Gender

North America Has the Smallest Unpaid-Labor Gap Between Men and Women Worldwide

Melinda Gates calls on teens to close the unpaid-work gap globally via entrepreneurship and technological innovation.

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GatesLetter.com

In Melinda Gates' section of the annual letter from her and Bill's eponymous foundation, she calls on today's teenagers and young people to close the global gender gap in unpaid labor. When it comes to cleaning, cooking, childcare, and other caregiving tasks, women's work far outpaces men's around the world.

"This holds true in every single country," Gates notes. "Globally, women spend an average of 4.5 hours a day on unpaid work. Men spend less than half that much time. But the fact is that the burden of unpaid work falls heaviest on women in poor countries, where the hours are longer and the gap between women and men is wider. In India, to take one example, women spend about 6 hours, and men spend less than 1 hour." 

The positive news, from an American perspective, is that men and women in North America face the lowest level of unpaid-labor disparity globally:

GatesNotes.com

Housework inequity may be an odd topic choice for a global philanthropic maven (I admit, I was skeptical going in), but Gates' preferred solutions largely lie in capitalism, private philanthropy, and technological progress—a refreshingly forward-looking and empowering message in what seems like a sea of blame-casting and calls for government meddling on subjects like these. "I'm writing this because I'm optimistic," insists Gates. "Though no country has gotten the balance perfect yet, many have narrowed the unpaid labor gap by several hours a day. America and Europe have come a long way." 

While Gates does delve into cultural norm changes, her cheerleading seems more firmly for time-saving technology and entrepreneurship that brings better, cheaper choices and devices to the world's poor. "Rich countries have done a great job of (reducing) the time it takes to do most household tasks," Gates writes.

Americans don't fetch water because faucets fetch it for us, instantly. We don't spend all day on a load of laundry because the washing machine does it in a half-hour. Cooking goes much faster when you start with a gas stove instead of an ax and a tree.

[…] The solution is innovation, and you can help. Some of you will become engineers, entrepreneurs, scientists, and software developers. I invite you to take on the challenge of serving the poor with cheap, clean energy, better roads, and running water. Or maybe you can invent ingenious labor-saving technologies. Can you imagine a machine that washes clothes using no electricity and very little water? Perhaps you can improve on the mortar and pestle, the 40,000-year-old technology I see women using to grind grain into food every time I travel in sub-Saharan Africa or South Asia.

Gates' reasons for caring about the issue are also rooted in raising people out of poverty through entrepreneurship. "It's not just about fairness," she writes.

Assigning most unpaid work to women harms everyone: men, women, boys, and girls. The reason? Economists call it opportunity cost: the other things women could be doing if they didn't spend so much time on mundane tasks. What amazing goals would you accomplish with an extra hour every day? Or, in the case of girls in many poor countries, an extra five or more? There are lots of ways to answer this question, but it's obvious that many women would spend more time doing paid work, starting businesses, or otherwise contributing to the economic well-being of societies around the world. The fact that they can't holds their families and communities back.  

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  1. Melinda Gates….. What does she do for a living?

    1. She stays married to a billionaire. I hear it’s a good gig.

      1. Not if you care about unattractive computer geeks putting their dick in you. But for a billion, I’d do it.

        1. A billion to care or a billion for the dicking?

    2. tell it, brother. I love lectures on social justice from people who married into money. And people who, presumably, hire others to their unpaid work for them.

      1. “hire others to their unpaid work for them.”

        See??? Now it’s paid work. Jesus walking on water!

        1. just making the point at the likelihood that the things she bitches about are things she does not actually do, and she’s not sharp enough to realize that the lifestyle Bill affords her creates value for those she can hire to do the day to day chores.

          My lord, even when these folks are in a position to do something positive, they have to find that gray cloud. It has to be exhausting.

          1. My lord, even when these folks are in a position to do something positive, they have to find that gray cloud. It has to be exhausting.

            Bill and Melinda’s personal wealth is only rivaled by the amount of projected guilt that emanates from their mouths.

            1. Projectile guilt, like projectile vomit?

        2. Did they account for all the unpaid labor men do lifting up and putting down the toilet seat, taking out the trash, killing spiders, and changing light bulbs?

          1. That was a really big spider, too.

            1. Had to be, if it was holding the toilet seat up.

          2. And how about all the incoherent, emotional bullshit they’re forced to listen to? That must be an easy 4.5 hours per day. Also, does she expect women to go out and take on dangerous jobs in fields dominated by men in most countries? Heavy construction, military, etc.

    3. Melinda earned dual degrees in computer “science” and economics. Maybe if she studied something hard that required some math and logic, she wouldn’t be such an airy-fairy proggie unicorn merchant.

      1. Yes, but what does she DO?

        I also have a degree in economics, and I’ve never been confused about any of this. It’s senior year of high school level shit.

        1. Doesn’t she run a non-profit? Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. I think that counts as work.

      2. “Computer Science… Maybe if she studied something hard that required some math and logic”

        You some kinda daftie, son?? All CompSci entails is pretty much math classes, logic classes, and computer programming classes. And the stupid “general education” requirement crap that is thrown in to every course to justify hiring professors in unimportant fields, of course. But it’s pretty much all math and logic apart from the standard college bullshit.

        1. I think he was being sarcastic…

        2. Simmer down sonny…

    4. “Melinda Gates….. What does she do for a living?” Unpaid work, going by her nonsensical concept.

    5. Melinda Gates….. What does she do for a living?

      She closes her eyes and thinks of Blingland.

  2. Melinda Gates can show up and take over my chores. And STFU.

    1. She could bake us a nice turkey pot pie. I wonder if Bill’s trained her right yet?

      1. I doubt she has a lot of practice, so I’ll let you do the tasting.

      2. And that’s what bitches need to be doing! Baking the menfolk a pie!

    2. I really don’t think she’d do a very good job. Which end of the broom do you sweep with?

      1. The end that doesn’t smell like Bill.

  3. I fully plan on doing my part by buying my wifey yet another iGadget soon. She already has the iCook, iIron, iSweep, and iDust. Not really sure what else a girl needs, but I keep trying.

    1. Bill Gates does not approve of the “i” pre-fix.

  4. If the husband is working and the wife stays home, the husband has fewer hours available for “unpaid work”. It is also untrue that “unpaid work” does not help the nation: every hour I spend painting my house or helping my kids with homework creates value. Outside, paid work is not the only thing of value.

    1. Good point, to be fair they need to account for and report discrepancies in paid work, but that might hurt the narrative, so fuck it.

    2. In my house, my wife is a stay at home mom by her choice. My civilian and National Guard job keep me on the road about half the month—a little more than half usually. I’m sure the SJW’s would go into convulsions thinking of the house work inequality happening. And yes, I do help around the house.

    3. To be fair the kind of unpaid work I tend to do and the kind of unpaid work my wife tends to do are not at all of the same nature. She tends to do light work, decorating, driving errands, while my work tends to be dirty, heavy, and more physically strenuous. I’d trade for the lighter work and slightly longer hours any day.

      When you talk plumbing, lifting, repairing, remodeling, and other such work women always say they ‘can do it!’, but they tend not to do it. I’m not saying that as a gender warrior, just as someone with far more callouses than my wife or any women in my life.

      1. But you must understand, feminism is about indigent ce and entitlement.

  5. The positive news, from an American perspective, is that men and women in North America face the lowest level of unpaid-labor disparity globally…

    POSITIVE NEWS FOR THE APPARENT FAVORED GENDER OF THIS AUTHOR.

    1. First world problem

    2. the rise of the Beta male. My wife worked for a time in an acupuncture clinic. Lot of frazzled, working women; lot of stay at home husbands with the requisite beard and lone child.

      1. Yeah, I bet all those working women are being cuckqueaned while they’re at work.

        1. wait a minute. Wouldn’t they have to be watching it or something? Them at work sounds like plain ole fooling around.

      2. My father was the stay at home parent and he was about as “alpha” as it gets, so excuse me if I am personally annoyed by comments like that. Let me just ask, do you think that there is something wrong with that situation? That could very well be the most economically sensible situation for a lot of couples and I don’t see any reason to assume that the men in such situation are in any sense “beta males”.

        1. No, there is nothing wrong that situation at all. When my kids were little, our work schedules had me with them for long stretches and I loved it. Wouldn’t trade those days for anything.

          I am talking more about a new archetype of male, whether working or stay at home or even working from home, that is becoming impossible to not notice. Pajama Boy is all grown up and sometimes, he gets married and has kids. Ain’t no Alphas in that group.

        2. As a certified alpha male with a Masters Degree in Whoopass from the school of hard knocks, I’d give my left nut for a bread-winning woman. Unfortuanately, all the ones I know are taken.

  6. This is just moronic. I’d be willing to bet women also do less paid labor on average. How much work you do around the house is a personal choice and no one’s business. You don’t like it? Don’t pair yourself with a lazy bum. Nor does the lost value argument make sense. It apparently assumes that the work in question doesn’t need to be done so they are just wasting their time? Or boys and girls will be helped if the work is spread more evenly?

    At least she isn’t advocating government handouts for housewives…yet.

    1. At least she isn’t advocating government handouts for housewives

      This is a setup for that. Feminists have been arguing that housewives shouild get paid.

      1. Shouldn’t they be punished for being housewives? I base that on Hillary Clinto’s derisive remark about not staying home and baking cookies. Although in her case it’s only faggot cookies.

    2. No she is saying all that work can be done in less time, not that it’s not valuable. If I spend 5 hours washing clothes when I can spend one hour because I have a washing machine, then I have 4 more hours that I can use for whatever I want, some of which might be on creating more value in a paid labor situation.

      1. And some of it might free your ass up to get thee in the kitchen an’ cook me up a varmint. I’m all about efficiency.

      2. Agreed, but that’s true of any productivity gain. It frees up resources for things of higher value. So I don’t get why the Gates are focused on unpaid work. It’s only unpaid because someone chooses to do it themselves. It doesn’t mean it’s the first priority in finding productivity gains. If I could either find a way to cut one hour a week out of the time it takes my wife to clean the house or take one hour a week out of the time it takes me to generate a sale so that my weekly pay rises by $20,000, am I supposed to do the former just because it’s unpaid work? And the same logic can be extended to the overall economy. We should work on productivity gains where there’s the most bang for the buck.

  7. “Globally, women spend an average of 4.5 hours a day on unpaid work.”

    BTW, I’m calling bullshit.
    There are cultures where ‘walking to the market’, or ‘tending 12 kids’ might end up at 4.5 hours per day, but not as a global average.
    If Mrs. Sevo did every damn chore around the house (and she certainly doesn’t), it might go to 2hr/day, or maybe 3 if she was working on a particular dinner.

      1. And SMILES! Lots of SMILES!

        1. You must have a young marriage. Eventually you’ll be paying her in apologies and lost hopes and dreams.

          1. How resentful of you.

    1. ‘tending 12 kids’
      Sevo: Are you a long-lost brother? If not, stop making fun of my mom.

      In order to stay with the meme of the helpless woman: It wasn’t her choice to have 11 and raise 12 children, it was my father’s fault obviously.

  8. I am severely over paid. For some light cleaning, laundry, cooking, and a little nooky, I get near unfettered access to my husband’s paycheck and a fuck-ton of time to pursue my hobbies.

    1. Is one of your hobbies production of newsletters? Because subscribing etc.

    2. Sooooo, you consider nooky a service rendered for payment?

      1. And, would you consider indulging in a little nooky with a Wookie?

        Some of my best friends are lonely Wookies, so I’m just askin’, ya know…

      2. Of course, there’s no such thing as free sex. The man always pays one way or another whether he’s aware of it or not.

    3. Apparently, you’re worth it.

  9. I suppose free meals and a place to sleep indoors isn’t the same as pay?

  10. Does this count work in the sack?

    1. Never pay them before, Hugh.

    2. If it does, I’m going to rub one out before bedtime. I’m not giving my wife the easy one.

    3. And do you have to pay for the whole hour?

      1. It works like lawyer billing, only rounded to the nearest minute.

        1. That’s how I can go with just five bucks in my pocket and still have busfare home when I’m done.

          1. You realize there’s a 1 minute minimum charge, right?

    4. Hm, I’ve never had sex in a sack before. Doesn’t the burlap get all itchy?

      1. Hell, that’s nuthin’! Try a literal “roll in the hay” and see how THAT feels!

        (Alfalfa hay is bad, stubble-hay, second-crop-of-clover-and-grass, with wheat stubble in it, is even worse. And don’t even THINK of “doing it” in hay contaminated with ANY amount of poison ivy, or sumac, etc.).

        1. …and dont think of doing it in a hay loft in the summer. It’s like a sauna and the hay chaff sticks to, um…, everything.

          1. That’s what standing doggy is for.

  11. I’m waiting for the idiot to call for the right to taxpayer-funded Roomba’s for every woman.

  12. Think about how much we could fix if we all had an extra hour to think about how tough we have it.

  13. I don’t think entrepreneurship helps install enough sewer lines in India so that half the population doesn’t have to poop on the ground every day.

    1. In a lot of places in India, they don’t poop on the ground. They poop in a plastic bag, tie it closed, wind it up, and throw it as far as they can in a random direction.

      1. I hear this is how hacky sack got started.

        1. Shit kickers!

      2. That is WAY kinky! Wish I had thought of it! Kinda like playing “tag” with bags of shit!

        Did the Indians get a PATENT on that, or am I free to do that at home, royalty-free?

  14. Two separate issues here, and neither of them have much to do with “women’s rights”.

    The first is economic. In developing countries, there just aren’t enough financial opportunities to make it worthwhile for female heads of household to work as much as men outside of the home. Do I feel bad for women in islamic countries who aren’t allowed to work? Sure. That isn’t going to change unless they move here. So move here.

    The second issue is a matter of personal choice. I work more unpaid hours than my wife by a factor of 5 at least. I’m the primary caregiver for the kids. Could I hire somebody else to do it? Sure, I can more than afford it. But I don’t personally believe in paying other people to raise my children. I just won’t fucking do it. It’s a personal choice. It’s neither good nor bad in the aggregate.

    1. Yeah, Gates mentions opportunity costs but doesn’t seem to understand the opportunity cost of what she’s talking about. Both parents working means someone else has to watch the children.

      If that’s your choice that’s fine. If you choose to have a parent stay home and raise the kids themselves, that’s also fine. Both have costs associated with them, so it makes no sense to behave as if one of those options is better.

    2. Shouldn’t you be called Playa Cuckhattan?

      1. They’re MY kids.

        *cracks beer*

        1. Except for the one that looks like O.J.

          1. No, you see Playa managed to fool his wife into thinking the kids are hers.

    3. “The first is economic. In developing countries, there just aren’t enough financial opportunities to make it worthwhile for female heads of household to work as much as men outside of the home”

      Yeah, I just read the last paragraph after scanning it earlier.
      Nice touch, tossing in ‘opportunity costs’, but if they existed, you think some ambitious families wouldn’t be grabbing them?
      Sorry Ms. Gates; the staff member who wrote that didn’t think it through; s/he should instead have grasped the concept of ‘revealed preferences’.

      1. Yep.

        FWIW, I hire somebody to clean once a week. That’s my revealed preference.

    4. I don’t know. I have to believe that it is a lot better for kids (if their parents have their shit together at all) to be with a parent than some paid caregiver. Maybe it doesn’t matter so much. I know plenty of people who had two working parents and went to daycare who turned out fine. But my gut tells me that it’s just better if a parent can be the primary care giver, especially in early childhood.

      1. That’s the personal decision I came to. It works for me and my family.

        I live in an area where affluenza is a real thing. I want no part of it.

        1. Like, Playa, I don’t know what you’re, like, even talking about. California is just so amazing, and anyone who grows up here is, like, by extension- AMAZING! Like, the only reason some people don’t like us is that they’re just jealous haters. And they also, like, lack a spiritual connection to something more. Like, not a religious one- I mean, seriously, it’s like, get your dogma out of my karma dude- but like something that connects you to everything…

          Be honest, Playa: Meeting Los Doyers was a factor in you realizing that your kids needed a strong male presence, correct?

          (I’m just giving you shit, Los Doyers)

    5. Playa, yeah it’s bothering the theorists that women who are more than able to afford a nanny instead choose to “leak out of the pipe” and take care of their children themselves. They’re puzzled why high-earning women show the same pattern as low-earning women. Susan Pinker addressed that in The Gender Paradox.

    6. Playa, yeah it’s bothering the theorists that women who are more than able to afford a nanny instead choose to “leak out of the pipe” and take care of their children themselves. They’re puzzled why high-earning women show the same pattern as low-earning women. Susan Pinker addressed that in The Gender Paradox.

    7. I’d pay other people to raise your children!

  15. “Assigning most unpaid work to women harms everyone: men, women, boys, and girls. The reason? Economists call it opportunity cost: the other things women could be doing if they didn’t spend so much time on mundane tasks. ”

    Okay – but this shit still has to get done. Someone still has to clean. Someone still has to watch the kids. Someone still has to make dinner…

    If someone in the household isn’t doing it, you’re just going to pay someone else to do it. The only question then is whether the ‘mundane tasks’ are done by a person who lives in a house or by someone you pay to do the work.

    There’s therefore no ‘opportunity cost’ benefit here from women no longer doing this unpaid since someone is going to have to do it anyway. I’d actually argue a large portion of the obesity problem is caused by people eating out instead of having healthier home cooked meals because a lot of the time there’s no one with the time to cook.

    That’s one cost of no one in a house doing unpaid work – you outsource the food production to the good folk at McDonalds and you end up having a shittier diet.

    1. “Someone still has to clean.”

      That’s just like, your opinion, man.

      I don’t give a fuck if the shower isn’t squeegeed.

      1. come on, man; someone has to clean the toilet every now and again, and sweep the hair off the floor.

        1. Wait until you’re fully awake and alert before using the toilet and you won’t have to clean it.

          1. keep that in mind when you’re pushing 60 and it’s 3 am. Though I recall someone else here talking about sitting down when barely conscious.

          2. I thought you had like seven male children – that floor must be a mess.

            1. Just 3. If they piss on the floor, they clean it up.

              No nanny could teach them that.

  16. Male-Female Occupational Death Gap Is 13 to 1

    http://mjperry.blogspot.com/20…..ap-is.html

    1. Opportunity costs of death.

  17. If the husband is working and the wife is staying home then I would consider food, clothing and shelter as pay and a pretty good deal at that. Who wouldn’t want to work at home?

    If they are both working the same hours but not the same number of paid hours then the surplus unpaid work is just making up the difference.

    Look, the left has another issue manufactured out of thin air.

    1. I was thinking the same thing. I earn 3X more than my wife in paid work. However, she gives excellent blow jobs so I consider us even.

        1. I think so too.

  18. So, keeping from slipping into an animal-like existence has been rebranded as “unpaid work”?

  19. I’d ask my girlfriend how she feels about this, but she’s in the kitchen making me a sandwich.

    1. Extra tofu and soybean mayonnaise?

    2. get a new girlfriend – one who can make a proper samich.

  20. What exactly is the issue with “unpaid”? They are both the producer and the consumer of value (if married, well, husbands definitely pay. In so many ways.). The payment is that the thing gets done. If I fix my car instead of taking it to the shop, the “payment” is whatever I’m not paying someone else. If I’m watching kids, I’m saving the cost of daycare. Sure, it may be economically inefficient, but that’s the person’s choice, not a social problem that needs to be solved for them.

    1. It comes down to people idiotically deciding that unless someone else is giving you money there’s no value in doing something. They get the situation backwards in that value is what is produced and money is just a way for someone to remunerate you for producing something FOR THEM.

      Money is therefore what you get for providing someone else value. But you can also provide yourself value or your family value by building something or keeping the living space clean or whatever.

      All work is good work. It’s just a matter of how you gain value from that work.

      1. Yes. I would think that the Gates are starter than this and I don’t get why the they are focused on unpaid work. We should find ways to become more productive where there’s the most bang for the buck. Paid vs. unpaid is irrelevant.

    2. Yeah, not getting wages isn’t exactly unpaid.

      I’d also like to see metrics by country on alimony payments to women minus alimony payments to men. If there’s anything worse than women doing “unpaid” work, it’s men paying women for not working at all.

    3. Why do I get the feeling that “unpaid” is a problem because that means a government has no ready ability to tax the value of that labor?

    4. They’re trying to manufacture a narrative here. They use the word “unpaid” because it stirs up bad images in peoples’ minds. They want to conjure visions of women chained to the stove and being cracked with a whip when really, the situation is that some households are so wealthy that the woman can stay home all day. And if the woman can stay home all day, it makes sense that she should take care of the basic household duties and childcare. Like some have said already, it’s a pretty sweet deal if you get all of your expenses taken care of in exchange for doing housework, shuttling the kids around, and putting out in bed on a somewhat regular basis. But the lefties are apparently trying to paint that situation as some kind of grave humanitarian crisis.

      1. It’s only a problem being ‘unpaid’ as long as someone other than a white male is doing it.

  21. Being a bossy philanthropist, is that unpaid labor?

    I’m going to keep this up until Nicole shows up to stop me.

    1. Actually, I think it is very well paid.

      1. That’s why there are so many of them.

  22. I didn’t read too thoroughly, so excuse me if I’m going off half cocked. But do these numbers account for whether the women doing more unpaid work than men are also doing paid work? If one partner is the primary money maker in a household, shouldn’t the other do more of the unpaid domestic work?

    I’m all for more sexual equality (as long as women are uniquely equipped to gestate, there just won’t be complete gender parity, sorry) where there are still major disparities and it shouldn’t be assumed that the woman in a relationship will be the one to do all the housework or whatever. But at the same time, isn’t this sort of an insult to the value of the work done by the people (yes, usually women) who do the unpaid but very necessary work of keeping a house, raising children, etc? Especially with children, there is a tremendous amount of value in having a parent who can stay with the children. It doesn’t have to be the woman (in my case, my father was the “house spouse” when my brother and I were little) and maybe that is the problem they want to address.

    1. I thought that she was talking about women in third world countries who spend hours on unpaid work because of technological backwardness. Hauling water from a river a couple miles away in a jar on your head could take a lot of time and effort that could be better spent elsewhere. It doesn’t imply that the jar of water isn’t necessary. It’s just that it could be done with a lot less time and effort.

      1. If they want to help people get good modern infrastructure to eliminate nasty work like that, that’s great. But they include North America as well as if it’s necessarily a problem here as well. If they are trying to help out women who have to haul water and wash clothes with rocks, that seems like a worthy charitable cause.

      2. But this focus on unpaid work is foolish. It might be that a lot more could be gained by other productivity improvements. For example, the husband of the woman carrying water on her head might be an engineer using a slide rule because there are no calculators or computers in this hypothetical country. So maybe this country should focus on that instead of water distribution improvements. The point is we need to look at whatever productivity gains create the most value. Who cares if that’s in paid or unpaid endeavors?

    2. It is at parity in America. Bill Gates is an idiot.
      http://www.pewsocialtrends.org…..2013-1-06/

  23. I wonder if Mrs. Gates would put on boots and shovel gravel in the driveway with her husband the way my 5ft – 98lb wife does? Does Bill kiss her ass and cook gourmet food for his wife the way I do mine?

    Maybe they should just STFU.

    1. She tells the personal chef what to make him.

      See? No unpaid labor! Equality!!!

      1. I should get one of those.

  24. I have a small garden growing in the closet that I take care of occasionally by burning off some of the more mature parts – is that work or a hobby?

  25. Clearly we need a new division of unpaid labor enforcement department with cameras installed in every room in every house to monitor the work done. What percentage of Americans would think this is a good idea? I’m guessing 15 to 20%.

  26. What’s the oral sex labor gap look like?

    1. I’ve been working for years to close it. For any females out there.

    2. Your five minutes are up, sir.

  27. To be blunt, if you call spending time with and teaching your children “work” you are an asshole. Maybe don’t have children then? On the other hand, an avg of 4.5 hrs a day! I’m getting ripped off. Mrs yet another is far more efficient than that. I’m going to have to time her, but I’ll need to be discrete with the stopwatch. In terms of calories shovelling a double driveway is usually equal to 20 loads of laundry so there’s that. Also as I keep telling her she does get paid for all that mundane charwoman drudge labour… it is called sex with Dave.

    1. Something being enjoyable or worth doing without pay doesn’t make it not-work.

      1. It doesn’t make it “work” either. The Romans had a more clear distinction: otium, what one does in his private life, versus negotium, what one does in his public life. Otium could range from idle rest and relaxation to (relatively) physically strenuous hobbies, like gardening or sports.

        1. I’m not sure where a stay at home parent fits into that, though.

        2. Nice detour. It raises the problem of whether that distinction is “sexist”. Note “the private is political”.

  28. I used to commute almost two hours per day. Is that unpaid work?

  29. What amazing goals would you accomplish with an extra hour every day?

    Apparently not much if no one were paying me for that hour.

  30. Just what are they including in “unpaid work”?

    This stinks of the usual bullshit ideological statistic. What, any time spent with children is ” work”?

  31. Just what are they including in “unpaid work”?

    This stinks of the usual bullshit ideological statistic. What, any time spent with children is ” work”?

    1. From what I’ve seen (such as the UN research on “unpaid labor”), unpaid work basically excludes domestic tasks men typically do. I would be surprised if the study from the article (which I admit i barely read) included things like mowing the lawn, cleaning the gutters, changing the oil in the cars as ‘unpaid work’).

      Also, it’s worth noting that male domestic labor tends to be both more difficult/skilled (mechanical stuff vs. cleaning and washing dishes) and more dangerous, so it only makes sense that males spend fewer hours working as compensation.

      Consider the fact that the vast majority of childhood limb amputations are for boys, mainly because boys have the ‘privilege’ of getting the more dangerous chore of mowing the lawn than the girls who get the safer task of folding clothes.

      So yeah, it’s a bullshit statistic.

  32. How in hell is the definition of “unpaid work” useful? What’s the net monetary transfer from men to women in ongoing partnerships? How about when it comes to inheritance? Do these women do unpaid work for themselves, or for their men? Have the two indentical preferences (standards of cleanliness, orderliness, decoration, child safety, etc.)?

    What about sex, are women properly compensated for that? Men want sex more often (men’s sex deficit), so is the pay calculated fairly (principle of least interest), or do women fail to perform as the contract obligates them? (The same for women’s romance deficit.) Oh, that raises a relevant question: what exactly is the contract between (these) men and women? It’s spectacularly stupid to claim injustice without knowing anything about the “relationship contract”, nor about comparable worth.

    1. Men who make considerably less money than their partners are much more liable to cheat, so there’s that.

  33. Relationships work best when you constantly compare how much unpaid work is done by each person and begrudge every extra minute of work you’ve done.

    1. Well, that, and establishing a pricing table for sex.

  34. The positive news, from an American perspective, is that men and women in North America face the lowest level of unpaid-labor disparity globally:

    For that chart, ENB, do they consider this along with *paid* labor?

    Because what’s important (for a given level of importance) is the disparity in *total labor hours* between men and women, not between ‘paid’ and ‘unpaid’ (otherwise known as housework).

    If a guy averages 10 hours a day in the office (‘paid’) and 4 ‘unpaid’ compared to his wife averaging 3 hours ‘paid’ and 8 ‘unpaid’, it looks like she’s getting a raw deal when you only consider ‘unpaid’ work when in reality she’s laboring 3 hours less total.

    ‘unpaid’ labor isn’t actually unpaid. Its the shit you do to manage the household. Cleaning, taking care of kids, grocery shopping, cooking, etc. Its actually paid for. By the person working outside the home bringing in a paycheck – probably a larger paycheck than they could have if they had to do all that for themselves.

    A household is an economic unit and the members of that economic unit specialize in tasks to increase their total efficiency.

    1. Oh, and the idea that anything that isn’t measured by GDP doesn’t add value show an enormous amount of ignorance on the part of these people.

      That the value added by ‘unpaid’ work isn’t measured is just a *flaw* in our measuring methods. Same as the simplification of government spending adds value equal to that spending or the fact that we don’t measure the value added by the iPhone 6 over the iPhone 5.

      1. Oh – an hour of work is a shitty metric anyway.

        I one person’s earning $200 an hour is it really better for the household if they work a few hours less ‘paid’ in order to even up the ‘unpaid’ hours? Or is it better for them to do what they do best?

      2. That’s one of my biggest pet peeves with GDP – that if government spends $x then $x of value was created. Who in their right mind believes that, on average?

      3. Oh, and the idea that anything that isn’t measured by GDP doesn’t add value

        It doesn’t “add value” to the coffers of the state, since it can’t be taxed. That’s what matters to progressives.

    2. See Gary S. Becker.

  35. And once again evidence of differences in people’s lives is automatically assumed to be evidence of some injustice. I would personally be delighted to spend as many extra hours as possible caring for my niece. I enjoy cooking, and frequently spend hours in the kitchen. Do these things make me oppressed? No they make me happy. How hard is it to believe some women might choose to do some of this stuff?

    I realize that since I am a WMCGS it is definitionally impossible to oppress me, but what if I was less undervictimed? Would my making the same life choices suddenly make me oppressed?

    1. Yeah, that’s a flaw in Gates’s use of “opportunity costs”. The economy – utility and allocation – includes “free time” and the pseudo-thing called “unpaid work”. If companies don’t pay women to drop their “unpaid work” and come work for them instead, then this means that it’s not worth paying the price, that overall utility is better served with the way things are. Women’s work is subject to allocation, demand and compensation. Gates would have to show the existence of specific market failures, and that her intervention doesn’t cause worse ones. (And even then “unpaid work” is a ridiculous idea, here.)

  36. I’d like to see Melinda Gates call on Hillary Clinton to end her support for the war on women who smoke weed.

  37. Reminds me, why not add the other going theory, that of women’s “unpaid emotional work”?

  38. As a male professional with a pretty good paycheck, I can tell you I dont get much enjoyment or fulfillment out of my job – just the ability to pay bills. I get the good stuff at home doing the “menial” work – preparing meals for my kids, doing homework with them, helping them clean, putting them to bed, helping my wife out with what she is doing or running errands for the family, usually with at least one kid in tow. I also enjoy the little side projects and “fix-it” jobs that come along with home-ownership. Not sure why everyone wants to go to work all the time. I’d like fewer paid work hours and more home work hours. If it werent for the damn student loans I’d probably quit.

    1. “If it werent for the damn student loans I’d probably quit.”

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      1. and your job so win win right?

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  40. And how do we close this “gap” in unpaid labor? Pay women more to do household chores? Force men to work less so they can do more chores?

    Seriously, what is this BS? If I drive my mom to church every Wednesday, am I engaging in unpaid labor?

    1. Your mom prepaid for it with her labor. So we should tax it since its barter.

      1. “it’s” and who do I have to bribe to get an edit button?

    2. Mother has a contract with her boyfriend and gets paid for housework. And she would never allow mixed bank accounts or property ownership. It’s like when we were children, her rule was that every plaything was the property of a single one of the siblings. As such, each of us had absolute rights to use his things as he saw fit, to share them or not share them, or place any price we wanted on sharing them. Guess what never fucking happened amongst me and my siblings as children–there was never, ever any fighting over playthings. Property was absolute, and there was no arguing with it. I see just about everyone else though, they got their kids fighting over this or that, because, precisely, they constantly blur the lines and even violate the property of one sibling in favour of another in order to arbitrarily maintain fairness. So the kids grow up with an expectation or value of fairness, which is to say, grow up to be assholes, their native sense of justice strangled to death by it. Fairness and justice can not co?xist. Even small children in my family know this.

  41. Idoits. Mexico is part of North America. So is Belize for that matter. This weird usage of “North America” as a euphemism for “USA & Canad?” is popular with USA academics, I’ve noticed, and it’s annoying. Especially since in most cases Canad? doesn’t contribute that much to whatever question is being analysed. Geography isn’t determined by what language the colonists are speaking. Maybe national borders are mutable that way, but the fucking continents are what they are, defined by topographical features. (I am going with the three subcontinents version of America, being North, South, and Central America; a nationalist pedant would probably insist on the two continent system, which lumps even more of la Hispanidad into North America.)

    Also, USA has a name. It’s its own fucking country. I remember a lot of textbooks at university where the authors seemed to avoid using it like it was going to jump out and bite their face off, and I noted MANY cases where “North America” was used exclusively to refer to USA, unbunched with Canad?. What’s their fucking problem? I remember back in grammar school we had to memorise the fucking Declaration of Independence and large passages of the Constitution, and the entire document was read and studied. But now at university, even the name of the motherfucking USA is unmentionable? Fuck these haybags. And fuck China also.

    1. Also, USA has a name. It’s its own fucking country.

      Formal name: Federal Republic of Germany. Country: Germany.

      Formal name: French Republic. Country: France.

      Formal name: Russian Federation. Country: Russia.

      Formal name: United States of America. Country: America.

      See, that was easy.

  42. Men don’t breast feed or give birth. That skews the stats. Unpaid labor?

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    1. Yeah, but how much time does she spend doing housework or giving blowjobs?

      Oh, wait. She’s getting paid *for* the blowjobs. I get it.

  44. Women control most of the spending in married households, so women are “paid” more than men in most households.

    No, what really bothers progressives is the fact that activities inside the home are untaxed.They won’t be happy until they can get levy an income tax on the “unpaid labor” of scratching your own ass or picking your nose.

  45. Why would anyone publish unpaid hour differences without also posting the paid hour differences? We’re supposed to maintain perfect equity in unpaid work while accepting that men work more? Absurd.

    1. They are at parity in the US.
      http://www.pewsocialtrends.org…..2013-1-06/

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  47. Lets see if I’m correct in my interpretation. they are only disscusing the unpaid work here. lets look at the worst case shown. In many countries the man goes out and works 8 or more hours a day then comes home and does one hour of unpaid work while the woman stayed home did no paid work 0 hours and then did 6 hours of unpaid work. so in total the woman did 6 hours of labour while the man did 9 hours. I don’t see where the problem is for the woman. Note though in many poor countries both the man and woman work form sunrise to sunset for a subsistant living.

    or did I gloss over where they didn’t discuss paid hours of work for each sex?

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  49. I’m surprised the commentariat is so antagonistic to the idea presented in the article; casting a lot of shade at Mrs. Gates simply because she is rich is what I gather. Maybe it’s patronizing but I don’t really see how a single mom working three jobs is able to conduct global philanthropy? I would think only the rich have the means to pursue such a course if they deem it worthy.

    Is it that Libertarians are against philanthropic organizations, appeals, and endeavors in general? Or is this issue just viewed as BS? Spending time with the kids being called “unpaid work” is bull? The data on male “unpaid work” is skewed and misrepresented?

    1. Not against philanthropy, as such. The problem lies in how this framed, and on what it includes: “unpaid” versus “paid”, “gender gap”.

      (Copied) ‘How in hell is the definition of “unpaid work” useful? What’s the net monetary transfer from men to women in ongoing partnerships? How about when it comes to inheritance? Do these women do unpaid work for themselves, or for their men? Have the two indentical preferences (standards of cleanliness, orderliness, decoration, child safety, etc.)?

      What about sex, are women properly compensated for that? Men want sex more often (men’s sex deficit), so is the pay calculated fairly (principle of least interest), or do women fail to perform as the contract obligates them? (The same for women’s romance deficit.) Oh, that raises a relevant question: what exactly is the contract between (these) men and women? It’s spectacularly stupid to claim injustice without knowing anything about the “relationship contract”, nor about comparable worth.’

      1. ‘Yeah, that’s a flaw in Gates’s use of “opportunity costs”. The economy – utility and allocation – includes “free time” and the pseudo-thing called “unpaid work”. If companies don’t pay women to drop their “unpaid work” and come work for them instead, then this means that it’s not worth paying the price, that overall utility is better served with the way things are. Women’s work is subject to allocation, demand and compensation. Gates would have to show the existence of specific market failures, and that her intervention doesn’t cause worse ones. (And even then “unpaid work” is a ridiculous idea, here.)’

      2. What about sex, are women properly compensated for that?

        As I was saying, women actually control most of the spending in our economy (see, for example, here, there are many more studies). So, yes, women are far better compensated than men, including for sex, and in addition, they have more freedom to control how, when, and where they work.

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    Unless you’re a woman working in Hollywood.
    Then the gap between male and female directors, actors and actresses are quite large.
    But that’s different.
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