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Venezuela Runs Out of Beer

Who needs beer when children are starving anyway?

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Venezuela's largest privately-owned beer company has stopped producing beer after running out of malted barley (or, more specifically, running out of foreign currency with which to buy malted barley).

The company, Empresas Polar, stopped production yesterday—it warned last week that it would run out of malted barley by then.

Polar is putting "your drunk uncle's favorite political forecast to the test," Francisco Toro of the Caracas Chronicles wrote. "You know the one I'm talking about, right? That one uncle of yours who gets drunk at every family gathering and starts to rant about how the only way we're going to get people mad enough to take to the streets and overthrow the government is if the beer runs out? Well, here you have it Tio."

Polar says it's been warning the country for a year about the need for sufficient access to foreign currency "to keep making products demanded by Venezuelans."

Beer now joins a long list of products and food that there have been shortages of in socialist Venezuela since the price of oil went down and the country's government did nothing to loosen its grip on the economy.

In Venezuela, there have been shortages of: Batteries, beef, birth control pills, bleach, brass, bread, breast implants, butter, cheese, chicken, chocolate, clothes iron, coffee, coffins, condensed milk, condoms, corn oil, deodorant, detergents, diapers, eggs, fabric softeners, fish, flour, French fries, fruits, gauze, hops, ice cream, insecticide, jams, juice, lentils, margarine, Marie biscuits, makeup, mayonnaise, medical gloves, milk, mouthwash, mustard, napkins, oatmeal, olives, pan de jamón, pasta, peas, pork, powdered milk, raisins, razors, rice, sanitary napkins, sacramental bread, sardines, satin, shampoo, shoes, skim milk, soap, sodas, sugar, sunflower oil, tires, toilet paper, toothbrushes, toothpaste, varnish, vegetables, water, wine, and more.

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337 responses to “Venezuela Runs Out of Beer

  1. Nothing will happen. If they didn’t overthrow the government when the toilet paper ran out they won’t overthrow it when the beer runs out. They’ll just make do and start making moonshine in the tub and buying their booze off the black market.

    1. The wonders of socialism. Dear leader has told people to grow their own food. That’s the plan, really. It’s going to work out really well for all of the people living in high rise apartments in Caracus. Does the idiot even know what it takes to grow all of your own food? Here’s a hint for him, it cannot be done on a 3×6′ veranda, in spite of his wildest commie dreams. I predict, sadly, that what’s going to happen is that some type of mass civil unrest will break out and the bus driver in chief is going to declare martial law and make himself dictator for life.

      1. Didn’t China attempt to force city dwellers to go work in the country during one of it’s revolutions? I wonder if that might be Venezuela’s next step.

        1. Pol Pot also comes to mind with this topic.

          1. See ! It worked wonders in Cambodia, will work wonders in Venezuela !

        2. Yeah the farmers loved having people who hardly knew one end of a goat from another on their farm. Nothing like being given a dozen complete noobs and told to train them for no extra pay.

          1. while they eat everything while picking leaving the farmer with nothing.

          2. while they eat everything while picking leaving the farmer with nothing.

    2. Except waste-expelling activities aren’t really very social and drinking is extremely so. And beer is far, far older and traditional than toilet paper. But if everyone switches to rum, they could just get to drink to rebel. Kind of a toss up. Especially since wine is already on that list. And diapers.

      Something really odd needs to be the final straw. Though overthrowing a socialist gov over ice cream would have been nice.

      1. *too drunk. Not me. Though it is noon where I am.

      2. I don’t think people will give up social drinking. I just think they’ve been so conditioned over the last few years to use the black market that the things official channels run out of almost don’t matter anymore.

        1. If the black market was so good then there would be few reports of rioting in Venezuela. When mass production at known locations shuts down due to overregulation and general lawlessness by government the black market can’t supply products at the price the over the counter market could.

      3. Except waste-expelling activities aren’t really very social

        What’s more social than getting hammered and vomiting over the balcony?

      4. But if everyone switches to rum, they could just get [too drunk] to rebel.

        That’s pretty much the history of the Anglophone Caribbean in a nutshell.

      5. If the hoarders would just stop stockpiling the beer then everyone would have some !

      6. While I hope you are right, look at how Islam has conquered much of the world, including places where beer was once very popular. Egypt in particular was the inverter of beer.

        If people are fanatical enough, they will overlook their history in favor of an ideology.

        1. The inverter of beer? What is the inverse of beer?

          1. It’s a method of drinking, usually done at colleges, where the consumer is tipped upside down before the consumption commences.

    3. I’d trade my stockpile of toilet paper for beer in a heartbeat. Can’t drink TP for breakfast.

      1. If you’ve had your tetanus shot you can try wiping with an empty can.

    4. It’s also a lot easier to replace TP with old books, newspapers, Sears catalogues, or even leaves. Producing moonshine is a lot more effort.

      1. Their currency is the best TP since it costs less due to inflation.

      2. Those Che Guevara t-shirts come in handy too.

      3. This is an opportunity to legalize marijuana, like in Uruguay.
        Best to do this before the kids kill themselves off huffing cheap gasoline…

    5. I’ve had homemade moonshine. Not too bad after the initial burn. If they’ve got corn, they can make shine.

      1. That’s a big “if” given how things are going.

  2. That’s it. Shut it down.

    1. Uh oh. Pl?yabot has slipped its bonds.

      1. Me no function beer well without.

  3. Looks like a bikini shortage would be a good thing

    1. Didn’t you see? There’s an implant shortage!

      1. No worry, dear leader will instruct the surgeons to make their own breast implants out of melted milk jug plastic. A true revolution requires genius like this.

      2. Well, I guess socialism isn’t all bad.

        1. I am also not a fan of implants. Saying I hate them would be an understatement.

          But Caracas used to be the boob job capital of the world. Won’t somebody think of the poor plastic surgeons?

          1. Nobody needs more than 32D when children are going hungry.

            1. 32Ds can feed a lot of hungry babies.

              1. Natural ones, yes.

  4. Socialism. It works until you run out of other people’s beer!

    1. Not so much works as lurches murderously.

  5. This is clearly Bush’s fault.

    1. Don’t you remember when Bush had the CIA to give Chavez cancer, to stop the glorious revolution? The capitalist pigs cannot stand to watch yet another country become the best through the miracles of socialism. They’d already planned to do the same with Bernie.

    2. As the saying goes… “When you’re out of Bush…”

  6. Greedy capitalists, is there anything they can’t do??

    1. It’s a monumental task to stop socialism from working, so they never rest.

  7. “Venezuela Runs Out of Beer”

    Socialism in 5 words.

    1. Shame they didn’t run out of government.

  8. I am betting that top Venezuela government officials have plenty of beer. And toilet paper.

    1. All of the progs here think that they’ll be part of the Vanguard after the glorious revolution. That’s what never reading a history book does for you.

      1. Some of them will be…for a time.

        1. Yea, for about 6 weeks, until the really evil shits take charge of the apparatus, much like modern college campuses, and purge all the elders for some small violation of progressiveness with a bullet to the back of the head.

    2. Odd isn’t it, how the leaders of these ‘peoples’ revolutions are always the last to run out of other people’s stuff.

      1. Their frugality sets an example for the proletariat.

      2. The fact that Chavez’s daughter has an estimated net worth of 4.2 billion dollars is just proof that the proles in Venezuela didn’t work hard enough and didn’t invest their money as smartly as the Chavez family.

    3. And cash. I play a “free to play” MMORPG that for some reason, is mostly Latin players. A good chunk of them are from Venezuela and are very vocal about it. They are also very big spenders (whales in MMORPG parlance)

      Not actually government officials themselves, but their children

  9. “A 3900-year-old Sumerian poem honouring Ninkasi, the patron goddess of brewing, contains the oldest surviving beer recipe, describing the production of beer from barley via bread.”

    It was a good run.

    1. Brian Adams sang about that in the Sumerian of 3900.

      1. Brian Adams lost all of his power when Robby Soave stole his hair.

        1. Rico Suave’s hair could fight Chuck Norris’s beard to a draw.

    2. Socialism: worse at producing fun living than ancient city-states.

  10. MARKET FAILURE! KORPORAYSHUNZ! KOCHTOPUS!

    Does that about cover the progsplaining?

    1. You don’t even know what socialism is!

      1. It’s where everything is free and no one has to work. Goods and services are produced by magic.

      2. This is an enduring one.

      3. Yes, socialism is the True Scottsman of public policy. All the mass-murdering assholes of the 20th century who called themselves socialists weren’t really, especially hitler! I said hitler! You’re all a bunch of meanies!

        -jcr

        1. The comparison is always theoretical socialism vs, real-world capitalism, never the reverse, or theoretical/real-world on both sides.

        2. and the real cases democratic socialism like Old Labor UK, Mapai Israel, and Nehru-Gandhi India

      4. Denmark ! Norway ! Sweden !

        1. are capitalist not socialist

    2. White cishetero patriarchy.

      1. Why assign a color to cishertero shitlords? ARE YOU A COLORIST?

  11. *Raises hand high and pours his Colt 45 on the sidewalk*

    For my hommes.

  12. Is there an IPA shortage as well?

    1. Yes, because I drank it all.

      1. You saved none for the orphans???? Asshole. Oh wait… TP. Never mind.

      2. Have you tried the Pineapple Sculpin yet? I think it is the best of the lot.

        1. I have all 3 flavors of Sculpin in the fridge right now. I like pineapple when drinking with dinner and grapefruit on an empty stomach.

          I’ve heard a lot of people poo poo the Watermelon Dorado, but at 10% ABV, I gladly accept.

          1. I’ve heard a lot of people poo poo the Watermelon Dorado

            I have a mental image of you listening at the door of the next stall.

              1. The store across the street just started stocking Watermelon Dorado. I’ll have to give it a try, but I normally am not into such high alcohol content in beers. I like drinking a few so I usually stick to 7% and under. Ballast Point makes some exceptional stuff though, they are now one of my favorite breweries. It brings me great joy to see even little corner marts stocking 50 + brands of beer.

                1. My favs tend to have very high ABV’s. Golden Monkey and Chimay are a couple I love. Definitely hit you though.

                  1. Gulden Draak.

                    That’s a sipping beer. Almost like a dessert beer, if there is such a thing.

                    1. I’m going to look for that. Love Belgians.

                  2. I’m at Costco right now, beer aisle. Chimay Blue Reserve, $10.79 each. sold.

                    1. Nice:)

                    2. Buy many cases. Winter is coming.

                    3. Real libertarians brew their own beer.

                2. I was about to preach about calories, but I looked it up, and I’ll be damned.

                  Dorado = 300 calories Sculpin = 210

                  Dorado has 42% more calories and 42% more alcohol.

                  May as well drink the Sculpins and stay hydrated.

                3. My home-town of Temecula recently saw the opening of a Ballast Point tasting room and restaurant–within walking distance of our condo. All sorts of tasty, interesting things on-tap.

                  1. Just went to the website.

                    I haven’t tried their California Amber. It says that it pairs well with “grilled meats”. Good enough for me.

        2. I was disappointed w/ the Pineapple Sculpin. Nice pineapple nose; was hoping for more pineapple-y taste. On the other hand–and I know it’s not an IPA–Mango Even Keel is delicious. Likely the go-to as the weather warms up. PM is spot-on w/ his Watermelon Dorado insight, too.

          1. That is actually why I like it, it only has a hint of pineapple taste.

          2. Do you guys really need to talk about your skin-care regimen here?

            1. Drinking beer is my skin care regimen in its entirety.

              1. You’re probably overlooking its other benefits

                1. Soon to be on the shelves of your favourite high end beer purveyor… The world’s first beer brewed with vaginal yeast. Yoni. They are looking for slogans.

                  http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fir…..-instinct#

                  1. Beer that tastes like vagina, eh?

                    I need to sit down and think about this for a minute.

                    1. I’m thinking that vagina that tastes like beer is better.

                  2. My two favorite things. I’d like to do a side by side comparison to the source. Quality control.

  13. Now seems like a good time to revisit this salon article

    http://www.salon.com/2013/03/0…..c_miracle/

    1. Kudos to them for not taking it down.

      But then again, they probably don’t even know how wrong they are.

      1. Kind of like how Reason hasn’t taken down their article about how Obamacare is the fix to the health care system

        (Not under that name, since this was before Obama)

    2. He came to be seen as a serious threat to the global system of corporate capitalism.

      LOLOLOLOL

      1. That right there, that’s some hardcore lulz.

    3. salon article

      It’s not nice to say re-tar-ded.

      1. At least I misspelled it.

        Oh wait no I didn’t.

    4. Wow. I wonder what the commenters would say now

      1. They’d defend it as entirely factual. They’d say everything Chavez did was hugely successful, but that he was undermined after his death and Maduro has been ‘less than helpful’.

        You can always ask the author here He seems to be promoting the fact that he’s advised both Bernie & Hillary. Maybe his fandom of Chavez should be added to his resume.

        1. Went to Dave Sirota’s website (gah). Among other things, site loudly proclaims his love of microbrews because douche hipster; if he could grow a beard, it’d be stage 5 lumberjack at Dave’s house.

          I almost wonder how the dissonance between microbrew love and socialism love plays out in Dave’s compact mind; perhaps not at all for sake of efficiency.

      2. They’d say that everything was going great until the unfortunate demise of the great leader. See, this is how progs are, they truly believe that if only the right comrade numero uno comes along, utopia will arrive. Obama was the right guy, but Rethuglicans, you know the rest.

    5. I couldn’t make it past these two statements – was afraid I’d drop dead from laughter:

      “He, for instance, amassed a troubling record when it came to protecting human rights and basic democratic freedoms..”

      “In an age marked by America’s drone assaults, civil liberties abuses, and war on voting,….”

      1. Meanwhile, the Bulgarians are protesting compulsory voting.

        1. It’s coming here. There will be a penaltax for anyone who doesn’t vote.

        2. Brazil forces everybody to vote at gunpoint. The Presidenta is being impeached, the Preacher of the House is under federal indictment–along with all the Captains of Industry and Lord of Creation whose phones were tapped by the NSA. All and all, compulsory suffrage been berry berry good to me.
          There is alluva sudden a quasi-libertarian Partido Novo!

    6. No, Chavez became the bugaboo of American politics because his full-throated advocacy of socialism and redistributionism at once represented a fundamental critique of neoliberal economics, and also delivered some indisputably positive results

      Comedy gold.

  14. Who needs beer when children are starving anyway?

    Umm…me?

    1. + AlmightyJB

    2. me me me

  15. “Hi Ed,

    This is all a Capitalist conspiracy. See, it’s the rest of the world’s fault for not switching to socialism at the same time as Venezuela. If the rest of the world did as they morally should, Venezuela wouldn’t look so bad and when I visited the starving dieting Venezuelan people, I could tell them that it wasn’t that bad in Venezuela and the rest of the world had problems too! It’s the intentions that count, not the outcome!”

    /AmSoc Derp

  16. I can’t believe you guys are worried about shortages of trivial things like food, toilet paper, jobs, etc. when Venezuela still doesn’t recognize gay marriage.

    Where are your priorities?

    1. Where are your priorities?

      Well, some prioritize avoiding fallacies of relative privation.

      *shrugs*

      1. We prefer equivocation.

    2. I can’t believe you guys are worried about shortages of trivial things like food, toilet paper, jobs, etc. when Venezuela still doesn’t recognize gay marriage.

      +1 Iran has no gay people

      1. +1 China has gay people but it’s Western oppression

    3. Ken, I think you’ve solved it. If only Venezuela had transsexual bathroom rights, all would be well.

    4. They could legalize weed, coke and acid. That would change the subject in a big hurry. I’d wager folks will rush thither with beer to barter.
      There are all kinds of angles to this relative advantage business.

  17. What? No shortage of zebras?

    1. I’ll bet there’s a shortage of Zambonis.

  18. Hurr durr, next time we will get it right.
    We just need to get a brilliant team of the right top men.
    Why won’t you guys just recognize that the alternative is utter chaos?!??

    1. This wouldn’t happen if Bernie were in charge because Bernie cares about people.

      1. Exactly, ken! All you terrible clingers just want to pretend that this is the only outcome. I know in my heart bernie cares more. He won’t let me run out of my new favorite beer, State pilsner 3.

        1. I like State Pilsner 3. It doesn’t have that raw sewage taste like State Ale 2.

        2. State pilsner 1! Because why choices?

        3. 3 is much better than 1 or 2 was because they added more water to make it healthier.

          1. Speaking of water, I was at the Jerk Store yesterday, and they have an ENTIRE AISLE of water. Dozens, if not hundreds of different brands of water.

            I wonder how Bernie feels about that?

            1. Whole Foods?

              1. Yes. Where most of the Bernie supporters seem to shop.
                I saw at least a dozen Bernie stickers in the parking lot.

                1. Every flipping car here has one.

                2. Yeah, same thing here. They all hate capitalism though. Like the girl with “resist capitalism” scrawed on her iPhone

                  1. My favorite was a woman I used to work with who had a Che Guevara key chain for her Lexus SUV.

                    1. Bernie will eliminate choices for all the gross poories, but he’ll let me keep my favorite products because I’m on the right side of history

          2. There… are… four… beers!

            1. The real torture is the Cardassian lager.

              1. Kanar is a bit of an acquired taste.

      2. You just don’t understand. We’re not going to be like Venezuela, we’re going to be like Sweden!

  19. Ed, since you didn’t name feminine hygiene products on your list of shortages, socialism must be a success.

    1. Birth control is on there though.

      1. It’s like Venezuela doesn’t care about rights!

        1. Well they don’t need birth control pills because abortion is free. There is only a 3 year waiting list for that.

          1. Long waits are good because people can chat and bond while queued. It’s the sign of a healthy, robust economy.

          2. Sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is when people are lining up for abortions. That’s a good thing. In other countries, people don’t line up for abortions. The rich get the abortions and the poor birth to death.

      2. Birth control is on there though.

        Birth control is a product of imperialism, colonialism, patriarchy-ism, capitalism, Protestantism, conservatism, and greed.

        1. I forgot transgenderedcisheteronormativism.

    2. “Ed, since you didn’t name feminine hygiene products on your list of shortages, socialism must be a success.”

      “Sanitary napkins” is on the list. That used to be the polite term.

      People talk openly about things they didn’t used to talk about.

      Back in the day, gay guys were “confirmed bachelors”.

    3. they are sanitary napkins is commonwealth english for pads

  20. It’s not socialism. Read the link. It’s “Bolivarinism”.

    1. It’s just a branding and messaging problem, right?

      1. Well, they did run out of “other peoples money” i.e. U.S. dollars.

    2. So if you put a bowl over your head to get a haircut and dress like an Inca, then it will all work?

  21. If they had the right people in charge, there wouldn’t be any shortages, since by definition the “right people” are perfectly omniscient. Real socialism by definition has the right people.

    See, if people actually knew what socialism is, they would find it agreeable. Unfortunately, the current people in charge (corporations, big banks) propagandize too well.

  22. When i read the headline, i pictured this reaction on a national-scale

  23. I think I found out why Venezuela has run out of beer. Maduro is into cosplay.

  24. In Venezuela, there have been shortages of: … deodorant

    Bernie Sanders approves

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  26. Important if true

    What kind of constituent service does *your* representative offer?

    1. Super admirable woman. Thanks for the link.

  27. BEARS: LEONARD FLOYD APPROVES OF DEEP-DISH PIZZA

    “”If I had three thumbs I would hold all of them up,” Floyd said. “Pizza was awesome, awesome.””

    (autoplay)

    1. I hope they go 0-16 for that. Then lose their draft pick because of a cheating scandal.

  28. A big part of the blame for this is on America, which left Iraq without solving this crisis it created.

    ….

    U.S. officials are concerned that the political crisis will have a negative effect on the country’s fight against the Islamic State, leading to a flurry of high level visits in recent weeks. “Now is not the time for government gridlock or bickering,” President Obama said of the crisis in Iraq during a visit to Saudi Arabia last week. He said that he was “concerned” by the situation.

    I don’t really agree with the Protester’s “blame America” shtick… though there’s some limited truth to it.

    the “protesters” (as far as i can tell) are basically Shiite mobs demanding more power for their mafia-like, half-religious/half-military organizations

    the main complaint seems to be that the country is fucking broke; despite aid from the US & Iran, corruption eats up 50% of their budget at least.

    That US aid (might) vanish if the Sadrists take more power. Or maybe not. We’ve been subsidizing Iranian interests for so long you wonder if they really care anymore. I think its cute Obama pretends surprise.

    1. I don’t really agree with the Protester’s “blame America” shtick… though there’s some limited truth to it.

      Right? Who could ever blame the US for the problems in Iraq. I mean, sheesh, get a brain, morans. Go USA!

      1. Incredibly shallow response.

      2. Well, it was such a peaceful well run country before we got there. Its not like the Shia’s and the Sunni’s had been waiting to get a shot at murdering each other for hundreds of years or anything.

        Whatever you think of the wisdom of our invasion, the likely counter factual was Saddam eventually dying and the country turning into what Syria is now after his cruel idiot sons tried to take over. Saddam was in poor health was unlikely to live more than a few more years. After he died, there was no one with the kind of magnetism and who inspired the kind of fear and respect he did to replace him. His sons were universally hated. That is why the US caught them so fast. They had no friends and were quickly turned in for the reward. Once Saddam was gone, the country would have completely fell apart and into chaos.

        1. Well, it was such a peaceful well run country before we got there.

          You seem to have misunderstood what i was quoting.

          The Iraqi was blaming America FOR LEAVING and leaving a cabal of corrupt cronies in their wake.

          IOW, the ‘critic’ wanted America to say and ‘fix everything’.

          1. I didn’t. I was responding to Juice. The Iraqis are worthless pieces of shit. Leaving Iraq is the one thing Obama got right. Those stupid fuckers had 8 years and 10,000 American lives to get their shit together and they couldn’t do it. Fuck them. They must like living in a shit hole. Outside of the Kurds, I don’t care if they all die.

            1. I was responding to Juice.

              Sorry, so was i. Threading.

        2. It’s true about the warring tribes thing. But I fail to see how we improved things. We could have avoided a lot of unnecessary death and destruction and spending billions if we would have just left it the fuck alone. Because now what will happen is that it will just go back to exactly the same state it was in before. Western democracy is foreign to a lot of peoples, they don’t understand it and don’t want it. And I really can’t see who gave us the divine right to force our ways on other cultures. So if we just leave, they will go back to their warring factions, someone will eventually get the upper hand and you’ll have yourself another Saddam, same as the old Saddam. Or worse, another caliphate in the ME. It’s that or perpetual war, with us footing the bill in blood and dollars.

          1. It will stabilize eventually – the Pax Ottomana lasted almost 500 years. But the instability, IMHO, is a feature, not a bug, of the outside influences in the area. A resurgent Persian Empire would be a major power, and would have a *whole* lot of oil.

          2. Because now what will happen is that it will just go back to exactly the same state it was in before

            Not quite.

            I think the end-state here is… well, close to “the way things actually are”. And the fights happening now will be going on for a long time.

            Namely =

            – “Baghdad to Basra” becomes de-facto West Iran

            – Anbarprovince becomes South-East Syria (aka “ISIS-stan”, or The Sunni Caliphate of Dirt)

            – and the Kurds become engaged in near-perpetual warfare with both over who actually controls Mosul on their north-western flank, and the oil-reserves in Diyala to the south of them.

            The “speculative maps” of this from 5 or more years ago is actually quite close to how things are actually playing out in reality.

            1. ^ I think this is exactly right.

              1. And once “”Baghdad to Basra” becomes de-facto West Iran,” the Saudi Royal family starts losing a lot of sleep.

        3. Well, it was such a peaceful well run country before we got there. Its not like the Shia’s and the Sunni’s had been waiting to get a shot at murdering each other for hundreds of years or anything.

          I don’t get how you miss the point here – if we hadn’t invaded they’d *still* be waiting to get a shot a murdering each other. And if the government collapsed and they started murdering each other – *then we’d have had no part in it*, instead of creating the very conditions that lead to their leaping out to murder each other.

          Now, I agree that there’s no reason for us to have stuck around – ‘moral responsibility’ to fix the mess we created is one thing, its quite another when your country has shown, over decades and in multiple places around the world, that it has no fething idea how to ‘fix’ these situations and only has two tools – kill or bribe – in its tool box.

    2. “Now is not the time….”

      I got that far and knew it was an Obama quote.

      1. There are some who say that now is the time…

      2. This is a happy occasion, now is not the time bicker over who killed who.

    1. Trump seems to inspire “young people and union members” wherever he goes.

    1. Great idea, Maybe there’s a place in the world with lots of Muslims where she can go propose it. I mean assuming she’s not just signalling.

    2. This article is going to precipitate revolutionary change and not just dismissive Uh huhs and eye-rolls. I’m sure of it.

    3. I don’t want to hear any more about how dumb evangelicals. And its not just this woman. It is a good number of the people who commented on the article too. These people are too stupid and ignorant to live. I read things like this and I really think our civilization is doomed.

      1. American progs truly believe that radical Islam is on their side. I mean it’s everyone vs the white patriarchy, right?

        1. Their entire world view depends on the idea that the US and white males and western imperialism is the root of all evil in the world. They literally cannot account for something like radical Islam to exist. The West, in Progs view is supposed to be the source of all evil in the world. So, there cannot by definition be anything more evil than the west or any evil in the world that isn’t a reaction too the west. Progressivism really is a form of insanity.

          1. But Arabs are white ? when it’s convenient, and not when it isn’t.

            1. So are a very large percentage of people in Central and South America. But progs like to call all of them ‘people of color’ because it inflates their army of good people fighting against the evil white devils.

              1. ^ This.

                I remember back when Antonito Banderas was somebody and he was taking part in some big rally about the “oppression of Latino peoples” and speaking out against the evils of imperialism, etc.

                And I just couldn’t help thinking at the time “you’re fucking Spanish. IT WAS YOUR PEOPLE WHO CAUSED THE FUCKING PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!”

                To then turn around and package himself as one of the victim races was just precious.

                1. Cortez and his gang were quite ruthless, as was Pizzaro. Cunning and brave, but ruthless. But it’s not like the Aztec and Inca were not ruthlessly oppressing their surrounding neighbors when the Spanish showed up, so I’m not sure at all what makes the Spanish more evil? They were white? Funny, now they’re not white. Only Europeans are White, except for those from the Iberian peninsula, they’re magically ‘people of color’.

                  1. “I’m not sure at all what makes the Spanish more evil?”

                    For Progs it’s because they used to be European, yes. They became African somehow in the last couple of decades – maybe it follows from Christopher Walken’s monologue about Sicilians in True Romance, I don’t know. The Aztecs were one with nature, therefore their civilization is morally invisible.

                    But I actually think the Spanish Empire is an excellent example of the utter failure of centralized government. They tried more than probably any other empire in history to centralize power absolutely on the Spanish Crown and it was an abject disaster. It was insanely expensive, and outlying provinces had to wait years for any actions requiring government, which was basically everything.

                    People avoided economic development because there was no point to it – everything belonged to the Crown. De Anza found silver in Durango, for example, but simply ignored it and moved on, because it would all belong to the king in the end, anyway.

              2. Progs? Libertarians like to place the race card every chance they can as well

      2. “I don’t want to hear any more about how dumb evangelicals.”

        ^ This.

        They think evangelicals are an easy target and that it makes them look sophisticated to dismiss them.

        But its worth mentioning at least my own personal experience that in grad school studying literature by far the brightest member of my cohort was an evangelical studying medieval lit. She should have been snatched up upon completing her thesis, but she could only get a job at Wheaton because, you know, she couldn’t *possibly* be smart *and* evangelical.

        1. Many of the smartest people I’ve ever met are Mormons, incidentally.

          1. I respect Mormons and Evangelicals, even while disagreeing with many of their views, because they are not passive acceptances of whatever religion society makes easiest – it takes a certain level of commitment and conviction. I respect Sikhs for the same reason.

            1. Same. Anyone with the fortitude to endure that unwavering privation of self.

              Me, I’m Goldmund, and I can’t see that changing.

              1. Path of fire, path of smoke. I too prefer the path of smoke, but can respect the fire-people.

      3. And its not just this woman. It is a good number of the people who commented on the article too.

        Huh? There are 8 comments and 6 of them tear her a new one. A sample:

        Sorry, I would not ally with the Muslims against the Christians any more than vice versa. In fact, given that Muslim societies produce the most anti-secular, anti-liberty laws and vigilantism at this point in time around the world, there is even less cause to ally with them. I’d support individuals of any religion or ethnicity against bigotry, but there will be no “alliance” between me and bullshit-mongers of any kind. And if you think Islam promulgates secularism as a general principle, gosh, you have a lot to learn.

        Another:

        Pure gibberish.
        Islam is Islam is Islam and if you cupcakes think that an “alliance” between Muslims and ATHEISTS is viable, let alone desirable, I truly believe you have taken leave of your senses.
        Not a single OIC member country is even vaguely a liberal democracy such as has been constructed by WHITE CHRISTIANS.
        If Muslims really have suffered discrimination and bigotry here in the West5 , esp after 9/11 , I truly dgaf. They do not belong here at all. They have made their long term goals abundantly clear and people who think they can be serviceable “allies” in some unicorns and rainbows project to “Increase the Peace and Liberty” are really deluded.

        1. If Muslims really have suffered discrimination and bigotry here in the West5 , esp after 9/11 , I truly dgaf. They do not belong here at all. They have made their long term goals abundantly clear and people who think they can be serviceable “allies” in some unicorns and rainbows project to “Increase the Peace and Liberty” are really deluded.

          Idiotic collectivist argument versus idiotic collectivist argument

          My money’s on the idiotic collectivist argument, and all of us for the lose.

          1. If Muslims really have suffered discrimination and bigotry here in the West5 , esp after 9/11 , I truly dgaf. They do not belong here at all.

            Or they could just leave a bad review on yelp.

    4. Great plan, I mean atheists really don’t need their head anyway, right?

      1. They need the godhead.

        😉

      2. +1 what the dormouse said

    5. Speaking as an atheist, I’d rather take my chances with the evangelicals and Mormons. The worst they ever did to me when I’ve told them I was an atheist is say that they would pray for me. Which is kind of insulting, but they at least meant well.

      Now when Utah or SC start issuing death penalties for being atheist the same way they do in muslim majority countries then I might consider allying with muslims. Until then, I have no interest in allying myself with a group that wants to put my head on stake.

    6. Speaking as an atheist, I’d rather take my chances with the evangelicals and Mormons. The worst they ever did to me when I’ve told them I was an atheist is say that they would pray for me. Which is kind of insulting, but they at least meant well.

      Now when Utah or SC start issuing death penalties for being atheist the same way they do in muslim majority countries then I might consider allying with muslims. Until then, I have no interest in allying myself with a group that wants to put my head on stake.

  29. http://www.citylab.com/housing…..fier/8877/

    Sorry, white people. There’s Basically No Way Not to Be a Gentrifier.

    1. Please tell me that was satire. I could only read sp much and didnt make it to the punch line.

      1. You’ll probably see the punch line in the mail – look for the envelope marked “Department of Revenue.”

    2. White people just need to die. For the children!

      1. That’s right, comrade. All white people need to die and we need to be exactly like Sweden, which is ran by white people.

    3. As a result, we tend to carry a lot of guilt about our living arrangements. We have a lot of conversations about whether or not it’s acceptable to live in our current neighborhood, or the one we’d like to live in.

      So go live in the suburbs and commute to work!

      Oh wait, you just wrote that your ‘cohort’ finds the suburbs icky and that to live there is immoral.

      At least I know where I can avoid these self-righteous (and yet guilt-ridden [thanks, karma!]) twats. Yes, quarantine yourselves in culturally ‘rich’ urban environments.

      PS. You know what’s a good gentrifying mechanism? A much-higher-than-market-value mandated wage.

      1. Yes – and it never occurs to him that he could move into one of these “cool” urban slums and, I don’t know, go on food stamps or clean the bathrooms at a gas station for minimum wage somewhere, or something like that. Or take a pay cut on his awesome degree-requiring job in the name of income equality.

        I mean, *that* would be a way to “not-gentrify,” wouldn’t it?

        1. Pff. Those jobs are for Mexicans and white trash.

      2. You know, I tried the “living in a rich neighborhood” schtick for a couple years – it fucking sucked being broke all the time.

        1. A few of my friends found sugar daddies as foundations for living in such places. That’s, uh, one way to do it.

      3. Go live in the boonies and work from home.

        A friend of mine, even though he’s a lib, quit his job in San Diego and moved to a farm in Kentucky, from where he runs a consulting business conducted over the internet. He’s extremely happy.

    4. I love how the article starts with what ALMOST seems to be a degree of self-awareness that *maybe*, just maybe…. he and his left-wing urbanite friends have a problem themselves… and that its nothing to do with the outside world they think they’re “gentrifying”. Its all to do with their own retarded ignorance and their class-narratives.

      But then… no. He proceeds to determine that the problem is that the Rent Controls aren’t “Smart” enough and the poor people need more subsidies. TOP MEN will fix this!

      1. “start by lobbying your local government for housing subsidies for the low-income, protections against eviction due to rising rents, and an end to exclusionary caps on housing construction that keep prices artificially high.”

        Wouldn’t “protections against eviction due to rising rents” = “exclusionary caps on housing construction that keep prices artificially high”?

        This poor boy is so confused it’s almost cute.

        1. Exactly.

    5. Friend’s wife’s mom bought a house in a sketchy neighborhood and they live there now. I joked that Spike Lee is upset about that – he laughed. Most of us white urban professionals just aren’t that butt-hurt about this stuff.

    6. I missed this little gem from the comments before:

      “I would kindly suggest that if the single biggest problem you have is balancing fourth-or fifth order moral imperatives, just shut up and live your life.”

  30. The calculation problem should be taught in middle school.

  31. They are feeling the beern!

  32. Latino Protestors vow more Trump protests.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/l…..story.html

    Its amazing how stupid these people are. I don’t mean the protesters themselves but the leaders and the agitators. If Trump isn’t paying them for doing this, he should be paying them. They are doing real damage to their cause and making it more likely Trump gets elected. I could understand if they had one protest, saw the results and then decided against it. But they just keep going retard. It doesn’t matter how obviously unproductive and damaging these protests are, the solution is always more retard. I can’t understand it.

    1. Did you see the one with the sign that said something to the effect of ‘Make America Mexico again’. WTF? Seriously? You left Mexico and came to America to make America Mexico? Is everyone sure that peak derp cannot be reached?

      1. That shit has been going on for a long time. There is a certain breed of immigrant who spends much of their time telling anyone who will listen how the US is so much worse than wherever they came from. How the contradiction between that and the fact that they left there to come to the US never bothers them or even occurs to them is beyond me.

        1. I dont think Ive ever heard that from a soviet immigrant to the US.

          1. Me either. I have only heard it from Latin Americans.

            1. I’m sure you’d hear it from Canadians but they keep away from DC.
              Oh, I bet Danes, Germans and such are also all up in it.

              1. I had a German go off on how much this country sucks a couple years back. Rich guy who owned several car dealerships. Didn’t think the construction company I worked for had done a good job. Which in fairness, it hadn’t. He blamed American culture and went off about German work ethic and commitment to quality, etc. I don’t know why he left.

                1. A lot of Europeans who have never been to the USA and don’t know anyone here seem to think that America is like that film, Mad Max. Gun crazies riding around in giant flame belching SUVs with machine guns mounted on the top.

                  1. Why would they think America is like Australia? Oh I get it – they’re stupid.

                2. He needed some living space?

                  1. “He needed some living space?”

                    I think you may be onto it with that one. . . .

                3. went off about German work ethic and commitment to quality, etc.

                  I’d like to talk to him about my Passat, the worst piece of shit car I ever owned.

                  1. I had a number of thoughts I did not speak. It didn’t feel like the right moment.

        2. There is a certain breed of immigrant who spends much of their time telling anyone who will listen how the US is so much worse than wherever they came from.

          That takes care of itself in the 2nd and 3rd generation.

      2. Mexico is in America. They just want to extend Mexico such that all the Americas are equivalent to the Mexicos.

        One day you will be able to get great nachos at all corners of this what-will-be-what-was-once-a nation.

        1. And if you went to Mexico and said “Make this US”, they would likely shoot you. But that is totally different because RACISM.

          1. They’ll also throw your gringo ass in the pokey if you are there illegally. It will probably cost you mucho dollars to get out and then they’ll send you back. This is no way is related to my views on immigration, it’s just a fact.

          2. Pointless bit of trivia – it is already United States of Mexico (pre Santa Anna their constitution was inspired by USA one).

            USA is also the only country in the world with “America” in its name, so calling it America is fine.

            1. All Brazilians will tell you that they’re Americans too, South Americans. They call us ‘Norte Americanos’. If you call them Hispanic or Latin they’ll get pissed.

              1. I’ve seen this shirt before.

                Let’s split the difference and just call them all “people of color”! How bout it?

        2. I’m willing to give them Cali in a deal. They get Cali, but they cannot let any of the progs leave from there and escape back to the USA.

          1. What about us hella dank non-progs in Cali? 🙁

            1. You can leave. But no progs. We’ll check your derpbook and tweeter at the border.

              1. But… But I like it here. Addicted to the sun. Please don’t have me face those withdrawals!

                Can’t we just put all them progs in Minnesota or Illinois or something?

                I don’t have derpbook or tweeter. I can’t prove I’m even human.

                1. I know I’ve asked this before, and I probably forgot, but where do you live?

                  I don’t feel bad about not remembering since this is a beer thread.

                2. “Can’t we just put all them progs in Minnesota or Illinois or something?”

                  I’ve always felt that this is the most attractive solution to our problem. A lot of our problem people are descended from Midwestern radical cranks, anyway – and they have such faith in the omnipotence of government that they should just pass laws that Minnesota be pleasant.

                  I can’t seem to convince anyone, though.

                  1. Send them to Canada. Canada will love it. It’s a WIN/WIN. Haven’t they been promising to move there anyway for like the last 20 years?

                    1. While Liberal Party has always been enthusiastic enact or of Voter Importation Program, they are currently counting on more reliable, easily Community Leadered blocks.

                    2. That’s pretty workable, I think – especially if we cede Oregon & Washington west of the Cascades to Canada. It would simply become a Prog magnet all by itself. I think this bears some serious looking into.

                3. +1 grabassing piece of amphibian shit

      3. Peak derp was reached during a conversation I had with a prog re: the minimum wage.

        Prog: You know, we fought a war over the minimum wage.

        Me: Huh?

        Prog: It’s called the Civil War.

        Me: Huh?

        Prog: It’s called slavery. Without the minimum wage, we’d all be slaves, making nothing. It would be a race to the bottom.

        ……….

        I challenge anyone to top that

        1. Did you ask him if there were any slaves in the north right before the civil war? I mean he said we’d all be slaves and I’m pretty sure minimum wage was not a thing in 1860.

          1. By the time you’ve recovered your ability to speak, and a notion of where even to begin to address that clusterfuck of incoherent unstated assumptions, the conversation has long ended.

          2. The minimum wage wasn’t even a thing in 1920.

            1. The minimum wage isn’t even a thing in Sweden in 2016.

          3. I couldn’t respond. I was basically like – I can’t even…

        2. Dumbass, you’ve never heard of the Civil War, brah?

          Q: At what point does “wage slavery” become not-“wage slavery”?

          A: $15. (For now.)

          1. A: $15. More

          2. Slaves couldn’t quit their job, by penalty of death. People making minimum wage can.

        3. Which is why we all work for the minimum wage today!

          1. Sure a tiny fraction of people make a bit more, but we all work for very close to the minimum.

            1. Peopke who believe in the race for the bottom are people who dont believe they have a good enough skill to be valuable to others.

        4. Without the minimum wage, we’d all be slaves, making nothing. It would be a race to the bottom.

          Where’s the equality in a minimum wage? Why not a maximum wage of $15?

        5. Wow. Now that’s award-winning derp right there. It takes a special kind of stupid to say something so ridiculously fallacious. You’re best hope in such a situation is to walk away, as there is not a trace of logic or reason left in left in their heads.

    2. I spent all day reading all of the Reason articles about the violent protesters.

      1. Can you imagine the pants shitting that would occur if Trump protesters had a riot? It would be all they wrote about for weeks. This happens and its crickets all around.

        1. I’m sure someone will tug someone’s arm and we can have fifty articles on it.

          1. Tug it’s arm!!!111!!!

      2. Those poor folk were triggered by the presence of the Donald. It’s ok if they behave in an uncivilized way, totally not their fault.

    3. “While I share the community’s anger and frustration, destroying public property is not the answer,” Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-Norwalk) said Friday in a statement.

      Linda Sanchez seems sane. She probably won’t be listened to.

      1. Private property OTOH…

        1. Crystals are so pretty. Especially at night…

          1. Ain’t no T!

    4. Most likely the leaders hope to provoke counter violence from the Trump supporters. They know that, while the media are all pianissimo on left wing violence, they will broadcast any Trumpist physical pushback fortissimo . It’s classic Alinsky tactics.

      Remember the other day when Trump’s campaign manager might or might not have grabbed that reporter’s arm and the incident was reported like the Viking invasions plus the rape of the Sabines?

  33. NC Bathroom Law meets the real world:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1s5e4RXDjM

    Police drag woman out of the woman’s bathroom after deciding she’s not sufficiently feminine looking for their tastes.

    1. I totally did not see that coming.

    2. You can tell she’s a lesbian because she looks like Bieber.

      Cops aren’t very keen and discriminating.

      1. Looks like a guy to me.

        1. Either way, the person is likely attracted to women; and therefore trying to use that restroom so that s/he can sneak a peek and harass some pretty girls who are defecating or urinating.

          Thank god the heroes got rid of xem.

          1. There’s nothing as hot as a chick who’s grunting while trying to squeeze out a turd.

            1. You mean a chick who doesn’t drink enough water or eat enough fiber?? Obscene.

      2. Wonder what cops would have done if she went straight into the mens room?

    3. This might sound strange at first, but I think the LGBT community and Muslims should form an alliance

      1. You’re onto something. I think I’ll ally with some handsome gay Muslims.

    4. My default assumption is that these sorts of things are all done by agent provocateurs trying to “create an event”

      I’m not saying that ‘what’s being shown isn’t what’s actually happening‘ – but that the conditions leading up to the event aren’t what they might appear to be.

      Basically, i would expect the NC law to lead to lots of LGBT activists showing up in public places and getting in lines to use “whatever bathroom they want” and hope to get some good footy out of a ‘reaction’.

      Why wouldn’t they? Its too easy.

      To me, the entire issue of trying to legislate “who gets to piss where” is something entirely ginned up out of nothing to try and “create a fight” where one didn’t really exist.

      1. Seriously, I can’t believe people are worried about that bathroom shit when Venezuela just ran out of beer.

      2. To me, the entire issue of trying to legislate “who gets to piss where” is something entirely ginned up out of nothing to try and “create a fight” where one didn’t really exist.

        Yeah, I mean, it’s all tribalism fundamentally. Were there no adversity or ‘problems,’ people would be moved to fabricate them. (Which itself is a problem that must be addressed!!!) Reason #n-illiongodzillion why utopia will never come to pass.

        1. its a complete coincidence that we’ve turned to “OMG WHERE WILL THE TRANNIES PEE??” after gay-marriage (or marriage-cake-baking-refusals) has become a snoozer for rallying the base.

          So they need to find New Culture-War Battles to fight.

          I don’t know who said it here, but its been one of my favorite quotes of the last decade ….

          re: Culture-Warriors/SJW types = “It is not victory they seek, but perpetual conflict

          (paraphrased – can’t remember the original wording)

          1. Can’t actually definitively solve or ameliorate problems? what would they to with themselves? How would they signal??

            1. The entire point is to define an “Us” and a “Them”.

              “Us” being the right-thinking ones, and “Them” being everyone else.

              The reason the moron above in the CityLab article who ended up recommending “more rules” to “fix” the gentrification “problem” comes to the conclusions he does? is because *they’re the only culturally acceptable ones* – never mind that they don’t make any fucking sense.

              Someone who thinks like him will never come to the obvious conclusions because they are ideas belonging to Un-Cool people. Therefore, ‘de-regulation’ of housing markets is by default an impossible option. Even if it “helped the poor” and provided more affordable housing for everyone. Those are Bad People Choices. And Good People don’t accept Bad People ideas.

              It reminds me of the guy who i consider the “Smartest Idiot” in America, Freddy DeBoer. He’s constantly identifying exactly the problem with “The Left”. Yet he’s perpetually arguing that they can somehow ‘get past this culture-warring stuff and come together with rational Leftist solutions’

              basically, he doesn’t seem to accept that no one cares about the “issues” for their own sake. They only care about being part of the “in-group” of the US-People. Beyond that, there is no utility to politics at all.

              1. Of course Reason thinks that if they ally with the SJWs on public accommodation laws then they will stop seeing them as “bad thinking people” despite the fact they are pretty explicitly opposed to libertarian economics.

  34. I appreciate that you all are trying so hard to stay on topic.

    1. You saw how many comments were here and thought we were fighting off trolls?

    2. This isn’t a CHAT ROOM. I mean come ON.

      1. I thought this was a dating site?

        1. hi u gt pix?

          1. Just took this. If you want to hook up you better hurry.

            http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/i…..03/893.jpg

        2. It worked for sloopy and/or banjos.

          1. Yes. That worked out very well for Sloopy.

            1. I accept backhanded compliments.

        3. I thought this was a dating site?

          Hmmmm.. Predominantly older than represented. Overwhelmingly male. Kinda obnoxious…

          Yup. Dating site.

    3. More than not reading the articles? I don’t even read the titles!

      But I make sure to read the bylines so I can bitch at the author for doing some vague-something wrong.

      1. Krayewski will only be alarmed when Venezuela runs out of cocktails.

        1. Damn, that’s good. Upset with myself that I missed it.

  35. Anyone check out Venezuelanalysis.com? There’s your Chavista apologists. From what I can gather most of their apologia articles consist mostly of “the MSM is parroting rich right-wing propaganda to destroy the glorious people’s revolution!”

    Oh and I love that they claim to be “independent” yet their affiliates are mostly pro-government entities.

    1. +1 one hundred trillion Zimbabwe dollar bill

    2. Yeah, but look how low their socialized health care spending is, especially now with the shortages.

      Of course, you have to adjust for inflation.

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  38. Is it just me, or do the “promoted comments” consist entirely of the derpiest derp that ever derped? It’s usually some Bernie Bro spouting off communist talking points. And on this article, there’s some white supremacist tirade.

    1. Pay to troll?
      Intended or not,
      I’m thinking it could get some mileage?

      Low on the radar in CA, and still have(ing a) beer…

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  41. Of course we know who’s really behind this:
    https://au.pinterest.com/pin/304767099760250364/

  42. not joe’s fault. he just supported the shit. he didn’t implement it.

  43. No jobs, no condoms, no birth control pills…and the only thing they have to pass the time is to get it on. Baby boom coming.

  44. RE: Federal Court Condemns Congress for Giving Unconstitutional Regulatory Powers to Amtrak
    D.C. Circuit strikes down federal law that “grants Amtrak, a self-interested entity, power to regulate its competitors.”

    Beer now joins a long list of products and food that there have been shortages of in socialist Venezuela since the price of oil went down and the country’s government did nothing to loosen its grip on the economy.

    In Venezuela, there have been shortages of: Batteries, beef, birth control pills, bleach, brass, bread, breast implants, butter, cheese, chicken, chocolate, clothes iron, coffee, coffins, condensed milk, condoms, corn oil, deodorant, detergents, diapers, eggs, fabric softeners, fish, flour, French fries, fruits, gauze, hops, ice cream, insecticide, jams, juice, lentils, margarine, Marie biscuits, makeup, mayonnaise, medical gloves, milk, mouthwash, mustard, napkins, oatmeal, olives, pan de jam?n, pasta, peas, pork, powdered milk, raisins, razors, rice, sanitary napkins, sacramental bread, sardines, satin, shampoo, shoes, skim milk, soap, sodas, sugar, sunflower oil, tires, toilet paper, toothbrushes, toothpaste, varnish, vegetables, water, wine, and more.

    Let’s just call Venezuela South Cuba.
    It cuts through a lot of bullshit.

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