Trump: I'll Force Mexico To Pay for Wall by Threatening To Cut Off Remittances
That money U.S. residents send to the old country? They didn't earn that, it turns out.

One of the great questions of the 2016 election—apart from, where's Adm. Stockdale when you need him?—has involved exactly how GOP frontrunner Donald Trump would get Mexico to pay for a "beautiful wall" on our southern border that would keep Mexicans out of the United States.
Now we know. In a two-page memo sent to Wash Post Bobs Woodward and Costa, Trump says he would threaten to disallow remittances to Mexico, start of trade war with Mexico, yank visas and/or raise the cost of same.
Writes the billionaire xenophobe:
We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it to Make America Great Again.
Trump says that if Mexico makes one easy payment of "$5-10 billion" to pay for the wall, our long-term NAFTA trading partner will continue to receive the $24 billion in remittances that get sent south of the border annually. How can we lose? (The Government Accountability Office estimates about $54 billion worth of remittances are sent out of the country every year, with more than half that total going to Mexico.)
There's a lot to take in regarding all of this, and none of it is good or sound or humane.
For starters, there's the simple fact that Trump (and his Republican and conservative amigos such as Ted Cruz and National Review, who criticize him for being as soft and fluffy on Mexicans as freshly made tortillas) is fighting a phantom menace by his own definitions. Forget for a moment that Mexican immigrants are NOT a drain on America's welfare state (forget, too, why conservatives are suddenly so concerned about protecting America's welfare state rather dismantling it). The number of illegal Mexicans in the United States peaked nearly a decade ago, in 2007. Build a wall now and you're only trapping folks here who are moving en masse back to a country that's offering them a better life than the sluggish U.S. economy.
Of course, start a trade war with Mexico and help kill its economy, increase joblessness, and…Mexicans will start heading north again….That sounds about right for government, doesn't it, whether it's directed by conservatives or liberals? Address a problem that is declining, implement policy that reverse that decline, and then declare your stupid, pointless intervention is exactly what was needed!
On a more fundamental level, though, Trump's proposal reveals a mind-set that is hardly limited to Republicans and alt-right conservatives terrified of the Reconquista. It's the same consciousness that all protectionists and statists instinctively hold. Everything Trump and the "fair trade" Republicans and Democrats propose is built on the assumption that the government has the right to unilaterally stop people from spending the money they earn and possess; that the feds have a right to tell you where you can and cannot go or even send checks.
As Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) told Reason during our trip to Cuba, "It is a very, very disturbing trend that we're seeing in the Republican Party against free trade. It's always been there but usually confined to a few isolated members, the Jeff Sessions of the world and others, but now it seems to be spreading. Obviously, it's being given voice by people like Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, who has come out saying that he would not favor TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership." Indeed, free trade is not simply about goods, but a larger worldview that promotes literal and figurative commerce and peaceful engagement with the world. "When goods don't cross borders, soldiers will," as Frederic Bastiat once put it. Or, same thing, soldiers will need to patrol not just the border but all other aspects of life.
In his memo, Trump openly relies on various "Know Your Customer" Patriot Act provisions governing banking and commerce that were abusive and invasive (and ineffectual) even in their original conception. In doing so, Trump violates not just long-held (if casually disregarded) beliefs about people owning the fruits of their labor, he threatens the greatest anti-poverty engine ever devised: freer and more open trade.
It's precisely the sort of increase in economic freedom, globalizaton, and trans-border activity he seeks to regulate and control that has the main driver in reducing extreme poverty. Trump and those who sign on to plans such as his—including less-obviously coercive trade agreements that seek to protect American manufacturers and markets—won't simply fail to "Make America Great Again." They betray a lack of confidence and stunted as the delicate snowflakes who populate our college campuses and call for safer and safer spaces from actual engagement with anything (even chalkings about Trump!) that disturbs their ultra-fragile egos.
Last September, Reason TV caught up with Trump at an anti-Iran Deal rally. Before he pushed us out of his way, he said this about libertarianism: "I like it, lotta good things." I'm starting to think he wasn't being fully honest. Watch below (20 seconds):
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Fucking private ownership- how does it work?
It's simply a tax - a "penaltax", if you will.
- JRob
Why not define receiving an international wire from within the US as income and have Western Union withhold a third of it?
Don't give them any ideas!
I think its more originating an international wire from within the US.
And a blanket seizure of 1/3 of any international wire will destroy this economy faster than just about anything I can think of that doesn't involve nuclear weapons.
Sometimes, I wonder how much Donald thinks these things through.
Oklahoma already does this.
They tax remittances like this, but you can get your tax back on your state income tax.
If you're legal, you pay zero.
If you're illegal, working under the table, they tax the remittances, and you don't get it back.
It seems pretty fair to me - you're evading your legal tax obligations, even if we ignore your visa status.
seems fair to you? heres what seems fair to me: spending my money however I see fit with minimal (read: *zero*) state intervention. the state has no right to "withhold" my $ because some crypto-racists have a problem with a free labor market. plus: if you think such a "withholding" will stay tax neutral in perpetuity, well, lets just say Im shocked you have the frontal cortex capacity & fine motor skills to operate a computer.
It doesn't. Try earning a living outside the US and not give Uncle Sam a cut.
Yeah, the fedgov grabs a cut of whatever they want, and however much they want already. This isn't really much different.
I lived in China for 2 years working as an ESL teacher. Never gave Uncle Sam a dime. Of course, getting paid in cash helps.
How about separation of powers - how does that work?
Trump throws around a bunch grandiose pronouncements about what he will do about all sorts of things as if the office of President was actually the CEO of USA, Inc. rather than just the head of one third of three co-equal branches of the federal government of the United States of America.
Trump cannot build a wall, confiscate remittances or do most of the other stuff he claims he would do without Congress passing laws to enable it and appropriating money to oversee it.
Bullshit, he'll have a phone and a pen just like Obama does.
And Donald's pen is 'UUUUGE!
Which, combined with his small hands, results in his terrible handwriting.
To be fair, every presidential candidate does to some extent, even those explicitly railing about the expansion of executive branch power.
Yes Trump is not unique in that regard.
Both Bernie and Hillary have been spouting off about various things that they would do as well.
Things that they would not have any unilateral authority to do.
You know either Hillary or Bernie are going to overturn Citizens United on their first day in office.
In fairness, there are so many fucking vaguely-written broad laws on the books that we actually have no way to know how Trump -- or any president for that matter -- can interpret them to do whatever the fuck he wants.
By the time he signs the executive order interpreting some US Code provisions to do what he wants and startes money from remittance companies, the damage will already be done.
*starts seizing money from...
I've got to do it again. That picture of Trump triggered me.
You can't make this stuff up. If this were a movie it would be panned as too ridiculous to believe.
If this were a movie, Trump would be the supervillain for sure, and sadly, every evil threat he makes would be absolutely believable and terrifying (nobody in the audience would fear a villain that's unbelievable).
"We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it to Make America Great Again."
Yeah, this was not written by Trump. There are too many words with more than one syllable.
Sad!
Simply define "wire money transfer".
Also, Wash Post Bobs is a nice band name.
I wonder which one is the Michael Bolton fan.
Wash Post Bobs was a band from Milwaukee in the early-mid 80's. They played a brand of garagey college-rock with a twinge of new wave influences. They formed in a dorm room as freshmen at Marquette. Twin brothers Robert and Alan Parcell held down the rhythm on bass and drums respectively. Charasmatic singer and guitar player Stephen Roberts joined the band after meeting the Parcells at a Die Kreuzen show. Wash Post Bobs released a 7" single "Nicoteen" b/w "Black and Blew" around Christmas 1982.
They toured the midwest; Milwaukee, Madison, minneapolis, Chicago, Detroit, Springfield, Bloomington, Dayton, Columbus. Their steady touring and energetic live show garnered the Bobs a decent following.
They recorded their first and only album "Houses Settling" in Fall of 1983. Released at Christmas 1983 on the bands own Post Hole Records, the record saw some pretty heavy rotation on college radio. CMJ featured the album in the February 1984 issue. Constant touring and good press lead to major label interest. But alas, it was not to last too long.
While staying at the Parcell's family cabin in Summer 1984, Roberts banged Mrs. Parcell. This lead to a rift in the band. Together they decided the only way to fix it wad to have the Parcell twins bang Mrs. Roberts. So they did. But then everything got weird. Touring the Midwest in a Dodge Dary wagon wadn't as much fun, now that everybody had banged each others moms.
Shortly thereafter, the band fell apart.
The Parcell twins went on to produce, direct, and star in a series of pornographic films where they bang moms. They invented the word MILF.
Roberts completed his studies at Marquette, graduating with a degree in Fine Arts. Moving to New York, he continued to perform music at open mic nights. Eventually he gave up music, accepting a senior partnership at Ernst & Young. He married Mrs. Parcell in a quiet ceremony in Montauk. They have two children.
Bravo!
FTFY
"Moral high ground" LOL
He actually just thought we were richer in truffles.
I could get behind the morel high ground. Oh yeah.
Time for another millennial poll:
"There is simply no market for dog meat among young people,"
LOL there's about a thousand things wrong in that picture to the average American.
Like the man lighting a cigarette?
That's a nice touch, isn't it?
The food is getting contaminated with second hand smoke!
The only thing that's missing is a visible squatter.
The Frito Bandito is in your house, eating your pie!
That son of a bitch! I wondered where my chili and Fritos kept disappearing to!
Trump is a businessman, and this is how you make deals in business. You threaten, or ask for something you know is untenable so that the man across the table negotiates you down to you what you really what. It is so simple.
Can't tell difference between sarcasm and actual word-for-word identical comment from real Trump supporters.
That is just because you don't know about business. If you knew about business what I know about business you would know that Trump is negotiating with Mexico the way a businessman would.
We have not had a president who has had experience in business for so long that business negotiation tactics inserted into foreign policy scare you.
I'm sure "Gimme some money or I'll fuck your shit up" is exactly the sort of business tactics Trump is familiar with. New York Values and all that.
You know how much drugs and drug money pass over the border? You think taxing the shit out of remittances is going to raise any substantial amount of money when money can be transported by other means more cheaply?
Have you ever businessed before?
Shouldn't you rephrase that as, "Bro, do you even business?"
Such negotiate, so business....
Sure, because who is going to use Western Union to send money back to their impoverished relatives in Mexico when they could just get a drug smuggler to carry it back for them?
I don't see how the left can complain about this. You hear arguments that the minimum wage must be raised because those who get the $15 an hour will spend it in their local neighborhoods unlike the rich who travel to Monaco and spend their loot there. Mexican remittances are killing the mom and pop stores.
The Mexicans are using their friendly neighborhood Western Unions to send the remittances?
Well, then Donald will just have to build a wall around those Western Unions.
There will never be a tax on these remittances, since big companies like Wal-Mart make big money off of Western Union sending the money back. And as much as I do not like taxes of any kind, this kind of tax, a tariff on the export of funds, while incredibly stupid, aligns far better with the founders' ideals of government revenue sources than any income tax.
Yeah, but we have an income tax, so it's not only incredibly stupid, but also double taxation in many cases.
First get rid of the income tax. Then we can talk about more reasonable funding sources.
Its not a double tax, because its refunded on your income tax.
There is already a tax on remittances in Oklahoma.
http://www.nmta.us/oklahoma-remittance-tax
http://okpolicy.org/new-remitt.....good-idea/
Build a wall now and you're only trapping folks here
Umm, no, leaving the U.S. for Mexico is easy. Last time I went to Tijuana, there was an unguarded one way revolving door to exit the U.S.
Getting back across that border is an ordeal.
Ditto for Nogales, although we know of a little gate that rarely has much traffic, so we don't have much to deal with coming back.
It was that way too for me when I went a year ago, but I've heard from friends who went more recently that it's not the case any more.
All those murderers and rapists in Mexico are being sent money from the US to stay in Mexico - make it hard to send them money and they'll come here to get it. Why is Trump in favor of attracting more rapists and murderers to the US?
Some, I assume, are good people.
I'm fine with that and I wish who ever wins would do that.
Because giving elected officials arbitrary powers always works out so well.
Aid to Mexico from the U.S was $560M in 2013, much more since. Wall costs 200 million? Mexican foreign aid gets reduced by $50 Mil for the next four years. Ergo: wall is paid for by Mexico in Trump's first term.
Given a choice on what to do with that money (and, because gubmint, not spending it isn't an option), I'd rather spend on a wall than on welfare for foreigners.
Why do you want to protect the welfare state?
Nick is drinking his urine again. At least it will give him whiter teeth for a while.
Most estimates for "the Wall" that I've seen are closer to 10 billion, if not more.
Here's my guess. Stiffly reduce Mexican aid, stiff punitive penalties for knowingly hiring illegals, and immediate $200 mil in wall construction at major crossings, and the Mexican government gets as serious about their northern border policing as they are about their southern border. At that point if the US government gets as tough about it's border as the Mexican government has miraculously now become, the illegal entry becomes a trickle. This issue has never been horribly difficult to address, it's simply been exacerbated by two lawless government administrations.
yes.
Republicans don't address illegal immigration because too many businesses rely on it.
Democrats don't address illegal immigration because they are banking on future votes.
So, we are kinda screwed on this topic.
10billion. that's chump change.
A lot of the aid we send to Mexico is for stuff like fighting the drug war. And while I'm ok with cutting that, Trump has given no indication that he supports winding that down.
Aid to Mexico has been dropping each year and is expected to be under $200 million in 2017. With the wall that Trump wishes to build costing in the $10 to $12 billion range, we are looking at 50 to 60 years to pay for the wall by cutting off all aid to Mexico.
Am I the only one who thinks business owners should be able to hire whomever they wish? AND that regardless of your citizenship you shouldn't take from one person to give to another? Is this just me?
/looks around room
uhhh...i've got a thing...
(a la Chevy Chase, Caddyshack)
yes
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Bottom line: It really makes no difference which clown gets elected, the deep state will carry on exactly as before.
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Mexico tortures migrants ? and citizens ? in effort to slow Central American surge
http://www.theguardian.com/wor.....al-america
"You know what country runs like a well-oiled machine? Mexico. We should be more like those guys."
What I'm reading there is that it has escalated of late at behest of the US which is pumping money to fund it. Mexico has always been blatant and obvious hypocrites about their North and South borders.
But it's funny that funding Mexicans to inflict pain on migrants is more politically expedient to them than tightening it here.
Leave it to the stalwarts supporters of collectivism and Marxianism (i.e. The Guardian) to insinuate that the crimes committed by some government officials or the local police of a Mexican state is the same as the whole country doing the same thing, i.e. it is not the local police, or the state police, or the federal police, or at least the Mexican government doing it. NO. It's Mexico who is torturing Central American immigrants.
Holy crap! Nick was assaulted Michelle Fields style!
Show us your bruises.
I'm tired of this anti-Trump propaganda. Trump has said that his wall will be humane. It will have a little door. What more do you people want?
He's awesome. What's better is watching his religious bigot opponent get hopping mad. hhttp://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/us/politics /wisconsin-primary-republican-race.html?_r=1
This election cycle is the best. The kind of thing that could only come from the greatest country in the world-- currently ranked among Eastern European former communist countries in terms of livability. Come on, America and your beautiful free market, we can beat Slovenia in average life expectancy.
We're just one more VA expansion away from progtopia.
I'll admit I get a certain thrill watching the front-runner of a major political power talk about the size of his penis on national TV. The only problem is when I realize that this rich asshole has a real shot of running a country that has thousands of nuclear weapons.
The threat of ISIS is nothing compared to what this country of simultaneously somnabulistic and agitated citizens can do.
Now, a demented old communist like Bernie Sanders in charge of the nuclear arsenal, and the economy, and all the other levers of power, that's just peachy! I bet you want cake.
Re: American Stultified,
Really? The whole 3.806 MILLION square miles of it?
I have to laugh at the notion that America has a 'free market' especially when Congress is filled with lawyers, but OK. What amazes me is the Marxian penchant for relying on meaningless statistics to prove some point that is equally meaningless since the two thing being compared are not comparable at all.
The lower caloric consumption throughout teenage years and adult life alone, never mind the fact that in the U.S. we save all kind of babies that don't survive in other countries and especially didn't under communist rule (when the people whose lifespans we are comparing were born) might lead to better health later in life. If you are killing off the weaker members of society in their infancy, and not counting it (seriously, look up how different countries calculate infant mortality rates, it's astounding how few of them use the definition the U.S. does), then your life expectancy should be a ton better than ours.
Re: spqr2008,
indeed, no argument there but let's put that aside. The Stultified socialist is comparing a completely fraudulent average calculated from a much diverse and much greater population in the US against an average made of a population that could fit in any of the hundred metropolis inside the US. That is what happens when Marxians marx to the tune of Marxianism. Stupid things happen.
Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States.
Dumbass.
Request to Mr. Trump: Please cite specific Constitutional authorizations for each of the steps outlined in your plan, explain why each citation is appropriate and how each step is "necessary and proper".
Are you serious?!
- Pelosi
Sounds like an extortion racket. The Nooh Yoack Way!
El Trumpo and the Trumpistas talk about remittances as if it were their own money going south of the border.
It's not a trend, Mr. Flake. Remember that the parties are not in control of the government. It is the lobbyists. And most are Mercantilist.
That's just how politicians talk about everyone's money. They are concerned when people don't pay their "fair share" to the government.
I can't stand Trump, but shouldn't all libertarians support not sending our money to someone else? Isn't that forced redistribution? Aren't we against that? Why is Nick seemingly in support of the government stealing my money and giving it to the Mexicans? WTF?
Do you know what a remittance is? It's when someone in one country sends money to someone (usually family) in their home country. This isn't about government redistribution.
This is my fault. I didn't read it correctly. I'm an idiot.
Re: Ship of Theseus,
Remittances are not your money. The remittances are made of money made by the immigrants who choose to send it abroad.
No.
Forced redistribution? Yes. Remittances? You will have to explain why.
Remittances are not made of your money. El Trumpo is talking about expropriating immigrants' money, for all intents and purposes. The dumb-ass either doesn't understand where those remittances come from or he's a goddamned thief. Take your pick.
Yeah, he's a thief... He has a history stiffing contractors out of their money after they helped build his New York empire.
I do believe he stiffs suppliers. I know businessmen like this, and they are all very proud of how rich they got by not paying people who they owe.
I think Trump has deliberately announced this in a way to steal headlines, but Oklahoma already taxes remittances at 1%.
You can get that back when you file your state income tax, so no money is "stolen" if you are legal.
Other countries do this as well as way to make sure taxes are paid.
Ah, I see. I was honestly confused. At one point there was a theory floating around that Trump was going to use the $$ the USA sends to Mexico every year to build the wall instead of sending it to them.
This is much worse.
If you don't like Trump, why do you always talk about him? #Trump'16
Nick: need to ramp up your copy editing. Articles have a lot of mistakes lately.
Can we just stop all this Mexican wall talk and deal with real threat, Canada, If one builds that wall high enough you could keep out, not only icebacks but winter itself... and Canada could pay for it too, because business.
They probably are the bigger economic threat, with all their cheap softwood lumber, adulterated maple syrup and subsidies for all things Canadian.
RE: ? ? Trump: I'll Force Mexico To Pay for Wall by Threatening To Cut Off Remittances
That money U.S. residents send to the old country? They didn't earn that, it turns out.
1. Thank God for Trump the Grump. If it wasn't for him (and Comrade Sanders along with Hitlery) I wouldn't have any real comic relief.
2. I guess all that money the immigrants (regardless of nationality) didn't earn it. Evidently these immigrants got it from the money fairy.
3. I'm sure Mexico will pay for a wall separating our two countries. They don't want any more of their citizens coming to the USA to improve their station in life.
4. Ask me again why I'm voting Libertarian.
I wish I could think of it as nothing more than comic relief.
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Trump can't even do this right.
You just place a tax on the remittances that is returned on your income tax.
Oklahoma already does this.
Thus, illegals who aren't paying income tax, can't get their tax back, but legal citizens can.
This is legal, and doesn't try to force Mexico to "make a payment."
Ohhhhhh, right. this is to get in the news cycle now to have Wisconsin not get talked about.
Fine. Tax the remittances to Mexico. And what prevents anyone from buying a money order at a grocery store and just mailing it to Mexico?
Or, for that matter, remitting it to someplace in, say, Canada, which might be set up as a result of this, which would act as a way-station and transmit it to Mexico?
Y'know, I agree with a lot of this article. But let's be clear about one thing. Trump doesn't understand the rest of the world. He doesn't care about foreigners. He's perfectly willing to say bad things about them. He'd be a disaster in foreign policy.
But none of those things is fear.
When you use the terms that the Left has sloppily- and selfishly-defined, like using whatever kind of -phobia as a general derogatory word for any lesser degree of support for the object of the "phobia" than what "the thinking man's party" pats itself on the back for supposedly having, you inevitably deteriorate the language-- and support the end results these definitions were coined to rationalize.
To paraphrase Aragorn: "Social Justice Language answers to SJWs alone; it has no other master!"
"trump doesn't understand the rest of the world" Nonsense. He understands the rest of the world just fine. but what he also understands is that a goodly number of voters care so much more about their family, friends and neighbors that "foreigners" just don't rate a damn.
Too many elected officials have pontificated about global needs for so long that Americans are pretty fed up. You can't have a POTUS talking down to rural Pennsylvanians and talking up poor Mexicans. fuck that. Too many of those rural Pennsylvanians are pissed about how those they know are down on their luck because they can't even get a friggin job in construction because the contractors prefer to pay illegals for day-labor under the table.
Trump is campaigning on this frustration and he knows exactly what he is doing. For many, he is a breath of fresh air, that for the first time in a long while, someone is actually talking to their needs.
It's precisely the sort of increase in economic freedom, globalizaton, and trans-border activity he seeks to regulate and control that has the main driver in reducing extreme poverty.
Economic freedom? You mean you can load up a van full of "assault rifles" in California, drive down to Tiajuana, exchange them for bales of "hemp," then drive back to the Homeland with full approval of the DHS, ICE, DEA, etc, etc?
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May be Mexico should tie up with India to export its agricultural products.
Don't you think that cartels are using the remittances for their profit? Sending money to grandma is okay, but you are naive if you don't think that gang members are paying their dues to the bosses in Mexico.
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a little transference eh?
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