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Donald Trump Says Military "Won't Refuse" His Orders to Commit War Crimes

At GOP debate, merely pledging boots on the ground in Libya passes for sanity.

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The brief moments of tonight's Republican presidential debate

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which touched on foreign policy highlighted each of the four remaining candidates' willingness to engage in bloodthirsty triumphalist rhetoric, and the more specific they got, the more frightening the details became. 

When asked how he would confront ISIS, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fl.) repeated his oft-stated preference to put boots on the ground in (count 'em!) Iraq, Syria, and Libya, but that it would only be a "specific number of American special operators" (though he never offered a specific number). Rubio added that the brunt of the force against ISIS would have to be made up of Sunni Arabs and "an increase" in airstrikes, presumably launched by US forces. 

Gov. John Kasich (R-Ohio) took a moment to brag about his 18 years in Congress serving on the Defense Committee before saying it was a mistake on the part of Hillary Clinton to "work aggressively to depose Moammar Gadhafi," but now that the shit has hit the proverbial fan, Kasich too supports troops in Iraq, Syria, and Libya. 

For some reason, the moderators never put the same question to Donald Trump or Texas Senator Ted Cruz, instead pivoting toward Trump's previous declarations that he will target the families of suspected terrorists with airstrikes and also deploy "interrogation methods more extreme than waterboarding."

When moderator Bret Baier noted that several high-ranking military and intelligence officials said they believed the rank-and-file military would refuse to commit war crimes, per their training to refuse illegal orders, Trump replied, "They won't refuse. They're not going to refuse me. Believe me."

Trump then took a moment to insult Ted Cruz for "having a hard time with that question" at a previous debate (it should be noted that at the debate in question, Cruz said he supported waterboarding in certain circumstances, but apparently not vociferously enough to impress Trump).

Defending his call to kill the families of terrorists, Trump made a veiled reference to Saudi Arabia and flat-out lied in depicting the 9/11 hijackers as family men:

Well, look, you know, when a family flies into the World Trade Center, a man flies into the World Trade Center, and his family gets sent back to where they were going—and I think most of you know where they went—and, by the way, it wasn't Iraq—but they went back to a certain territory, they knew what was happening. The wife knew exactly what was happening.

They left two days early, with respect to the World Trade Center, and they went back to where they went, and they watched their husband on television flying into the World Trade Center, flying into the Pentagon, and probably trying to fly into the White House, except we had some very, very brave souls on that third plane. All right?

For his part, Cruz said gave a fairly stock answer short on specifics:

We will rebuild this military so that it remains the mightiest fighting force on the face of the planet. And then, when I am commander-in-chief, every militant on the face of the Earth will understand that if they go and join ISIS, if they wage jihad against the United States of America, they are signing their death warrant.

Anybody miss Rand Paul's squishy non-interventionism yet? 

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83 responses to “Donald Trump Says Military "Won't Refuse" His Orders to Commit War Crimes

  1. I’m hoping in the event of a Trump victory (if he’s not quickly impeached) that he breaks the federal government by being so abrasive and Trumpish that the huge parts of the fed workforce refuse to do anything for him. Hopefully walking off the job completely.

    1. So we could fire them without severance or pensions? Damn that would be awesome. Are you trying to get me to vote for Trump? If so, you are on the right track.

      1. Gutting federal employment, while simultaneously gutting their lavish pensions would be a dream come true.

  2. Duh. He’s tough, and what Army man would have the stones to refuse him?

      1. You’re a great guy, Trigger, I think you have some smart ideas, but you’re not gonna say no! Believe me, you’re not gonna say no and, by the way, your ideas could use some work.

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    There just doesn’t seem to be any coverage of him here.

    1. He’s Magical Click Bait Man!

      1. Ya know, when it became obvious that he was the run-of-the-mill blow-hard, I could see a couple of articles making that clear.
        Now he’s the front-running run-of-the-mill blow-hard, but it seems there might be something interesting to say about why the public finds THIS blow-hard less dislikeable than his opponents, instead of pointing out once again that he’s a blow-hard.
        Yeah, he’s pathetic, and yet the population finds him less so than the others. Why might that be? You’re not gonna find out here, where it’s TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP,
        Oh, and did I mention there was an article about TRUMP here today?

        TRUMP,

        1. Trump rhymes with Dump and that starts with a capital D for disaster.

          1. Ladies and gentlemen, either you are closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge, or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated by the presence of a Trump in your community!

        2. If Reason had devoted this kind of energy to boosting Rand Paul, then HE would be the front runner.

          1. Well, Rand is a republican, and their parties suck. At least with Hillary the reason writers have a chance of attending all the cool parties.

  4. Part of me would love to believe that the Pentagon would refuse to follow the President’s unconstitutional orders.

    The other part of me doesn’t want to see the end of civilian control of the military. And isn’t that what we’re talking about?

    It’s funny how Trump really is unmasking these people for all their ugliness.

    Trump is unmasking the progressives as phonies–they do not represent the will of the American people.

    Trump is also unmasking the Republican establishment–who don’t believe in the will of the people either.

    1. Ken, no. Military officers swear an oath to the Constitution, not to the president. All servicemembers are obligated to disobey unlawful orders, but officers are especially on the hook for that, because officers do not swear to obey orders. That gives them the freedom to make good decisions, but also means they cannot ever say they were just following orders.

      1. I don’t believe Mafia-style hostilities are unconstitutional. Trump will have them do what Congress & their voters want done but won’t admit. “You know you want it, but you don’t want to be the bad guy. That’s OK, I’ll be the bad guy for you.” You may know that dirty is the way I think fighting should be done; if you don’t, you’re doing it for sport, which is truly evil.

        1. I mean if you don’t fight dirty, you’re fighting for sport, which is truly evil.

  5. Sadly, the past fifteen years have proven him right.

    1. Well, there was Shelia Manning and Snowden. They weren’t following orders.

      And although everything I saw in the Abu Ghrabi photos seemed to be perfectly in harmony with the revised interrogation guidelines introduced by Gonzo, Rumsfeld, and Co., Lynndie England and friends–rightly or wrongly–did go to jail . . . albeit maybe for following orders.

      That’s something.

      1. It was the drop of moisture in the vast and sand desert.

      2. The Abu Ghrab photos were Joe’s being jackasses not interrogations.

  6. The sad, sorry, scary thing is, if worse came to worst, I might feel better about the military taking over the government for a while–rather than Trump or Hillary having their way (in the jailhouse sense) with the Constitution. It might be like when the Egyptian army deposed the Muslim Brotherhood. The people wanted to give the Brotherhood a go, but then the bastards tried to suspend their constitution, etc. That coup was extremely popular.

    What’s the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff right now like, anyway, this “Fightin’ Joe” Dunford? I know he’s a Marine, and just knowing that, I’d count on him to keep his oath to defend the Constitution of the United States–more so than I’d count on Trump or Hillary to do likewise. Do three years of military rule, and in 2020, maybe “Fightin’ Joe” could run for the Republican or Democrat nomination himself.

    By then, Hillary should be in prison for taking bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State anyway . . . in a sane world. Please be ready, General Dunford. Your country may need you.

    And it’s not like we have government of the people, for the people, and by the people anyway. Both Trump and Hillary, both progressives and establishment Republicans–they’re all about imposing themselves on the American people (in the jailhouse sense). I’ve got more faith in Marines I’ve never met than I do in any politician running for the White House.

    1. The people get the government they deserve. A military cope isn’t an option.

      1. What about a cape?

        1. Shit. Maybe it’s a sign that our uniforms need to be updated. Capes for all officers.

            1. You are tempting me to come out of the Retired Reserve now…throw in a groom and a batman, and I will!

              1. The Army still allows the cape to be worn with the full mess uniform…..need to get one, and a sword…..that would be cool !

            2. And a plate full of faggot cookies.

          1. I’ll go one step further. Capes for ALL government officials.

      2. Historically, these things generally happen in one of two ways : either 1) the bureaucracy starts taking orders directly from the executive or 2) the military stops taking orders from the executive.

        Democracy failed under the Kaiser in Germany over a budget debate. It was a government shut down scenario. Instead of bothering with trying to broker a deal to end the impasse, Bismark called in the bureaucrats and just started telling them what to do–without the Reichstag’s input or approval. Here’s our tax rates, go collect the taxes. You over there–here’s the budget. We’re spending on this, that, that, and this. Everybody did what they were told, with Prussian efficiency, and democracy became redundant.

        The option we’re talking about here is the second one, where the military stops taking orders from the executive. That’s the most common one.

        When democracy fails in the United States, it’ll happen in one or both of those ways. Typically, the legislature continues to meet and blab about things. They still take votes on issues. It’s just that the outcome stops mattering after a while. We’re not there quite yet. We still need another legitimate crisis or two. But most of us here may live to see it. Having a President like Trump or Hillary would certainly speed things along.

        1. The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever.

          1. You forgot the rest!

            Fear will keep the state in line, fear of this yuge battlestation.

    2. Wesley Clark took that same oath and he is a complete cunt.

      1. Ah yes, Wesley Clark-Hillary’s running mate.

    3. In Turkey, the military took their charge of defending the constitution pretty seriously and deposed most of the civilian governments through the 1980s. Not saying they were benevolent rulers (see Midnight Express), but I would have more faith in our military to rule benevolently than I would Trillary.

      1. They did until Erdogan started purging the officers, now not so much.

  7. “Anybody miss Rand Paul’s squishy non-interventionism yet? “

    Oh, that guy? I seem to remember some coverage of him last summer, before Reason turned into the 24/7 Trump-Channel.

    1. That was the summer of hope- before the evil of reality took over.

    2. One of the things smart people do is anticipate problems and avoid them.

      99% of America needs something to go wrong before they realize a mistake was made.

      People think it’s enough if we learn from our mistakes. Why can’t we just avoid the obvious ones?

      The relatively less stupid people ask us how we could have known what was going to happen with ObamaCare ahead of time. The average people still think ObamaCare is going great. They won’t know anything’s wrong until their policy gets canceled or the IRS comes after them.

      Yeah, the American people should have bowed to Aqua Buddha. Even when things get bad under Hillary or Trump, they’ll never know how good they could have had it. Their tiny little brains don’t work that way. To them, it’s all about trust. Who do they trust? The lady or the angry man? I this way, our emperors are chosen.

      Meanwhile, Rand Paul should have run for governor of Kentucky. He’d have been so ready to go in 2020–no matter who wins. He could even have challenged an unpopular Trump for the Republican nomination–with four years as a legitimate governor under his belt.

  8. So our choice is between this odious, thieving, deceitful, ego-tripping loon or Trump. Party leaders must feel like they’re in a waking nightmare. Hillary is so unpopular even the Romneytron mannequin could win in November. Trump’s biggest accomplishment may well be delivering Secretary Clinton into the White House.

    Or maybe he’ll get elected. Eventually he’ll get schooled on the rules of the Constitution and the limits to the President’s powers, right? Right?

    1. Hahahahahahaha… *weeps*

    2. Keep in mind that the limits of the President’s powers, as mutually agreed by everyone in Washington over the last two administrations, are the power to torture opponents’ families until they do what he (or she) wants, or else just execute them and replace them with a crony.

  9. President Trump: ” Suck my needle dick!”
    MILITARY leaders: “Sir, YESSIR!”
    President Trump: “Cocksuckers.”

  10. “Anybody miss Rand Paul’s squishy non-interventionism yet”

    No, not really, since he advocated military intervention in Syria so he could get votes from the rubes. I regret the fact, though, that it looks like Bernie sanders is going to lose and we’ll be stuck with tweedle-dum and rich asshole looking for votes from White supremacists.

    1. When did Rand Paul advocate for intervention in Syria? Of any kind? He repeatedly and explicitly argued that America should stay out of it and that toppling Assad would lead to more problems.

      Bernie, meanwhile, advocates regime change in Syria. That’s his official position – Assad must go. He differs little from Hillary or most of the GOP on that.

      You never fail to show what a lying sack of shit you are.

      1. From: http://www.thedailybeast.com/a…..syria.html

        “After President Barack Obama announced on Wednesday his strategy for expanding the war against ISIS into Syria, Sen. Rand Paul offered his rebuttal, alleging that the war was unconstitutional without congressional authorization; it was an obvious move, being the “libertarian-ish” conservative that he is. Less duh was Paul’s endorsement of the war itself: “This is an intervention, and I don’t always support intervention?but this one I support.”

        Is this squishy non-intervention to you?

        1. Hey, shitbag – how about you explain the benefits of Bernie who supports regime change in Syria?

          Your initial statement was that Paul supported military intervention in Syria. Despite The Daily Beast’s headline – that isn’t Paul’s actual position. He said he was on board with bombing ISIS, but opposed any other action to prop up ‘moderate’ Syrians or to oust Assad. So:

          Paul decried the removal of “secular dictators”: “We need to remember how we got here, and the reason we got here is because we took it upon ourselves to topple secular dictators who were the enemy of radical Islam.”

          The ‘squishy’ non-interventionist took a less hawkish position than Bernie whom you praised. It’s a far more coherent and realistic position than the one taken by any Democrat.

          1. Rand Paul on air strikes against ISIS: “”The military means to achieve these goals include airstrikes against ISIS targets in Iraq and Syria. Such airstrikes are the best way to suppress ISIS’s operational strength and allow allies such as the Kurds to regain a military advantage”

            This is your anti war candidate? Pitiful.

            1. Hey faggot cookie, what non-interventionist candidate are YOU backing?

              1. Sure, no problem. I’m supporting Bernie sanders, who opposed the Iraq war from the beginning and doesn’t want to put tens of thousands of troops in Syria like the Republican Party does.

                Should Sanders not receive the nomination I’m going here, to the Peace and Freedom Party. Here is their statement on military intervention in iraq and Syria and on military intervention in general.
                ***
                Born in the anti-racist and anti-imperialist struggles of the 1960s, the Peace and Freedom Party has opposed every U.S. foreign adventure since Vietnam. Our Platform takes an uncompromising stance on Peace and International Justice: The drive for greater profits by multi-national corporations which direct U.S. foreign policy is a major cause of war. We stand for peace between nations and the right of all peoples to self-determination. We support an ongoing socialist transformation everywhere. We therefore call for:

                The U.S. to renounce nuclear first strike, and take the initiative toward global disarmament by eliminating all of its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.
                o U.S. intervention anywhere. End all support and aid to repressive regimes and all military and police training aid everywhere. End efforts to destabilize foreign governments. End U.S.-directed economic warfare against other countries. Abolish the CIA, NSA, AID and other agencies for interference in other countries’ internal affairs. Withdraw all U.S. troops and weapons from all other countries.

              2. Stop all U.S. arms exports and trade.
                Dissolve all military pacts.

                Convert from military to peaceful production; reallocate the resulting “peace dividend” for social benefit.
                Abolish the Selective Service System.
                No weapons in space.

    2. we’ll be stuck with tweedle-dum and rich asshole looking for votes from White supremacists.

      Not to mention whoever the Republicans end up running.

    3. Old southern Democrats?

    4. AmSoc, go commit suicide. Piece of shit.

  11. This is a somewhat minor detail, but… third plane? He knows that two planes hit the WTC, right?

  12. “We will rebuild this military so that it remains the mightiest fighting force on the face of the planet. And then, when I am commander-in-chief, every militant on the face of the Earth will understand that if they go and join ISIS, if they wage jihad against the United States of America, they are signing their death warrant.”

    The first sentence is questionable because it implies the problem with the military is not enough spending.

    The second sentence seems like what you’d say to people considering joining a war against the United States.

    Warning people “if you join a literal war against us, we’ll kill you” doesn’t seem all that out of line or scary. It seems like the policy we ought to have.

    In fact, isn’t it the policy we *already* have?

  13. Now, is Trump talking about killing terrorist families?

    If that’s what he’s saying, he’s just evil.

    (It would be like, say, killing the children of rapists)

    1. That’s what he’s said in the past.

      At one time, Russia used to do just that. And Trump is a big admirer of Russia…

    2. Who knows what he’s talking about? He’s an idiot who just says whatever shit floats to the top of his head – not a good trait for a potential President.

      I think it’s always been the case that we target specific stuff – people, military equipment, bridges, etc… Any “non-combatants” nearby who get hit are “collateral damage” and oh well.

      But our military has never intentionally targeted non-combatants and I seriously doubt they would follow that kind of order.

      1. Just the opposite of the way war should be fought. I’d target the non-combatants if at all available. Hit ’em where they’re weakest & least expect it, & make it horrible. Terrorists have the right idea, they’re just on the wrong side. But don’t blow stuff up if you can loot it.

    3. So… we’ll does that mean we’ll only kill terrorists’ families, and not first responders too?

    4. That’s only because rapists aren’t an allied faction vs. rapees. If it were the Rape Alignment of Planet Excrement, I’d want to strike at the most horrifying & weakest point against them, which indeed might be their families. And I’d do it in ways that’d make RAPE paranoid, not leaving any obvious signature, so they wouldn’t know why their family members were sicker, dying sooner, or having accidents more often than the people around them. Extra fun would be raping their family members!

  14. “Anybody miss Rand Paul’s squishy non-interventionism yetsince we cannabalized him?”

    FIFY

    1. Rand Paul wouldn’t rule out military action against Iran or ISIS, he was setting himself up to be history’s greatest monster.

    2. Rand Paul wouldn’t rule out military action against Iran or ISIS, he was setting himself up to be history’s greatest monster.

  15. How did the audience react to Trump talking about killing families?

  16. Anybody miss Rand Paul’s squishy non-interventionism yet?

    You mean where he pledged to “destroy ISIS militarily”?

  17. Trump is like a truckload of ExLax for the pants shitters here.

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