Tonight's GOP Debate Is an Experiment: What Does the Republican Race Look Like Without Donald Trump?

With any luck, tonight's GOP debate in Iowa will serve as an experiment of sorts—designed to test the question: What does the Republican primary race look like without Donald Trump?
Since entering the race last summer, Trump has overwhelmed the campaign, making it almost impossible for other candidates to get attention and airtime. Trump has focused the campaign almost entirely on his issues, pronouncements, and candidacy, drowning out substance and policy ideas, particularly on domestic economic policy, that should be part of the primary discussion. These days, when non-Trump candidates talk, they are almost always implicitly—if not explicitly—talking in relation to Trump. He is the axis on which the entire Republican race turns.
And tonight, provided he doesn't change his mind and make a dramatic last-minute entrance (which given Trump's flair for the spotlight, remains an outside possibility), Trump will be gone for the first time, leaving the rest of the candidates to talk amongst themselves.
In theory, that means that we could be in for a calmer, somewhat more substantive debate. Now, I'm not expecting this to turn into a think tank panel, or candidates to pass out white papers during their opening statements. But with Trump gone, the candidates have an opportunity, however brief, to show what they're like in his absence, to demonstrate, if only for a few hours, the kinds of campaigns they wanted to run.
Trump's absence probably represents the biggest opportunity for Jeb Bush, who has consistently come across as flustered by Trump's stage presence, and who spent much of last year rolling out a series of interesting and sometimes reasonable economic policy proposals that almost no one paid any attention to. If Bush wants to show us the kind of campaign he had hoped to run, and the kind of candidate he'd hoped to be, tonight represents his best opportunity in months.
It's an opportunity for candidates like Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul—who will be back on the mainstage—as well, to both make their cases and to differentiate themselves from the other Republican politicians on stage without having to worry that everything they say will immediately turn to bounce off of Trump. It's a moment that might allow all the candidates some breathing room and freedom to model what a Trump-free GOP primary would like.
Or at least, that's what it could be, if enough of the candidates decided that's what they wanted, and the moderators decided to play along (or not offer too much resistance). But it's probably not what it will be. After all, Trump remains the party's frontrunner, and his absence is the biggest story going into the debate. He won't be on the stage, but his spirit will loom over the event anyway, and the moderators for Fox News—which has not been shy about criticizing Trump for his no-show—will probably frame many if not most of their questions around Trump anyway, implicitly asking the candidates to take shots at him, to pile on, knowing that he has no way to hit back. Even in his absence, then, his presence will still be felt.
I won't deny that this approach could be entertaining and even satisfying in a way, but it won't be all that instructive. Trump has dominated the GOP race so thoroughly that at this point it's hard to imagine what it would look like without. Tonight's debate offers an opportunity—admittedly an imperfect one—to engage in that fantasy, and even to enact it, if only for a moment.
Indeed, enacting that fantasy may ultimately be the best way to hit Trump where it hurts. His refusal to attend the debate is, like virtually everything he does, a stunt designed to make sure that he remains the center of attention. So ignoring him rather than attacking him might be the more effective approach. If Trump truly doesn't want to take part in this debate, then so be it. Both Fox and the candidates should do their part and leave him out of it entirely.
Check back in later this evening: Reason editors will be live-tweeting both the primetime debate and the undercard.
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What sits at the top of an adorable finger?
A cute-icle.
The planet's reaction to this pun
A yopp?
"That was--and I'm not saying this lightly--worse than a hundred September Elevens."
That's 91,100. Basically, all the worst parts of the Bible.
Don't listen to the haters. That's a good one.
/Satan
Team LynchPin.
Thank you for starting the conversation off on the right foot.
I owe you a $3 whore.
Tonight's debate is an experiment in boredom.
What does the Republican primary race look like without Donald Trump?
Why, it looks like the apocalypse, of course.
Like Shoggoth with one less orifice
I thought Trump was the apocalypse! No one ever tells me anything anymore!
What does the Republican primary race look like without Donald Trump?
It looks like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yspq7ilTOCw
If nobody watches does it look like anything?
You win the Internet.
Trump's suggesting that the ratings might tank, but it's possible that more folks will turn out just to hear what the other candidates sound like sans-Trump.
I am actually going to watch this one. First *evah* since.... since.... oh, remember when Lloyd Bensten dissed Dan Quayle? i think that one.
+1 You made the comparison, Senator.
ur so old dude ur like from the vietnam war. how did u google homework research before the internet?
/Hillary activist.
I think i was 14 or so. And i really did see that live, and i really went "OH SNAP DAD DID YOU SEE THAT? THE OLD GUY JUST BITCHSLAPPED HOWDY DOODY OVER HERE"
Fuck yeah he did! One of the best putdowns of a stuffed shirt I have seen.
I used to have this desk calendar called "The 365 Stupidest Things Ever Said," and half of the entires were Dan Quayle and Brooke Shields.
Roughly same level of intellectual heft, and if I had to pick the stronger mind it would likely be Shields.
My mom taught Brooke Shields in ...some school in NY. She was supposed to be super-smart. or so i was told.
Even though I'm a millennial, I watched The Blue Lagoon as a young man, and I refuse to sit here and let you monsters insult one of the people who taught me so much about love, sex, and survival.
+1 Blonde Fro
I didn't mean Chris Atkins, Lee.
Yeah, sure you didn't...
half of the entires were Dan Quayle and Brooke Shields.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxIiJEy0yWc
Heck, I remember trying to figure out what the hell Ford meant when he tried arguing with Carter that Poland was not under Soviet domination. Little did I realize at the time which of the two was dumber.
No. He's right that the ratings will tank, I think. Tons of leftists turn in just see what insanity Trump is going to hurl forth.
Makes sense.
"Tons of leftists turn in just see what insanity Trump is going to hurl forth."
I doubt that.
I think its more that large numbers of Trump supporters are in it for the lulz and who the hell wants to hear Jeb and Cruz and Rubio talk *Policy*?
I think he's basically playing chicken with Fox, assuming 1) that his antics bring in the ratings, and 2) that Fox cares more about politics. I'm at least a little curious to see whether his prediction pays off.
Don't you mean what would the Nazi Party look like without Hitler? /progderp
Remember those two fuckstain pigs that opened fire on the wrong make/model/color/year truck while searching for the rogue cop Dorner?
You guessed it! No charges:
http://news.yahoo.com/officers.....53603.html
Have you seen the documentary 'Training Day'? It's definitely a documentary.
Infuriating
to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the eight officers had not acted in self-defense
What does that have to do with bringing charges? Isn't that what's supposed to be determined at a trial?
They shot at people just going about their business who had nothing to do with anything. Seems like there is zero evidence to support the notion that they were acting in self defense.
insufficient admissible evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the eight officers had not acted in self-defense or in the defense of others.
That sounds backwards to me. Classically, the defendant has to prove self-defense by a preponderance of the evidence.
Is it now the case in CA that the prosecution has to prove no self-defense, beyond a reasonable doubt? I find that very hard to believe, although I don't know for sure.
Even if that is the standard, on what possible planet is there reasonable doubt about self-defense? There was no threat whatsoever, and not even a reason to be mistaken about whether there was a threat.
mens rea only counts for the right people.
I'm surprised it took this long to let them off the hook.
They waited until everyone forgot about the incident.
I bet JEB! embarrasses himself, so pretty much like normal I suppose
With the caveat that I'm rarely correct when it comes to political prognostications:
1. Trump will implode, and it will be his own damn fault.
2. Bush is going to rise in the polls, significantly.
If Trump implodes, I can't see Bush benefitting. I doubt very many Trumpistas have Bush as their second choice.
If Trump implodes, I think Cruz takes many of his supporters, and becomes the leader by a good margin.
I think I see why you're so often wrong.
Given hat nobody should get the necessary number of delegates to secure the nomination on the first ballot, my belief is that the eventual Republican nominee has not yet actually entered he race.
Only Donald Trump could refuse to show up to the debate and still make the debate all about him...
The bigger experiment is can a GOP candidate actually gain success while insulting FOX and dismissing them. That is the one FOX is worried about, as it will be the first time.
joe is fascinated by bigger experiments, as they're all bigger than him. Well, just about anything is, I guess.
I think he's also hoping that this will keep attention away from that lying harpie.
Enough about Sanders...
Yes, that too.
Which one?
BTW, Jack, I'm still waiting for a Rapture date. You know, if it just keeps getting pushed off in the distance, it sort of makes you a lying piece of shit.
So are you a lying piece of shit, or are you going to give us a date?
Why do you want a date with Joe?
C'mon love, give us a date!
Well allo allo allo!
"Why do you want a date with Joe?"
I was asking for YOU!
You have to ask properly.
"Jack, would you kindly give me a Rapture date?"
"Since entering the race last summer, Trump has overwhelmed the campaign, making it almost impossible for other candidates to get attention and airtime.'
So the devil makes 'em do it? Sorry, Peter, no takers here for that pile of bullshit.
In every media outlet, someone chooses how much air-time or column-inches are devoted to every subject, and it ain't The Donald. He may be playing them like a fiddle, but the music comes from them.
According to the 'myth or journalism', they should at least make choices that reflect a balanced view, but we know that's no more real than your comment.
So let's admit that the media outlets simply imagine that Trump 'sells' and no one else does. If they're right, the public is getting what it deserves. If they're wrong, well, it might be for the same reason that Hillary gets a free pass on her criminal behavior; most of the media is listing to port almost to the point of capsizing
Yeah, I saw CNN playing a clip of Limbaugh saying Trump was dominating the debate whether he was there or not, that Trump dominates the race whether he's talking or not, whether he's even awake or he's asleep. If you're not talking about Trump, you're talking about what somebody else said about Trump or what somebody said about what somebody said about Trump. The anchors pondered this for a second and then started a discussion on whether or not the media talked about Trump too much. You're talking about Trump right now you jackasses! And why is that? Because we all know the only thing getting Trump off the news for a second is live film of a naked chick running down the street with her head on fire. Trump sells and that's what you're in business for.
So the devil makes 'em do it?
I'm not sure how you figure that is what he is saying. His presence has caused attention to focus on him. That doesn't mean other people aren't involved and making choices. But that is what happened. He didn't make them do it. But he knew they would.
He may be playing them like a fiddle, but the music comes from them.
I'd say that's not a great choice of analogy. The player is more responsible for the music than the instrument.
"His presence has caused attention to focus on him."
So you agree the devil makes 'em do it? They are *forced* to give him coverage? Are you *forced8 to read about him?
"d say that's not a great choice of analogy. The player is more responsible for the music than the instrument."
Yeah, 'cause a player can make a drum sound like a trombone, right?
Thank you, Mr. Pedant for making a fool of yourself.
Does the Republican Race Look Like Without Donald Trump?
Oh, now Republicans are a race?
WHO YOU CALLING "YOU PEOPLE"?
Well, if Islam can be a race, why not?
Well, the original KKK did make a point of killing them.
And tonight, provided he doesn't change his mind and make a dramatic last-minute entrance (which given Trump's flair for the spotlight, remains an outside possibility),
If I were Trump, I would only walk into the chamber if they played Hail to the Chief.
No, Paul. Hail to the king, baby.
Shop smart, shop S-Mart.
YOU GOT THAT?!?
Now, I swear: the next time one of you *primates* even touches me...
I always preferred "primitive screwheads"
That was just pillow talk.
Look, maybe I didn't say every single little tiny syllable, no. But basically I said them, yeah.
"Jack of All Trades" was a good show.
America is trying to elect the next president, and Trump is talking about ratings. THAT is all you need to know about his candidacy.
It's ratings that elects the president. Or is "democracy" just a word to you?
Democracy: something, something wolves and sheep and dinner.
What an interesting non sequitur.
It's non sequiturs that fuel Hit & Run. Or is 'non sequitur' like latin to you?
Meanwhile, the actual president appears on more and more late night talk shows for vapid, celebrity interviews.
What was your point, again?
OT: It's come to this. When we start pretending that we can make our own reality, what can we expect?
Norwegian woman is claiming that she is actually a cat trapped in a woman's body ? and that the fact that she has a human body is a "genetic defect."
Felinity is a social construct!
"Under my birth there was a genetic defect," she continued."
I think she's correct, but not the same way she does.
Well, that should help take care of her involvement in the human world.
And if she uses a litter-box, keep her away from here!
I tried to parody some stuff last year, talking about a guy who thought he was a squirrel trapped in a human's body, and wanting to have a giant fuzzy tail surgically attached to his butt.
I meant it as a joke, I swear. I...I...I didn't mean for it to go this far.
As an aside, I think this is less weird than the 50 year old man who says he is now a 6 year old girl with a new mommy and daddy.
This may seem pretty weird to you, but don't worry? Nano's not alone. In fact, she said she has a best buddy named "Svien" and that they talk to each other by meowing. MORE P.C. CULTURE FEDS: REMOVE 'HE' AND 'SHE' FROM LABOR REGS TO 'AVOID THE GENDER BINARY' IF THE OSCARS ARE SO LIBERAL, WHY ARE THE #OSCARSSOWHITE? U OF OREGON STUDENTS DEBATED REMOVING MLK QUOTE FROM WALL BECAUSE IT WASN'T INCLUSIVE ENOUGH (Notice that Sven is different than she is because he simply has "an" identity as a cat. Nano says that, unlike her, he was not "born as a cat.") "He is human but has someone in his head that is a cat, and I am born as a cat," she said.
Sorry about that "all-caps" rant in the middle of the quote.
In fact, she even said that some of her catlike behaviors are involuntary. For example, she claimed to have no real control over how she started hissing at a dog in the middle of her interview. "It's because of their behavior and my instinct automatically reacts by hissing," she said. "It's also obvious that I'm a cat when I start purring and meowing," she added. "And walking around on four legs and stuff like that."
Will national review pay royalties to Internet Aristocrat for proving them with storylines?
Who said all Norwegian chicks are cute?
We already did that one.
And people have been doing that shit for a long time.
I like the genetic defect theory. Having a different number of chromosomes and the genes of a completely different species is a pretty major defect.
Otherkin: the next PC bullshit crusade.
Before or after the pedophilia acceptance movement?
Huckabee and Santorum are going to join Trump at his Vetrans Rallie.
Will it be classy?
They're serving fried squirrel, I hear.
Gopher, Everett?
No thanks, Delmar. A third of a gopher would only arouse my appetite without beddin' her back down.
It is my firm opinion that the best we can hope for is that a Revolutionary Socialist will take over and destroy the country through sheer incompetence, leaving a power vacuum that libertarians can fail to exploit.
So...Trump?
Definitely. Big enough power vacuum and a legit libertarian could be polling at four, maybe five percent. From there it's only a small step to libertopia.
+1 Libertarian Moment
I for one look forward to the plucky general boldly leading us out of the chaos and humbly appointing himself emperor.
The other side of the Rubicon looks nice this year...
This is it for Rand. Showtime. The chance to be memorable and make a splash without the giant douchebag sucking all the air out of the room.
It won't happen, but if something big is going to happen for Rand, I think it's gotta be tonight.
He'll have to find a way to force them to give him air time without sounding whiny.
Will Douglas Adams consider this Trump's big mistake? It sure makes him look weak.
I don't see how, really.
He is doing his own thing. Without him, the debate looks like the kid's table. He's got media-friendly counter-programming.
How does he come out behind?
All one of the other candidates has to ask is how is Donald Trump supposed to be such a tough guy and able to negotiate with Putin when he's afraid to answer tough questions from a female reporter.
Douglas Adams is dead.
He's somewhere around in the Whole Sort of General Mish Mash.
Do you mean Scott Adams? He's already stated that this is a brilliant move.
"What Does the Republican Race Look Like Without Donald Trump?"
It's still mostly Caucasian.
Caucasian? I'm pretty sure they are all Americans.
Let's see...Cruz, Rubio, Trump, Carson, Rand, and Bush.
A Canadian-American, A Cuban-American, A New Yorker-American, An African-American, A Pseudo-libertarian, and A Bush.
That's what I call a balanced Ticket.
Not as Caucasian as the Democrat race.
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He is the axis on which the entire Republican race turns.
lol. maybe the other guys can create an alliance to stop him.
A rebel alliance against the Evil Trumpire
"San Francisco students suspended over racist 'wigga party'"
[...]
"More than a dozen high school students were suspended from St. Ignatius College Preparatory in San Francisco after they took part in a racist-themed party...
[...]The slang term "wigga" combines the word white and the n-word and refers to a white person who attempts to emulate African American culture by drawing on stereotypes of clothing and mannerisms."
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/.....790881.php
Not sure who is the offended party here, outside of the oh-so-correct principal.
Trump remains the party's frontrunner, and his absence is the biggest story going into the debate ... his spirit will loom over the event anyway ... Even in his absence, then, his presence will still be felt.
Thus proving that Trump can be in two places at the same time. Thus proving his powers are greater than all other candidates* combined. Even if Trump is completely ignored, if he goes unmentioned and unreferenced, his presence will be felt.
* all other candidates. There is Trump and there is all other candidates. Trump is has already won.
Use the Force, Rand.