Iraq, it's halfway between.
"Agreed. We can sell it to the voters as bipartisanship. Crossing the aisle and whatnot."
Fun fact I didnt know until today: if every state had the ME/NE electoral college rule, Romney would be President. He won 226 congressional districts to Ovama's 209. Final EC count would have been 274-264.
Yeah, it's funny how when you aggregate votes at the congressional district level, you consistently get results contrary to what the votes as a whole are for.
It's almost like the boundaries of congressional districts were designed to subvert popular will.
I first read this headline as if the Saudi Government Officials Implicated By Secret "28 Pages" were making an allegation against the 9/11 Commissioner, accusing them of breaking ranks.
"President Obama hasn't even read the '28 pages.'" Of course not - he gets his news from TV and newspapers, remember? So let's get them published so our Commander-in-Choom can catch up.
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It really pisses me off that people in the obama administration claim that the President has not read the 28 pages. That is so much bullshit if false and so much more bullshit if true. My government should not have secrets.
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John Lehman was SecNAV when I was a young Naval Flight Officer. He re-instituted brown shoes in Naval Aviation, so that was a huge plus in my book. Shows good judgement AND fashion sense. But seriously, those days were a time when you could not have asked for a better CinC, SecDEF, and SecNAV. He has a record of bucking "political correctness," and he was a carrier aviator himself. All that means that he has earned a great deal more credibility than, well, pretty much all the members of the combined administrations over the last 20 years.
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RE: 9/11 Commissioner Breaks Ranks, Says Saudi Government Officials Implicated By Secret "28 Pages"
Please do not implicate Saudi government officials.
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The Saudis might call up their loans and demand payment.
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