Muslim Students Want San Diego State President to Resign for Failing to Protect Their Feelings
Students surrounded SDSU President Elliot Hirshman and prevented him from moving.
San Diego State University students are furious with their president—and some think he should resign—because he failed to protect them from hurtful words printed on campus flyers.
Members of the Muslim Student Association surrounded President Elliot Hirshman's vehicle last week and trapped him in place for an hour. They demanded that he apologize for issuing an inadequate denunciation of a pro-Israel flyer. The spectacle bore some similarity to the persecution of Yale University's Nicholas Christakis last fall, who was surrounded by irate students and accused of refusing to protect them from offensive Halloween costumes. Christakis's job was to "create a place of comfort" for students, the protesters claimed.
Similarly, the anti-Hirshman crowd maintained that it was his job to harshly denounce speech that offended them. But the speech in question, a flyer, was obviously protected political expression. The flyer accused anti-Israel students of sympathizing with Hamas and allying themselves with Islamic terrorists. It also listed the heads of SDSU's pro-Palestinian group by name. That's a harsh tactic—and an obvious example of hyperbole—but left-leaning campus activists often do the same to their conservative and libertarian opponents, and it is simply not the case that putting someone's name on a list is the same thing as threatening or harassing them.
The flyers are a production of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, a pro-Israel group. Horowitz defended their content in a statement to The College Fix, saying, "They're not ignorant college kids. They're willing and committed campus agents of Hamas. Big difference. We singled out the leaders of an organization founded by members of the Muslim Brotherhood whose sole mission so to spread Hamas' genocidal lies about the Jewish state and spearhead the Hamas-inspired and Hamas-funded BDS campaign which is a genocidal campaign to strangle the Jewish state. Calling them innocent would be a insult to their intelligence and malice."
The students saw matters a different way.
"My friends are not terrorist, and if their names are being posted around campus that's an issue of security," one student, Jeanette Corona, told The San Diego Union Tribune. "No student should be demonized. … It's (Hirshman's) job to ensure the safety of all students on this campus."
"We wanted the president to come to our defense as students," said another student, Osama Alkhawaja, whose name appeared on the flyer.
But Hirshman did come to their defense, as best he could. He sent a campuswide email noting that everyone had a right to make controversial statements, asked for civility, and questioned whether naming individual students was an effective tactic. That's all he can do. Anything more would have given the false impression that students aren't free to put up controversial flyers.
It wasn't enough for the Muslim students, who launched a petition yesterday calling on Hirshman to resign. According to the petition:
"It is the Job of the President of any body of people to make sure that those people feel safe and secure but in this case Elliot Hirshman didn't do that," said President of National Action Network Reverend Shane Harris. "Even after we gave him 48 hours to condemn the hate speech on those flyers he didn't do that which is why he must go."
Keep in mind that the students who surrounded Hirshman last week didn't just engage him in a dialogue: they actually prevented him from leaving. When he finally got out of the car, apologized, and tried to leave, they began chanting insults at him.
I can understand why pro-Palestinian students were upset to learn that Horowitz's supporters had publicly branded them as terrorist collaborators. But this is pure political activism, nasty though it may be. Muslim students have every right to respond with their own flyers, demonstrations, and events. They also have a right to physical safety, and if anyone makes threats against them—or anyone else on campus—the university administration is obligated to respond.
But the sort of protection these students—and so many others—are demanding goes well beyond physical safety. They think the president of the university should lose his job because he didn't protect them from offense or harshly attack their critics. They want the campus to be a safe space, not for free and open inquiry, but for their own delicate feelings.
Horowitz is coming to SDSU to speak today. I'll post an update if anything interesting happens.
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Do we make an exception for safe spaces when it comes to Muslim students?
Discuss.
I don’t understand the question.
It hinges around how afraid of them we are.
Well, the Muslim students are probably just as big pussies as the other students, so I wouldn’t worry too much.
Are they invinceable? They seem like mush…
Depends on who’s talking about/to them, and where that person lies on the privilege line vis a vis the Muslims. For example, we learned at another school that a gay woman is more privileged than a Muslim. Maybe a black trans person would be able to insult Muslims.
I seem to be able to insult Muslims. Perhaps these people have some kind of disability.
Is a Jewish university president more privileged than Muslim students?
Duh.
It’s called an intersectionality matrix, JB.
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By “safe space” do you mean “minimum safe distance”?
Any female Muslim who’s in college is already a hypocrite, if not an apostate, so why the hell not?
Also, fuck ’em. No compromises on speech.
Students surrounded SDSU President Elliot Hirshman and prevented him from moving.
Sounds like false imprisonment.
Dammit, when will I learn?
Scroll, then post.
And more than one person doing it, so throw in some conspiracy charges. And if it’s a public road, then add terrorism charges.
Yeah, let’s invite more government meddling and heavy-handedness. That always turns out so well.
Yesterday was Kent State Day.
SDSU is a government institution. The meddling is built in.
The Pres ought to file a civil rights suit against the “students.”
They were all enrolled students, weren’t they? Frequently protests
bring in a bunch of hangers-on.
Kevin R
Send all the little Muslim snowflakes to Gitmo!
The irony here is that pretty much everyone in this story is an asshole other than Hirshman. He deserves a medal for deftly handling this many total cunts
You know who else had to handle many cunts?
Bill Clinton?
Hillary
Huma.
Ken Schultz?
snicker
Sandra Bernhard?
John Holmes?
That’s handling many inches
Like Cytotoxic?
I don’t know, do you multiply by the strokes?
He does.
I like the way your jib is carved.
LOL!
FleshLight, Inc.?
Francis Begbie?
interesting
Hmmm….maybe that explains his heroic use of the word in question.
“And, he liked to say the c-word. A LOT!!”
Genghis Kahn (successfully)
Kind of like the election, writ small
“Members of the Muslim Student Association surrounded President Elliot Hirshman’s vehicle last week and trapped him in place for an hour.”
And he apologized.
It looks like they want his head on a platter, figuratively speaking of course.
I wouldn’t count on that being figurative.
“It is the Job of the President of any body of people to make sure that those people feel safe and secure but in this case Elliot Hirshman didn’t do that,”
No, that’s impossible. It might be fair to say that it’s part of his job to make sure that students are actually safe and secure to the extent that is possible.
That sounds like the job of security guards and police. The President’s job relating to those things is basically to hire and/or manage the right people for the job.
Well, yeah. I wasn’t suggesting that he should personally take charge of campus security.
I wasn’t talking about you, I was more responding to:
Which is not really true.
It’s been in the job description of college administrators to cravenly submit to protestors since ~1968.
They, and the protesters, are politicaly simpatico, and nothing would wound one of these academic barnacles as much as being named “the Man.”
Kevin R
“Who the fuck hired you!?!?!?! “
Yes, I suppose “actually safe” still leaves some ambiguity. Physically safe is what I was getting at.
Words are not violent nor do they make someone unsafe. Accusations of hate speech trigger the rolling of my eyes and the words ‘toughen up buttercup’ to emerge from my mouth (or keyboard).
“Sticks and stones can break your bones; words can never harm you.”
Mom, c 1950s
“It is the Job of the President of any body of people to make sure that those people feel safe and secure but in this case Elliot Hirshman didn’t do that,” said President of National Action Network Reverend Shane Harris.
So they would be ok with Netanyahu bulldozing everyone and everything in Gaza into a new off shore location.
It is part of his job to make sure that crimes are not committed on campus (assuming the campus has an police/security force which reports to him). It is part of his job to avoid yelling “fire” in a crowded theater. It should not be part of the University administration job’s to make them “feel safe and secure”. This is highly plausible nonsense.
It is enough to make one wish that Jay Kasey, the vice-president of Ohio State University, had been there to supply appropriate backbone.
Fuck those students.
SDSU better stand by their guy.
This is how jihads start – by criminalizing speech. In fact they have the same problem in the UK right now – several Labor (Left) leaders were forced to resign due to ‘anti-Semitic’ statements. Proving again that the value of free speech has less to do with the content (liberal/conservative) than the simple fact of it not being restricted – and thereby used as an excuse for violence. Because it’s a lot easier to justify violence based on “the speech is illegal” vs “the speech made me feel unsafe”.
Dammit, AM, I agree with this.
When you set aside your obsession, you’re . . . not the dumbest commenter.
Stop restricting my speech! Oh… wait…
You missed the part about giving them the Koran and then, “Don’t say we didn’t warn you.” But yeah. I detail the principles on my web site.
The question is, “Is Qat addictive”?
HM, I e-mailed you a question.
bottom
Circumcised. That part of him is white-sized.
How would you know??!?
Answered.
It isn’t? I genuinely thought it was.
/ignorance
There’s a Somali refugee camp about thirty minutes drive from my house, I’ll ask them and get back to you.
I didn’t know you lived that close to Libertopia
They’re Libertopian refugees.
Fleeing the lack of roads in their homeland….
And it’s a wonder to some people how westerners might feel like they’re being colonized by barbarians. The overriding ideology of devout Muslims is one of conquest and subjugation.
This seems more like hyperbole to me
“Hirshman, Hirshman, come on out! We have something to talk about!” the activists chanted as the president sat in the car, and placards held by those on hand read “We Demand An Apology,” “Respect My Name,” and a large banner featured the slogan “SDSU THINKS WE ARE TERRORISTS.”
Seems a little more like irony to me. “We’ll show you were aren’t terrorist by mobbing a guy with a Jewish last name and demanding satisfaction that isn’t his to give!”
“”We’ll show you were aren’t terrorist by mobbing a guy with a Jewish last name and demanding satisfaction that isn’t his to give!””
Yeah, not a good look. The only real defense here is that SJW activists tend to mob people of all ethnicities, so it’s not necessarily anti-semitism. I suspect they would have reacted similarly had he been a goy.
True, but they always goof on optics. Like the “SDSU THINKS WE ARE TERRORISTS” banner. Uh, no they don’t. Horowitz thinks you are terrorists, go yell at him.
They must be taking lessons from John. SDSU didn’t condemn the fliers hard enough, so they clearly secretly support everything Horowitz has to say.
Agreed, however, it’s a standard tactic of the left to imply or outright claim that if a person is challenged, their race/gender/etc. is being attacked, so in this case, it seems to be working against them. I don’t think anyone is pursuing the anti-semitic angle as much as this is just a natural thought process that has evolved because of the nature of prog arguments.
One day, people will learn not to refute a stereotype by demonstrating exactly how it looks in real life.
But today is not that day.
Don’t want you to think no one noticed you winning the thread with this comment…
I thought they retired my trophy.
*buffs monocle on satin lapel, saunters jauntily off*
“Behead those who call Islam violent!”
Someone drew a picture implying that Islam is a violent faith, let’s burn cities down and attack random Danish people
Source.
Shit, I didn’t know this was about putting some respeck on their names!
That changes everything.
Hyperbole?
How is accurately listing the heads of a group by name hyperbole?
Or, is it (contrary to the paragraph structure) that saying anti-Israel students are sympathizing with Hamas (also anti-Israel) or allying themselves with terrorists (may or may not be).
An obvious example?
The most obvious example EVER, HM.
Well, that’s not OK!
The least OK thing that has happened in history!
“Ok ok! If I apologize for calling you a bully will you give me my lunch money back?”
Students surrounded SDSU President Elliot Hirshman and prevented him from moving.
Depending, as ever, on state statutes, that could be false imprisonment.
Isn’t it odd, how often SJWing seems to result in the commission of crimes?
That’s just because your cisheteropatriarchy has used the legal system to oppress right-minded people by making all their temper tantrums justifiable acts of disobedience into crimes.
If you want to make an omelet you have to break a few laws.
The precedent in San Diego is that as long as the “protesters” are peaceable and follow police instructions not to block the road, the protesters are not charged.
http://www.10news.com/news/chp…..fic-112614
BLM on the Bay Bridge did get arrested for blocking a road – for charges of false imprisonment, public nuisance, unlawful assembly and obstructing free passage
http://www.leoaffairs.com/feat…..alifornia/
Bottom line – yes, the mob was subject to arrest for what they did – but it probably won’t happen now.
The precedent in San Diego is that as long as the “protesters” are peaceable and follow police instructions not to block the road, the protesters are not charged.
http://www.10news.com/news/chp…..fic-112614
BLM on the Bay Bridge did get arrested for blocking a road – for charges of false imprisonment, public nuisance, unlawful assembly and obstructing free passage
http://www.leoaffairs.com/feat…..alifornia/
Bottom line – yes, the mob was subject to arrest for what they did – but it probably won’t happen now.
Run. Them. Over.
Barring that, start kicking people out of school. Amazing you can get expelled for consensual sex, but not for attacking a college president.
Yeah, I don’t see why Hirschman doesn’t just expel the students. Give ’em (or their lenders) their money back and be done with them. If they get violent, they’ll just have demonstrated that Horowitz was somewhat correct.
The correct response from Hirshman should be “Stop your crying or I’ll give you something to really cry about”
“Members of the Muslim Student Association surrounded President Elliot Hirshman’s vehicle last week and trapped him in place for an hour. ”
I would have a hard time being sympathetic to their cause after this.
Also, I’d kind of like to seem them prosecuted for kidnapping.
I’d kind of like to see them crushed under the wheels at low speed. I wonder how many crushed up totalitarian meat sacks it would take to immobilize my car.
You’ve got me, that’s actually what I’d like to see as, well.
FUCK YOU EXTRA COMMA!
Low speed? Why? Floor it!
More crushy that way.
re: “Members of the Muslim Student Association surrounded President Elliot Hirshman’s vehicle last week and trapped him in place for an hour. ”
+++++++++++++++++++
Why no charges of unlawful confinement?
I’d agree, but they’re into the martyr thing. The martyr act works better when one is still drawing breath.
File charges. Drop them if the student leaves the school.
Makes sense. But some prosecutors just won’t stop.
That is so stupid I’d almost think it was made by a right-winger to make feminists look bad
Is that cartoon supposed to persuade me of something? ‘Cause I have no idea what I’m supposed to feel.
I’m not sure, but I think you are supposed to conclude that the only people who ever criticize feminists are asshole internet PUA types who use words that no one has ever heard of.
Yes, that feminist are worse the meninist.
It’s persuaded me that the author is a jacktard.
Holy mother of fuck, that is a shitty cartoon.
I don’t get it. Is “meninist” a word that people actually use? Is that supposed to be mocking feminists or “meninists”?
A “meninist” is a person who enjoys using products by Mennen.
Outstanding, Sir.
*bows at HM’s feet*
“Cohhh…stanza!”
crap
I don’t know about enjoy, but I occasionally use a little Speed Stick.
Huh?
“….it is simply not the case that putting someone’s name on a list is the same thing as threatening or harassing them. ”
What if it’s Steve Buscemi’s list of people to kill?
Then it’s not a threat – it’s a promise.
I have a little list…..
Gilbert & Sullivan.
Kevin R
“Monique Dela Cruz, publicist for the SDSU College Republicans, said the David Horowitz event was organized before the protest and will continue to move forward, but she is unsure if Horowitz will address the issue.”
Does she know *anything* about David Horowitz?
I bet he *does* address the issue.
He’s going to call out the terrorist sympathizers.
And if he’s disrupted, he’ll sue.
Time to give the BDS a taste of BDSM.
(note to any US attorneys – this is what’s known as a metaphor)
From the same article: “”The thing that I don’t understand is, why is it so hard for you to come out and make a statement saying that your students aren’t terrorists?” Alkhawaja said.”
Yeah, what’s so hard about the university coming right out and saying that Alkhawaja doesn’t believe in using violence and intimidation for political ends? Maybe he needs to use some more violence to induce them to capitulate to him.
Is it too late to transfer our old buddy Lt Pike up from UC Davis for some crowd control?
Whiny goddamn babies. At least the administrators who’ve created these conditions are the ones being crushed under its insanity.
Hirshman puts the “dim” in “dhimmi.”
Instead of arresting the disruptors and throwing them off campus, he met with them and agreed on conducting a review of the campus’s free-speech policies.
Listen, Muslims form an integral part of every free society on Earth. When I think of freedom, I think of Islam and all of it’s right-thinking peace loving followers.
Sounds a lot like “police are investigating the matter internally.” Basically giving the baby a pacifier and going back to bed.
Monsieur, you are a lulu!
I like how some people like to imply that college students are always “on the right side of history”.
I think back to the Iranian revolution of 1979 when college students installed a theocracy. And now many of those same college students are officials in the regime.
SDSU was a lot more fun when I was there.
Dunno about the college itself, but when I was stationed at Camp Pendleton I sampled some of their womenfolk. Nom.
Anti-Israel activists have been threatening, harrassing, and attacking Jews on campuses all over the country for years. Now they go all ape-shit because of some flyers? Fuck them – Hirshman should have run them over, and then backed up to make sure he finished the job.
“We wanted the president to come to our defense as students,” said another student, Osama Alkhawaja, whose name appeared on the flyer.
Is serfdom so ingrained in these people that they actually think there is some sort of bondage contract between college president and student simply because of enrolling in school?
They purchased educational services, that is all. Protective services are provided by other vendors if you’re willing to pay them.
How would they like it if colleges brought back 1950s-and-earlier style in loco parentis supervision? Dorm rooms subject to unannounced search for contraband – beer, booze, tobacco, other drugs, hot plates, porn, persons of the opposite sex, any folks who aren’t residents of the dorm or even enrolled, especially after – get this – curfew!
You want to be treated like a child? The state is quite willing to infantilize you. They are already doing it in salami slices. They raised the drinking age over the voting age, are starting to do the same for tobacco purchases. 18-20-year-olds can’t to buy pot legally, where legal. The health insurance co.s were made to add years to the age when they kick kids off Mom and Dad’s family health coverage. If you are still attending a public high school they can sic a cop on you for looking at someone funny – good ol’ Mr School Resource Officer. Most state Us and many private colleges have transformed their rent-a-cops (Public Safety Officer was the usual euphemism) into sworn Peace Officers with arrest powers.
I blame my fellow Boomers for most of this “We need to protect our children from every stupid, risky thing I reveled in when I was their age” attitude, but apparently the Millennials drank this up in their no-spill sippy cups and are mostly just fine with it. – Kevin R
“Even after we gave him 48 hours to condemn the hate speech on those flyers he didn’t do that which is why he must go.”
Why? Is 48 hours a Muslim Holy Period?
“I condemn *yawn* whatever hate speech there may have been and is forthcoming.”
“Oh, yeah, sure. Hate speech bad, mmkay? Now, if the protestors will stick around a few more minutes, I’d like to hand-deliver their expulsion letters.”
Keep in mind that the students who surrounded Hirshman last week didn’t just engage him in a dialogue: they actually prevented him from leaving. When he finally got out of the car, apologized, and tried to leave, they began chanting insults at him.
Islam: The religion of peace!
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The colleges recruit for it, they indoctrinate it, they coddle it, they encourage it, they deserve it.
So, to protest Muslim students being called terroristic and anti-Semitic, Muslim students attacked and terrorized a Jew.
Hmmm……..
I would think some of the Muslim students are Semites. Self-hating Jews + Self-hating Muslims = Self-hating Semites.
Jews
Of course, how could I forget the oppressors of all those innocent Palestinians who have been trying to kill them since forever?
The PC thugs will shout him down and not let anybody hear him, just as they did when I paid to hear him years ago.
Horowitz needs to either hand out copies of his speech, or bring a platoon of goons to throw the shouters out. I volunteer to be one of them.
Politics in college is so retarded. Schools should just make it easy on themselves and ban all political speech and protest. No more closet queer repub group, no more dumb ass demo group, and certainly not some “They take my property” lolbertarian group. And, hopefully, any stupid ass anti-pc event with steven crowder and milo gets banned too.
The last thing I want is to be associated with gay ass canadian and a greek that assumes he knows best on how to run a government.
This is everyone’s fault, not just the democrats.
Ahh…feelings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxhwM06lLUs
It’s assault.
Since they are fucking him … We could call it sexual assault or domestic violence and go Title 10.
Mother fucking two ball bitch.
Comfortable?
Members of the Muslim Student Association surrounded President Elliot Hirshman’s vehicle last week and trapped him in place for an hour.
There’s a legal term for that shit. It’s called kidnapping and false imprisonment.
-jcr
I used to think kids coming out of college were going to have it tough dealing with the real world, with no “safe spaces” and their fragile feelings. But I was wrong. Businesses are caving to PC. “Diversity”and “inclusion” are taking the place productivity and ability. The list of words and phrases you dare not speak is getting longer. I fear it’s only going to get worse as colleges keep churning out more and more kids with useless social justice degrees.
My shift has 3 or 4 Muslims. One of them is from AFG. Another is American born Persian teen who supports Donald Trump (go figure). And they’re as normal as you and I. The joke about having three wives and having one night stands with them. One of them say “Dun worry” any time a mistake has been made.
Minorities outside of the fringe left and activists are remarkably normal. Even Democrats. Honestly, the people in my life who are supercharged about politics and insist on talking about it are whites and blacks. I would say most minorities laugh at Trump rather than grit their teeth at him.
These college loons don’t represent most people. If colleges actually cracked on these kids and applied the law on them as, the public would mostly have their backs. Look what’s happening at Mizzou – the ones who donate money and send their kids there stayed away. If these schools don’t develop some backbones they’ll be hit by lawsuits anyways.
You know … the only good Muslim is a dead one.
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Oh they’ll either fire him or have him killed. He’s a Jew. SDSU with be ethnically cleansed of Jews soon. Everyone knows that.
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Oh and, Britain was in control of Transjordan having gained it for being one of the winners of WW1, so they had the power to carve Israel out of that territory. Lesson being, if you want to move borders, you need to win a war. Really a no brainer.
After the UN tore the Mexican cession and Texas from the US, would it give that land back to the tribal people the Spanish-descended settlers stole it from? It is turtles all the way down, when you start doing that. One reason the Conquistadores were able to take over is because the Aztecs down in what is now Mexico D.F. were not beloved as you got out of the Aztec heartland and headed toward the Rio Grande.
Kevin R