Rand Paul Livetweets the Democratic Debate

Points out Hillary Clinton's past on criminal justice reform in a way Democrats don't want to.

NBC News

The Democratic presidential candidates are having a debate tonight, because what better time for a debate than 9pm on a Sunday night before a federal holiday? Hillary Clinton, Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) and Martin O'Malley are participating at the Democratic debate, mostly agreeing with each other. Once in a while Clinton, the frontrunner, and Sanders, her primary challenger, argue over an issue like guns or healthcare.

Republican presidential candidate Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.), who skipped the Fox debate Thursday night rather than be relegated to the undercard, is livetweeting the Democratic debate. He was sorely missed on Thursday on issues like police reform and the war on drugs, and is his livetweeting illustrates, he's got something substantive to offer against the Democratic candidates too.

While the Democrats mostly skirted around the root causes for the need criminal justice reform, Paul pointed out that Clinton's been a big supporter of legislation like the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act. And Paul referred back to the comments he made on the war on drugs at his counter-programming #RandRally event Thursday night when the Democratic candidates tonight similarly declined to tackle the problem with the war on drugs and instead offered suggestions on how they'd run it.

Follow Rand Paul's livetweeting here. Republican Jeb Bush is the only other major presidential candidate livetweeting the debate.

Comments

[See Double You]

Bernie keeps getting the soapbox, and is now beating the climate change drum.

[Sevo]

That's book something, chapter X, verse Y; gaia is a jealous god.

[See Double You]

Oh boy, asking Bernie about foreign policy...

[GILMORE?]

"The Democratic presidential candidates are having a debate tonight"

Is that what they call them? how did you find out about it? Strangely there are never any advertisements, or huge shout-outs in the daily papers.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Medusa don't want 'em.

[See Double You]

Whoa...Bernie said something I agree with! "Other wealthy countries must contribute more to their defense instead of us."

[Limpee Wiltstock]

Yeah, like CHINA. And fucking Russia, for that matter.

[Contrarian P]

Yeah, but why would they? We've always taken care of that. It's like the 30 year old guy living in his parents' basement. If you asked him, why would he want to get a job as long as mom and dad are paying for everything? Any call to scale back the U.S. military presence anywhere immediately leads to wailing, so I'll believe that when I see it.

[See Double You]

Any call to scale back the U.S. military presence anywhere immediately leads to wailing, so I'll believe that when I see it.

It's why our politicos need to grow some balls. What are these countries going to do if we withdraw most of our forces? Sanction us?

[Sevo]

Why, they'll turn commie if the government has to spend money on defense and not on free shit!
De Gaul and Eden convinced Marshall of that, and Ike fell for it too; hence NATO (US military with Brit food).

[Agammamon]

I thought it was more like the *Italian* military and British food.

[Sevo]

You think the ITALIANS are gonna pay for the troops?
Ha and HA!

[Notorious UGCC]

The joke on which that comment was based

[Gojira]

^^This.

People always seem to forget: it was the US that wanted to keep western Europe from going red, not the western Europeans themselves. So, quite rightly (since it was our wish being carried out), we footed the bill.

The deal was basically this: we were told by their leaders, and our intelligence services believed, that without constant US cash, they (France and Italy) would vote themselves right into the Warsaw pact. Virulent anti-communism is a peculiarly American trait; the average frog or wop either simply didn't give a damn, or if they thought about it at all, were somewhat more sympathetic to the communist cause than not.

We desperately didn't want them to go commie; they themselves didn't really care either way. So it was incumbent upon us to provide the incentive to see things our way. And that incentive came in the form of shipping crates full of burlap sacks with dollar signs on them.

[Sevo]

"...the average frog or wop either simply didn't give a damn, or if they thought about it at all, were somewhat more sympathetic to the communist cause than not..."

This is a question I've looked at ten ways from Sunday and have never arrived at a solid answer.
Even Judt in "Post War" makes the point that frog and wop commies were STILL pitching the lure of commie-hood long after the '56 Hungarian event that made it clear to anyone who ignored the show trials that communism = thuggery. As Judt puts it, 'centralized planning means centralized murder'.
Pretty sure it was Camus who was still traveling to eastern Europe in the early '80s, remarking to (very small) audiences how good they had it, since the US wasn't importing jeans and Big Macs there; Judt wonders why they didn't egg him off the stages...
So, were they really that dumb?
Bernie says YES!!!!!!!!! YOU BET!!!!!!!!!

[Tejicano]

My take was that in the minds of most Western-Euros - Soviet (slavic) communism = thuggery

So just like our current crop of US domestic socialists, they knew that the Right People would know how to do it differently.

[Gojira]

That's an interesting point.

"Well of course the untermensch slavs fucked it up.

We'll nail this shit because we have haute couture"

[Gojira]

The stories of heavy CIA involvement in Italian elections carried on well into the 80s, supposedly to offset the equal KGB influence.

Still, even as late as the 80s, what the fuck were so many people still doing being so sympathetic to that, that the KGB could even get a foothold? Why didn't the Red Brigades die out in the 50s?

Utopianism, is my go-to answer. It's a poison that will never die.

[Derpmaster General]

Camus died in either the late 50s or early 60s.

[Derpmaster General]

^ Sevo above.

[Limpee Wiltstock]

"Anyone else think that #DemDebate halftime show needed a band?"

Yeah, like the dance band on the Titanic.

[Crusty Juggler]

Today I was entertained by a lady who opened the door wearing a t-shirt featuring Bernie Sanders riding a unicorn. She asked me what I thought about the shirt it because it was a new purchase.

Did I respond by saying:

A.) "Bitch, I'm a libertarian, I ain't gots time for your socialist ass."
B.) "I'll let you ride me like a unicorn."
C.) "Grow up, you fucking moron."
D.) "You look really good in it."

If you guess the correct answer you win an imaginary version of the t-shirt.

[GILMORE?]

Hopefully "D".

How does it compare to the work of Dan Lacey? I think its a little sad they can't come up with anything new in 7 years. Also, Bernie is old, like a wizard. He wouldn't ride a unicorn = he'd command them with his magic staff.

[Crusty Juggler]

I believe it was a version of this shirt. Dan Lacey's is much better.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

So is that... is that supposed to be an earnest shirt? It's not poking fun at his stupidity?

[Tejicano]

I think they have the perfect angle. Most would see it for how it shows how stupid he is - another slice of the population would buy it for how much they believe in its truth.

[DenverJ]

E.) "You're wearing that ironically and I think I love you"

[See Double You]

E.) All of the above.

[Tejicano]

F) "You look really good in it but I think you without it would be even better"

[The Hyperbole]

I'm confused by (B) is she riding you as if you were a unicorn or in the manner in which a unicorn would ride?

[Cdr Lytton]

I think it's a pegging reference.

[Blueman]

Not a bad idea. I'm certainly unable to watch the actual debate without barfing.

[Crusty Juggler]

From Rand's twitter:

Dr. Rand Paul ?@RandPaul 54m54 minutes ago

I agree with @MartinOmalley again "What Hillary Clinton just said is not true" They could just put that under her on the screen all night.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Martin O'Who?

[Tejicano]

Forehead tattoo

[GILMORE?]

regarding hillary.... will this be the first election in US history where much of the country really doesn't care at all about what the person's policy views are, and entirely about their political-identity?

I'd say Obama was that guy, but in fact he really did sell himself on the idea of being "Anti-Iraq" in a way that hillary was not in 2008, therefore it doesn't work.

[coloraDOOM]

This one goes to eleven.

[See Double You]

I really, really hope identity politics has reached its ceiling (nadir?) this election cycle. Jesus, this country needs it to.

[Tejicano]

...well, if you look at what his policies have done to improve Iraq you could say that "anti-Iraq" would have been a correct label.

[Suell]

Wait a second. There's a debate tonite?

[Sevo]

Yeah, it isn't as if Saturday night is camo enough: "Let's put it on Sunday night after a couple of playoff games and draw 8 or 10 viewers! "
Great idea, Hill!

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Just DWS pushing the Coronation button.

[Agammamon]

Actually - it *is* a great idea for her.

She has a TERRIBLE stage presence. This way she gets to 'do a debate', hardly anyone sees what an arse she is, and the media can just go ahead and report that she 'won it' the next day without fear of contradiction.

[Tejicano]

I'm waiting for the media to start reporting that she "won the debate" before it is even started. It's like a $20 prostitute feigning to be coy. "Really?"

[Sevo]

OK, for those who want to wallow in a lefty rag's take on the 'debate':
"The Latest: Updates from the Democratic presidential debate"
http://www.sfgate.com/news/sci.....765895.php

[Sevo]

Random pull quote:
"Hillary Clinton says that "every single American should be outraged" by the water crisis in Flint."
I really haven't followed it, but I do know the (R) Guv is asking for aid. And my question is 'how did it get that way?'
From Wiki:
"Late 20th century: Deindustrialization and demographic changes
Since the late 1960s through the end of the 20th century, Flint has suffered from disinvestment, deindustrialization, depopulation and urban decay, as well as high rates of crime, unemployment and poverty. Initially, this took the form of "white flight" that afflicted many urban industrialized American towns and cities. Given Flint's role in the automotive industry, this decline was exacerbated by the 1973 oil crisis and the U.S. auto industry's subsequent loss of market share to imports.
In the 1980s, the rate of deindustrialization accelerated again with local GM employment falling from a 1978 high of 80,000 to under 8,000 by 2010. Only 10% of the manufacturing work force from its height remains in Flint. Many factors have been blamed, including outsourcing, exporting jobs abroad, moving jobs to non-union facilities, exorbitant overhead, and globalization."

I'ma guess typical UAW demolition of jobs, strong pub-sec unions, taxpayers shafted as a result, not money for infrastructure, and the D douchebags screaming about a R governor.
Do I have it?

[Agammamon]

You know what would stop 'white flight' - exit visas. Leaving an economically depressed part of the country is unpatriotic and racist. They should be forced to stay and fix they own town before being allowed to move somewhere else just to wreck it.

[Suell]

Look, you can't just stop at having whites get an exit visa to leave. There is also the problem of gentrification, where too many arrive. Visas both ways and let's throw in any model minorities while we're at it.

[Notorious UGCC]

Yeah, it's not as if they're from their homes to some place where they would have better opportunities like Americans of all races have done since forever. No, they were doing fine where they were but because they were *racist,* they decided to just get up and move, because they hate anyone who isn't white.

[Notorious UGCC]

*moving* from their homes to some place

[Gojira]

Pretty much. Though I'm seeing all kids of leftist glee at a small-gov't, anti-federal, racist, misogynist, homophobic rethugliKKKan having to beg the hated FedGov for some of that deficit printed money he's supposedly against.

[Sevo]

"Though I'm seeing all kids of leftist glee at a small-gov't, anti-federal, racist, misogynist, homophobic rethugliKKKan having to beg the hated FedGov for some of that deficit printed money he's supposedly against."

Yeah, I caught more than a taste of this on another site last week and I wasn't about to 'sign up' to point out that he's doing nothing more than asking the union-supported, UUUUGE-gov't types to please clean up the mess they've left.

[sasob]

What I'd like to know is why in hell are they using lead pipes for plumbing? Weren't the dangers of that recognized, oh, about a hundred years ago?

[Sevo]

Holy cow! I just checked the comments; 9 total, and all anti-Ds.
It looks like, in SF, not a single D-bag could be bothered to comment, which is a pretty strong indicator that they couldn't be bothered to watch.
Hill WINS! She's made herself the contentless, identity candidate who is running on 'it's her turn!'

[pogi chips for liberty]

9 comments, 7 of which were from the same person so only 3 people actually commenting. Lively bunch.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Hill WINS! She's made herself the contentless, identity candidate who is running on 'it's her turn vagina!'

FTFY

[buybuydandavis]

"Republican Jeb Bush is the only other major presidential candidate livetweeting the debate."

Is his mom following his feed? I hope so. It would be sad if absolutely no one followed him.

[brady949]

It's sort of sad and cute that you called Jeb! a "major" candidate.

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[Pompey]

Oh good, the comments were lacking a certain flavour of screeching ass until your comment, Mike. Well played.

[Ship of Theseus]

This guy isn't for real, right? Does he know what a Theocracy is?

WTF is the "Christian Taliban"? "Christofascist cult"? I thought we libertarians were against this collectivism stuff...

Dear Wacko Hihn:

Please stop smoking that stuff you've been smoking. It's making you retarded.

[See Double You]

Interesting how "tent revivals" = "pandering to the Christian Taliban [sic]."

Fuck off, Hinh. I get you hate Christians and even the word "right," but that does not mean Rand and Ron advocate for a theocracy, you mendacious twat.

[DesigNate]

Man, I think you might hate Christians even more than Shrike, and that's saying something.

[See Double You]

100% of libertarians reject Michael Hihn.

[See Double You]

I've always had a strong preference for issues of substance, versus vacuous personal attacks devoid of ... anything.

You lie.

One reason we have NOTHING to show after 40 years ... except a father-son Christofascist cult, seeking a theocracy.

[Ship of Theseus]

You're an epic fucktard who is equating the Muslim Taliban with Christians in the USA. I'm not down with a Theocracy here either, Christian, Hindu, or any other kind. But, you're a fart lost in a tornado if you think that's coming here.

Seriously, stop smoking that shit, it makes you paranoid (and stoopid).

[Ship of Theseus]

Have you ever made a coherent point, or is all the ramblings of a madman?

[Ship of Theseus]

I was going to blame your nonsense on early-onset Alzheimer's, but apparently it wouldn't be that early for you.

Here's where you need help, my friend: You are going to influence exactly 0 people with your blithering nonsense about a Christofascist cult or a Theocracy.

What exactly is your point that the Libertarian label is rarely adopted? WHO CARES? It isn't about the label, it's about the idea(s). If you could stick to making a cogent point without rambling, without unnecessary bolding and waving your hands like a wild-eyed apocalyptic lunatic, maybe I could have an intelligent discussion with you.

[Ship of Theseus]

Oh good, you've gone ahead and bolded everything just to prove my point.

Man, I don't know what your problem is. And no, I don't get your point. Libertarians reject the libertarian label... soooo? Libertarianism is wrong? The label is meaningless? People are weird?

Can you try to explain what this has to do with...anything?