Oregon Refuge Occupation Ends, Cleveland Apologizes to Tamir Rice's Family, Congress Approves Internet Tax Ban: P.M. Links

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  The last of the occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon surrendered peacefully to authorities this morning.

• The mayor of Cleveland apologized to the family of Tamir Rice, the teen killed by a police officer in a public park, for the $500 bill sent to them for Rice's "emergency services." City officials say the claim has been withdrawn.
• The Congressional Black Caucus is endorsing Hillary Clinton for president over Bernie Sanders.
• The Clinton Foundation received a subpoena from investigators with the State Department for documents about projects by the foundation that might have required federal approval while Hillary Clinton was still secretary.
• Congress voted Thursday to permanently bar state and local governments from taxing Internet access. President Barack Obama is expected to sign the bill into law.
• "Whole Foods May Put Tattoo Parlors Inside New Millennial-Focused Stores." Will the inks be locally sourced?

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[Fist of Etiquette]

The Congressional Black Caucus is endorsing Hillary Clinton for president over Bernie Sanders.

Poor Dr. Ben.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Hello.

[But Enough About Me]

The disadvantage of being on the Left Coast. Always the last to the party.

[gaoxiaen]

I'm in Asia. I have to be up before 5:30 AM for PM links.

[Jimbo]

I have to get up 2 hours before I go to bed.

[W. Chipper Dove]

Luxury.... /Yorkshireman

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Superb Delegates.

[Medical Physics Guy]

The establishment everyone is lining up for Hillary.

I noticed that, on my FB feed, the only folks loudly cheering for Hillary are white-collar, establishment and gay. It's an interesting dynamic. After all this is really the first generation where openly gay couples could really be welcomed into the establishment, and no doubt some prefer to leave the radical roots behind.

[some guy]

It'll be really interesting to see what happens to Bernie's supporters when he loses the nomination. So many of them seem to hate Hillary as much as the average Republican. It would take a mind-boggling amount of mental gymnastics for them to justify supporting her in the general election. Will they just stay home? Will this actually fracture the Dems big tent?

Or will Hillary make Bernie her running mate?

[cgr2727]

It would take a mind-boggling amount of mental gymnastics for them to justify supporting her in the general election

You assume their mental capacity for said gymnastics. I surmise their capacity for anything but screeching is quite low.

I've also thought that Hillary has to be somewhere on the ticket eventually, it's just a matter of whether she gets top billing.

[TheZeitgeist]

I've also thought that Hillary has to be somewhere on the ticket eventually, it's just a matter of whether she gets top billing.

A sociopath getting so close but so far from the brass ring? I'd watch my back as Prez with a veep like that.

[Knarf Yenrab!]

Whether or not he had anything to do with JFK's murder, LBJ changed the whole make-your-bitter-rival-your-VP thing for good. Hillary works politically as SoS, but you'd never have a good night's sleep with her a heartbeat away--your heartbeat, to be exact--from what she presumably understands to be absolute authority.

Her collapse is coming quicker than I might have guessed, though. She'll still take the nomination due solely to the superdelegate issue and the Clintons' decades-long quid pro quo relationship with movers and shakers among the Democratic establishment, but damn if people aren't quick to despise her. If you can't even win your own party over after a decades-long track record, what chance do you have with the electorate?

[mad.casual]

Will this actually fracture the Dems big tent?

Will? Has. And this has been *completely* undersold on my left-wing newsfeeds.

Team Red is 'falling apart' because its various candidates can't decide which of it's various shades of Red most represents the one true red of the team. While Team Blue consists of essentially two candidates, one of whom is an unelectable felon and the other doesn't even identify as a team player and only sits with the team because the other side refuses to take him.

[Jerryskids]

I've already said the last of the white Southern Democrats are looking at Hillbernie and going "That Trump guy, he's a New Yorker ain't he? That's liberal enough for me."

[Knarf Yenrab!]

What does it say that, of the four big candidates, Trump looks like the safest bet?

[Agammamon]

Hillary will never make Bernie her running mate - its a rare presidential candidate that will select a running mate that has any possibility of outshining them in any arena. Mostly they're non-entities who's only use is to 'balance the ticket' (ie, pick up some votes from marginal constituencies).

GWB is a rare one in the modern day for picking Cheney - a well established establishment figure with his fingers in many, many pies - mostly they're people like Gore, Quayle, Biden, Palin. They look good standing in the back and then occasionally do really stupid things to make us all grateful that *they're* not president yet.

[Just say Nikki]

Why would they have wanted to get state married if it wasn't about leaving radicalism behind to join the bourgeoisie?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

So they could sit bedside with a sick partner in a hospital?

[GILMORE?]

"no doubt some prefer to leave the radical roots behind."

They're already being spit upon by many in the radical-feminist camp who seem to think that Gays are required to do as they're told, owing the great debt to progressives that they do.

I've seen this thing where 'gay white males' are basically dismissed as part of the cispatriarchy.

[gaoxiaen]

They get their butt sex, then it's "Fuck you!" to the pot and Mexicans.

[neoteny]

After all, she's the wife of the first black president.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The last of the occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon surrendered peacefully to authorities this morning.

Our season of domestic terror is over. FOR NOW.

[GILMORE?]

Its only just begun

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Is Karen looking a little thin there?

[Pope Jimbo]

Get that girl a chicken sandwich!

/Mama Cass

[Yusef Adama]

Ham, it was Ham what kilt er

[Homple]

Nope. It was an ordinary heart attack if I remember correctly. The sandwich thing was a rumor, one among many.

Snopes will tell you.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The Clinton Foundation received a subpoena from investigators...

I don't think there's enough money in subpoenas for the Foundation to bother.

[GILMORE?]

"Throw it on the pile over there"

[jesse.in.mb]

My one piece of advice to Ammon Bundy is to keep the beard. He totally makes it work.

This.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Oh you!

[jesse.in.mb]

Look at Ryan and Ammon Bundy together. They look very similar, but Ammon is good looking and Ryan looks like he's been punched in the face...Ryan looks that way because he's beardless.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

You're right. But to be fair... ammon (I'm assuming you've got the names correctly attributed because I don't much follow the news cycle) is making a face so he loses 10 points.

[jesse.in.mb]

Ryan is the one who looks like he's had a stroke or something. Ammon has the beard.

[lap83]

I heard he was hit by a car when he was 7

[jesse.in.mb]

Huh. When the story was first going on I tried to figure out what was going on there, but wasn't able to find anything. I'm just gonna believe you because it's a plausible explanation and I haven't heard anything else.

[lap83]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....lysis.html

[jesse.in.mb]

lap with the citation! Thanks, you've answered a question I'd assumed would remain unanswerable/

[Agammamon]

You are a retroactively horrible person for that statement now that we know this.

[jesse.in.mb]

I'm a little hurt you didn't think I was a horrible person before this...

[BiMonSciFiCon]

The mayor of Cleveland apologized to the family of Tamir Rice, the teen killed by a police officer in a public park, for the $500 bill sent to them for Rice's "emergency services." City officials say the claim has been withdrawn.

"Dang. We got caught."

[Eternal Blue Sky]

Seems to be the case. The mayor said the bill SHOULD have been sent to the Rices' insurance company. So, you know, the city was still going to charge for it, they were just going to do it in a way that wouldn't be noticed.

[Atanarjuat]

Frickin' mean Republicans.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

"At least we didn't send a sanitation bill."

[some guy]

Nah. Anybody savvy enough to make it to a position of power in a city would know that this move could only lead to bad publicity. I'll bet this was just an example of the bureaucracy churning along. I doubt anyone in power even knew it was happening until they read about it in the news. The clerk or whoever that actually filed the claim probably doesn't even remember who Tamir Rice was.

[Rich]

The clerk or whoever that actually filed the claim probably doesn't even remember who Tamir Rice was.

"They all sound alike."

[some guy]

"Just another violent young black man who should have been less violent."

[Fist of Etiquette]

Congress voted Thursday to permanently bar state and local governments from taxing Internet access.

And national government, too, right?

[deepspeed]

Treason!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Can't spell reason without it. No, wait...

[Just say Nikki]

Ta-Nehisi Coates has more in common with William Faulkner than he might like:

Coates never articulates these questions, but they aren't far from the surface. He recalls going to a playground with his son. He and his wife had recently moved to Brooklyn. Samori, just a small child, rushed to play with the other kids: black, brown, yellow, and every other hue in the racial mixture of New York. Coates is honest enough to report his misgivings. He wanted to pull his son back to protect him. Against what? Danger, perhaps, but also?and Coates can't quite say this out loud?absorption into a multicultural world where being black isn't so special anymore.

To some extent, that world is already here. Nearly 15 percent of the people residing in the United States were not born here. Add the relative youth and fertility of immigrants, as well as rising rates of intermarriage, and we get an emerging social reality as threatening to the black heritage cherished by Ta-Nehisi Coates as to the culture dear to the Daughters of the Confederacy: One out of ?every four children born today has one parent not born in America.

[kbolino]

One out of ?every four children born today has one parent not born in America.

I assume there's a missing "at least" in there, but anyway hasn't this been true for most of the country's history, save maybe during the baby boom?

[Pope Jimbo]

I've got three mongrels at my house. That should offset 9 of your little white supremacists. Numbers don't lie!

[TheZeitgeist]

There was this picture of Grace Kelly on earlier H&R post today...and now I am for white supremacy if it means more.

[wareagle]

how this jackass is lauded as someone worth listening to is mind-boggling. When his parents' or grandparents' generation hears someone like him bitching, do they laugh or cry? With each passing year, MLK's vision of character over color drifts further into history's dustbin of forgotten ideals.

[kbolino]

With each passing year, MLK's vision of character over color drifts further into history's dustbin of forgotten ideals.

I would say this country has come far closer to MLK's vision than damn near any other, and moreover that his ideal is mostly accepted without much controversy among the people who don't work in cloistered academic departments or write for Stormfront.

[wareagle]

that totally explains the rise in the volume of and coverage afforded to the various parts of the church of the aggrieved and offended. Black lives is new, white privilege is new, rape culture is new. Maybe it's the academic component that loves navel-gazing over things like Coates' ramblings, but the grievance machine does not seem to be diminishing.

[kbolino]

You give way too much weight to what people who like to hear themselves talk claim to think.

[wareagle]

hard to avoid when it's in your face all the time.

[Jerryskids]

Or newspapers. For years, Cynthia Tucker was the editor of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and she really only ever wrote one column. She'd start the first paragraph by mentioning something that was in the news and then launch into a diatribe about how this proved that the United States under George Bush was the worst nation on Earth for racism in all of human history. And she meant it, too - she seriously believed race relations in the US were worse in 2005 than 1905 or 1805.

The day after the election in 2008 her column started out with how she was in tears because she never dreamed she would see the day that the United States would elect a black man President. Oh, sure, she knew the day would come sooner or later, maybe in her grandchildren's lifetimes, but certainly not in her lifetime. And yet, here it was and she couldn't be happier, knowing that the evil of racism might now begin to be addressed - the evil racism that pervades every aspect of American life that all the white people are blind to and makes this country the worst place on earth for black people and, and..... fuck. We just elected a black man President and you're claiming that in no way diminishes your argument that we're the most racistest nation on earth for forever and ever, amen?

[Juice]

how this jackass is lauded as someone worth listening to is mind-boggling.

While I respect Ta-Nehisi Coates for his desire to pass on his family's legacy to his son, I have contempt for the white elites who have heaped praise on Between the World and Me. They are what Langston Hughes called the "overearnest uplifters," reassured by the familiar script of black rage. The machinery of "inclusion" gets into gear. The awards, grants, generous speaking fees, and other perquisites allow our white-dominated liberal establishment to coopt anyone who threatens its carefully managed monopoly on multicultural moralism.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

*sniff* Where my country gone?

[Stretchy]

If Ta-Nehisi Coates were named Herb Graham, would anyone have heard of him?

[Just say Nikki]

Part of the argument is that if he were so named, he might not even have the opinions he has.

[DEATFBIRSECIA]

You mean the Honorable Herb Graham, for whom the Herb Graham Recreation Centre is named?

[TheZeitgeist]

Ta-Nehisi's name is about American as it gets: Bongo name first, owner name last? Muey authentico!

[Juice]

I remember going to high school with a bunch of black kids born in the early 70s like me. They all had African first names and English last names, mostly Williams.

[Tak Kak]

You're lucky to have practically anything in common with Faulkner.

[Illocust]

Wow, the section after what you quoted is absolutely brutal. PUA's could host courses on the brilliance of that Neg.

I do hope the author is right, though. It would be nice if immigration did away with the black victim class identity, and caused those communities to be absorbed into the mainstream at last.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

PUA's could host courses on the brilliance of that Neg.

Racist!

[some guy]

Those communities are so insular though. Gentrification is probably the best thing that will ever happen to communities suffering from trans-generational poverty, and yet they fight it tooth and nail.

[Illocust]

They are insular to whites and Asians. Hispanics don't care (and have gangs of their own to combat the more violent aspects of ghetto living).

[Medical Physics Guy]

It would be nice if immigration did away with the black victim class identity

I see intermarriage as being the key thing. Once nearly everyone is part-something and part-something else, this is all revealed as a shakedown.

[some guy]

Then we'll all get reparations from our selves? Isn't that just taxes?

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

The rebate check?

[WoodchipperPatriarch]

Who is this immigrant who's getting laid all the time?

[Pope Jimbo]

Long Duc Dong?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

One out of ?every four children born today has one parent not born in America.

*raises hand*

absorption into a multicultural world where being black isn't so special anymore.

Worst thing that can happen to the Identity Politics Industry. Next thing you know, we'll have whites "identifying" as black.

[Just say Nikki]

*raises hand*

You and me both. And it sure does give the cultural narrative a lot less hold than on a lot of people who seem more inside it.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I just spell things weird and pronounce "jaguar" the British way. My mother never fully assimilated and considered herself to be "roughing it in the Colonies" the entire time she lived here. She got her citizenship in the late 90s to avoid IRS punishment on estate issues-- it was heelmarks all the way. I'm pretty sure she mumbled "God Save the Queen" under her breath after saying the pledge of allegience-- probably saying the words in the tonal/melodic pattern of Rule Britannia. She also treated viewings of Upstairs Downstairs like receiving precious drops of cool, life-giving refreshment in the cultural desert that was New Mexico.

But on a serious note, it was interesting growing up in a household that had a very different cultural narrative, and my friends thought my mom talked funny.

Oh, and she'd correct your grammar.

[Pan Zagloba]

Damn, I wish England still produced a steady supply of awesome ladies like that!

[Just say Nikki]

My dad still isn't a citizen?and most of his family really was roughing it in the colonies, and returned to the UK in the 70s. Otherwise, this all sounds very familiar.

[DEATFBIRSECIA]

Quick: how many syllables in the word "issue?"

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Two... and the s's are pronounced as ESS, not SH.

[Agammamon]

. . . and pronounce "jaguar" the British way.

'Land Rover'?

[GILMORE?]

Tata?

[Homple]

...for now.

[gaoxiaen]

That's "tater".

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Prince of Darkness.

[But Enough About Me]

"Cosworth"

[DenverJ]

If she corrected my grammar, my grandfather would be mad.

[wareagle]

We did have such a white, no? Rachel Dolezal (sp?) And my parents were both born outside the States.

[cgr2727]

My German nephews have been very clear about wanting to move to America when they're done with school. I can't wait to see some proggy's head explode when these two blonde-haired/blue-eyed guys check the box for "immigrant."

[Pope Jimbo]

Our old neighbors were Swiss. Working for a local multinational. Both were strapping blond kids.

Our school district put them down as minorities because they were immigrants who didn't speak English at home.

The mom was totally perplexed

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

In one passage, Coates reminds his son of their visits to Civil War battlefields. He fumes as the tour guides speak only about military tactics and not slavery.

Why would you expect to hear about slavery at a battlefield? This fuckin' guy.

[creech]

Guides are too busy answering questions like "Why were so many battles fought in national parks?"

[Tejicano]

Silly, it's because there weren't so many buildings in the way and the easy access to the freeway!

[Rich]

There is no indication that the watchdog is looking at Clinton.

"Look at me, look at my owner."

[Illocust]

"Whole Foods May Put Tattoo Parlors Inside New Millennial-Focused Stores." Will the inks be locally sourced?

Now their employees never have to leave!

[grrizzly]

I've never seen a single person who looked better with a tattoo. Millennials are like the worst generation.

[Rich]

How about this woman?

[waffles]

Like nachos, if they all are connected is it technically one tattoo?

[Anomalous]

WOULD NOT

[Chipper Morning Wood]

would poop on

[bacon-magic]

Is that Betty White?

[Juice]

kinda looks like her, doesn't it?

[Illocust]

Some back tattoos on already beautiful women can enhance that beauty, but no, I'd be happier if temporary tattoos became more popular. The things do not age well.

Tattoos are also good for people who have been disfigured. Much like with leg braces or wheelchairs, if people are going to notice and stare anyways, it's much more comfortable to decorate it with something to do with your personality.

[jesse.in.mb]

Tattoos are also good for people who have been disfigured. Much like with leg braces or wheelchairs, if people are going to notice and stare anyways, it's much more comfortable to decorate it with something to do with your personality.

I do have a soft spot for Alex Minsky even if I think his ink is a bit much.

[Rich]

DON'T LAUGH

Now, that is class.

[tarran]

Can you imagine how much money a person would make with a e-tattoo?!?

Basically, you get an implant in your skin, and then you can either delete the tattoo, or alter it at whim. Best of permanent and temproary tatoos. The best part is if you could get it to stay sharp forever instead of blurring as the cells immersed in the dye divide and subdivide.

[gaoxiaen]

That would be nice. My panhead engine is starting to look like a valentine.

[Tejicano]

I read about a Vietnam vet who lost an arm above the elbow - went out and got a tattoo with a dotted line at the point where the arm was cut off and the words "discard when no longer required".

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

When a woman is young, beautiful, has an elegant, lithe figure, a tattoo can add to the visual allure.

It is a look that generally loses its appeal with age, however.

[Whatever Farm Animal Of War]

You know, the tattoo hate is the most off-putting thing about this place. It makes comments look old and white and republican in the worst way.

I have never met a commenter who looked smarter after making a disparaging remark about tattoos. It just makes them look old and frightened.

[Just say Nikki]

Hehe. This.

[Riven]

Or young and stupid.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

You know, the tattoo hate is the most off-putting thing about this place. It makes comments look old and white and republican in the worst way.

I've lost track of the number of old, white Republicans I know that have tattoos.

[Whatever Farm Animal Of War]

I've lost track of the number of old white Republicans I know that have tattoos.

Your inability to remember your drunken hookups is not germane to this conversation.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I remember every single one of my drunken hookups.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

All two of them.

[grrizzly]

A TMI observation. Back in the days I had sex with more guys than I could count. Not a single one of them had even a tiny tattoo anywhere. I guess that will make me a (gay) Republican.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

"Not a single one of them had even a tiny tattoo anywhere."

So you took care of that by putting a map of Hawaii on their backs?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I also think you've entirely missed my personal point, which is my personal take on tattoos that has nothing to do with the old arguments that you (might be) trying to put into my mouth, in that a tattoo says something "negative" about a person's character. That would be the old, white "republican" argument.

That's gone, long... long gone, because I know more people with tats than without.

But like all things that become 'trends', it's been overdone. If saying something feels "overdone" makes me... old, white and "republican", I'm good with it.

[BigT]

I'm a unique individual. I'm going to get a tattoo, just like everyone else.

[Tejicano]

When I was in the Marines I decided to not get a tattoo - like everybody else was - just to be the different one. Haven't done it yet but I figured that if I was going to write something on my body I would do it with a brand.

[Juice]

It doesn't say anything about a person's character (they're taste, maybe). It's just ugly.

[lap83]

That's silly, tattoos are just a fashion accessory that happen to be permanent. They aren't any deeper than that. Does hating ugg boots make you old and republican?

[lap83]

To me the dated opinion is the implication that they signify some enduring rebellious spirit of youth. Give me a break.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Hating ugg boots make you have good taste.

[BigT]

Tattoos are art. And about as good as the art you see at street fairs. Not a lot of da Vinci's walking around.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Tattoos are art. And about as good as the art you see at street fairs.

Fashion is art.

[JD the elder]

Yeah, no shit. For some reason, any mention of tattoos apparently forces people to open their mouths and start offering their opinions.

Hey folks, you know what the difference between people with tattoos and people without is?
People with ink don't feel compelled to tell everyone without how ugly they are.

[Krabappel]

Meh my partner has one but I'm indifferent to it.

I don't think I could ever be decisive enough to get a tattoo myself or be willing to spend the money on it.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

It would require me to 1: get on board, 2: think of something so profound I really want to have it painted on my body forever.

At this point, "Mother Never Loved Me" probably has a good a chance as anything.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWha9CKESSU

[Crusty Juggler]

I will hate on ugly tattoos as much as I can, thank you. Feel free to call me out on it, so I can make fun of tattoos.

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

You know, the tattoo hate is the most off-putting thing about this place. It makes comments look old and white and republican in the worst way.

Eh... generally I have more of an issue with the types of people that get tattoos than the tattoos themselves. Nothing says "I don't have much personality and I'm trying to compensate" quite like a shitty tramp stamp or sleeve tat.

I've seen some nice looking tats. I've seen some that were done for good reasons. However, by and large it's boring people trying to fit in with "the cool kids" and middle-aged women who think it's "cute."

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

By the way, i'm #justNeedlingYou... I really don't care about tats all that much.

[Tejicano]

Why is it that younger people seem to think that anybody older who doesn't agree with them simply hasn't had the same/similar experiences as they have. As if the world today is so radically different and "old people" were just dropped here by aliens or something.

My issue with tattoos isn't the ink but the insignificance. I just saw a guy with a smiley face on his middle finger. Yeah, I get it ? he can flip somebody off and pretend he's just showing off his ink, or something. I saw a guy with a hammer and sickle inked on his forearm. Just WTF is that supposed to be? In the infantry platoons I have been in the kinds of guys who would get tattoos of these kinds of off-the-wall images were always functionally illiterate hillbillies so pardon the-F- out-of-me if that's the way they look to me.

[Banjos]

Human bodies in general lose their appeal with age.

[Riven]

Thank you.

I hate it when people get all down on tattoos because "they won't look good in x years!" ... ... I hate to break it to you, but no one is going to look fabulous when they're old. No one. Not you, not me, no one.

[Suthenboy]

I beg to differ.

I am old and married. Young girls (early 20's) still hit on me.

[DenverJ]

Hah! I'm getting better looking everyday. Other than the lose of some hair, I'm in better shape, have the money to dress better, and am starting to look distinguished unsteady of baby faced.

[DenverJ]

Jesus autospell! Loss not lose and instead not unsteady

[Tejicano]

Give up early if you want. I have stayed fit and will as long as I draw breath.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Absolutely they do. So I have a personal rule to not make it worse.

[SIV]

They all look like tatted-up hooers. What really ages badly though is belly button piercings.

[Juice]

Those never look good. They always look trashy. Always.

[Homple]

Yeah, those sleeve jobs look real good when the bingo wings sprout.

[Juice]

When a woman is young, beautiful, has an elegant, lithe figure, a tattoo can add to the visual allure.

Nope.

[Whatever Farm Animal Of War]

My Wife does.

You jerk.

[But Enough About Me]

I've never seen a single person who looked better with a tattoo.

I have, but she was buck naked and had a bangin' bod. Seriously. {insert Homer-Simpsonesque drooling sounds here}

[Juice]

And she would look much better without the tattoos.

[jesse.in.mb]

Is your WF staffed by Maori? Hippie hair and plug ear piercings is my mental image of their staff.

[Illocust]

Oh those are really common too, but tattoos seem to be the one common denominator.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Everyone has a tattoo now. It lost it's 'edgy cool' years ago. Not having one, I have to cover up when I go out or the other kids will point and laugh and I might not do well in job interviews.

[Illocust]

Having one and having one that is visible while in work or formal attire are still two completely different categories. If you have a visible tattoo you can kiss white collar work goodbye in all but a few specific cases.

[tarran]

Our office is definitely white collar, and most of the hires are young women on their first or second job out of college. ~75% have tattoos. Most are discreet. One poor girl has a huge one which looks like a sunburst with fleur de lis borders on her forearm which she covers with long sleeves. She's actually super model gorgeous, but the tattoo is a bit of a disaster.

I think in ten years, tattooo removal will be quite a remunerative line of work.

[Just say Nikki]

Yeah, tattoos are much less of a problem for white-collar jobs than they once were, especially some industries.

[wareagle]

that's true. My wife is going through apply mill right now and damn if at least one job wasn't specific about "no visible tattoos" in the description.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

If you have a visible tattoo you can kiss white collar work goodbye in all but a few specific cases.

Bzzzt. Wrong. Maybe there are places in the country where that still holds, but if you're on one of the coasts, you're gonna have trouble hiring someone without a visible tattoo.

I was staring at a butterfly tattoo on the ass of one of the women in Finance just this morning.

[The Last American Hero]

Dipping your pen in the company ink again?

[Riven]

I have a tattoo on my hand... and I work in the extremely conservative finance industry. So. There's that.

[Lee G]

I have a tattoo on my hand... and I work in the extremely conservative finance industry. So. There's that.

Let me guess

[Riven]

Haaaahahah! I'd consider it! That would be great.

[Suthenboy]

"Everyone has a tattoo now."

I dont.

[Juice]

Everyone has a tattoo now. It lost it's 'edgy cool' years ago. in the 90s.

[jesse.in.mb]

I dunno that I've noticed an unusual rate of tattoos there. Some of my friends and family are pretty heavily tattooed so I probably don't even notice it at this point.

[Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)]

That would be awesome! I would actually shop at one if I could be "greeted" with a haka when I walked in.

/Maori-phile

[Agammamon]

CUTLRUAL APPROPRIATOR!!!!!!!

[Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)]

Curses! I've been caught...

Of course, there are no Maori on Craggy Island.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I also don't get this. Tattoos are far wider than just a 'millennial' thing. Almost every woman I know my age has a tattoo... somewhere. My ex wife was an early adopter and got one back in the 90s.

[Banjos]

I have 5 tattoos and before becoming a stay-at-home mother had a professional career. Tattoos are no longer taboo.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I have 5 tattoos and before becoming a stay-at-home mother had a professional career. Tattoos are no longer taboo.

Not for a long, long time. And my be-tattooed ex-wife once commented when looking around when we were at a pool, a SIGNIFICANTLY higher percentage of women had tattoos than men. And again with my headscratcher about it being a "millennial" thing, it crossed generational boundaries. Almost every woman under around 55 (to the best of my estimate) had a tattoo. A lot of the men had them, but not nearly as many as women.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Whole Foods May Put Tattoo Parlors Inside New Millennial-Focused Stores."

Our nation's current ink storm has to abate at some point. They're hideous blights.

[Aloysious]

I take it you are not sporting a classy neck tattoo? You high society types.

[Rich]

That dude could totally get a job at Toys"R"Us!

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Classier?

[DenverJ]

Grandma?

[DenverJ]

Actually, at my she, I guess it'd be "Mom?"

[DenverJ]

At my age. Damn this phone

[DEATFBIRSECIA]

"If you guys want to get a MOM tattoo and save a little money, just get two letters done. Get about a one-inch capital M tattooed on each cheek of your ass in pink and brown ink. Then when you bend over, it says "Mom." Also, later on if you're havin' sex with your girlfriend, and her parents are in the next room, when you finish up you can just lie on your back, draw your legs up to your chest and silently say, 'Wow!"
? George Carlin, Brain Droppings

[Rich]

The mayor of Cleveland apologized to the family of Tamir Rice, the teen killed by a police officer in a public park, for the $500 bill sent to them for Rice's "emergency services." City officials say the claim has been withdrawn.

"Sorry for the confusion. The corrected bill of $1500 is in the mail."

[BiMonSciFiCon]

The Congressional Black Caucus is endorsing Hillary Clinton for president over Bernie Sanders.

I saw a progressive post on Facebook today how Democrats should be skeptical of Bernie because almost all of the Democrats in Congress are supporting Hillary.

A "Bernie Bro" responded and said "well of course they would, if they don't, the DNC won't support them in regard to fundraising, etc."

Unsurprisingly that wasn't well received.

[some guy]

Unsurprisingly that wasn't well received.

Well, what do you expect from such a sexist remark?

[creech]

How many black caucus members are in a toss-up district where DNC funding is even relevant?

[Juice]

The correct answer is, "Of course they would. Hillary is a Dem Party elite and Bernie isn't even a Democrat."

[Fist of Etiquette]

...for documents about projects by the foundation that might have required federal approval while Hillary Clinton was still secretary.

So suddenly synergy is against the law?

[John]

So where do the goal posts move from "they don't have a smoking gun showing Hillary took bribes so this is all a fake scandal"? That looks like bribery to my lying eyes.

[Just say Nikki]

"Whole Foods May Put Tattoo Parlors Inside New Millennial-Focused Stores."

I wonder how successful this will be. People are picky about their tattoo artists.

[thrakkorzog]

Not to mention picky about sanitation. I don't want to see somebody getting tattooed next to the bread aisle, and when I'm getting tattooed I don't want a bunch of gawkers walking by.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I wonder how successful this will be. People are picky about their tattoo artists.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... some people are picky about their tattoo artist.

[Overt]

The Clinton Foundation received a subpoena from investigators with the State Department for documents about projects by the foundation that might have required federal approval while Hillary Clinton was still secretary.

I have come to the conclusion that a significant number of DNC Operatives- including the White House- believe that Hillary will ultimately fall to this scandal. This explains why these stories are coming out now. They can't just throw her to the wolves because her fall would drag them all down with her.

Instead, they are dripping out stories like this, and the bombshell about her emails THE FRIDAY BEFORE IOWA CAUCUSES (!!) in hopes that the electorate will turn on her. When the inevitable indictment comes, they want her to be so low in the primaries that her passing will be the final chapter rather than the beginning of a scramble to prop up the "Second Choice" of voters.

[John]

Maybe. It is also possible that the truth is so bad that these stories are getting out in spite of a massive effort to keep a lid on things. It is entirely possible that the DNC believed Hillary's claims that it was no big deal and has let this thing get out of control.

[Overt]

I certainly believe that's why they didn't throw her to the wolves a year ago when other candidates still had time to jump in.

The reason I think they either believe Hill is doomed or perhaps want her doomed is the timing of that release about her emails being tippy top secret. They could have picked any Friday to drop that bomb. Had they dropped it the friday after the Iowa Caucuses, or close to the New Hampshire polls, the impact would have been negligible (she was always going to lose NH).

So why do it then? Either they are just giving her a big fuck you as thanks for her existence, or they know this is too big to contain and they are trying to sink her before it is too late. At least with the drip-drip-drip method, they can claim it wasn't the scandal but her inability to connect with voters that ended her run.

[tarran]

I think Obama doesn't give a shit about Hillary.

He does, however, care about getting out of office before the shit hits the fan. Or rather postponing things until after he is gone.

Because he suffers from narcissistic personality disorder, and that's how people with that disorder think.

A smart guy who wasn't a narcissist would have gone apeshit on Hillary once the damage became clear. He could then say "I was fucked over by someone I trusted". But since Obama can't admit fault, and has to pretend omniscience and super-competency, he couldn't go down that path.

So, in the spirit of the British government in the "Whisky Priest" episode of "Yes Minister", he tried to pretend the can of worms didn't exist.

And the Democratic Party went along with it because they care about looking good, not disciplining party members who engage in serious misconduct.

There was no calculation other than thinking how can we get through the next day looking the best we can for the next 24 hours. Each morning, they ask themselves, "How do I get through today looking awesome!"

It works like a charm! Until it doesn't work...

[creech]

Nor would I be shocked if the FBI came out with a clean bill of "health" for Hillary. I'll bet the Clintons have a blackmail file that makes J. Edgar's look amateurish. She probably has Obama's college application and grades but couldn't use them in 2008 without looking like a racist then suddenly it was too late.

[Rich]

Top Official Didn't Know About Hillary's Server, Even Though He Was On Email Discussing It

Think Patrick Kennedy will take the fall for Hillary?

[John]

Remember Scooter Libby got sent to prison because what he told the FBI didn't jive with what some half wit reporter said. Rules are of course for rethuglicans and little people.

[Rich]

Every day brings a new layer of steaming bullshit about this email non-scandal. At some point it just *has* to spill over into reality, doesn't it?

[Lee G]

This email says it all

[Lee G]

What the hell? Correct link

[BigT]

"We're working with Monica..."

Fitting

[bacon-magic]

*refresh
dammit, you beat meh

[bacon-magic]

I saw the money shot..."we are working with Monica". Fake SKANDULLLLLLL.

[Mock-star]

Ive always operated under the assumption that the private server was to shield Hillary from FOIA requests. This pretty much confirms it for me.

[ATXChappy]

Pffff, you expect people to believe what they can read with their own eyes. There are also 2 or 3 emails floating around where Hillary explicitly instructs a subordinate to send her classified info without identifiers. But, somehow, the emails don't really say what the clearly say.

[Jerryskids]

And the fact that Kennedy knew Hillary had a private server is the big story here? Not the line about how he could provide two Blackberry's but warning that one, while it would mask her identity, would still be subject to FOIA requests - suggesting he knew damn well why she had a private server and that was to hide her e-mail from FOIA requests?

[Fist of Etiquette]

...for the $500 bill sent to them for Rice's "emergency services."

It cost $500 for police to stop his 14-year-old sister from providing emergency services? Handcuff tax?

[Banjos]

Damn it feels good to be a goldbug.

[Medical Physics Guy]

I wish I had followed my Libertarian instincts and done some gold hoarding.

[Juice]

It would only have made sense in the last couple of months. It's about the same price now as it was last May.

[Atanarjuat]

Not to steal "just a thought, not a sermon"s thunder, but here is an entirely out-of-the-blue ramble.

I work with 3 guys from Lithuania. They are in their 30s, and have been here a little over 10 years since they came originally on a student visa. One of them told me that before they came they were told to expect much more freedom here, but have encountered exactly the opposite. One of the things that he still can't get over is that if you try to have a few beers in the park after sundown with friends, cops will forcibly remove you. Also, and this isn't really a libertarian issue, but women are reportedly much friendlier there. I guess they all stayed because the job market is better here. None of them were from particularly well-off families.

[John]

We are not free anymore. And that fact has nothing to do with NSA or THE GAYS or any of the other bullshit people are always bitching about. We are not free because a cancerous outbreak of busybodies has ensured that no one is ever left the fuck alone. People think that because they can watch porn on the internet and sodomize each other they are more free today. Sorry, but we are not.

[waffles]

Depends on the freedom. But here's an example. At the base of the ski area I looked around suspiciously before pulling a beer out of my pocket to consume. A woman in her early 60s at a nearby table, also drinking a beer, looked at me like I was nuts for being surreptitious about it. I am so used to being told what to do drinking a beer I brought from home was an act of rebellion in my mind. Sheesh, that's embarrassing.

[John]

It is just fucking sad.

[kbolino]

Not that anyone should have had to suffer under the boot of that monstrous ideology, but the fall of the USSR took away the one of the more powerful objections people could raise to the busybodies and basically allowed them to have much more power than before.

[DenverJ]

Yes, i have made that point before. The people who used to live behind the iron curtain are freer, but we lost a perfect bad example, and the ability to say " what is this, Russia?"

[Tejicano]

When is the last time you heard somebody use the excuse "It's a free country" in the US?

[DenverJ]

Maybe 1987? When did the Berlin wall fall?

[Tejicano]

I left the US in '93 so I don't really know if that phrase is used any more and wonder if people born since then would even understand what it means.

[DenverJ]

No, they are all voting for Sanders. I don't think they teach history anymore.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Is it really an "outbreak" if it stretches back to 1630?

[kbolino]

I think it's fair to say that they're mostly noticing the freedom they don't have here but would have there while benefiting from the freedom they have hear but wouldn't have there.

You'll hear similar stories from South Americans. A 10-year-old can grab a 6-pack from the store for mom and dad and bring it home. The cops won't stop you for not wearing a seatbelt or riding in the bed of a pickup truck. But try to start a business, or transport goods in the back of that pickup...

[Just say Nikki]

A great friend of mine is Lithuanian-Canadian. He moved (with his Ukrainian-Canadian wife) to Lithuania a few years after graduation, and though at the time I thought it was mostly for Romantic reasons of wanting to go back to his roots, he's since said that it's actually because he felt it was a step toward liberty. (I'm sure the roots still had a lot to do with it, of course.)

[The Last American Hero]

It will be until Putin decides Lithuania has something he needs.

[Pan Zagloba]

Couple days late, but haven't seen it (though I haven't had time to give H&R its due).

Far right activists plot to attack migrants in Sweden

Plot twist: all of the people arrested are Poles.

My namesake* is upset - while it may be right to smite the Turk (and these are kinda Turk, right?) to do so in service of vile Swedish occupiers? Never.

*a rather complex Fallstaff-like figure in the book series Poles refer to as The Trilogy (By Fire And Sword, Deluge, Pan Michael).

[PapayaSF]

Nobody wants to face the fact that Muslims cause social turmoil, pretty much everywhere. Sure, there are innocuous ones, but so what? There were individual Communists, Nazis, and Klansmen who were innocuous, too. All their ideologies still sucked, and no society was ever made better by having more of them.

[Pan Zagloba]

I just thought it was funny that first, Sweden had to import people to be racist against, and then had to import people to do the actual racisting...

[grrizzly]

That's what you do when you consider yourself (Sweden) a moral superpower.

[PapayaSF]

More justification for anti-racism education! More work for anti-racist bureaucrats!

[Medical Physics Guy]

all of the people arrested are Poles.This doesn't shock me. I work out with some incredibly right-wing Poles. Those Eastern European countries haven't suddenly made some turn toward racism and intolerance.

Many come to the UK to work, but view the English as a bunch of hateful mama's boys. A weird cognitive dissonance really.

[Pan Zagloba]

Right, I just thought there might be at least one local neo-Nazi of some kind.

Or the Poles were specifically racist, so going to Sweden to beat Arabs, OK. Doing it in company of a Swede? Ick!

[GILMORE?]

"all of the people arrested are Pole"

Having spent time in Poland after the fall of the berlin wall, and lived next to NYC's largest polish community for a decade+.... they're not exactly a people famed for their great interest in "assimilating minorities". especially if said minorities are looking at their sister.

[ant1sthenes]

Poles have a storied history of traveling abroad to kick foreign Muslim ass, as the Ottomans learned.

[John]

http://observer.com/2016/02/mo.....ite-wwiii/
Remember how we had to vote for Obama because if we didn't we would end up in World War III?

[wareagle]

wasn't Hill's re-set button supposed to fix all that?

[John]

Yeah. She flew over a million miles as Sec State. She was most successful one ever. She flew a million miles!!

[wareagle]

for fun, I looked at her campaign website for accomplishments. No mention of mileage, but a lot of things where she "helped" do something. That basically meant she voted on the winning side of some legislation or other, sometimes benign things. Absolutely no original legislation or ground-level work done on anything.

[Notorious UGCC]

Then this gender-neutral draft is coming just in time!

[Agammamon]

The sad thing is that even if Putin goes full retard it will be WWIII *only because we would refuse to stay out of it*.

Let 'em conquer Europe - the Russian military has, *maybe*, a 50/50 chance of being able to project power on a large scale - and then laugh when he finds out he can't *hold* it.

*Then* step in and roll them back up.

[DenverJ]

No no, we must invade them, from the west, in winter. That's worked before right?

[ant1sthenes]

Hey, at least Europe has a surplus of young males now. Maybe they can put them into an army and have them go rape Russians instead.

[Irish ?s ESB]

""Whole Foods May Put Tattoo Parlors Inside New Millennial-Focused Stores." Will the inks be locally sourced?"

It's like Whole Foods is trying to corner the asshole market.

[Lee G]

Who wants to shop for food where body modification is going on? Frikkin' gross.

[PapayaSF]

A favorite tattoo story: A guy gets the word "VEGAN" tattooed inside his lower lip(!), then discovers the tattoo ink was made from burned cow bones.

I think tattoos are a modern-day plague. They never make anyone look better, just stupider, and with less taste and foresight.

[John]

I hate them. I especially hate it when some gorgeous young woman has mutilated herself with them.

[PapayaSF]

Indeed. And stupid facial piercings. I know a woman with a slightly crooked nose from a bad nose-job who then got a nose piercing. WTF? Draw attention to your nose? And she's an artist, so she should have known better.

[Riven]

So don't get them yourselves. I can understand not finding them aesthetic, but whatever happened to live and let live?

There's plenty of things people do to themselves that look stupid/tacky, and it's all a matter of subjective opinion.

A dude who wouldn't even consider getting a tattoo is right out for me, personally.

[tarran]

I live and let live.

For example, I don't say a word to anyone about their tattoos.

That doesn't mean I don't form opinions about them. Personally, I think most tattoos are a mistake because I don't believe they age very well. Then again, most of my experience with tattoos comes from seeing other sailors in the bathroom so it's possible I'm judging folk songs based on an album by Bernie Sanders.

[Riven]

It's just a strange thing to be concerned about in other people, to me, but I respect that you don't browbeat people who have tattoos with your unfavorable opinion of them. Trust me when I say--they already hear it from plenty of people with more mouth than tact. I mean, I don't run around telling every man with blonde hair that I think he's hideous...even though he totally is.

My ex-husband was super against tattoos and piercings on the grounds that, "The body is a temple," or some such nonsense. But earlobe piercings were OK, of course, because they just lend to a woman's "femininity," in his mind. I see a lot of that kind of logic surrounding body modification; this is ok but that isn't because ____. It's not always religious, but it is always hypocritical.

[Crusty Juggler]

My issue with tattoos: I don't care, and stop thinking I care, and stop being a victim because you chose to have tattoos, and stop thinking your tattoos make you interesting. If the tattoo community didn't give a shit, I wouldn't dislike tattoos, but the tattoo community (as a whole), is a generally a hive of victimized whiners. Shut up. Is that so hard to ask? (yes). Well okay.

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

I don't care, and stop thinking I care, and stop being a victim because you chose to have tattoos, and stop thinking your tattoos make you interesting. If the tattoo community didn't give a shit, I wouldn't dislike tattoos, but the tattoo community (as a whole), is a generally a hive of victimized whiners.

I generally agree. Like I said above. I really don't like the types of people who get tattoos. They tend to either be boring people trying to compensate for being boring, or middle-aged women who think they're being cute.

The tats themselves seem like a waste of money and a poor life decision, but that's between the be-tatted and their future selves.

[PapayaSF]

What gives you the idea that I am not "live and let live" on tattoos? I didn't say I want to ban them. I don't insult people who have them. I just consider 99.99% of them to be ugly and a sign of bad judgment.

[DenverJ]

Which describes the one and only tat that I got 27 years ago. I've gotten used to it by now, but wish I hadn't gotten it.

[Rich]

That is a great story. Too bad the tat is not on his face, or better yet, on his penis.

[grrizzly]

Once I was in Halifax shortly before their annual Tattoo. It took me a while to figure out that the city was not going to descend to celebration of ugliness.

[Curt]

But were they grass-fed, organic, free-range cows?

[BearOdinson]

I respect that some people absolutely don't like them. And I also get it why people who tattoo their face or neck, or gauge their ears look pretty ridiculous.

I like some and I don't like others. My wife has a few, and I generally like them. But then she usually discusses them with me first. I have 1 decent size one, but it is on the back of my shoulder so unless I am at the pool or something no one else sees it.

[Pope Jimbo]

A master sergeant I worked with in Okinawa got a tattoo in the Phillipines when he was 18 and on a south Pacific cruise. He had a woman's leg inked along the inside of his left arm and another leg along his left side. They met at his armpit hair which made it look like a snatch.

It was a great tattoo that we all loved. Anytime we got him drunk enough we'd demand he take off his shirt and show it off. Even better was when his wife would show up and shriek at him to put his shirt back on.

[Tejicano]

A staff sergeant in my platoon on Okinawa had his wife's name tattooed on his forearm. When he got the "dear John" letter from her he got drunk and had a corpsman cut it off and sew up the hole. He was about to cut it off himself with a K-bar when the corpsman interviened.

[lap83]

I don't even get the artistic appeal. I had a design professor who suggested to put your work away for a year. When you look back at it, if you still think "looks great!", you're not improving. I actually wouldn't be surprised if artists had fewer tattoos in proportion to the population. A tattoo is at odds with artistic progress. It's like scrapbooking.

[BigT]

And those tattoo artists ain't Rembrandt.

[BearOdinson]

"Congress voted Thursday to permanently bar state and local governments from taxing Internet access. President Barack Obama is expected to sign the bill into law."

Far be it from me to argue against preventing taxes. But just out of curiousity, why does the internet deserve special protection? The government can put a sales tax on anything I buy (many places don't tax food, but that isn't universal), special taxes on gasoline, property, cars, cellphones (which I use to access the internet), the Obamacare "penaltax", and many, many others.

[See Double You]

Facebook derp, Exhibit K(b)(2)(iii)(g):

Article: Globally, more than 1 billion people have been taken out of poverty over the last 25 years.

Research: Since 1981, socialist communist China has taken more than 500 million of its citizens out of poverty.

That's right. Liberalizing markets didn't lift half of those 1 billion people out of poverty; socialism did! The guy thinks that because China is still officially communist, it was communism/socialism that alleviated Chinese poverty. Nevermind that Deng's liberalizing reforms occurred right around that time.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Oh my God. It takes a special kind of moron to look at China's improvement in the last 25 years and not notice this coincided with a period of massive economic liberalization.

That is some impressive shit right there. And it also fails to mention that by the standard of 'poverty' they're using in the China situation (namely people living on more than $1.25 a day, which is the international poverty line), evil, Capitalist America has 0% poverty.

[See Double You]

We've reached peak derp, at least until the next time we reach peak derp.

[Irish ?s ESB]

People don't understand relative poverty vs. the absolute poverty line. I've heard people argue America has more poverty than random third world countries because they compare the third world country's poverty line (which is usually like $500 a year) to the US poverty line (which is like $17,000) and discover there are more people in America living under $17,000 per person than there are in Buttfuckistan living under $500.

They then conclude people in America are worse off than people in said third world country because they are innumerate morons.

[Doctor Whom]

I see that a lot. Great Leap Forward? What was that? China went straight from the fall of the Qing Dynasty to the way it is today.

[Tejicano]

Holy fcuk! Wha?!!?

I spent four weeks backpacking across China in 1988 and it was like 1/4 of the human race had been living in a time capsule from the 1800's. The contrast with today's China cannot be described without a book. Communism didn't do anything good for most Chinese people.

[Ken Shultz]

"The Clinton Foundation received a subpoena from investigators with the State Department for documents about projects by the foundation that might have required federal approval while Hillary Clinton was still secretary."

Praise Jesus! Glory Hallelujah! Gloria in excesis Deo!

The list of foreign governments that made contributions to Hillary's Clinton Foundation--while she was the Secretary of State--included some of the most corrupt and vicious dictatorships in the world. Hillary Clinton accepted donations from Algeria, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait . . .

Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton Foundation millions before she became Secretary of State. They stopped once she took that office--but once she stepped down, they started giving money to the Clinton Foundation again!

"Foreign governments gave millions to foundation while Clinton was at State Dept."

"Some foreign governments that had been supporting the foundation before Clinton was appointed, such as Saudi Arabia, did not give while she was in office and have since resumed donating."

http://tinyurl.com/Foreign-governments-gave-mill

What's the going price for a President these days, Hillary?

[Ken Shultz]

Accepting donations from foreign governments is far, far worse than anything Hillary did with her email server.

[The Last American Hero]

The two are connected.

[BigT]

"Accepting donations from foreign governments is far, far worse than anything Hillary did with her email server."

Unless she was sending naked selfies.

[See Double You]

Unless [Hillary] was sending naked selfies.

This would be my reaction to receiving one of those.

[Old Mexican Mighty Aggressor]

The mayor of Cleveland apologized to the family of Tamir Rice, the teen killed by a police officer in a public park, for the $500 bill sent to them for Rice's "emergency services."

"The penalty shall be death by shooting. The family is to be billed for the cost of the bullet."

The last of the occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon surrendered peacefully to authorities this morning.

Ranchers don't get to be Occupiers. It's in the manual somewhere...

The Congressional Black Caucus is endorsing Hillary Clinton for president over Bernie Sanders.

Only Hillary has the ring to kiss...

[BiMonSciFiCon]

Getting Married Is Not an Accomplishment.

Some fun excerpts:

My frustration is this: It is 2016 and being popped the question is still more celebrated than academic and professional pursuits of women. Yes, college graduations and landing a great career and receiving wonderful promotions are all received with happiness from friends and family, but not even close to the same level of elation received when you announce that you are getting hitched. This is my experience, at least.

No shit, as it's (hopefully) a once-in-a-lifetime event that directly affects a family.

You don't have to have a brain, drive or special skill set to get married. You just have to have a willing partner.

Being a desirable partner has nothing to do with having attractive skills and/or traits. Uh huh.

The other thing- I'm a guy, and people were much more excited for me when I said I got engaged than when I got a job or into law school.

Lastly, what a humorless scold. I feel badly for her fiance.

[lap83]

Maybe it's not an accomplishment like staying married, esp. somewhere like Hollywood, but for people who want to get married it should be a bigger deal than a job. Your boss isn't promising to love you and commit to you even in old age, sickness, and poverty.

[XM]

"Angry white terrorists who occupy empty land fails to kill anybody."

I'm confused.

[Brett L]

Mmm. Mexican Mules. Tequila, ginger beer, pickled jalape?o juice and lime. How's the rest of you?

[DenverJ]

Have you ever had candied jalapenos? Man they are good. So good that you eat a couple three before the heat makes it way through the "candied", then, watch out!

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Re: the tattoo subthread above. Here are some stats from the Pew Research Center that I have to admit are quite surprising:

Annual amount of U.S. spending on tattoos $1,650,500,000
Total percent of Americans (all ages) who have at least one tattoo 14 %
Percentage of U.S. adults 18 ? 25 who have at least one tattoo 36 %
Percentage of U.S. adults 26 ? 40 who have at least one tattoo 40 %
Total number of Americans that have at least one tattoo 45 million
Number of tattoo parlors in the U.S. 21,000
Average cost of a small tattoo $ 45
Average cost of a large tattoo $150 / hour
Percentage of U.S. population who have covered up a tattoo with another tattoo 5 %
Percentage of people with tattoos who claim they are addicted to ink 32 %
Percentage of people who have some regret after getting their tattoo 17 %
Percentage of people with a tattoo who are getting or have had one removed 11 %
Factors Considered When Getting A Tattoo
Percentage of people with tattoos who think the reputation of tattoo artist or tattoo studio is the most important factor 49 %
Percentage of people with tattoos who think price is the most important factor 8 %
Percentage of people with tattoos who think a tattoo with a personal meaning is the most important factor 43 %

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

How People Feel About Their Tattoo
Total percentage of people with tattoos who say their tattoo makes them feel rebellious 29 %
Percentage of people with a tattoo that say it makes them feel more sexy 31 %
Percentage of people with tattoos who say their tattoo makes them feel more intelligent 5 %

[Crusty Juggler]

Don't get me started, and I am already started. Fucking Paul.

[Notorious UGCC]

Lydia the Tattooed Lady

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

http://www.statisticbrain.com/tattoo-statistics/

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

40% of U.S. adults (26-40) with tattoos, so that again seems probably very regional. Lower in some places, higher in others.

45 million total tattooed people. Only 17% regret their tattoo. Not super surprising, I haven't met many who wish they hadn't. Slightly less than half think that the rep of the artist is important. That slightly confirms a suspicion I had. Only 43% think the tattoo has to have some personal meaning. I'm a bit shocked at that. I always that that pretty much everyone... at least initially believed their tattoo had some personal meaning. So I guess those guys who have "only god can judge me" written incorrectly in Chinese are just doing it for yuks.

Only 29% think it's a rebellion factor. I'm guessing that has dropped precipitously over the last 25 years. I'm NOT surprised, however, that a higher percentage think it makes them sexy. And I don't really even understand the last question, but it's interesting that anyone answered in the affirmative.

[Crusty Juggler]

Nothing annoys me more, and I mean nothing, as in, nothing, than a person with tattoos acting like a victim, and so many people who have tattoos act like victims. People with arrest records, or people who are born too short, or too tall, or too heavy, or with small breasts, or bald prematurely, or with small dicks, or poor, or in terrible places, don't play the victim card as nearly as often as those who choose to get tattoos.

Their tattoos do not make them interesting, or sexy, or special, or artistic.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I can tell you right now I don't need a tattoo to feel like a victim. My inherent genetic inferiority does that by itself.

"Thanks, God! Dog-pile of piss-poor physique on top of a small cock and hereditary alcoholism, 'preciate it!"

[Crusty Juggler]

Thank you.

[Tejicano]

I have issues with idjits who get tattoos with Chinese ideograms when they have no idea what it means. It's like they don't really get it that those characters have meaning to real people on this earth. And I know the people, in most cases I have seen, don't know what the tattoo means because I do read them and they are generally unintelligible.

[Domestic Dissident]

Afrocentric gentleman plays Knockout King (also sometimes known as "Polar Bear Hunting") on a middle-aged white man in Brooklyn, then says "That's for Malcolm X, cracka."

Wow. There's a dude who can really hold a serious grudge.

[Notorious UGCC]

Yeah, it sucks how those *white people* killed Malcolm X.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Someone might wanna tell the kid about Betty Shabazz who seems to be utterly convinced (I don't know why) that Calypso Louie had something to do with it.

[Crusty Juggler]

Mitchum calypso

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

NOT A HATE CRIME!

[Rhywun]

"Cracka, you don't belong here," the assailant said before walking off.

Spike Lee approves.

[Tejicano]

Approve or not, I will lay money that he never mentions anything about this issue in public. So fuck him.

[Cowboy]

"The only thing having a tattoo says about someone or about their "Life" is that they had $60 once.".

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[annymiller12345]

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[annymiller12345]

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[annymiller12345]

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[annymiller12345]

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[annymiller12345]

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[annymiller12345]

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[annymiller12345]

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