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Yoga Banned from Georgia School: Blame Christian Conservatives, Not Political Correctness

Turning kids against Christianity? That's a stretch.

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A Georgia elementary school was forced to suspend aspects of its in-class yoga routine after parents complained that administrators were indoctrinating their kids into a different religion—proving once again that Christian conservative are just as easily offended as the politically-correct left.  

Yoga, the Buddhist practice of mindful stretching, is under attack everywhere from people on the left who claim it amounts to cultural appropriation. The student-government at a Canadian university successfully forced an instructor to cancel a free yoga class for disabled students, and a Native American activist convinced a county government to shut down a Florida woman's private yoga practice (she didn't have the right permit). 

But Christian conservatives in Kennesaw, Georgia, have their own issues with yoga. According to The Washington Post

Parents were concerned about yoga's spiritual origins. 

"No prayer in schools. Some don't even say the pledge of allegiance," Cobb County mother Susan Jaramillo told NBC affiliate WXIA. "Yet they're pushing ideology on our students. Some of those things are religious practices that we don't want our children doing in our schools." 

Christopher Smith, whose sons attend Bullard, shared a similar sentiment onFacebook

"Now we can't pray in our schools or practice Christianity but they are allowing this Far East mystical religion with crystals and chants to be practiced under the guise of stress release meditation," he wrote. "This is very scary." 

Is letting kids learn some de-stressing techniques really "very scary"? In any case, the school's principal assured worried parents that no one at the school will be teaching them to say "Namaste," so the anti-Christian brainwashing is at an end. Maybe these over-worried parents should try yoga for themselves—to calm them down.

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  1. “Now we can’t pray in our schools or practice Christianity but they are allowing this Far East mystical religion with crystals and chants to be practiced under the guise of stress release meditation,” he wrote. “This is very scary.”

    Dude does have a point, at least to the bolded portion. Doesn’t make the rest of his statement anything more than mumbo jumbo, though. Fight to get the government out of schools and bring back prayers, if the students and teachers want them. Don’t get rid of helpful stretching when your kid is probably already a lard-ass.

    1. Except that he he doesn’t have a point because you absolutely can pray in school.

      1. As a part of an in-class routine?

      2. Should the school should teach it, like they do mindful stretching?

        1. Of course not, that would violate the First Amendment’s prohibition against establishment of religion.

          1. So he does have a point?

        2. We get it, SIV. When you and your church buddies gang up on people to bully them into not doing something because it hurts your fee-fees, it’s all good and wonderful and the Bible. When icky heathens try to do the same, why it’s the worst oppression the world as ever seen. Maybe if you spent less time preaching death to homosexuals, and more time remembering the whole “due onto others as you would have done onto you”, our universities wouldn’t be fending off a choking infestation of SJWs right now.

      3. I would recommend reading lower on this thread. According to the reddit link for this article, the parents largely were on board with this program. It was when the Vice Principal began getting the kids to carry around healing stones and other hippy dippy stuff (she evidently owns a mystical stone shop), that the parents balked. They didn’t get Yoga banned- they got them to stop doing the more spiritual practices such as touching their hands to their hearts, and saying Namaste.

        1. Yeah I saw that. And I’m totally on board with ditching the hippy-dippy spiritual aspects of the practice.

            1. I was actually going to make that same point, but I have come to doubt that such fine distinctions are worth the ten-reply subthread they inevitably spawn.

              1. In Junior High, I took an elective class entirely on China. They had us eat using chopsticks in class!

                That is why I am a Ch’an Buddhist today.

            2. Again- it is not clear that this was the egregious slight that people were objecting to. The WaPo article makes a slight mention of “rumors of magic stones”. But according to some of the people that WAS the problem. Not Namaste, nor mandalas. It was that the Vice Principal of a school had kids in a yoga class where she was teaching them about which color stone could heal the spirit.

              This is of course all hearsay, but if that is the case, people should be applauding the parents.

              1. Yep, I agree. Parents should have a say in what goes on in PUBLIC schools. The School serves the people. It seems that government entities forget this quite easily. If the school isn’t serving the families in the way the parents want them to, those parents should speak up. Reverse the roles, if these were people that practiced Buddhism at home and spoke up about their VP of the local Public school who was teaching a class on stress relief and had the students wear crosses and pray to God during school for stress release purposes, this wouldn’t have even made the news. Prayer is very stress relieving and scientists have proven that religious affiliation does not affect the results. There is a definite bias against Christians right now across the board. There shouldn’t be discrimination against anyone’s right of conscience–period. Come on all you libertarians. This is basic, basic stuff. Christians have a right to speak up about their beliefs just like anyone else. Agree or disagree, but don’t shut down a person’s right to speak out and speak up about religion.

        2. I’m also okay with excluding the more metaphysical “woo-woo” horse apples as a simple compromise, after all, people have to learn how to work together in this world, and “healing stones” aren’t going to do that.

    2. You could also say the gays complaining about having to serve Christians, while Christians don’t have to serve them, also have a point. They can say they have a point, but they *don’t* have a point, because one shitty law doesn’t justify another. You don’t fight for liberty by making us all equally oppressed (something the Marxists also have trouble figuring out).

  2. Elementary-school yoga?

    It should be stopped on pure-stupidity grounds. “De-stressing” is generally not a problem for people who have no reason to doubt the existence of Santa Claus yet. I am reminded of those TV commercials that use children as pretend-corporate executives, or this Mr Show sketch

    1. Yoga is an exercise regimen that increases strength and flexibility. It’s also a method of mindful mediation that improves focus and discipline over one’s mind and body.

      1. The first one sounds like P.E. The second one sounds like religious indoctrination.

        1. How does it sound like religious indoctrination? It doesn’t reference any deity or spiritual content or religious doctrines.

          1. “Mindfulness indoctrination”

            1. Look, everything schools do is indoctrination. There are worse things they can teach as part of that program than teach kids how to stretch and pay attention to how they breathe and think.

              1. There are worse things they could teach than prayer too.

                (Are you and SIV just a part of an elaborate joke?)

                1. “”(Are you and SIV just a part of an elaborate joke?)””

                  Never interrupt a Cosmo/Yokel Mexican-standoff

                2. That’s a valid opinion, and I would be totally fine with private schools (even private schools that receive public funding) teaching prayer or casting bones or whatever other bullshit passes for knowledge with some people.

                  But so long as schools are administered by the government, formal prayer rituals violate the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

                  1. “But so long as schools are administered by the government, formal prayer rituals violate the establishment clause of the First Amendment.”

                    You’re almost there, now cross out “prayer” in put in “yoga”.

                    To be fair, I genuinely don’t care if public schools had formal prayer or yoga rituals. I’d leave it up to the parents. The yokels just have a good point here (especially if this mandala/crystal stuff is also true).

                    1. The yokels just have a good point here

                      I think you’re misattributing arguments here.

                    2. “I think you’re misattributing arguments here.”

                      Probably.

                    3. Except that prayer is an essentially religious activity, in that it is part of most major religions and not practiced outside of religion. Yoga can and is widely practiced outside of its Hindu religious context.

                    4. “Except that prayer is an essentially religious activity, in that it is part of most major religions and not practiced outside of religion. Yoga can and is widely practiced outside of its Hindu religious context.”

                      You’re not even trying! Prayer can be divorced from any religious or spiritual activity, at least to the extent Yoga can. One can easily “give thanks” without any divine higher power, just for example.

                      Yoga is definitely practiced outside of it’s Hindu context (in America, at least) but instead as a part of a hodgepodge of Eastern spiritual ideas. That is, spiritual ideas are being smuggled within it. (I’d further argue that most “prayer” today isn’t done properly either but that’s for another day)

                    5. Yoga can and is widely practiced outside of its Hindu religious context.

                      And it would probably be better for schools not to wade into that ambiguity if they are trying to avoid the appearance of endorsing a religious activity. Particularly when there are any number of unambiguously secular alternatives.

                  2. But so long as schools are administered by the government, formal prayer rituals violate the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

                    And arguably, so does a Hindu spiritual practice. That’s the point.

                    This is hardly a new, uniquely American, or uniquely Christian concern, btw.

                  3. But so long as schools are administered by the government, formal prayer rituals violate the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

                    Wrong. *mandated* rituals do.

                    e.g.

                    In Engel v. Vitale (1962), the justices ruled that official prayer had no place in public education.

                    This decision is widely misunderstood today. The court did not rule that students are forbidden to pray on their own; the justices merely said that government officials had no business composing a prayer for students to recite. …

                    In the following year, 1963, the Supreme Court handed down another important ruling dealing with prayer in public schools. In Abington Township School District v. Schempp, the court declared school-sponsored Bible reading and recitation of the Lord’s Prayer unconstitutional.

                    …It is important to remember that in these decisions the Supreme Court did not “remove prayer from public schools.” The court removed only government-sponsored worship. Public school students have always had the right to pray on their own as class schedules permit.

                    Also, the Supreme Court did not rule against official prayer and Bible reading in public schools out of hostility to religion. Rather, the justices held that these practices were examples of unconstitutional government interference with religion. Thus, the exercises violated the First Amendment.

                    1. Prayer rituals administered and required by the school is what I meant by “formal prayer rituals”. Sorry if that was unclear.

            2. Careful, next week I hear they’re going to teach the kids the scientific method to indoctrinate them with atheism!

              1. Oh please, most atheists wouldn’t know the scientific method if it bit them in the ass.

                1. But they “fucking love science.”

                  1. This is the most fun argument I have with an old school acquaintance regarding Anthropogenic Climate Change. I ask him to state an experiment or set of experiments that could prove Climate Change is caused by man, using the scientific method. Pretty much stonewalls him every time.

          2. Would it be permissible to teach a form of contemplative prayer like centering prayer that does not invoke a deity? No matter how much you water it down for the lapsed Episcopalians, yoga is more than just striking some poses; if it weren’t, they’d just call it stretching and wouldn’t bother with the glib namaste bs that makes lazy suburbanites feel like they’re this close to enlightenment.

            I don’t particularly care if kids have non-mandatory prayer or yoga in public schools depending on the wishes of parents, but this is just another example of how one-size-fits-all etatism is a train wreck and how every little thing becomes a political football when government takes a role in it.

            1. Genuinely curious whether people who say stuff like this have been to a yoga class. Because…it’s really just stretching. And having someone tell you to breathe.

              1. And centering prayer is just reciting your “sacred word” when your mind becomes busy, which is deeply calming.

                1. Saying Yoga has no essential connection to Chakras is like saying Easter is *really* about bunnies and eggs.

                  1. God, now GILMORE is the voice of reason. Do you see what you’ve done?

                    1. please, fool. I drop science like paraphernalia.

                  2. Easter is really about bunnies and eggs for a large percentage of Americans. And since far fewer Americans grew up in a Hindu culture than in a Christian one, it seems all the more appropriate to see yoga as divorced from religious elements.

                    1. And since far fewer Americans grew up in a Hindu culture than in a Christian one, it seems all the more appropriate to see yoga as divorced from religious elements.

                      Or you could just go with old-school Christian re-appropriation of pagan elements (like bunnies and eggs for Easter)…I give you

                      HOLY YOGA

                      Holy Yoga is the intentional practice of connecting our entire being, body, mind and spirit with God: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. With complete reliance on God’s Word and prayer, Holy Yoga invites us to surrender and introduces us to Grace. When we breathe and move and have our being in Christ, we find ourselves in the flow of His magnificence. There is often a misunderstanding that yoga is a religion; it is not. Yoga is a spiritual discipline, much like prayer, fasting and meditation. Yoga has the capacity to enhance our personal beliefs and faith.

                    2. The issue is whether its PERCEIVED by parents to be a practice inconsistent with their own religious faith.

                      Calling something “secular” simply because that’s how its treated by a majority doesn’t make it so.

                      I’m not sure why devout Muslim families should be expected to take that assertion at face value when someone insists these hindu “exercise routines” being foisted on their kids have no actual related spiritual-content….1000s of years of actual history aside.

                      And the same has been true re: Easter… just because white people insist its got nuthin’ to do with Zombie Jesus don’t mean jews or muslims were always happy to play along.

                    3. “I’m not sure why devout Muslim families should be expected to take that assertion at face value when someone insists these hindu “exercise routines” being foisted on their kids have no actual related spiritual-content.”

                      Muslim families should be damn happy to not live in a society constantly blanketed by deprivation and fear, even if it means their kids might learn some vaguely Hinduesque stretching exercises.

                    4. Careful, the Pentecostals might be all over that stuff

                  3. “Saying Yoga has no essential connection to Chakras is like saying Easter is *really* about bunnies and eggs.”
                    Eater is really about bunnies and eggs to me, and I like it that way.

              2. I don’t doubt that’s true but irrelevant here given no one is suggesting all this classes everywhere must stop. They are arguing this particular this yoga class, which apparently included many things which aren’t stretching and creating into it.

                IE – the existence of even millions of other completely secular yoga classes does not mean this particular yoga class hasn’t crossed the line from stretching in to religion.

        2. “The second one sounds like religious indoctrination.”

          You would know about religious indoctrination more than me, that’s for sure. Now try to learn some independent thought.

      2. Yoga is an exercise regimen that increases strength and flexibility.

        that’s great. So is kung fu.

        1. You mean the physical/spiritual training regimen of the Buddhist warrior-monks of Shaolin?

          1. My tiger style is not to be trifled with.

              1. I am eating Chinese food RIGHT NOW.

              2. HM, check out crippled avengers on Netflix. It’s a good one.

                1. HM, check out crippled avengers on Netflix.

                  A Shaw Brother’s Venom Mob film?

                  I’m there!

              3. Bring da ruckus

                1. My favorite Wu tang track is severe punishment. I can’t remember the movie the quotes are from right now but I tracked it down and bought it.

        2. …but with punching and kicking.

          1. The fist does not punch. The leg does not kick. WE NEED EMOTIONAL CONTENT

          2. It’s not the size of the opponent, fist. It’s the ferocity!

            1. It’s not the size of the sword, but the fury of attack!

      3. from “free range kids”

        “. What IS wrong, says Hara Estroff Marano (editor at large at Psychology Today and author of the inspiring, insightful and all together fabulous book A Nation of Wimps: The High Cost of Invasive Parenting) is when yoga becomes a substitute for good old-fashioned free play.”

        Why Yoga For Kids is Fucking Stupid

        She’s right on at least a half dozen points. Only one of which is that the main things yoga is “good” for are the things kids either don’t need or shouldn’t be forced to do. Others are equally applicable.

        1. You know what’s a good old substitute for good old-fashioned free play? Making those kids stretch while they change the bobbins on the looms.

  3. Yoga, the Buddhist practice of mindful stretching

    I can’t even express through text the depth of my facepalming.

    1. Hindu, Buddhist, it’s all pagan worship amirite?

      /sarc

      1. That’s a bit of a stretch, no reason to get bent out of shape. It’s nothing I would go to the mat for. It’s a downward facing doggone shame.

        1. Hey! Leave some jokes for the rest of us!

          1. Oh, sorry if I was posturing.

        2. “That’s a bit of a stretch, no reason to get bent out of shape. It’s nothing I would go to the mat for. It’s a downward facing doggone shame.”

          This is why Swiss is blind.

      2. THEY’S BROWN IS WHATS THE DIFFERNCE

      3. I can’t decide if calling yoga “Buddhist” makes it more or less religious in nature.

      4. “Hindu, Buddhist, it’s all pagan worship amirite?

        /sarc”
        I don’t think it’s sarcasm to John.

    2. That lardass never stretched in his life!

      1. I’m told he did a lot of stretching in his youth, before he found enlightenment.

    3. Get Right With Jesus, Son

      1. “Get Right With Jesus, Son”
        I’m fine with Jesus, he cares for my lawn.

    4. In Robbie’s defense he is a proud Millennial.

  4. “proving once again that Christian conservative are just as easily offended as the politically-correct left”

    Really?

    1. Note the retaliatority aspect in the quotes.

      1. *retaliatory

        1. retariatoiletry… retailerities… retaliapalooza…

          Ah… tit for tat.

      2. What’s retaliatory?

    2. Yes.

    3. It is a jerkass move, but it seems more “sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander”. This is the way a culture is put to the torch, with the aggrieved one upping each other and outlawing everything.

      1. Public school is by its very definition a vehicle for putting cultures to the torch.

      2. “It is a jerkass move, but it seems more “sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander”. This is the way a culture is put to the torch, with the aggrieved one upping each other and outlawing everything.”
        So if I understand you correctly, you’re employing the “He stated it” defense technique. Hate to break it to you, but hasn’t worked for anyone passed second grade.

        1. But it ought to work: Self-defense is a basic human right, and “he started it” is what distinguishes self-defense from criminal aggression. That “he started it” doesn’t work in public elementary schools is just another way that public elementary schools are screwed up, not evidence that “he started it” is wrong.

          1. I don’t think sending the F.B.I. after your ideological opponents is in anyway “self-defense”. Again, just because other people use despicable laws and tactics is not a priori permission for you to start doing these things as well. We’re not the goods guys just by saying the right things, but by doing the right things.

  5. “Yoga Banned from Georgia School: Blame Christian Conservatives, Not Political Correctness”

    I forgot about those guys!

    Not sure why school kids are in need of being de-stressed though. If prayer there helps can it come back?

    1. Possibly because they aren’t allowed to run around anymore. (I can see the point during class.)

      1. “Possibly because they aren’t allowed to run around anymore.”

        That’s a good point.

        “I can see the point during class.”

        Yeah, it looks like the parents found a good double-standard and pounced.

  6. It was the pants wasn’t it.

    1. That’s what I assumed.

    2. Old Man With Candy is disappointed he won’t get to see those little girls in yoga pants.

      1. He just has to open his trap door.

  7. Because mandatory classroom activities for grade school children are the same as free, elective college courses are the same as private businesses.

  8. Why not ban decimal system because it was invented by Hindus? Yoga/Meditation was invented by Hindus, it is a Hindu heritage but it isn’t some kind of exclusive religious practice.

    1. If it can’t be measured in cubits, it doesn’t need to be measured.

      1. “The Metric System is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that’s the way I likes it!”

        1. My car gets forty rods to the hogshead

          If I’m doing the math right, your car actually generates gasoline as it drives?

          1. ^^ This comment is pure gold.

        2. “My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that’s the way I likes it!”

          That’s an orgy I don’t want to attend.

    2. Wait til they find out our numerals are Arabic.

      1. Wait until they find out Jesus was from the Middle East and a Jew.

      2. They were actually invented by Indians and brought to Europe through the Arabs.

    3. Yoga/Meditation was invented by Hindus, it is a Hindu heritage but it isn’t some kind of exclusive religious practice.

      I assume this is completely true, furthermore I assume that US (and other “westerner”) Hindus are like US Catholics. So even a fully US based yoga class, built as a religious exercise (no pun intended) by US Hindus would mostly be watered down.

      However, in this case, we’re not talking about the average yoga class nor what most yoga classes are like nor anything about any yoga classes which are not this one class given by this particular school.

      I know with today’s education system, no young kids read On War, but let’s assume it’s required reading for all high school students and in all cases but one, it’s used only to teach history of war and philosophy.

      But one school uses it glorify the Blitzkrieg as a starting point to push fascism.

      The fact that in all cases other than one the book is used without incident has no bearing on the one case where it did.

      Just as the normal yoga class is irrelevant to a discussion about a single yoga class.

  9. Wo wman that makes a lot of sense dude. WOw.

    http://www.Anon-Net.tk

  10. OT: All other work has come to a dead halt while we dig out from the snow. I have been shoveling 18″ to 20″ of very wet, very heavy snow, with drifts over three feet, for the last two days.
    I’m really tired. Warty, is it ok if I don’t work out today?

    1. That sucks dude. I feel for you.

      1. Thanks. My back hasn’t felt like this since I lost all that weight. What gets me, though, is that I’m falling further and further behind because I can’t get any work done until all this stuff is cleared. People are exhausted, and there’s no budget to bring in day labor. I’m not sure there’s any day labor guys available, anyway; prolly they’ve all been snatched up.
        Ah well, at least I’m in Colorado and the temperature is above freezing and the sun is out and I’m not working right now, I’m at the bar drinking whiskey with a beer back and I’ve got pot for my muscles.

        1. Actually, I just stepped out for a cigar, and it’s gorgeous out here. Man, I do love the Front Range.

          1. Tits dude

    2. It’s always okay with Warty if you don’t lift, as long as you know that the alternative to lifting is being raped.

    3. Let me try: The reason you’re exhausted is because you need to SQUAT MORE!

      1. Meh, I occasionally do; instead I run up staircases two steps at a time, then run down, then back down, repeat several times. Same effect, I figure.

        1. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

          Srsly tho. Sqt mre.

    4. Mother Nature can be a bitch. I was watering my garden yesterday and my habaneros still haven’t sprouted.

      1. Habaneros, eh? Good man. You tried your hand at any recipes from the Yucatan?

        1. I use habaneros to make ceviche. I haven’t done to much else with them and this is my first time growing them.

          1. Interesting. I’m guessing a Peruvian style ceviche? I’ve made that with habaneros. The flavor isn’t as good as using aji, but it’s still pretty good.

            1. Bro, do you even Aji Amarillo?

              1. Yes, I also chile rocoto.

                1. You guys don’t have to resort to euphemisms here, we’re very accepting of your…alternate lifestyle.

                  1. *lubes up habanero for Hugh*

              2. I have whole Aji and rocoto frozen for grinding. My wife is Peruvian so yes, Peruvian ceviche.

                1. I use Mcdonald’s french fries for my Lomo Saltado. That’s the secret.

      2. My peppers survived the winter, so I’m just keeping them going.

      3. Complaints about an absence of outdoor nightshades in March are a telltale sign of Florida privilege.

        Also, alligators in swimming pools.

    5. “18” to 20″ of very wet, very heavy snow,”

      That’s CLEVELAND or Buffalo style snow.

    6. No. Squat more, chump. And it’s Doctor Warty to you. Chump.

  11. “[…]we can’t pray in our schools or practice Christianity but they are allowing this Far East mystical religion with crystals and chants to be practiced under the guise of stress release meditation[.]”

    Sauce for the goose…

    […] the school’s principal assured worried parents that no one at the school will be teaching them to say “Namaste,” so the anti-Christian brainwashing is at an end.

    And since these school administrators have given every possible indication they can be trusted and are not really Marxians seeking to brainwash our children, well then… let’s take them at their word!

    Robby, I don’t think these parents are that crazy. They’re simply making a point.

    1. From the article, just in case people would like more than Robbie’s abbreviated cocktail party invite summary:

      Among the elements of the program that will be eliminated: the Sanskrit greeting “Namaste,” placing hands “to heart center” and coloring pages with the symbol of the Mandala (a spiritual symbol in Indian religions representing the cosmos).

      Moore noted that a rumor had also spread about using or teaching “about crystals having healing powers.”

      “We will ensure that nothing resembling this will be done in the future,” she said.

      My girlfriend is Hindu. “Namaste” is just a greeting to elders (“Be sure to say “Namaste” to my grandmother, she already hates you for being a white devil.”), “hands to heart center” is a helpful yoga phrase, and “mandala” is a religious symbol that’s been secularized. It would be like getting worked up over saying “Bless you” and “turn the other cheek”, and coloring a cross. The first two are harmless, but the last would soil the seats of many an administrator. Anecdotally, the two yoga instructors I know can’t help but inject spirituality into every conversation.

      1. People do assuredly get bent out of shape over “bless you”.

      2. (a spiritual symbol in Indian religions representing the cosmos).

        I hate those guys!

        1. In other words, a “mandala” takes the place of an asterisk in their caveats and “to be clears”?

          1. Why not use a less contentious Hindu symbol more popular than the mandala, like the hakenkreuz.

  12. In case you’ve forgotten, Kennesaw is the town that passed the gun law making it mandatory for everybody to have a gun. If you live in Kennesaw and need a stress relief exercise, I would suggest exercising your Second Amendment rights gets rid of stress faster and more effectively – not to mention a hell of a lot louder and funner and explodier – than some artsy-fartsy lame-ass yoga crap.

    1. I would suggest exercising your Second Amendment rights gets rid of stress faster and more effectively

      Not in my experience, but ymmv.

    2. “In case you’ve forgotten, Kennesaw is the town that passed the gun law making it mandatory for everybody to have a gun.”

      Only non-objecting heads of households. (Looks like they passed that just to piss off other towns)

  13. Shoulda taught them tactical breathing instead.

  14. You know what they taught when I was in elementary school? Not yoga.

    1. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

      1. YOU CAN’T ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION!

          1. TEACHER! FIST IS CHEATING!

      1. It’s called neuroscience now.

        1. Of course you’d say that. You have the brainpan of a stage coach tilter.

        2. OK, everybody in the coffee shop is wondering why I’m falling off the chair laughing right now after getting through this sub-thread.

      1. Hey! That was my answer!

    2. We got an hour off every Thursday to go to catechism at nearby churches. All 3 major religions in town were represented — Catholic, Lutheran and Presbyterian. Kids who didn’t go to church got to goof off in class for an hour.

      1. And those kids will eventually have all the time in world to goof off… IN HELL.

  15. I remember back in my Baptist youth this being a huge issue. Some California schools were trying to start the day with meditation, right as we were having the big prayer in schools fight. The big comparison was how the minute of silence to start the day was being shot down but they were okay with meditation and talks about spiritual energy.

    Considering all the spirituality crap that tends to hang around this stuff, I don’t blame the Christians for thinking it is in the same category as prayer. Definitely have to wonder what the teachers were thinking when they decided to choose Yoga instead of Pilates (you know, Yoga without all the bullshit attached).

  16. Poor Yoga. Between cultural appropriation and Christian insecurity it can’t catch a break.

    Christianity fuck yeah!

  17. Some parents of don’t want their children taught some goofy mystical fad from a religion they don’t follow for an extra-curricular activity. Shrug.

      1. That’s your link for a yoga story? Dude, we depend on you. What is it that goes best with yoga pants?

        1. What is it that goes best with yoga pants?

          Kombucha?

      2. What if they just taught Pilates instead? They get all the parts they actually wanted and none of the mystical crap.

        1. in fact it seems they are going to teach yoga sans the mystical crap, story was somewhat off.

    1. I’m not sure who has the better drugs, AC or CJ. You’d have to be really, really high to watch that.

      1. I get high on life, Jibs.

  18. I honestly have to believe that the Christians are watching the proggies and figuring out that the way back to power is to act like totalitarian assholes, just like progs. Back during the inquisition, the church had all the power. People took that dude in the funny hat uttering moronic non-sense, seriously. Because the power of the state was behind them to use violence against you.

    So who has all the power now? Progs. Why? Because they have the heavy had of the state behind them.

    So Christians are seeing their way back. If Christians and Progs ever team up again, like they did with prohibition, we are so fucked. I’ll see you guys in the gulag.

    And yeah, I know some will say I’m going to hell for talking like this. But I know that god is an engineer. I’m an engineer. See? I’ll probably not only get out of hell, but I’ll get some mega fucking awesome gig designing the ultimate customizable fembots to populate some planets with, over which I will be supreme overlord.

    1. I would like to convert to Engineering.

      1. I would like to convert to Engineering.

        And you think born-again Evangelicals are insufferable? Just you wait….

    2. I honestly have to believe that the Christians are watching the proggies and figuring out that the way back to power is to act like totalitarian assholes, just like progs.

      You get more of what you reward . . .

      1. Who would’ve thought incentives matter?

        Principals/principles

  19. Wonder how they’ll react next semester when they teach them Zumba.

    1. That there sounds like one of them furen words to me. You one them fureners?

    2. Is that some African animist crap?

    3. I am prepared to be outraged when schools teach kids how to perform a proper pushup.

  20. Yoga is definitely a religion, and far more destructive than Christianity. I have no problem with them banning it if that’s the game they are going to play.

  21. Er, wait a second. I actually read the story and Yoga was not banned. Literally the practice of making the kids say the word “Namaste” as a greeting was discontinued:

    “Among the elements of the program that will be eliminated: the Sanskrit greeting “Namaste,” placing hands “to heart center” and coloring pages with the symbol of the Mandala (a spiritual symbol in Indian religions representing the cosmos).

    “Moore noted that a rumor had also spread about using or teaching “about crystals having healing powers.”

    “We will ensure that nothing resembling this will be done in the future,” she said.

    1. So yeah, they just stripped all the religious stuff out. Doesn’t sound terribly objectionable.

      1. Very insightful, Tulpa

    2. Er, wait a second. I actually read the story and Yoga was not banned. Literally the practice of making the kids say the word “Namaste” as a greeting was discontinued:

      “Among the elements of the program that will be eliminated: the Sanskrit greeting “Namaste,” placing hands “to heart center” and coloring pages with the symbol of the Mandala (a spiritual symbol in Indian religions representing the cosmos).

      Great! Now God The Laws of Physics help them if a teacher says “God Bless You” after a sneeze, has them color a picture of the Easter Bunny or have them sing a Christmas carol in music class this Winter. No establishment means no establishment.

      1. Now God The Laws of Physics help them if a teacher says “God Bless You” after a sneeze, has them color a picture of the Easter Bunny or have them sing a Christmas carol in music class this Winter.

        Certainly nothing like that could happen.

        1. America is, as you know, a deeply fundamentalist Christian nation.

        2. Good. Why should my tax dollars support mystic Christian rituals that are in opposition to my Buddhist beliefs?

          1. Perhaps I mistook your meaning, but I thought you were issuing a prediction that schools doing away with yoga might possibly result in them doing away with vaguely religious Christian traditions as well, which has already happened, to the extent of not naming the actual federal holiday for which the school is giving students time off.

    3. Come on, it’s just a misleading headline. Robby’s opening sentence

      A Georgia elementary school was forced to suspend aspects of its in-class yoga routine

      Clickbait puts food on the table, and Scott drew the Trump line in PM Links so we should let it slide.

      1. hmmmmm. I’m suspicious. Didn’t notice “aspects of” the first time I read it, and it also doesn’t jive with anything else in the article.

        Though I guess if he was to sneak a change in he would also have fixed the Buddhism thing.

  22. From reddit:

    “There’s a lot of information missing from this. My SO is a teacher at this school. The vice principal owns a gem shop. It goes wayyy deeper than just yoga. She is making the students carry around rocks and stones that increase your energy and other crazy stuff. If you ask the woman her occupation she says she owns a crystal store and moonlights as a vice principal. No one cares about the yoga. It’s the crazy hippy Stone stuff that she’s forcing on the staff and students that people are upset about. Sorry for any typos, I am posting this on my phone.”

    1. Oh god, those types of hippies annoy me. I just don’t get how they can believe the crap they do. Especially cest they are actively making this stuff up as they go.

      1. I remember this time with a former employee. I handed her the supplies she needed for her next task. She unspooled a length of the stuff (fabric tape with squares of heavy stuff inside) cradles it in her hands and coos “Ahh… the healing power of magnets!” I reply, “Um, actually it’s lead.”

        1. She must have adored MRI machines, or were those magnets tainted by technology.

          1. or were those magnets tainted by technology

            I’m guessing she would hate those. She seriously argued for the abolition of money, a return to the barter system and a hunter-gather economy (because of wealth of herbs in ?tzi the Iceman’s satchel, or some bullshit).

            Meanwhile she was incredibly sensitive to everybody “rolling their eyes” (her words) at her inability to catch up with the rest of the group doing simple repetitive tasks. She lived in a solar powered yurt, and spent her nights catching up with the X-Files, which she seemed to believe was a real-time documentary.

            The funny thing about the magnet bit was: she assumed a tape full of heavy bits was magnets even if didn’t once act like a tape full of magnets would behave, you know like stick to or be repulsed by itself, or stick to anything ferrous in the vicinity. It was magnets, because she wanted to believe.

            1. Aren’t the return to barter people funny?

              Ask them to explain how money differs from battering as they are only suggesting a monetary replacement. IE – if under this economy say a potato is ~one dollar, a CD ~15, then a CD can be assured for 15 potatoes or ~1500 marbles (assuming in this utopia marbles are ~one penny), how is this substantially different from paying 15 dollars cash and letting the exCD owner but their own marbles of potatoes as they see fit.

              They’ve been sold so strongly on the idea that man is sinful, will over consume even if it means destruction of the species, and that the root of the problem is money, they haven’t really contemplated that money, an insert object, cannot be the root of any problem (same with guns).

              Maybe with a little religious teaching too they’d know that the root of evil isn’t money, but the love of it.

      2. You must believe in invisible electro-magnetic radiation most of which you can’t even register in your body. You probably believe that when you go faster, time dilates, and when you are close to massive bodies, things curve. You believe all of this without ever making any measurement directly with your body.

        Hippies, on the other hand, believe in things that can be immediately felt and measured by any person whose body is open enough to feel subtle energies.

    2. Well, quartz will send your kids to hell, no doubt.

  23. Reddit anecdotes, so make of them what you will:

    link

    link

    1. Your first link doesn’t work.

      1. They basically say the same things anyway, but let me try again

        1. Yep, that one works.

  24. Rico doesn’t help his cause with this:

    “Yoga, the *Buddhist* practice of mindful stretching…” [emphasis added]

    1. Yoga is great. I need to start doing it again. Back when I was really into it, I was attacked by the yoga purists for doing unapproved yoga, or doing yoga in an unapproved way. “What, power yoga! OMG *shits pants*. you can’t do the asanas fast like that! OMG!”. Ugh.

    2. Right, because Yoga is actually a Hindu practice that started about 1,200 years before the birth of the Buddha. As well as the fact that some philosophies in Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras actually run counter to Buddhist thought.

      1. THERE YOU GO CORRECTING ROBBY AGAIN

        1. I’m still bitter about Lucy.

          1. [sighs, looks wistfully out the window]

      2. Oh, good, for a moment I thought the school board’s lawyer might get nervous that there might be Buddhist practices going on at the school, but now that it’s clear that this is a Hindu, not a Buddhist, practice, their lawyer can relax and allow yoga into the public school curriculum.

        /sarc

  25. I’m trying to think of all the the things, back in the 80s, that would send your kids to hell.

    Definitely playing any D&D games. Ouija boards, that was before the 80s. Watching Masters of the Universe cartoons, definitely send your kids to hell. Heavy metal music, send your kids straight to hell. There were so many things, I can’t even remember, the list was long.

    1. I recall Harry Potter book’s when they came out.

    2. Ha, ha. I remember the Ouija board craze. We played it at my house once. While the weird French-Canadian girl was pulling her seance my buddy tripped over the vacuum cleaner falling on his back. That was the end of the night because five guys laughing at a buddy get hurt is enough to put an end to anything.

  26. Yoga is mental illness training and completely inappropriate for school kids. The underlying message is that if you are stressed or anxious then just pray it away by relaxing. This is wishful thinking and the kind of practice that would be deemed ‘sorcery’ under the Judeo Christian tradition. Instead, kids should be kept busy and if they are feeling stressed and anxious then probably they just need more homework or real physical exercise and less time to worry about how stressed and anxious they are. The end result of yoga for kids is to push more of them into mental illness treatment, which is really just indoctrination into the anxiety disorders. This is part of a larger agenda complete with tent revival testimonials:

    When Mindfulness Meets the Classroom

    ‘Her four other brothers are in jail, and she is convinced it’s because they didn’t get the mindfulness training she now has. “Your emotions drive you mad,” she said.’

      1. And if you still don’t think it’s a cult complete with pseudoscience ‘proof’, Russell Brand is a big supporter:

        Meditation transforms roughest San Francisco schools

        ‘An impressive array of studies shows that integrating meditation into a school’s daily routine can markedly improve the lives of students.’ (i.e. none)

    1. “Mindfulness is widely considered effective as a treatment for children and adolescents with aggression, ADHD, or anxiety.”

      Fuck these guys if they are getting between an ADD kid and their meds. Just let the kids concentrate like a normal person.

      1. Just let the kids concentrate like a normal person.

        Hopped up on a fistful of amphetamines?

        1. Yep, because their brain chemistry is whacked and the only way they can get it to normal is with amphetamines.

        2. “Hopped up on a fistful of amphetamines?”

          Just as god intended.

    2. A-, would read again.

  27. Who doesn’t love stretching it?

  28. Who doesn’t love stretching it?

  29. Yoga …
    Turning kids against Christianity? That’s a stretch.

    What you did there? I see it. I wish I hadn’t, but I see it. Even through my *narrowed gaze*

  30. From Jeffrey Tucker’s post on the KKK lynching at Emory:

    It could be — and this is the prevailing view — that it was some non-student know-nothing hooligans who resent Emory as a bastion of civility, diversity, and intelligence.

    Has this ever happened anywhere?

    1. I’m gonna laugh so hard when it turns out it was a black guy.

    2. Fuck Emory

      I hope that $100k a year is for medical school

    3. Reading Tucker’s fb post is extra-hilarious when you keep in mind he also wrote most of the Ron Paul newsletters

      1. uhm… not the racialist ones. Those were by a writer who now writes for Forbes.

  31. When the public schools have periods of silence for the students, the courts will carefully examine the situation to make sure that government authorities aren’t trying to smuggle in prayer by the back door.

    Fortunately, yoga comes under the “cool hippie eastern-style religion” exception to the Wall of Separation between Church and State.

    1. (Now, don’t fret, HM, I mean the public-school version of yoga, not the pure form)

  32. I for one am glad that we’ve created a set of clearly defined procedures to have anything you want shut down, shut down.

    1. President Madagascar! The schoolchildren are doing yoga!”

  33. Maybe these over-worried parents should try yoga for themselves?to calm them down.

    Nothing short of a big bag of weed will calm down butt hurt of that magnitude. And of course they won’t do the Devil’s Weed because… something to do with “negros and jazz.”

  34. How about if Yoda does yoga in a yurt? Is that allowed?

      1. LIBERTARIAN MOMENT!

    1. If Yogi Berra drove a Yugo while eating yoghurt to a fork in the road, could he take it?

  35. Speaking of Berra, very disappointed Nick or Matt haven’t paid homage to Joe Garagiola (who was Berra’s close friend).

    As long as Lou Reed lives, right?

    1. When am I going to get my retrospective on Phife Dawg?

  36. On Shandling.

    The Larry Sanders Show with Norm McDonald:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IgD32TVWaQ

  37. Eh, if there was a Christian based exercise, would it be allowed in schools? Hell no, so why is yoga?

    1. “Time to have our unleavened bread and grape juice before lunch! Remember, this has nothing to do with Jesus!”

  38. A Georgia elementary school was forced to suspend aspects of its in-class yoga routine after parents complained that administrators were indoctrinating their kids into a different religion?proving once again that Christian conservative are just as easily offended as the politically-correct left.

    Not clear from the article whether this is a public school, but assuming it is: put your fucking kids in a fucking private school. Problem solved.

    1. Would you say the same thing to atheists if they don’t like praying, too?

      It would be a lot easier if the public schools financed themselves by charging tuition. The standard formulation has it, “No taxation without representation”, but if religious people are being taxed to pay for something, I can forgive them for imagining that means they get representation, too.

      If we want religious people to stop weighing in on how other people’s children are indoctrinated, maybe we should stop taxing them to pay for it.

      1. All the more reason public funding of education needs to be eliminated – like a wall of separation between the state and society.

  39. In Australia right now, there’s a big controversy over an anti-bullying program that has elementary school kids role playing as gay people and transvestites to see how it feels to be bullied for being LGBTQIXYZ.

    Oh the religious pro-bullying bigots, if only they’d stop caring about how the government raises their children!

  40. Next thing you know they’ll stop the kids from smoking weed in the parking lot because it’s a Rastafarian sacrament.

    What’s this country coming to?

  41. So what? Anybody with more than two brain cells to rub together already knows that religious conservatives are just the mirror image of SJWs. No bullying moral busybody is more noteworthy than the next, and they can all choke on their own self superiority for all I care.

    1. religious conservatives are just the mirror image of SJWs

      No. The bible-beaters homeschool. The SJWs want to force their shit on everyone.

      1. ^^^ This.

      2. “No. The bible-beaters homeschool. The SJWs want to force their shit on everyone.”
        What makes you think homeschoolers *don’t* want to force their shit on everyone? I ask because, from where I sit and what I see, many evangelical Christians totally want to force their shit on everyone. Or does “force their shit on everyone” mean one thing for your opponents, and another for your allies?

        1. Yes I’d say the interaction of all such groups in politics amounts to them trying to force their shit on everyone.

          But religious conservatives are mostly just old prudes. SJW’s are freaking drama whores with borderline personality disorder or something. One is a much more extreme fringe than the other. Largely due to the age different, perhaps. The story here had to be stretched into a narrative and shouldn’t have even made the real news, much less the national news. Now compare to the hunger strikes and civil disobedience and heads the SJW’s demand to see rolling these days.

    2. Religious conservatives got a yoga teacher to stop including mystical-sounding content as part of the class she taught to those religious conservatives’ very own children. That’s weak even compared to the SJW attacks on yoga instructors used as background in the story.

    3. and they can all choke on their own self superiority for all I care

      Said without a hint of irony!

      1. “Said without a hint of irony!”
        You are still perfectly free to still think yourself a good and compassionate, even as you pray to see me tortured for an eternity for daring to not share your religion.

  42. “Yoga, the Buddhist practice of mindful stretching”

    “The beginnings of Yoga were developed by the Indus-Sarasvati civilization in Northern India over 5,000 years ago. The word yoga was first mentioned in the oldest sacred texts, the Rig Veda. The Vedas were a collection of texts containing songs, mantras and rituals to be used by Brahmans, the Vedic priests. Yoga was slowly refined and developed by the Brahmans and Rishis (mystic seers) who documented their practices and beliefs in the Upanishads, a huge work containing over 200 scriptures. The most renowned of the Yogic scriptures is the Bhagavad-G?t?, composed around 500 B.C.E. The Upanishads took the idea of ritual sacrifice from the Vedas and internalized it, teaching the sacrifice of the ego through self-knowledge, action (karma yoga) and wisdom (jnana yoga).”

    source: http://www.yogabasics.com/learn/history-of-yoga/

    So, not Buddhist. Reason needs a “Stop and look both ways” blog.

  43. RE: Yoga Banned from Georgia School: Blame Christian Conservatives, Not Political Correctness

    I thought Yoga Berra, the great catcher for the NY Yankees was dead.
    Now how will he get his sixth grade education?

  44. “… but they are allowing this Far East mystical religion …”

    Middle East mystical religions good … well, some of them anyway … Far East mystical religion bad.

    Can’t even adopt American religions because ‘cultural appropriation’.

    I think I’ll just invest my own tax bre .. er, religion.

  45. The stretching part should certainly be allowed… But some people use yoga to promote some very strange nonsense that they’re welcome to do on their own time but that should probably be kept out of schools.

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