Bystander Screams at Woman for Leaving Baby in Car for a Few Minutes
Not illegal.


Should there be a law preventing parents from making rational decisions about how to raise their beloved kids? That seems to be the absurd consensus, at least regarding this particular case, as presented by this news station: KHQ Spokane reported that a man noticed a baby in a car in a Target parking lot and confronted the mom as she returned after her brief errand.
"You do not leave a baby in the car!" cried the man, Jon Evans, even though—clearly—she did leave the baby in the car for a few minutes, and the baby was fine. That's not shocking: most babies left in cars remain safe and healthy. In fact, children are more likely to die in parking lots than in parked cars.
But why let facts stand in the way of foaming at the mouth? Americans are convinced that kids in cars are in danger (ignoring the weird fact they themselves spent part of their childhood waiting in the car) and are positively gleeful at the prospect of harassing busy parents and threatening to call the police.
Oddly, no one yells at parents who choose to drive their kids around with them in the first place, even though that is the number one way kids die: in moving cars. ("Lady! You drove your child to the mall! What kind of crazy mom does that? That's nuts!") Maybe such a day is coming. But so far we only lapse into hysterics when it comes to kids in non-moving vehicles.
Video footage of the Spokane encounter shows the mom exasperatedly responding, "If you guys go and have your children, you can take care of them the best you can. I am going to take care of him the best that I can." Naturally, the whole thing has gone viral, with KHQ eagerly reporting nuggets of wisdom from its comments section, including, "Obviously we need to look into a heavier law for leaving children in the car. I'm sorry but if they are under the age of 16 they shouldn't be left in a car, especially a baby."
Another said: "If it is not illegal, it should be…it only takes a few minutes for something to go horribly wrong."
Back when I worked in TV news, we used to call this kind of reporting "Triple A"—Ask Any Asshole. Rather than considering whether it makes any sense to condemn this mom, the anchor reported that her actions were not illegal, and then spent the rest of the time harping on why she should be flayed alive. Imagine what would happen if every time we watched a viral video, we demanded new sanctions on the people who parent differently than we do.
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She should have just shot the fucker
She should have started yelling at him "what are you doing checking out my kid, you fucking pervert? Get away from my kid, pervert!" etc. etc.
The best defense is a good offense
Yup. It would likely discourage the asshole from posting his video, too.
Absolutely. And claim sexual harassment too.
This is excellent advice.
So then . . yell get away from my child you fucking pervert . . . . and then shoot the fucker. That's OK right?
Shouldn't there be a 'stop resisting!' in there somewhere?
I think "pervert" is the civilian-grade equivalent of "stop resisting".
Or "stop resisting" is the weaponized "pervert".
It's not illegal, nor is yelling about it.
Yelling at someone could constitute illegal harassment (depends on degree of verbal abuse and/or physical intimidation).
Ah, having RTA, the dude filmed the encounter???
That asshole was just trying to go viral.
These articles have convinced me not to have children for quite some time, if ever. The wife is fine with that.
If you don't have children people like the Parking Lot Shouter will have children and will raise little Parking Lot Shouters.
You are ceding the future to these people, Mustang. I have seen the future and there is a lot of yelling in parking lots.
The way my children would be raised would most likely lead to me being in jail and the kids in the hands of CPS, so we're doomed either way.
You'd force your kid to sleep in a cage in the attic too, huh?
It's for his own good.
Fuck the future. I'll be dead soon enough.
You are ceding the future to these people, Mustang.
Better than condemning a child to it.
Yours would just be mavericks, anyway.
+1 need for speed.
OT. One naked guy against three cops. Naked guy wins. Proves my theory: cops use tasers so that they don't get their hands dirty.
https://imgUr.com/gallery/6MTFvih
Ahem. Naked Ninja.
Looks like one of the taser probes hit another cop. Whoops.
That's hilarious
Police say while this particular example is not technically illegal?
technically correct is the best kind of correct
As soon as they said not technically illegal, I would tell them to get the hell out of my business.
"So, since not technically illegal means not illegal at all, and since not illegal at all means perfectly legal, maybe now its time for you to fuck off?"
That'll get you arrested or maybe even shot for contempt of cop.
well, technically...
I'm sorry but if they are under the age of 16 they shouldn't be left in a car
wow, just... wow
Can't fill your tank and go inside to pay with Cash.
Just another reason to force people to live in a cashless society.
nevermind the I'm sorry but, which always means they're not sorry
Next time I hear that phrase, my reply is going to be:
"Your apology is accepted. I'm glad to see that you feel remorse for your ways."
If only they could save some time with a simple "Sorry, not sorry."
Somehow a kid goes from unable to spend time in a car unsupervised to operating one on that magical day of the 16th birthday.
And on that day they transform from being too young and helpless to be left alone in a car to being able to drive a car.
That really jumped out at me too. What the fuck is wrong with these people? A 14 year old shouldn't be left alone in a car? I just can't even imagine someone believing that.
If the are under the age of 16, then should be locked in a padded room 24 hours a day. Otherwise something bad might happen to them.
Stupid babies need the most attention.
I know that's a Simpsons quote (or a modified one), but I'm drawing a blank.
This is going to bother me until I have my first beer this evening.
It's the episode where the kids get taken away by CPS and given to the Flanders for foster care.
I know you have a meme ready.
Fine. I'll do it.
Jesus. Don't you get it? The car could have been hit by a meteor while she was buying cigarettes!
What about a handicapped child? Do you drag them out of a handicapped car for a 2 minute visit to a convenience store? If the child is sitting in a locked car and it is not hot out...what does it matter?
Under 16? LOL! 14 year olds are probably at risk from abduction or heat stroke from sitting in a parked car.
If you leave a 14 year old alone in the care, he/she is just going to start sending pictures of his/her genitals to perverts on the internet.
Do you want your 14 year old to be a sex offender??? DO YOU????
I don't want to deal with that kind of paperwork.
Umm . . . maybe?
OMWC agrees
I know they're supposed to, but in real life they just get distracted by all the knobs and shit.
"If it is not illegal, it should be
EVERYTHING NOT MANDATORY IS PROHIBITED
People have lost their minds over this. I left the dogs in the car yesterday while I was in a restaurant and someone called the cops-- It was 66 degrees outside and 76 F, 30% RH inside the car (Yes, I keep a hygrometer inside). They are working dogs who spend almost as much time in the car as in their kennels. I read Lenore's FRK blog, so I leave to avoid the chance of butting up with a cop low on his quota.
These simple-minded morons can not differentiate between normal temperatures and Los Vegas in the summer.
It can reach 1200 degrees in 5 minutes in a closed car!
I know this because I saw it on the 5 o'clock news.
and melt steel!
You'll have to fight that one out with the 911 troofers.
It's OK when a police K9 handler does it, though.
+1 "special training"
Please, if anyone on these boards gets harassed for leaving dogs in a car in agreeable conditions, please dare the accusers to go harass police cars with K9's in them.
Then, follow them to make sure they do, and record the interactions.
"Another said: "If it is not illegal, it should be?it only takes a few minutes for something to go horribly wrong.""
How many kids have ever died in a car in 'a few minutes?' This is incredibly rare to begin with (very few kids die in cars annually) and the ones I see are virtually all instances where a mom accidentally leaves baby in the back seat while at work instead of taking him to daycare. Most of the time these kinds of stories involve babies being left in cars for several hours.
""Obviously we need to look into a heavier law for leaving children in the car. I'm sorry but if they are under the age of 16 they shouldn't be left in a car, especially a baby.""
I think we shouldn't let anyone vote until they're 45 and you shouldn't legally be allowed to get married until you're 62 years old. These are just reasonable age restrictions in my opinion. I'm just spit balling here.
The most grating part of the comment is the "I'm sorry but". I'm sorry, but who the hell declared this woman empress? Is her majesty reluctant to impose her awesome power on the rest of us. Well, I suppose that makes her imperious attitude bearable.
Re: "incredibly rare to begin with"
Doesn't stop the progressives for pushing for "assault weapons" bans, in spite of the fact that crimes committed with so-called assault weapons are so rare that the FBI doesn't track the statistics (most shootings are with handguns).
if you leave your kid alone in a car for a few minutes you might get harassed by a busybody with a camera
I just don't understand why all of you hate poor innocent children so much.
I don't go anywhere without my little kid strapped firmly to my back, after wrapping her in several layers of Nerf.
I get stares at the gun range and cigar bar, but it's worth it to know that she's safe. I'm just that good a dad.
I can just see this happening at a strip club.
"Sir, you can't bring a toddler to a strip club."
"Well, I can't leave her in the car, either. And last time I was here you told me not to leave her on the sidewalk. So just what exactly do you suggest?"
The reason you get stares at the gun range when your kid is firmly strapped to your back is that you didn't shield the kid from all the hot brass ejecting over your shoulder!
A case study in Moral Superiority, and the Charitable Hearts of the Do-Gooders =
"Dorrie Lawrence Hoisington ? Spokane, Washington
When we were stationed at Fort Hood in the 70's I ran into the BX for minute...on my way in I saw two toddlers in a car, alone. It was a really hot Texas day. When I came back out...they were still alone and I waited for the parent. He showed up 20 minutes later. I had words with him about his actions. He was quite abusive with me until I told him my husband was a Major and I could hunt him down through the Division and make him pay for his abusive behaviour towards his children. My husband told me I was the asshole in that moment. I think he and that jerk that abused his babies were. My ex is dead. I hope the guy that left his kids in that car that day is dead too."
Wow. That had an interesting twist at the end.
You could kind of tell where the road-paving-project was leading when she launched into her power-trip of ""my husband was a Major and I could hunt him down through the Division and make him pay""
I wasn't expecting "My ex is dead.".
It made me smile.
This is true for cop wives, too. For those that start with , "My husband's a cop", it's best to threaten to go to the police chief with a complaint about how the wife of one of his/her officers is throwing his authority around to get her way, and then threaten to take it to the media.
Even if she thinks the chief will have her back, getting the media involved is becoming a better tool for backing police off, especially since more and more people are getting sensitive to their brutality.
You Know Who Else she hunted down through the Division and made them pay?
The General's Daughter?
Fucking officer wives man.
L'enfer, c'est les autres
Another reason I like drive through. If only there was a drive through liquor, porn and ammunition store I wouldn't have to endanger my children by leaving them in the car.
Only in Ameri...dammit.
Well, here in AZ you can get liquor and porn from a drive through.
I've seen liquor and ammo drive through's in Texas - I can only assume that a state as great as that also sell porn from those stores.
Liquor? Yes.
But not ammo.
[logs out to check AZ law, draft business plan]
Well, hurry up. Eventually you can add gambling and pot. If you could figure a way to include prostitution you would have a line stretching to surrounding states.
Drive through gambling?
Maybe drive-in gambling, with slot machines or video poker machines you can play through your windows, like ordering at Sonic.
[revises business plan]
Yes, drive in. I figure prostitution would also be drive in. I will get back to you if I get any more ideas.
http://www.theguardian.com/soc.....rostitutes
But getting the heel prints off the roof liner could be a bitch.
Drive through gambling?
Well, you can by lottery tickets at the self-serve gas pump in places, so there's that.
DUUDE, you seriously need to open one of these stores up at on every major freeway crossing from Calif. into Arizona.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/.....uns-drive/
Maybe the guns can only be bought in-store though.
Now we know why our Democracy works the way it does.
"Obviously we need to look into a heavier law for leaving children in the car. I'm sorry but if they are under the age of 16
I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Kids in Nebraska can drive to school at fourteen. If a kid sits in his car in the school parking lot, is he endangering himself?
http://www.dmv.org/ne-nebraska/teen-drivers.php
https://www.facebook.com/TheGeneralStoreSpokane/
Let him know how you feel...
It's because we have such a sophistical sophisticated understanding of the Greenhouse Effect.
" I'm sorry but if they are under the age of 16 they shouldn't be left in a car, especially a baby"
Um, so you can't leave the kid alone in the car until they are old enough to drive the car?
I'd rather leave a 14 year old without a driver's license in my car, than a 16 year old with a driver's license.
Ah, I see you were once 16 yourself.
I think my parents were happy that I didn't get my license until I was 18. I'd gotten most of the worst adolescent idiocy out of my system by then. And I had enough driving friends that they didn't have to drive me around much.
Wish she would have whipped out her nine mil, and double tapped the SOB.
"if they are under the age of 16 they shouldn't be left in a car"
YEAH! I mean sure I learned to roll down a window all by myself by the time I was 14 and a half.
But Mommy said I was special; so 16 is probably about right.
You wouldn't want your 13 year old to soil the seat because he's not potty trained; would you?
...
Why are you laughing? Oh yeah, like you were potty trained before you were 13.
That guy is a douche for being indignant about it but sorry, I just can't feel fine with kids being left in cars.
Then, by all means, don't leave your children in cars. I am not sorry that what I do is none of your business.
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