Marco Rubio Says He'll Endorse Donald Trump, Now That It's 'Apparent' Hillary Clinton Will Be Dem Nominee

A sign of things to come for "Never Trump"?

CNN

Marco Rubio told a Miami radio station he would endorse Donald Trump if Trump, the Republican presidential frontrunner, secured the nomination.

"I've always said I'm going to support the Republican nominee," Rubio said, according to the Washington Post, "and that's especially true now that it's apparent that Hillary Clinton" will be the Democratic nominee.

The second part of that quote is particularly telling. Would Rubio have felt more comfortable rejecting Trump and what he means for the future of the Republican party if democratic socialist Bernie Sanders were the Democratic nominee? Who exactly could Democrats have nominated that wouldn't lead Rubio to endorse Trump as the Republican nominee?

Rubio's attitude is markedly different from what it was on the eve of his departure from the Republican race, In March, Rubio called Trump's rise and the violence associated with his political gatherings "frightening" and "disturbing."

Even back then, Rubio insisted he would back the Republican nominee no matter who it was. "But it's getting harder every day," Rubio added.

Since then, Trump has renewed his calls to seal the U.S. borders, slung conspiracy theories after refusing to admit a reporter was roughed up at his event, and called on women who receive illegal abortions to face "some form or punishment," a position rejected by most pro-lifers.

Trump remains as toxic, incoherent, and authoritarian today as he did the day Rubio made extemporaneous remarks that landed him on the liberal feel-good click-bait site Upworthy.

Democrats aren't much better. Even those Sanders supporters who are most adamant about Hillary Clinton making a poor president are likely to bend the knee, or at least hold their noses and vote, for her, come November. Because "the other guy" is worst. Candidates like Libertarian Gary Johnson, the former Republican governor of New Mexico, have an up-hill climb despite the record unfavorable numbers the leading major party candidates have.

Comments

[Los Doyers]

Trump is just running for the thrill of it.

[GILMORE?]

sometimes a video ruins a song and that came darn close for me. like everyone else, i heard it though a car commercial. I assumed it was an MGMT single. They seem like australia's version of the same. (e.g. eccentric electro-pop duo)

[Rhywun]

I dig that song. Reminds me of Daft Punk or some such. Now with more torso. I'm OK with that.

[Playa Manhattan.]

See them live sometime. You won't like them anymore.

[lap83]

I knew about that song before the car commercial because I don't even have a tv /wins hipster of the year award

[PapayaSF]

I love their song "Ice on the Dune," but none of the others have struck me the same way.

[Crusty Juggler]

Allow me to be the first person to invoke the ancient proverb, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

[RoyMo]

But what if you the enemy of your enemy is your enemy.

Sometimes my enemies are like my children I can't choose among them. Of course that's when I feel most like a Libertarian.

[Cytotoxic]

Doesn't matter. Trump is never, ever going to be president. Anyone who thinks otherwise or thought otherwise while not high on drugs is categorically retarded.

[Crusty Juggler]

What about those of us who get high on life?

[Los Doyers]

What about those of us who get high on jenkem?

[Crusty Juggler]

What about those of us who get high on sugar?

[John]

Only if it's brown sugar.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Does Le Perruche count?

http://www.laperruche.fr/?lng=en

[John]

Does it taste so good? If so, then yes.

[Los Doyers]

What about those of us that get high pumpkin spice lattes?

[John]

You are so desperate to believe. Listen,it's haunntimg you. It's coming.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A1wXEEQBHeQ

[commodious spittoon]

President Hillary Clinton is haunting me from the miserably near future.

[John]

By the end of the year she will be dead, President or in jail. I give all three an equal chance

Cytoxic gets a hardon at the thought of Hillary being President. It's worse than the porn Crusty watches. Its so me twisted shit.

[Crusty Juggler]

Personally, I'd give it one chance in three.

[Cytotoxic]

"By the end of the year she will be dead, President or in jail. I give all three an equal chance"

Your fantasies are cute.

Reality isn't: http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....-5491.html

[Dan Bongard]

What an interesting alternate universe -- one in which the Democrat-controlled Department of Justice is not only honest enough to indict the Democratic Party's candidate for President, but also fast enough to prosecute people an order of magnitude faster than they do in this universe. Oh, and alternate-universe Obama prefers to be followed by a Republican, too.

What's the rent like in that universe? I'm guessing higher than here, what with it being such a nicer place to live.

[John]

Yeah because Obama loves Hillary and thinks so much about the party rather than himself.

And it is not like it would not be in everyone's interest to knife her and put a better candidate in at the convention.

[Cytotoxic]

They won't need a better candidate against Trump or even Cruz in all likelihood.

[NYer]

"And it is not like it would not be in everyone's interest to knife her and put a better candidate in at the convention."

If the Dems pick a candidate at the convention that isn't Clinton or Sanders then they'll alienate a large portion of either candidates' voters and make it easier for the GOP to close the gap in the polls. Obama may not like Clinton, but its much easier to protect his legacy by keeping his Justice Department from indicting her and back her candidacy. It's as you said, he cares more about himself than his party. Why would he risk his legacy on picking a candidate that didn't even run in the primaries and possibly help the GOP win in November? I mean its possible, but I doubt it.

[John]

I don't know that anyone likes Hillary enough to care if she goes down. People like Sanders and will be alienated if they screw him. But Sanders isn't getting the nomination no matter what. I don't think many Democrats would be too heartbroken if they don't pick Hillary. No one likes the woman or feels any loyalty towards her.

[Bob K]

Older women who make up a large portion of the Democrats base would differ with your read. The only candidate IMHO not running that would be greeted by the entire parties base is E. Warren. The only ones who won't like her are the smaller but very strong liberal business interests specifically Wall Streeters who like (well at least fund) Hillary.

[Dan Bongard]

I'd look forward to laughing in your face a couple months from now, but that would require remembering you exist.

[C. Anacreon]

There will be tons of women reveling in Hillary's victory, who will place all their hopes and dreams on her, just like blacks did with Obama. Look for film clips after the election of women crying outside the victory parties (who weren't invited in with the super-wealthy donors inside the party, of course, but just being nearby is the greatest moment of their lives!)

And there will be interviews by tv vox pop reporters that night with women telling apocryphal stories of their youths, in which someone supposedly told them they 'couldn't do X' because 'women can't do that/only men can do that' -- but now that Hillary is president, women are truly equal!! "This is for you, Mr so-and-so who said I couldn't!"

[Robert]

C. Anacreon's remarks are all the funnier considering that the only reason a large # of people support Hillary is that they assume Bill would be calling the shots once she's elected. The # of voters who feel positively good about Hillary as a person is minuscule. The # who feel positively good about Bern as president is even smaller; they're just voting vs. Hillary.

[Cytotoxic]

John is all alt universe all the time. In this world, there is a bipartisan drive to open borders. He's a fruitcake, pure and simple.

[John]

Yeah. That must be what it is. It isn't that you are fucking lunatic and professional moron or anything. Nope. It must be everyone else.

Tells us more about all the things you learned from reading that old copy of the Cliff Notes for the Fountainhead.

[Cytotoxic]

"Yeah. That must be what it is. It isn't that you are fucking lunatic and professional moron or anything. Nope. It must be everyone else."

Again, the irony here is overwhelming. Almost palpable.

[Libertymike]

Hmm....

So, irony can simultaneously be overwhelming and almost palpable?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

If you two guys are gonna keep insulting each other, at least make it entertaining for the rest of us. This is some extra strength weak sauce.

[Hooha]

'Extra strength' Weak Sauce... is that just normal Sauce, then, or... or... /bewilderment

[Careless]

By the end of the year she will be dead, President or in jail.

Uhh... what's her route to becoming president by the end of the year? Someone assassinates Obama, Biden picks her as VP, and then is also assassinated?

[BYODB]

Well given that every last poll I've seen indicates that Trump will lose big to Hillary it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that if he gets the nomination Hillary wins. That isn't people projecting, it's based on data. While that data could obviously be wrong, voter turnout and favorability ratings seems to agree that Hillary wins big against Trump and squeaks out a win vs. Cruz.

This means you could at least try to beat Hillary with Cruz, and probably fail, or hand Hillary a definite win. That's if you put any stock in polls, which considering John's a Trump supporter it seems reasonable to conclude that facts and data do not enter the equasion for him.

In a Trump supporters mind, all this flak towards Trump is because of the establishment; not because Trump is disgusting to virtually everyone. You'll find that during the General Election that Trump will probably garner less support than Mittens. By a lot.

[BYODB]

Oh, and as a subpoint, I don't honestly give a shit anymore. I've given up and will throw my vote away on GayJay. I want to be able to say I voted my conscience (as closely as I could) when I get thrown against the wall.

Maybe if Gary gets 10 percent of the popular it will renew at least some faith that we're not all fucked.

[Cytotoxic]

President Clinton is coming. She is inevitable at this point, and that is the least of the problems Trump brings. He and his retarded fans are a godsend for the left. He vindicates SJWs. He chases millenials into the arms of the Democrats at the ballot box and progressive hipsterism at the cultural level. The reason you can't see this is because you're an imbecile.

[John]

man you really are ready Hillary.

[Winston]

He chases millenials into the arms of the Democrats at the ballot box and progressive hipsterism at the cultural level.

So how about that libertarian moment...

[Cytotoxic]

Was happening, still kind of happening at the state level and Brazil, get a life.

[Los Doyers]

A fine white whine with my dover sole tonight.

[WhatAboutBob]

Do you actually have any coherent arguments against Trump or do you just have these hissy fits when somebody mentions his name?

[John]

He doesn't have any coherent thoughts about anything. He is nuts, but makes up for it by being angry and profoundly stupid.

[Cytotoxic]

Again with the projection...the irony.

[Ted S.]

Which is worse: John vs. Cytotoxic, or John vs. MNG?

[John]

This is much worse. MNG was annoying and dishonest but he was at least coherent. This is just a trainwreck. This is like watching someone get into an argument with crazy guy at the laundromat.

This is a new low. Even I can't defend or justify this.

[lap83]

Even worse a crazy 12 year old at the laundromat.

[Cytotoxic]

I do. I write them down here. Feel free to read and comprehend them. Others seem to.

[Crusty Juggler]

What about those of us with an addiction to amateur British pornography?

[commodious spittoon]

They see to have an affinity for impromptu orgies.

[Cytotoxic]

Not only does that not excuse anything, nothing excuses that. The appearance of those women + those accents = bonerdeath.exe

[Crusty Juggler]

Check out Captain Weakpipe over here.

[Cytotoxic]

Having standards is not 'weak'.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

That's fine, as long as it doesn't include any face sitting.

[Los Doyers]

What about those of us who drive with one hand on the wheel, like God intended?

[Crusty Juggler]

What about those of us who get high on the sweet scent of feminine desperation?

[John]

The sweet aroma of low self esteem

[Chipper Morning Wood]

John, that would be like doing a dutch oven on yourself.

[Quincy.]

What about people who waterboard cats?

[DenverJ]

Getting pussies wet? It's your civic duty.

[commodious spittoon]

Recently had an experience with a partner who was, shall we say, copious in expressing her gratitude, which got me looking into just what exactly is, er, conveyed during those torrents of affection. And surprisingly enough, there doesn't seem to be much consensus in exactly what comprises that loving release.

[DenverJ]

Some things are best left unknown, my friend.

[commodious spittoon]

Well, it did get me thinking. You'd be pretty pissed if a stranger spit in your mouth, but swapping saliva with a girl is just fine. And some people are into butt stuff and are up for anything. So somewhere in between there's room for a connoisseur to carve out an exception to his normal predilections and allow for this one trespass on normal rules of hygiene.

[DenverJ]

Yeah, well, it's kinda built in to our DNA. And kissing a girl is not very similar to having a stranger spit in your mouth, although I know what you're saying.

[Playa Manhattan.]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[commodious spittoon]

GO WAY, 'BATIN. You'd think a guy could euphemize in private these days...

[Playa Manhattan.]

I'm reading between the lines here, but you went ass to mouth?

[commodious spittoon]

I met a very gushy girl. Enough that she soaked the foam pad on my mattress. It's apparently an interesting subject of research, if your interest is in evaluating just how much is urine and how much is some unidentified lubricant or other discharge. At least from my cursory research, it doesn't seem like much more than urine, although it doesn't smell or taste or feel like urine.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Your first squirter, eh? It happens, and you know she's not faking.

[commodious spittoon]

But also, again, there are thresholds of sexual depravity, and somewhere between swapping saliva and swapping the taste of your lover's anus, much less all of the kinky shit (including the anuses of other lovers) you want to include, there lays a pastoral playground of relatively mundane intimacy in which the fields flow with something that lovers might not mind sharing.

[PapayaSF]

I think he's talking about female ejaculation, and yes, there is disagreement about exactly what it is. I've experienced it with two different women, and in neither case did it seem like urine to me.

[commodious spittoon]

It's just bizarre that it's not been figured out yet. Read the synopsis of studies in that article: how does one fill a bladder after masturbation which she had emptied immediately before? And the fact that there is no odor or color or taste that seems pissy.

[Warty]

Jesus Christ. Put down a pad, stop overthinking this, and go bang that girl senseless.

[Playa Manhattan.]

America! Fuck Yeah!

[jesse.in.mb]

IKEA G?K?RT

Less than $20 and fits over the mattress under the sheets. You won't notice it's there.

If you're looking for something to protect the top layers of stuff too you can go a bit more pricey and get a Fascinator Throw, which is a waterproof throw blanket. I think someone else on the board owns one, so you might get a real-use review of it, but that'll be more than $100.

[Los Doyers]

God bless them

[Cytotoxic]

This.

[John]

Wow retards really torture cats. I guess some negative stereotypes really are true

[Cytotoxic]

To answer all the questions: ONLY real drugs and jenkem excuse actually thinking, for a nanosecond, that nominee Trump can accomplish anything but handing over the WH to Hillary and dominance to the Dems. Not even those drugs excuse being retarded enough to support Trump.

[commodious spittoon]

Wait, is there any argument that Trump isn't in the bag for Hillary? He's the spoiler the Dems needed to clinch a victory. He's their greatest asset.

[Cytotoxic]

Tell that to the committed, A-grade morons who think otherwise around these parts. I'm not surprised imbeciles like John or PapayaSF or the other yokels do but some people I thought were actually intelligent seem to believe he has a greater chance of being president than I do.

[Crusty Juggler]

Apparently you have not watched any amateur British pornography.

[Cytotoxic]

See above. Stop watching that shit!

[Playa Manhattan.]

Somebody got a fresh supply of catnip!

[Los Doyers]

They don't call him Big Ben for no reason.

[buybuydandavis]

The 80s called:

Doesn't matter. Trump Reagan is never, ever going to be president. Anyone who thinks otherwise or thought otherwise while not high on drugs is categorically retarded.

[Cytotoxic]

HUR DUR MUH CANDIDATE IS RAYGUN BECUZ I SAYZ SO

[John]

Curl is 13, lives in Canada and once wrote.a book report on Atlas Shrugged for his special Ed class. He is endless comic relief.

[Cytotoxic]

Tell us how the Scopes Trial was all smoke and mirrors Mr Kluge.

[John]

If you could read, no one would have to tell you that. IT was a put up job. Just like Rosa Parks was an activist who mean to get herself arrested. Jesus Christ you are stupid. You are just hopeless. You seem to take pride in being an idiot.

[Cytotoxic]

That's not the same as 'smoke and mirrors' but standards never matter to you anyway so you don't even notice when the goalposts move. Are you sure you don't want to tell us lies about what East Anglia university did with its climate data?

"Jesus Christ you are stupid. You are just hopeless. You seem to take pride in being an idiot."

The irony...the projection...the lack of awareness.

[John]

Now you can't even follow the topic of the conversation. You should talk to shreek. They have meds for that now. He occasionally takes them.

You seem to have been really affected by this Trump thing. You have gone from being kind of stupid and sad to completely incoherent. Things aren't going well are they?

[Cytotoxic]

The topic of conversation was, for a moment, how you can't be relied upon for accuracy or completeness in regards to...anything. A point you have never ever rebutted.

"You seem to have been really affected by this Trump thing. You have gone from being kind of stupid and sad to completely incoherent. "

Again, more projection. What is it about me that completely drives you up the wall? Did you get cytopwned into madness? Epi went through a similar phase when I called him out for being a faux-kewl twat, but he got over it.

[John]

And this has what to do with the Scopes Monkey trial? I don't even know what to say to you anymore. It was all good fun to laugh at you but at some point you start to feel kind of guilty. You just seem to get worse and worse. Wow.

[Playa Manhattan.]

I have no dog in this fight because you're both retarded. I take no pleasure in a cripple fight.

But a lame ass doxxing attempt? C'mon.

Post your real name, Cyto. Be the hero that you've always wanted to be.

[Calidissident]

Is John actually the guy who recently wrote a pro-Trump article for a certain newspaper? Certain information found via Google seem to indicate that.

[Playa Manhattan.]

He hasn't announced it here, so it's off limits.

I can find a lot of shit on google. But I'm really good at using google.

[bacon-magic]

I like your morals Playa. You can do illicit drugs/hookers with me anytime.

[Calidissident]

Trump is not Reagan. Reagan was already gaining on Carter at this point in 1980 (and Carter's high numbers early in the year were largely the result of the hostage crisis), Trump is falling further behind Clinton. Absent a major gamechanger that hurts Clinton, his chances of winning the White House are slim at best.

[Dan Bongard]

This is the part where someone bursts in with a fantasy about Obama having Clinton prosecuted for her email server crap, clearing the way for Saint Donald the Trump to ascend the throne.

[pronomian]

Yes, and a year ago trump will never be the republican nominee.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

"Candidates like Libertarian Gary Johnson, the former Republican governor of New Mexico, have an up-hill climb despite the record unfavorable numbers the leading major party candidates have."

So.

No libertarian moment?

[esteve7]

I want a contested convention and draft Mike Rowe for president. My dream scenario that will never happen

[John]

Every women I know has a crush on Mike Rowe. He would win in a 50 state landslide.

[DenverJ]

Hell, I'm the straightest guy you'll ever meet, and I have a little bit of a crush on Mike Rowe.

[John]

Yeah. It's the most non gay crush you can have

[Quincy.]

Everybody is gay for opera singers.

[commodious spittoon]

He's an outsider, a reality show star, likable, and wants to make America great again... by God, draft Mike Rowe!

[commodious spittoon]

(If Mike Rowe is as intelligent and sensible as he seems, he'd burn however many bridges it takes to distance himself from any draft effort.)

[John]

You really have to be a special kind of nut to want the job. No normal person would want it.

[DenverJ]

Candidates like Libertarian Gary Johnson, the former Republican governor of New Mexico, have an up-hill climb despite the record unfavorable numbers the leading major party candidates have.

"An uphill climb"? "An uphill climb"? Are you freaking kidding me? "An uphill climb", this guy says.

[commodious spittoon]

Actual footage of Gary Johnson's bid for president. Fair warning, he sounds pretty shrill.

[Cytotoxic]

If only GJ were that compelling and competent instead of just being self-absorbed and charisma-free.

[Libertymike]

Its called litotes.

[DenverJ]

Look at dis guy, what wit da book lernin' and all.

[Brochettaward]

Rubio isn't endorsing shit. He's throwing a bone to Trump supporters - many of whom are in his state - knowing full well that they aren't going to let Trump get the nomination in the first place. There's no point in Rubio mocking Trump at this stage. Just hurts him down the road.

[Cytotoxic]

Let's hope you're right.

[BYODB]

Trump isn't actually lying when he says there's a mathematical probability that he could still outright win. He's also not lying when he says he's the last candidate that can actually say that.

I'm not saying that's a good thing, that's just how it is as of today.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Trump somehow wins, the GOP won't be able to put up an actual Republican for eight years. Hillary wins and you have a chance in four.

[John]

That is true. But it also assumes putting up an actual Republican is a good thing.

[pronomian]

When was the last time a republican president was a good thing? Or a republican congressman for that matter?

[DenverJ]

I think the days of one-term presidents is over. Both Bush and Obama were unpopular and still won reelection. Being the incumbent gives the POTUS a huge advantage.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Why on Earth would you want an "actual Republican" to become president?

[DenverJ]

BUTTPLUG! Yeah, now all the fun people are here! John and Cytoxic is a pretty good start, now PB is here, too. Ima go 420 so I can enjoy this.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Sweetwater 420?

I'm good with that.

[Playa Manhattan.]

He's the icing on the FAG cake.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Buttplug is kinda lovable.

[Peter Verkooijen]

Put another way, if tired old Hillary Clinton wins - and tired old Trump loses - there is a chance to regroup as a real Liberty coalition of libertarians, independents, Republicans, conservatives, pro-free enterprise Democrats, etc. Another chance to return to individual liberty and limited government in our lifetimes.

If Trump would win the presidency, he would be succeeded by an old-fashioned socialist, some millennial version of Bernie Sanders. America would be stuck in the same political dynamic as Latin America and Europe; socialist versus nationalists/populists.

[buybuydandavis]

Marco Rubio Says He'll Endorse Donald Trump Please Let Me Be Your VP! I'll do Anything You Want! Please!

[Cytotoxic]

Which would be hilariously inept on Rubio's part, because Trump will never be prez.

[Quincy.]

Trump/Rubio 2016!

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[WhatAboutBob]

Trump remains as toxic, incoherent, and authoritarian today as he did the day Rubio made extemporaneous remarks that landed him on the liberal feel-good click-bait site Upworthy.

Who exactly is Trump toxic to? The left? The establishment? Ed likes to resort to name calling instead of building an argument.

[Cytotoxic]

Normal fucking people, hence his radioactive poll numbers.

[John]

You mean he won't win the mildly retarded Canadian adolescent block?

[Cytotoxic]

Or indendents. Or you know any important demographic.

[John]

I trust your judgement on the mildly retarded Canadian adolescent front. As for the rest, not so much.

[Cytotoxic]

It's not my judgement. It's called 'reality', a topic a mentally-ill trog like yourself would naturally have trouble with. Again: I am a lot smarter than you Mr Kluge, even with your mental illness aside.

[WhatAboutBob]

You mean normal people who have been voting decade after decade to increase the welfare state and warfare state together? Fuck them, they've been slowly dragging this country down to just another failed state.

[Cytotoxic]

Doesn't matter besides the point. Also, that's a hilariously inept thing to say considering that Trump loves welfarism and at one point called for taking oil from Syria.

[Libertymike]

You know what's brilliant?

A soi disant libertarian saying that voting for pols who support the warfare / welfare state "doesn't matter besides the point."

[kbolino]

soi-disant = self-proclaimed

Cytotoxic has proclaimed himself an Objectivist but not, as far as I can tell, a libertarian.

[Libertymike]

Point taken.

[Ken Shultz]

You should have been here when (was it Taylor?) was making the Trump campaign out to be a bunch of Brownshirts.

How embarrassing was that?

[Cytotoxic]

Not at all since that's basically what they are. Brownshirts without literacy, articulation, or normal social adjustment.

[Suthenboy]

"Brownshirts without literacy, articulation, or normal social adjustment."

I can think of one demographic that fits that description much better.

[Cytotoxic]

I saw a video of the Trumptards and their behavior on YouTube a week ago. These people are honestly mentally ill. Maybe they were exposed to high levels of lead from living in their shit-hole rust-belt dumps. Or lots of alcohol in the womb.

[Suthenboy]

I see what you mean. You must have seen this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dw_EWhvhcQ

[Ken Shultz]

"without literacy, articulation, or normal social adjustment"

That wasn't my problem with the Brownshirts. And I hope you had more problems with them than that.

You sound like you just hate rednecks.

[Suthenboy]

Republican derangement syndrome is more common than you might think.

Jesus Christ comes down from heaven and runs on the R ticket. Satan rises from hell and runs on the D ticket. I know a large number of people who would vote Satan.

Imagine the spittle flecked argle bargle we would get from the likes of PB and his ilk explaining how voting Satan is the only way to go.

[RoninX]

People who like the Constitution? People who don't like torture? People who think 45% tariffs on imports are not a great idea?

[Ken Shultz]

America is a slow motion train wreck.

No way to slow down.
In the shuffling madness.

You know the lyrics.

I remember when the wall came down.
I remember when I first got high speed internet.
I remember when Netscape went public.
I remember when I started my first business.

The future used to be so bright.

Now the only silver lining that sells is "burn it down".

Thank God for women, surfing, and motorcycles. . . . and the Capitals. Can't forget the Capitals.

[DenverJ]

Reminds me, haven't seen AC in a while. Have I just not seen the right threads, or is he AWOL?

[Ken Shultz]

We were wondering about him last night.

I speculated that the present position of Jupiter is interfering with his ability to connect to our internet from Planet X.

[Ken Shultz]

And why does my post remind you of him?

What I wrote there is perfectly coherent, I'll have you know!

[DenverJ]

'Cause, to us yokels, anything not prose is poetry.

[Suthenboy]

AC's posts are coherent...after a fashion. He is an artist. AC is to verbal articulation what Dali and Picasso are to painting.

[Quincy.]

I miss Cy.

[Libertymike]

He is an artiste!

[Quincy.]

Spell it right. The man is in a true artist. He's not opening up a boutique on the town square, he's opening up whole new ranges of human experience. He has colonized Mars in twelve different dimensions. He's not selling knickknacks to tourists ambling by. He's knocking skulls to escape velocity. Get it right.

[Libertymike]

I stand corrected!

The man is no mere Edward Morra; to the contrary, he is beyond Lucy.

[The Hyperbole]

Don't forget the seminal fluid... the gallons and gallons of seminal fluid.

[bacon-magic]

LD 50?

[commodious spittoon]

Wasn't sure whether you're going for a Jethro Tull thing or a Pink Floyd thing here.

[Ken Shultz]

No way to slow down.
In the shuffling madness.

Definitely Jethro Tull. Whole song is about a slow motion train wreck.

And that's America right now. Slow motion train wreck.

We can all see what's going to happen. Can't seem to do anything to stop it.

ObamaCare is even collapsing in front of our faces, and everybody's just standing around watching it happen. Look, a train wreck!

They're raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour in California!

LOL

Superheroes are a fantasy. Nobody's gonna save us from ourselves.

Certainly not Trump or Hillary.

I think people say "burn it down" because it makes 'em feel better about not having any control. It's a coping mechanism. It's like sour grapes. What else are we going to say, "Who is John Galt"?

That would be plagiarism.

[commodious spittoon]

If anyone knows plagiarism, it's the heirs of Ayn Rand.

[DenverJ]

"That would be plagiarism."
I larfed

[Jerryskids]

I take some comfort in knowing the ten largest advertising budgets total some $30b - that's $30b spent trying to influence your really important decisions like what movies you see or what car you drive or what cola you drink or what deodorant you wear (take that, Bernie, you evil bastard) instead of the paltry sum spent on some meaningless crap like who gets to sit in the Oval Office for 4 years and pretend they're captaining the ship of state. Money talks and bullshit walks, right? When the top candidates start spending the kinds of money Procter and Gamble spends ($4.6b) trying to get my vote I'll start believing my vote matters.

[Suthenboy]

OT: Trolling Eddie! Trolling Eddie!

My wife is watching a movie titled 'Legion' about the birth of some sort of holy or unholy child being born with angels and demons battling over the child. A guest in the house asked me what I thought of the movie (they know I am an atheist).

" I think it is a bit odd how the divine plans of an all powerful being always seem to play out in exactly the same way as the plans of savages. It is almost like violent people fighting to control everyone else dress their schemes up in magic to get others to go along with them."

That was a real conversation stopper. Twenty seconds of confused silence and then he turned back to the TV.

[GILMORE?]

lol, that's pretty good.

[John]

Sounds like a shitty movie.

[Libertymike]

What would you have said if your wife and your guest had been watching Its a Wonderful Life?

[Suthenboy]

That we are all hammers marveling that the universe is made up entirely of nails.

[Libertymike]

George Bailey with a hammer - nice! Would that Wells Fargo and Citi be nails.

[Heroic Mulatto]

That's a new flavor of Geo-libertarianism.

[Libertymike]

A Weltanschuung that would inevitably lead Mr. Bailey to becoming Mr. Potter.

[pronomian]

You stumped those who were watching a movie about beings who were created and directed by people like you (atheist) which comes from someone's imagination. It's like me building a straw man then being proud that I was able to tear it down.

[Winston]

Candidates like Libertarian Gary Johnson, the former Republican governor of New Mexico, have an up-hill climb despite the record unfavorable numbers the leading major party candidates have.

Similar to Maurice Wilson up-hill climb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....on_Everest

[Winston]

Bickering about whether or not shitheads like Trump or Hillary will win and how the Republicans need to find someone "electable" is the sort of thing that makes so optimistic...

[Quincy.]

I want to say two word to you. Just two words.
Yes, sir.
Are you listening?
Yes, I am.
Asteroid mining.
Exactly how do you mean?
There's a great future in asteroid mining. Think about it. Will you think about it?

[SusanM]

Rubio's been schlonged into line.

[John]

He has got nowhere else to go. He isn't running for re-election. He failed as the establishment guy. Trump will lose interest in politics at some point. But he still has this ready made constituency. Rubio could be the acceptable spokesman for that. That is a long shot but it beats begging for a job on KStreet.

[SIV]

Little Marco would make a great Ambassador to Cuba.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Lil' Taco.

Fake Cuban, iow.

[pronomian]

Isn't he from miami? It's like cuba.

[sjl2112]

Rubio will be the assistant starter at Trump Doral after Hillary wins. Trump and Rubio are the best argument ever made for gender-neutral bathrooms.

[John]

That is probably better than what he is facing now. And I have no clue what any of this has to do with gender neutral bathrooms.

[SIV]

Gotta beat being a greeter at one of Sheldon Adelson's casinos.

[Suthenboy]

Every election I think we have the worst slate of candidates ever, then I stop myself and think 'Nah, it just seems that way because I forgot how bad the shitshow was last time'.

I am not stopping myself this time. I didn't think it could get any worse than Obumbles. I was wrong. I wouldn't let any of these people be in charge of policing the dogshit in my back yard.

[John]

It can always get worse. But look at the bright side, the country is being run by delusional morons right now. So its not like it is something we haven't seen.

At this point we would be better off picking our representatives by lottery.

[Palin's Buttplug]

I've been telling you how wrong you've been for years.

[Suthenboy]

The problem is that you were saying that about the wrong things.

[Sevo]

"The problem is that you were saying that about the wrong things."

That's be turd; always right about the wrong things. And at the wrong time; how'd that bet go again, turd?

[SIV]

Candidates like Libertarian Gary Johnson, the former Republican governor of New Mexico, have an up-hill climb despite the record unfavorable numbers the leading major party candidates have.

I know Johnson's "you'll bake that cake at gunpoint" authoritarian policies appeal to the statist jackboot-lickers at Reason but GayJay is NOT going to be the LP nominee.

John McAfee 2016

[John]

Here is the thing with McAfee or Fiorina for that matter. The dumbest CEO of a major corporation is smarter and more competent than the best politician. Politicians as a class are morons. If they weren't, they wouldn't have gotten into politics. Washington isn't Hollywood for ugly people; its the Fortune 500 for stupid people.

[Palin's Buttplug]

I'm actually reveling in this new-found realization that the GOP is composed of Bible-Beaters, bigots, and anti-trade zealots like I have said for 10 years now.

[Sevo]

Turd, you've said everything for 10 years, most all of them wrong, including this.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Nope. That is actually the true composition of your beloved GOP.

[Sevo]

"That is actually the true composition of your beloved GOP."

Turd, you've said everything for 10 years, most all of them wrong, including this.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Donald Trump is a bible beater. Got it.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Well of course Trump isn't a Bible Beater.

But they love him for hating the swarthy Muslim hordes.

[Sevo]

Palin's Buttplug|4.20.16 @ 10:12PM|#
"Well of course Trump isn't a Bible Beater."

Look! Damn blind squirrels find an acorn now and then!

[Rhywun]

None of those characteristics are to be found in Democrats hurr durr.

[pronomian]

Corporate's version of free trade is working out so well for us. I am amazed that so many libertarians don't have a problem with crony capitalist free trade and open borders in a welfare state.

[kbolino]

"Crony capitalist free trade" is an oxymoron.

I am "amazed" that anyone could look at our system and decide that it's better to restrict trade and immigration than welfare and regulations.

[widget]

I want to know who George F. Will will vote for in a Trump vs. Clinton election.

[John]

George is a Hillary man if there ever was one.

[pronomian]

He is a cankle man.

[widget]

A full cuck? We'll see.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I always wondered what Civilization 4 would be like with more Mormons.

Now I know.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Not horrible I must say.

I worked with a pair of Mormon sisters at the bank. Polite and patient beyond description. Poor girls had to put up with yours truly.

[Libertymike]

I bet HM can understand what they are singing.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I can't, except for a few words. Our very own Derptologist could, however.

[Derpetologist]

They repeat yetu to make the song flow- A native Swahili speaker would not do that. The guy garbles a few words.

Baba yetu, yetu uliye
Mbinguni yetu, yetu amina!
Baba yetu yetu uliye
M jina lako e litukuzwe.

Our our father who is in
Heaven our our amen
Our our father
Your name be exalted/made holy

Utupe leo chakula chetu
Tunachohitaji, utusamehe
Makosa yetu, hey!

Give us today our food
which we need, forgive us
our mistakes, hey!

Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe
Waliotukosea usitutie
Katika majaribu, lakini
Utuokoe, na yule, muovu e milele!

As we ourselves forgive
those who make mistakes on us, do not drop us
into problems/trouble but
Save us from that evil oh forever

Ufalme wako ufike utakalo
Lifanyike duniani kama mbinguni.
(Amina)

Your kingdom may it arrive [and] what you want
may it be done on earth as in heaven
Amen

[Heroic Mulatto]

Awesome! Thank you.

[Derpetologist]

If you want to say that in Swahili, you'd say Kabambe! Asante.

The first word is usually translated as "fantastic". It's the closest word I could think of.

I try to practice Swahili whenever I can. I worked so hard to learn that language.

[Quincy.]

I'd play that civilization.

[Sidd Finch v2.01]

a reporter was roughed up at his event

I can barely even hate-read this site anymore.

[John]

That is a flat out lie. It is pathetic. And Trump never called on women to be punished for abortions. He said if it was illegal they would be, which is just a statement of fact. How can you ban something without punishing the people who do it?

[Palin's Buttplug]

Trump fucked up. He told the press what you wingnuts actually believe!

[John]

Actually, he gave a common sense answer. The anti abortion people only went nuts because they are morons who live in this fantasy world where you could somehow ban abortion but not punish women for getting one. What the hell do these clowns think an abortion ban would look like?

[Palin's Buttplug]

So what should the prison term be for a woman who terminates her pregnancy?

[John]

Don't ask me. I have always understood how criminal law works and thus knew that you could never have an abortion ban that worked.

[Palin's Buttplug]

I agree. Are you the same 'John' I know from the last six years?

[John]

Yes I am. And go back and look. I have always said that abortion was wrong and that life begins at conception. But I have never said it should be illegal. It is one of those horrible things that lies beyond law to fix.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Yes I am.

Well, I am astounded that John and I agree on the most contentious item in politics. I even agree that life "begins at conception".

[John]

The world has gone insane shreek. What can I say. Its cats and dogs living together.

[Suthenboy]

Following logic where it leads, being intellectually honest, acknowledging objective truth...those are the opposite of the cognitive dissonance required for adopting party talking points. It is the same John, you just can't understand how he arrives at his positions.

[Sidd Finch v2.01]

I loved those arguments so much. "Trump proved he's not really pro-life because he took our assumption to its logical conclusion rather than parrot our focus grouped PR talking points."

[John]

Same thing with deporting people. "We want to secure the border but how dare you say you will deport anyone!!"

[pronomian]

No woman that I know of has awoken strapped to a table and had a forced abortion. For whatever reason they made the conscious choice. I not arguing the validity of the choice, and I know it is a difficult one, but the argument applies. If abortion is illegal then the woman is doing something that is illegal, she is not guiltless. I expect to get slammed from those who will be all emotional, so be it.

[Calidissident]

Consistent or not, the law generally did not prosecute women who got abortions before Roe v. Wade.

[Winston]

toxic, incoherent, and authoritarian

Enough about Bernie...

[Winston]

Will "Vote for the Crook, it's important!" Make a comeback? Or is too honest for Clintonites?

[Palin's Buttplug]

Wow! The decision by United Health Care to leave the ACA is actually capitalism weeding out a weak competitor - instead of the DEATH SPIRAL! wingnuts have long predicted!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/d.....ealth-exit

DEATH SPIRAL!!!!

WHEEEEEE~!!!!!!

Not this decade.

[Sevo]

Yeah, turd, O-care has yet to demolish the economy in general, since even Obo isn't willing to enforce it.
And dipsthits like you see that as *VICTORY!*
We know full well you're not the top of the class, just keep proving it.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Good. Invest in them. Go ahead, do it.

I dropped every single healthcare (biotech excluded) stock last week. It's already saved me in the mid 5 figures.

Oh, and re: our bet

I'm into CLVLY to the tune of slightly over half a million. Track my investment. Keep me honest. Keep me posted.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Look, good for you on CLVLY as it is an obscure biotech that is thinly traded and has no coverage among US firms.

You know someone or something. Even if you are benefiting from insider info I don't give a fuck. There is no way you found CLVLY on your own. Alone.

Whatever. You found it.

[DK]

Let the bitterness flow through you, Shrike. Just like a Welsh bitter. Or, should I say a bitter Welsher?

[Playa Manhattan.]

Are you even capable of doing your own research?

Or are you one of those pretenders that sits in front of 6 monitors claiming to understand technical indicators?

I've tracked this company for 10 years, and now is the time.

This isn't gambling, son. It's somebody who actually knows what the fuck they're doing.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Quit lying. No one tracks this company and you are no bio research PHD.

[Playa Manhattan.]

You fail to grasp yet again.

You're a small fish. You don't need to understand how or why the whales conduct their business.

Stick around and maybe you'll get some sloppy seconds or thirds.

[commodious spittoon]

Can I, like, give you some cash to earn me some sloppy seconds?

[Playa Manhattan.]

I gave you the ticker above.

[Sevo]

"Stick around and maybe you'll get some sloppy seconds or thirds."

Cold, Playa, but turd deserves it.
He'll always be a cycle or two behind the curve; it's not real bright.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Are you the only buyer?

I mean it is THAT thinly traded.

Only 18k shares today.

[Playa Manhattan.]

14k of those were me.

[Palin's Buttplug]

I believe you. I would not have four months ago.

Whatever you know - more power to you.

[Suthenboy]

I wonder if Obumbles claiming his ME policy isnt an unmitigated disaster but a great victory, Hillary claiming Libya was smart power at its best, and now your claiming that Obumblecare is a free market plan is a calculated deception or if y'all really believe your own bullshit.

I think I know the answer.

[pronomian]

Yes, it is the great sign of capitalism to have the weak weeded out so there will only be a single company calling the shots. Capitalism never works when there is competition.

[Palin's Buttplug]

You're an idiot. There are hundreds of competitors in the health insurance market.

[Sevo]

Palin's Buttplug|4.20.16 @ 11:07PM|#
"You're an idiot. There are hundreds of competitors in the health insurance market."

You're an ignoramus. The competition is strictly government-controlled, and dipshits like you thing that's a 'free market'.
That's because you're an ignoramus.

[kbolino]

There are hundreds of competitors in the health insurance market.

And most of them are small fries compared to a small handful, and that small handful is going to consolidate and/or require bailouts from the feds.

[DenverJ]

OT: Today is Carmen Electra's 44th birthday. You know who else had a birthday on 4/20?

[SusanM]

George Takei!

[Libertarian]

Every single person born today?

[Libertymike]

Godwin's godfather?

[Winston]

Forget about Cosmo and Yokel libertarians are split between the Fabianists and the Leninists. The Fabianists hope that by ridiculing the rednecks and socons with the elites at their cocktail parties and waving around Cato Institute reports and proclaiming the Libertarian Moment is upon us then they can get them to adopt some libertarianish reforms.

the Leninists on the other hand want to ally with whatever groups oppose the Status Quo in the hope of finding a new Kerensky. I mean Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, SJWs and the Alt-Right all oppose the status quo right? Alliance should be easy.

The left-libertarians on the other hand are the guys that really want to claim the guy with a Che shirt that wants to destroy capitalism and nationalize all industries is really a libertarian since you know libertarians oppose Big Business.

[Palin's Buttplug]

No way you wrote that.

[Playa Manhattan.]

It's whining, so yes he did.

[Heroic Mulatto]

And let me guess, you're the guy living in a tub who spends his day wandering the streets with a lantern so that you may find an "honest man".

[John]

You know who else lived in a tub?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Marat

[Suthenboy]

I think that is the opposite of living in a tub. Also, you are forbidden to answer your own 'You know who else...' questions.

Follow the rules John.

[John]

He was murdered in his tub because he has some weird skin condition and literally spent most of his time in the tub. A woman showed up and told him she had the names of these "enemies of the people". They let her into seem him and she killed him. It was a great and good deed on her part.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I think that is the opposite of living in a tub

No, John is correct. Marat suffered from a skin disease that first started on his taint (seriously!), and as such, could only find relief when immersed in water. He spend the last 3 years of his life mostly in the bath.

[Suthenboy]

I was thinking this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

[DenverJ]

Three men?

[Winston]

Rub a dub dub....

[Robert]

Carol Low's children?

http://users.bestweb.net/~robgood/small1.jpg
http://users.bestweb.net/~robgood/small2.jpg

[Winston]

He declared himself a cosmopolitan and a citizen of the world rather than claiming allegiance to just one place.

So you're saying I'm a Cosmo?

[Heroic Mulatto]

You know, I had thought of making that joke, but then I thought better of it.

[Winston]

What would Swift and Ben Jonson say about this conversation?

[Winston]

Never liked Vitruvian rules very much.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I don't know. Always been more of a Sterne man, myself.

[Winston]

NEEDZ MOAR LENGTHY ASIDES!

I'm sure your autobiography will take 2 years to just get to your birth.

[Sidd Finch v2.01]

Congratulations on finding labels even dumber than cosmo and yokel.

[DenverJ]

+1 Cosmoyokeltarian

[commodious spittoon]

Cosmokramertarian?

[DenverJ]

Cosmotrumpitarian

[Juvenile Bluster]

Some folks'll never lose a toe
But then again some folks'll
Like Cletus, the cosmo yokel.

[DenverJ]

Nice

[Calidissident]

Left-libertarians have always been socialists and don't have much in common with right-libertarians besides the label.

[Winston]

So what do you think of Sheldon Richman?

[Winston]

Richman apparently does consider himself a socialist because of some obscure 19th century writings by Benjamin Tucker. He also seems to think "radical" still has some 19th-century English meaning.

[Winston]

Lest you think I am exaggerating:

http://reason.com/archives/201.....ge#comment

How can you tell an American progressive from an American radical? A progressive laments the condition of working people and proposes to further empower the government. A radical laments the condition of working people and proposes to empower individuals by diminishing the power of government.

[Winston]

http://reason.com/archives/201.....but-bernie

It is worth noting that in late 19th- and early 20th-century America, socialism was an umbrella term that was also used by radical free-market, or individualist, anarchists like Benjamin R. Tucker and Francis Dashwood Tandy, who called his 1896 book Voluntary Socialism. A socialist then was anyone who objected that workers were cheated out of their full reward and that prices of goods were fixed above the cost of production; in contrast to state socialists, free-market socialists attributed these evils to "capitalism," by which they meant the system of government privileges for well-connected owners of capital.

[Winston]

http://reason.com/archives/201.....-other-mur

http://reason.com/archives/201.....-socialism

[Sevo]

Winston|4.20.16 @ 11:32PM|#
"Lest you think I am exaggerating"

No, Winston, you're just an ignoramus who can't seem to get lost.
Can we help you?

[C. Anacreon]

Whenever I see the name Winston I think he's the protagonist of 1984, Winston Smith. The one who had a cage of rats strapped over his face.

If you picture him going through that, his posts make a lot more sense.

[Calidissident]

A guy who isn't as smart as he thinks he is?

[Winston]

I mean the man calls himself a left-libertarian. Do you think he isn't one or is in fact a socialist?

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[PapayaSF]

Bernie Sanders was asked to leave a hippie commune in 1971 for "sitting around and talking" about politics instead of working, according to a forthcoming book.

Oh, and remember the sad recent of victim of "Islamophobia" who was taken off an airliner simply because he spoke Arabic? Turns out the person who reported him to the flight crew also spoke Arabic, and said what he said was threatening.

[Richie]

"Turns out the person who reported him to the flight crew also spoke Arabic, and said what he said was threatening."

Gun control is so retarded. If people weren't so scared of death, I'd have some sympathy.

[Warty]

Sleazy.

http://religionnews.com/2016/0.....ok-claims/

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Many an email chain will that link travel in the coming years. Along with the Marine knocking the atheist professor on his ass.

Hell, I can even see a Christian-themed movie making a quick buck off it later.

[DenverJ]

Hell, it might be true. No atheists in foxholes and all that. A person diagnosed with terminal illness may very well reach out for hope wherever he can find it.

[Sevo]

DenverJ|4.20.16 @ 11:13PM|#
"No atheists in foxholes and all that."

Bullshit claim.
I was and knew plenty who were also.
Bleevers like to make such claims.

[Suthenboy]

Same here.

[commodious spittoon]

Denying God is as much an epistemological claim on reality as affirming Him. In either case it's beyond mortal ken to confirm. I would admire Hitchens for a deathbed conversion just as much as I'd admire him for affirming his atheism to the end, which is to say: not at all. I admire Hitchens for his works, not for his death. If he had embraced the idea of God, well, that's good: it eased his passing. If he remained devout in his atheism, well, I hope he found peace in it.

I say that as a life-long atheist. I don't know what dying will be like. It does seem lonely, and given the company atheists keep, probably irritating.

[Richie]

It's about dropping all logic, and accepting that there is a god that's looking after his/her investment(s).

[Warty]

If he had really found Jesus, he would have told someone.

And deathbed conversions aren't terribly impressive anyway. People will degrade themselves and say all sorts of crazy shit when they're in pain and terrified. (Something that plenty of religions have counted on for millennia.) Read about Von Neumann's death for a depressing example.

[Sevo]

commodious spittoon|4.20.16 @ 11:16PM|#
"Denying God is as much an epistemological claim on reality as affirming Him. In either case it's beyond mortal ken to confirming Him (sic)"

Bullshit.
You claim mythical beings? You show proof, or admit your are just the same as those who read burnt goat's knuckles for guidance. It is not my job to show your superstition is worthless; it is yours to prove it.
You are welcome to your fantasies, but don't bother trying to paint others with the stupidity you prefer.
IOWs, provide proof, or STFU

[commodious spittoon]

But they'd come back with "prove there isn't any such mythical beings," and you're left with a teapot in space, and really, what is the point?

[Sevo]

commodious spittoon|4.20.16 @ 11:43PM|#
"and really, what is the point?"

Are you really that stupid, or just trying some misdirection in the hopes you won't get called on it?
Look, stupido, you claim there is a being floating out there somewhere causing this, that and the other, but no one has ever found *evidence* of that being.
Now, that's EVIDENCE; not the voices in your head.
And yet, in the 21st century, you and other bleevers still claim that mythical being exists, in spite of there being not only no evidence, but no need for your fantasy to exist.
Do you still believe in Santa? Because there's no reason to presume you are any different than the average 5 year old.

[commodious spittoon]

Yeah... I've been an atheist for most of my life.

I'm asking you, not as a matter of what it takes to convince a fellow atheist, but what it takes to simply accept life on a planet full of theists, what it matters, what is really the point, in proving that there is no God or gods or what have you. There is no way to definitively prove that God does not exist. So you end up in the sort of limbo where you have to make some concessions. So: what, really, is the point in winning this argument?

[Heroic Mulatto]

So: what, really, is the point in winning this argument?

No more ISIS?

[Warty]

You can't not prove that ISIS doesn't not unexist.

[Sevo]

"You can't not prove that ISIS doesn't not unexist."
And I can't not agree to disagree with your point. I think.

[Sevo]

commodious spittoon|4.21.16 @ 12:03AM|#
"Yeah... I've been an atheist for most of my life."

Why do I find that hard to believe? Maybe because you seem to be confused.
I do not have to prove Santa doesn't exist, and if you find that to be a difficulty, you must find logic must be a bit of a mystery.
What is the point? Only that presuming a mythical being directs our lives is a pathetic abeyance of moral agency to that being, similar to those who would do the same WRT some government agency.
Given a libertarian view, I would not ever use force to deny such foolishness, but it remains a question as to whether those who fantasize thus are worth consideration. And that includes those who apologize for them; do you support belief in Santa?
I repeat: Do you support belief in Santa? If not, why is there any difference at all?

[Eternal Blue Sky]

Dude, I can PROVE, objectively, that Santa exists. Let's take a trip to Bari, Italy, and I can even show you his body!! But we'll need to break into a Basilica to do so. But it's okay, with my Viking ancestry, looting a Christian place of worship shouldn't be to hard.

[Shit Pyrate]

"There is no way to definitively prove that God does not exist."

commodious spittoon

You can't prove a negative.

That being said. Trying to prove, or disprove the existance of God, IMO makes no sense whatsoever.

[Sevo]

"That being said. Trying to prove, or disprove the existance of God, IMO makes no sense whatsoever."

So all those people who waste time on 'holy days' have no interest in whether they are praying to anything at all?
All those people who kill others (and their victims) because god told them they'd be rewarded for doing so are just fine if there is no such being?
Just not worth any sort of investigation, given that many people believe that mythical being directs their lives?

[Shit Pyrate]

"All those people who kill others (and their victims) because god told them they'd be rewarded for doing so are just fine if there is no such being?"

Sevo. Just as many people have been murdered by the State, and it's believers were promised Utopia.

[Sevo]

"Sevo. Just as many people have been murdered by the State, and it's believers were promised Utopia."

Fail.
Yes, the state has killed (X), which is no reason to excuse bleevers who do the same.

[Shit Pyrate]

Fail.

There is no excuse for Atheists who have done the same.

[Richie]

You two atheists are dumbing each other down to believe radicals think they're serving some greater, common good.

This is why no one likes you.

[__Warren__]

Why hello there, Lactaid Cow!

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

*looks over Cytotoxic-John spat*

My reaction.

[Butts Wagner]

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[Eternal Blue Sky]

Odd way to phrase his endorsement... does that mean Marco was feelin' the Bern??

[Eternal Blue Sky]

"slung conspiracy theories after refusing to admit a reporter was roughed up at his event"

Since law enforcement agrees, he was probably right to refuse to admit something that didn't happen. C'mon, there's plenty of valid reasons to criticize Trump that you don't need to resort to "He refused to admit that something that didn't happen happened."

[SoItGoes]

I've felt comfortable voting Libertarian in each of the past 3 presidential elections (the ones I've been old enough to vote in), but this year I will be joining the crowd holding one's nose to vote HRC come November because really truly Trump is that awful, and I will feel complicit if I don't do what I can to keep him out of office.

[MSimon]

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[MSimon]

BYODB 4.21.16 @ 12:48PM

Well given that every last poll I've seen indicates that Trump will lose big to Hillary it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that if he gets the nomination Hillary wins. That isn't people projecting, it's based on data. While that data could obviously be wrong, voter turnout and favorability ratings seems to agree that Hillary wins big against Trump and squeaks out a win vs. Cruz.

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[Peter Verkooijen]

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