Election 2016

Sanders and Trump Are Too Establishment on Syria

If this is disestablishmentarianism American-style, we are in bad shape.

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Marco Rubio and Hillary Clinton both want the U.S. government to set up a "safe zone" in Syria to care for refugees from the raging civil war. You may assess their judgment by noting that then-Secretary of State Clinton and Sen. Rubio also pushed for bombing and regime change in Libya, which was crucial in spreading bin Ladenite mayhem far and wide, and that Rubio thinks knocking out the Sunni Islamic State would hurt Shi'ite Iran.

Ted Cruz does not call for a safe zone; he merely wants to bomb the Islamic State back to the stone age while arming the Kurds, whom the leadership of NATO member Turkey wants to destroy and the Sunni Arabs distrust. Cruz says the Kurds would be "our ground troops," yet he does not rule out American troops as a last resort.

Where do the reputed anti-establishment candidates stand on the safe zone? Alas, Donald Trump favors it, and Bernie Sanders is ambiguous.

If this is disestablishmentarianism American-style, we are in bad shape.

"What I like is build a safe zone in Syria," Trump said. "Build a big, beautiful safe zone, and you have whatever it is so people can live, and they'll be happier. You keep 'em in Syria. You build a tremendous safe zone. It'll cost you tremendously much less, much less, and they'll be there and the weather's the same."

Like Cruz, Trump says he'd send U.S. ground forces "if need be," but he also promises to "take the oil." How would he do that without an extended stay for grounds troops?

What about Sanders? He is reported as opposing Clinton's call for a safe zone, or a no-fly zone, but look at his precise wording from October: "I oppose, at this point, a unilateral American no-fly zone in Syria which could get us more deeply involved in that horrible civil war and lead to a never-ending U.S. entanglement in that region" (emphasis added).

I realize that candidates don't like to close doors because reopening them later can look awkward. Still, that makes me nervous.

Sanders approves of President Obama's bombing of the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, and favors "supporting those in Syria trying to overthrow the brutal dictatorship of Bashar Assad"—which in reality means supporting bin Ladenites or worse. He has also said the Saudi regime should be pressured to fight the Islamic State: "This war is a battle for the soul of Islam and it's going to have to be the Muslim countries who are stepping up. These are billionaire families all over that region. They've got to get their hands dirty. They've got to get their troops on the ground. They've got to win that war with our support."

A Saudi-led effort, however, would be awkward, considering that the Saudis and their Gulf state partners enabled the rise of radical jihadism as part of an effort to make trouble for Iran and its ally Assad, their Shi'ite rivals. And let's not forget that for a year the Saudis have practically been committing genocide, with Obama's help, in Yemen. What's with Sanders anyway?

"Why," asks blogger Sam Husseini, "should a U.S. progressive be calling for more intervention by the Saudi monarchy? Really, we want Saudi troops in Syria and Iraq and Libya and who knows where else? You'd think that perhaps someone like Sanders would say that we have to break our decades-long backing of the corrupt Saudi regime—but no, he wants to dramatically accelerate it. … If the position of the most prominent 'progressive' on the national stage is for more Saudi intervention, what does that do to public understanding of the Mideast and dialogue between people in the U.S. and in Muslim countries?"

At least Sanders and Trump understand that George W. Bush's Iraq war gave birth to the Islamic State, just as U.S. bombing and regime change in Libya and Obama and Clinton's declaration of open season on Assad led to its expansion. What Sanders and Trump do not understand is that even the relatively limited involvement they favor would have a dynamic that could well lead a U.S. president to deploy ground troops to the quagmire both men say they want to avoid.

This piece originally appeared at Richman's "Free Association" blog. 

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  2. “What I like is build a safe zone in Syria,” Trump said.

    Can he get the Syrians to pay for it?

    1. No, the mexicans pay for everything.
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  4. Is it just me or does this

    “What I like is build a safe zone in Syria,” Trump said. “Build a big, beautiful safe zone, and you have whatever it is so people can live, and they’ll be happier. You keep ’em in Syria. You build a tremendous safe zone. It’ll cost you tremendously much less, much less, and they’ll be there and the weather’s the same.”

    Seem reminiscent of this

    “I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don’t have maps and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future. For our children.”

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  6. He has also said the Saudi regime should be pressured to fight the Islamic State: “This war is a battle for the soul of Islam and it’s going to have to be the Muslim countries who are stepping up. These are billionaire families all over that region. They’ve got to get their hands dirty. They’ve got to get their troops on the ground. They’ve got to win that war with our support.”

    I don’t think he could’ve said anything more pro-intervention, pro-wealth, or pro-cronyism.

    At least when we fought proxy wars during the Cold War we were combating brutal and spreading Communist Regimes rather than just helping one or two Muslim factions decide that they’re the most Islam-y by annihilating the others.

    1. We were also supporting a lot of brutal regimes that were so awful and oppressive that it encouraged the people to join up with Communist forces.

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  10. Why is Richman so dismissive of the Kurds? They’re only group in that entire area that isn’t anti-America. And who gives a crap if Turkey doesn’t like them?

    1. Why is Richman so dismissive of the Kurds? They’re only group in that entire area that isn’t anti-America.

      I couldn’t tell if that was intended as a rhetorical question. Should have been.

    2. They’re only group in that entire area that isn’t anti-America.

      For Rothbots like Sheldon, that’s a bug, not a feature.

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