Election 2016

"Leave aside whether a direct comparison of Trump to Hitler is accurate…"

Washington Post column goes full Godwin on jackass billionaire.

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Earlier this week in The Washington Post, Harvard's Danielle Allen goes full Godwin on Donald Trump and blends it with concern trolling that's just off the charts.

In verbal contortions that would leave your basic India-Rubber Man constipated, she simultaneously invokes Hitler and undercuts the legitimacy of her own comparison. Later in the piece, after arguing that Trump is massively disliked by all of us, she then admits we are powerless to stop him.

It's up to the Republicans, the one group that actually seems to dig the jackass billionaire. But anyhoo: "Leave aside whether a direct comparison of Trump to Hitler is accurate. That is not my point."

Here's the start of "The moment of truth: We must stop Trump":

Like any number of us raised in the late 20th century, I have spent my life perplexed about exactly how Hitler could have come to power in Germany. Watching Donald Trump's rise, I now understand. Leave aside whether a direct comparison of Trump to Hitler is accurate. That is not my point. My point rather is about how a demagogic opportunist can exploit a divided country.

You know, it takes the typical Hogan's Heroes episode longer to invoke Der Fuhrer.

Let's be clear: the direct comparison of Trump to Hitler is not beside the point of the column. It is the point of the column.

There's nothing wrong with that, per se, but if you invoke Hitler, for God's sake, own it. Otherwise, why bother? Why not talk about Silvio Berlusconi, say, whose late-20th-century rise to political power via a bullying media presence seems like it might inform discussions of whether a signature-steak salesman and serial bullshit artist is going to be nominated for president by the Republicans more than the experiences of an art-school failure who got big before the TV era?

Allen compounds her patently insincere move (which is, in its way, very Trumpian, by planting a highly charged and negative controlling image in the reader from the start of a conversation) with concern trolling of the worst sort.

Republicans, you cannot count on the Democrats to stop Trump. I believe that Hillary Clinton will win the Democratic nomination, and I intend to vote for her, but it is also the case that she is a candidate with significant weaknesses, as your party knows quite well. The result of a head-to-head contest between Clinton and Trump would be unpredictable. Trump has to be blocked in your primary.

What? In the preceding paragraph, she had announced that "the vast majority of voting Americans think that Trump is unacceptable as a presidential candidate, but we are split by strong partisan ideologies and cannot coordinate a solution to stop him." Soo…it's up to you…Republicans? Leave aside questions of whether a majority of Americans are unfavorable toward Hillary Clinton (they are). Why shouldn't Allen and her Democratic friends do something about it? Switch parties and vote against him in the primaries? Again, because the message is the opposite of the words on the page. The point isn't to block Trump, it's to be able to blame Republicans (just 26 percent of the population, according to Gallup) if and when The Donald beats Hillary Clinton. Again, if Clinton is such a weak candidate that Trump, whom we all hate, could beat her, what does that say about the Democrats' contribution to the mess we're in?

I believe Allen and even kinda-mostly agree with her when she writes:

Donald Trump has no respect for the basic rights that are the foundation of constitutional democracy, nor for the requirements of decency necessary to sustain democratic citizenship. Nor can any democracy survive without an expectation that the people require reasonable arguments that bring the truth to light, and Trump has nothing but contempt for our intelligence.

RTFA.

At the same time, Trump has not in any way, shape, or form shown actual contempt for basic rights or the democratic process in a way that sets him apart from other candidates, certainly not other conservative Republican candidates for president (Cruz and Rubio, for instance, are as hostile to illegal immigrants). Similarly, Hillary Clinton has actually voted for, signed off on, voiced support for,or implemented foreign policy and domestic surveillance that is either as bad or worse as anything Trump has barked about. In terms of actually affecting policy that helps or hurts a real human being, the closest Trump has come so far is giving Omarosa a clear pathway to teach at…Harvard, of all places.

I say this not to pull some sort of nihilisitic "they're all the same" trip regarding the major-party candidates. Rather, I bring it up to underscore how idiotic much of our political discourse is, how cartoonish and self-evidently phony and overblown.

Part of Trump's appeal is precisely his grandiose exaggerations—about Mexican rapists and drug mules who are taking our jobs while living off our welfare, how he's gonna make America "great" again, etc. In this, again, Trump is hardly alone. Ben Carson, bless his heart, opened last night's debate with a quaint story about the country being in an "abyss of destruction" or something and virtually every Ted Cruz sentence packs more spiritual warfare than an hour-long sermon by Jonathan Edwards. Hillary Clinton is herself known for extreme conceptualizations, sometimes even talking about vast "conspiracies" that are holding her back from her rightful ascension to the throne of Heaven (most people would simply call the forces arrayed against her standard politics). Bernie Sanders invokes billionaires the way priests in Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man invoke the devil. Since before the Founding, American public figures have always talked in insane, millennialist, End-of-Days terms (there's a whole school of the thought that the jeremiad is the fundamental American idiom). Remember the Daisy ad, anyone?

But the idea that the only right way to combat all that is through an equally unreal and bombastic rhetoric is not simply wrong but ineffective. Bringing up Hitler and then saying that's not what you mean is a pretty bad ploy that only inflames the very people you ostensibly seek to persuade. Especially when the comparison is totally unsupportable, as it is here.

In a related way, I recommend Chris Lehmann's recent piece at The Baffler, where he looks at how the media is constantly rediscovering the lack of civility always and only at the moment when the media is on the receiving end. A snippet:

The prim demand that our media class merits a sort of preferential exemption from displays of mass political passion on the basis of the status they possess doesn't seem especially healthy for a democracy, either. For one thing, the whole notion that American political conflict is a decorous weighing of factual content against crudely deformed rhetoric—and the allied conviction that journalists are particularly skilled in this refined art—is a risible fiction. There's a long and distinguished tradition of rabble-rousing, character assassination, and fabulizing in American electioneering, stretching at least back to the founding of our first party system, and finding lush expression in everything from the slander-ridden Jeffersonian-Federalist dustups of the early 1800s to the scandal-mongering of our own brave new media millennium.

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  1. You know who else was Hitler?

    1. My ex-wife?

      1. My ex wife is Hitler, and so is her mother!

        1. Hitler has many shapes and forms.

    2. Irish, basically?

      1. That’s a given,step up your game.

        1. DON’T TELL ME WHAT TO DO. That’s a Hitler move, dude.

          1. You will soon feel my wrath.I am Shiva,the destroyer,I shatter worlds .Who is this dog meat that challenges me?

              1. Much worse. Remo Williams.

                1. He named himself after a bedpan…

                  1. that’s shitty.

    3. Lorenzo St. Dubois?

    4. Gillespie and Reason has now stooped to an all-time low of having to include Trump’s and Hitler’s names in the same headline in order to get lame Libertarians to click on their crap.

      Why don’t you try this Nick: Tell me which nominee you think should be president, sit back, relax and watch me make a fool out you.

      What, no balls? Oh, the readers and I figured that out long ago.

      How about if I come out with a headline that shouts “somebody” told me NICK GILLESPIE IS A PEDOPHILE. It’s absolutely true! “Somebody” told me that. It must be true!

      Surely you don’t call yourself a journalist? A hack … maybe.

      1. Is that what you got out of this article? What the fuck is wrong with you?

        1. Nick hurt his feelings. How is he supposed to react?

          1. He could start by downing a bottle of bleach, because obviously he has reached the end of his wits, and should no longer grace this world with his presence.

            1. All you dumb-fucks have is name-calling. If any of you ever grow a pair of balls, debate me.

              Say something negative about Mr Trump and sit back, relax, and watch me bury you in your own stupidity.

              I dare you!

              It’ll be fun.

              For me.

              1. His hair is kind of funny looking.

              2. Does EndtheGOP realize how laughable he is?

                All you dumb-fucks have is name-calling.

                Says the …. name-caller … in response to zero name-calling. (snicker)

                1. Hilm — You can’t really be this fucking stupid old man. I STARTED the debate in my first comment in response to the inane article.

                  TRY to debate me on my original comment you dumb fuck. You can’t do it.

                  Sure I’ll get down in the mud with the asshole name callers.

                  I’m a counter-puncher old man.

                  And I punch to destroy!

                  And I ALWAYS succeed!

                  (When you get finished doing your business in the bedpan, bring it on!)

      2. Sad Trump troll is sad.

      3. You are breathtakingly stupid.

        I almost said “retarded”, but that would be an unjust slight against the many fine people who, through no fault of their own, are afflicted with limited mental capacity and yet still get up every day and try to make something of their lives while you, with presumably no such hindrance, choose to lick windows and breath through your mouth.

        For shame, sir. For shame.

        1. Ceci — Debate me. You can’t. So you go straight to your name-calling.

          I win. You lose.

          No surprise there.

      4. EndTheGOP
        sit back, relax and watch me make a fool out you.

        Your own wacky foolishness is communicable? (gasp)

        1. Hilm — Don’t you ever get tired of me proving you wrong? Ha, ha.

          You’re an old man whose mind has expired.

          Debate me you fool. You haven;t got the mind to compete with me. Go back to sleep.

          1. Michael Hihn, is that you?

          2. Hilm — Don’t you ever get tired of me proving you wrong? Ha, ha.

            You just ran away again,

            Debate me you fool

            I just beat you again

            1. Hilm — What do you disagree with me on?

              Name it old man. You can’t, coward that you are?or is it that you’re just brain-dead?

              1. Hilm — What do you disagree with me on?

                Bullies cannot read either! I said you ran away from the issue, but …I’M the coward?

                coward that you are

                (laughing in ridicule)

                ?or is it that you’re just brain-dead?

                I enjoy ridiculing you trashmouth bullies.
                You ran from the issue again.
                Go kick some more kittens.

                Is he actually the Donald, a bellowing blowhard always claiming victory?

                You challenged Ceci n’est pas un woodchipper to a debate … AFTER he whupped your ass …. then beat your chest claiming victory (snicker) The evidence is here … no debate needed, just literacy.

                I’m just explaining to you what everyone else already sees …
                Now back to his bullying …

                1. Hilm — How EXACTLY did Ceci whip my ass?

                  You can’t tell us can you senile old man.

    5. Kathie Lee Gifford?

  2. …she then admits we are powerless to stop him.

    Now you know what those who wondered the mindless appeal of Barack Obama felt.

    1. Damn. Hadn’t thought of that but so true!

  3. Your article is insightful as usual but why use such misleading language yourself, saying Trump uses “grandiose exaggerations?about Mexican rapists and drug mules who are taking our jobs while living off our welfare”. Maybe you need to get off your high horse and visit the SW USA. These weren’t even exaggerations let alone grandiose ones. We’re being overrun by Mexican citizens who demand a lot but give very little save for unskilled labor more appropriate for young Americans.

    1. Pablo at 8000 what? Or is it ate 8000 and you’re writing ate slang like “I already et.”

      1. What a fucking second. Isn’t Pablo a messican name? Get em’ skeeter!

    2. We’re being overrun by Mexican citizens

      This is why we need more than a fence! We need razor wire and concrete pillboxes manned by Patriots.

      1. ‘This is why we need more than a fence! We need razor wire and concrete pillboxes manned by Patriots.’

        No. We just need little notices along the border saying ‘No Illegal Immigrants’. That totally works with guns…

    3. In truth,no,your not.The influx of ‘Mexicans’ has went down quite a bit and many of those people are fleeing a drug war funded and armed by the U.S. .I’m not a ‘open borders’ guy.What ever that means.I still do not wish ill on those willing to work and fleeing a disaster that was and is made by policies of the U.S. government.If you are so worried about the brown people coming here,support ending a drug war that has turned many of these countries into hell holes.

      1. Not only has it went down. It is goint down.

        1. It be down for a couple reasons:

          (1) Our economy blows.

          (2) Mexican demographics ain’t what they used to be.

    4. Except that “young Americans” seem to be completely unwilling to do the unskilled labor, at least for the wages the Mexicans accept. Try getting a kid (that is not your own) to shovel your driveway or mow your lawn up here in Ohio – it ain’t happening, at just about any price.

      1. True I’ pumped gas,cleaned out a car wash stalls,shoveled snow,mowed grass,painted houses and put in hay form the time I was 13..Little fuckers wouldn’t have lasted 2 hours.

        1. I de-tassled corn alongside migrant workers, mostly illegals. They got paid ‘separate’ by the seed company or some proxy, so I don’t know if I was working for their wage. The work sucked, but I’m in your camp, I’ve baled, de-tassled, picked by hand, worked the kill floor at a slaughterhouse for years…through high school, I worked as a groundskeeper in an old english cemetery where the raised mounds couldn’t be mowed with a tractor and had to be push-mowed, 36 hours was the maximum they’d let me work after school even in a farm state…later I enlisted Navy, got a degree in ee and now I’m affluent and I really have no time for fucking welfare. I really don’t. I have a lot of rage issues centered around it. I guess I’m just tired of being at once the villain in a story about how someone else got poor, and the main spigot for their bloodletting revenge. “It’s the work Americans don’t want to do!” is only the case when they’re not hungry enough. A day’s work in the sun sucks, but it isn’t frightening to people who need it, and it shouldn’t be frightening to us as a culture.

      2. Except that “young Americans” seem to be completely unwilling to do the unskilled labor, at least for the wages the Mexicans accept. Try getting a kid (that is not your own) to shovel your driveway or mow your lawn up here in Ohio – it ain’t happening, at just about any price.

        What are you talking about? Here in CT I have no trouble getting high school kids to do all these things cheap.

        Oh… Wait…

        *Stops, ponders*

        JanS. / Ohio / Rust Belt / Unions / No youth labor available.

        gG / CT / Wealthy / 1 percenters / Industrious, entrepreneurial youth.

        Hmmmmmm…

  4. The prevalence of Trump-Hitler comparisons by mainstream sources is a sign of pure psychological meltdown. Building a border wall, although stupid, isn’t what Hitler does. It’s what Hungary and Greece are doing. Keeping Muslims out of the country isn’t what Hitler did, it’s what Japan currently does. I’m not seeing Hitler comparisons for them. The only person in the world who could possibly have any comparison to Hitler is Ayatollah Khamenei, but he only talks a little like Hitler, he hasn’t actually committed any major atrocities.

    1. I know the Japanese policy on Muslims isn’t as severe as many say and they don’t actually ask if somebody’s Muslim before moving there, but the list of countries where they allow immigration from pretty loosely leaves out most Muslim-majority nations.

      1. the list of countries where they allow immigration from

        Help a brotha out with a link.

        1. The Japanese don’t do immigration as we think of it.Not big into the round eyes,or lesser asians.And their population is aging fast and will not support their elderly in the coming years.

          1. I am aware of how Japanese immigration policy isn’t as open as the United States; I am not aware of immigration being banned from any particular country under Japanese policy. Specifically as, proportionally, there seem to be a lot of Nigerians in Japan.

    1. Crusty would.

    2. Wow. Do they want pictures of how they do the “D”?

    3. Does that mean your body will make little Trumps if you go out in the sun?

  5. Donald Trump has no respect for the basic rights that are the foundation of constitutional democracy, nor for the requirements of decency necessary to sustain democratic citizenship. Nor can any democracy survive without an expectation that the people require reasonable arguments that bring the truth to light, and Trump has nothing but contempt for our intelligence.

    Much like Danielle Allen from Harvard! I read this the other day, googled her, saw her qualifications (which include a MacArthur Fellowship), and became instantly depressed that this person is my intellectual superior.

    1. As ever, these spittle-flecked screeds against Donald are equally valid with a little search-and-replace of the other candidate’s names.

      1. instantly depressed that this person is my intellectual superior.

        Also because you MAY missed the entire point of Ms. Allen, along with Nick and so many of the puppets here. She now sees HOW and WHY a Hitler came to power, by targeting the rage and fear of the populace, where Trump and Hitler exploit nearly identical hysteria — by fueling more hysteria,. Mexicans = Jews for that.

        Then, when Trump perverts the election, all the other candidates MUST appeal to the same hysteria or get out .. hence the psycho-level lies of Cruz, Carson and Fiorina — just as wacky as Trump himself.

    2. ‘…and became instantly depressed that this person is my intellectual superior.’
      She’s not, she just has better credentials than you.

  6. LIGHT THE YOKEL SIGNAL!

    1. I’m already here!

      *slaps signal out of X’s hand*

    2. The yokel lamp is lit?

      1. Smoke ’em if you got ’em!

        [Lights flamethrower.]

        1. That’s sounds dangerously close to a threat.

          *jots down name in notebook*

  7. I’m not going to go all “COSMOS!” here, but maybe, just maybe, instead of talking about which two major party candidates would be less terrible, Reason could use its position as one of the best known libertarian publications to — and I know this will sound crazy, but hear me out — advocate for third party libertarian candidate?

    1. Is there actually one?

    2. Ha,ha,ha,really? The best that an be hoped for is complete gridlock.I plan on drinking and watching it all burn.

      1. That reminds me: I’m running low on rum and tequila.

        [jots note to go to liquor store]

        1. See how helpful I can be.

    3. advocate for third party libertarian candidate?

      Too late. Much of Reason already sold out the movement by propagating the myth that the Paulista Cult of extreme social conservatives, statists and bigots is somehow libertarian. Or even funnier,are strict constitutionalists. One likely reason that Cato survey found the libertarian label rejected by 91% of libertarians.

  8. It’s called “dictator syndrome”.

    All US presidents “suffered” from it, to a greater or lesser degree, all current presidential candidates “suffer” from it, as do all of the millions of slaves to the system who vote for _any_ of them 🙂

    See: “You,Trump,Sanders Etc., Vs “Dictator Syndrome” “:
    http://onebornfree-mythbusters…..drome.html

    Regards, onebornfree.

    1. YARR, TRUMP KNEW TO AVOID THE TWIN TOWERS ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, AND THAT BE NO COINCIDENCE

      1. Trump is a secret Jew?

        1. In onebornfree’s world!

  9. Like any number of us raised in the late 20th century, I have spent my life perplexed about exactly how Hitler could have come to power in Germany.

    I mean, you could actually try to read something like Road to Serfdom which explains it in full. Either that, or you could just claim ignorance and then claim that all things you don’t like are just like Hitler’s rise to power…

    1. You know what other Austrian wrote a book?

      1. Arnold Schwarzenegger?

    2. then claim that all things you don’t like are just like Hitler’s rise to power.

      You missed her point, to insert your soundbite. Hitler came to power by exploiting rage and fear among the populace, exactly what Trump is doing now, while also pulling the entire GOP toward the same tactic.

      Understand the very words you quoted.

  10. The Baffler is still around?

  11. Like any number of us raised in the late 20th century, I have spent my life perplexed about exactly how Pol Pot could have come to power in Cambodia. Watching Hillary Clinton’s rise, I now understand. Leave aside whether a direct comparison of Clinton to Pol Pot is accurate. That is not my point.

    So you Democrats are too lazy to stop Hillary, but it’s Republicans’ responsibility to stop Trump? Go jump in a lake, you dingbat.

  12. The most significant difference between Hitler and Trump is that Hitler sincerely stood for something.

    1. Sincerity is overrated. Had Hitler been a hypocrite we’d have been a lot better off.

  13. N.G. : “I say this not to pull some sort of nihilisitic “they’re all the same” trip regarding the major-party candidates. ”

    Why the hell not, Mr Gillespie, for most surely , that is _exactly_ what they all are [“the same”] ?
    You must be delusional 🙂 .

    Dream On?:

    “……In your dream, Donald Trump is not a fraud,
    In your dream, Sanders is not a fraud,
    In your dream,all the rest are not frauds,
    In your dream, Obama is not a fraud,
    In your dream, Reagan was not a fraud,
    In your dream, all the rest were not frauds,

    In your dream, the constitution was not a scam,
    In your dream, the Supreme court is not a scam,
    In your dream, 9/11 was not a scam…….”

    Lyrics excerpted from:

    “Dreams [Anarchist Blues]”:

    http://onebornfree-mythbusters…..blues.html

    Regards, onebornfree.

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  15. My point rather is about how a demagogic opportunist can exploit a divided country.

    But enough about Barack Obama.

  16. Reason editors shows a distinct fondness for defending Trump lately. Here, Gillespie got the column all wrong.
    Of the parts quoted, she’s not comparing Trump to Hitler, as individuals. She’s comparing the rage and fear that brought Hitler to power, and which now fuels Trump. THAT is why she now understands how a Hitler could come to power.

    In politics, it’s also called “the man on the white horse” who comes galloping in to save us when we’re scared as hell. It’s almost always a tyrant, as shown by even cursory knowledge of human history. And it sure seems to explain Trump exactly.

    And I apologize for being Politically Correct.

    1. She’s comparing the rage and fear that brought Hitler to power, and which now fuels Trump.

      Anybody who thinks that early 21st century America is in any way like the Weimar Republic has to be a total idiot and utterly ignorant of history.

      1. Anybody who thinks that early 21st century America is in any way like the Weimar Republic

        Who would that be, Sluggo?

        a total idiot and utterly ignorant of history.

        Are you illiterate or mindless?
        Perhaps a Trump supporter?

  17. Ironically, the presidential candidate closest to Hitler in his political, economic, and social views is that favorite of progressives, Sanders.

    Or perhaps that’s not ironic but just obvious, given that Hitler came out of the progressive movement.

    1. You said that in public? Displaying your ignorance of right-wing fascism vs left-wing fascism?

      Hitler came out of the progressive movement.

      Oh. Another right-wing bigot, programmed with memorized soundbites. Very likely a supporter of Santorum, Trump and other right-wing fascists. Possibly a Birther.

      1. American Progressives and German Nazis had a kind of mutual admiration society in the early 1930’s. The Nazis felt embarrassed by the fact that America had made greater strides towards sterilizing the unfit than they had. “Three generations of imbeciles is enough” were the words of uber progressive Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes when the SCOTUS decided that Carrie Buck could be sterilized against her will. Progressives applauded the decision.

        1. So you’ve been brainwashed with the lie that eugenics was somehow Nazi? You forgot to include Margaret Sanger, as you people often do. Eugenics traces to 1883, was not popular here until the early 20th century.

          Eugenics was not just a “progressive” policy. It was widely adopted at the time, taught at major universities and many states had laws permitting forced sterilization. That’s what Buck v Bell was about, Virginia’s forced sterilization law, in 1927. The state law was upheld on an 8-1 vote, where the only dissenter was a Roman Catholic.

          Holmes’ statement looks barbaric today, but was the norm at the time. The forced sterilization was of a woman who was the third generation of “intellectually disabled,” which at the time “proved” that mental disability was hereditary. Thus, sterilizing these people was said to be protecting the human race, else more and more disabled as they had children in multiple generations. If you equate that in any way with Nazi sterilization, you’ve been totally flummoxed.

          Nazi sterilization was to “purify the Master Race,” thus entirely racial. And the extreme American Progressives were supportive of Stalin, not Hitler, for the obvious reason that so many Progressives were Jewish. At least you didn’t call them progs.

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    My grandmother and her family arrived in Nazi Germany as war refugees.

    They were placed in a concentration camp.

    I don’t see the similarities between Trump and Hitler. Hitler welcomed refugees into his country ~ as a source of free labor.

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