Election 2016

Rand Paul on Daily Show: Gov't Shouldn't Tell You What To "Smoke, Drink, and Eat"

The "libertarianish" senator lays out vision of limited government while sipping bourbon with Trevor Noah.

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Rand Paul may not be in tonight's Republican debate but he did a media blitz of sorts yesterday, including hits on MSNBC, Fox, and CNN and ending with an extended interview on The Daily Show. Watch the two-parter below as the Kentucy senator swill bourbon with host Trevor Noah and says the federal government shouldn't be "able to tell you what you "smoke, eat, and drink."

States, says Paul, should decide many such issues, though he also says that "there are rights that supersede state's rights" in a discussion of antidiscrimination laws.

Noah starts off by saying that he's going to take a shot every time Paul doesn't answer a question. Paul is pretty straightforward in his responses, including a back-and-forth about foreign policy, in which he emphasizes that the government needs to keep people safe but that it also needs to think through the ramifications of its actions: Is making sand glow and bombing civilivan populations going to create more or fewer terrorists down the road?

While Paul ducks a few direct questions (for instance, he never quite stipulates whether he thinks states can ban same-sex marriages), he lays out a vision of seriously limited government without apology. It's a genuinely engaging conversation, and much of the credit goes to Noah, who brings up issues fairly and openly (he introduces Paul by noting that he's had a crush on him since the first GOP debate last year). This is especially the case in the discussion about gun control that closes out part two. More of our political conversations should be along these lines.

It's a continuing frustration to me (and I'm sure many others) that many if not most of legacy media (a category that now includes basic cable!) rarely hosts longer segments in which guests are forced out of 20- or 30-second bullet points. You go back and watch the old shows hosted by the likes of Mike Douglass, Dinah Shore, and Merv Griffin (not to mention other fare such as Firing Line and The Dick Cavett Show) and you'll see more engaged political conversation than on much of today's cable news channels.

Paul is definitely (re)channeling his libertarianishism in recent outings, which is good to see. Whatever happens in Iowa and beyond, the policies and positions that made him the "most interesting man" in the Senate and politics (according to Reason, Time, and others) are well worth injecting into more discussions of politics.

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  1. First Bowie, now Alan Rickman.

    I wouldn’t want to be a 69 year old famous Englishman this week.

    1. The Rule of Threes has been unusually nasty so far in 2016.

      1. Someone please tell me Piers Morgan just turned 69.

        1. I would much rather see Piers Morgan die than Bowie or Rickman.

    2. The famous actor Allen Rickman I know is still OK.

    3. Cancer. Ain’t it great?

  2. Mike *Douglas*.

    No wonder there’s no by-line.

    1. He also failed to mention my favorite — Phil Donahue. Now, Mr. Marlo Thomas is as bleeding heart as they come, but he let his guests speak. His series with Milton Friedman was really interesting and considerate.

  3. “Government shouldn’t…”

    /Hisssss. Boooo. Hissss.

  4. Noah starts off by saying that he’s going to take a shot every time Paul doesn’t answer a question.

    I hope he doesn’t try the same thing with Hillary. He’ll be dead of alcohol poisoning before the show is over.

    1. I hope he DOES try the same thing with Hillary. It might make the Daily Show watchable.

    2. He could promise to take a shot and puke it up each time Hillary doesn’t answer a question.

    3. He needs to have the 9-1-1 predialed, or at least the 9 and the 1.

      1. The real number is 9-1…..2

    4. Should take a bong hit each time.

  5. I don’t care for the jeans. Basic cable or not, this is a television appearance.

    1. He’s a Man of The People, Eugene.

  6. I like this Paul guy.

    1. Apparently he’s running for President.

      1. You know who else ran for the top executive office of a country?

        1. Jihadi John?

          1. Francisco Franco?

            1. He’s still dead, right? (speaking of legacy media…)

        2. Vermin Supreme?

  7. Nice to see Rand stop trying to appease both sides and getting back to his roots. Might be too little too late, but stranger shut has happened. On a side note, where is this state called Kentucy located at? Hard to take articles seriously where the grammar is incorrect and the proofreading is for shit. Spellcheck. Learn how to use it.

    1. Oh the irony. I deserve that.

      1. I think shut might be clever. You should consult Urban Dictionary.

      2. I think shut might be clever. You should consult Urban Dictionary.

    2. Internet Rule # 39: Any post criticizing spelling or grammar will itself contain an error.

    3. I just assume it was one of those extra States Obama counted…

      1. The extra states consisted of those things the Canadians call Provinces, plus Libya.
        Why Libya? So that we could justify going to war without congressional authorization.

        1. Did Libya try to secede or something?

    4. Hard to take articles seriously

      It’s not an article, it’s a post. There is a difference.

    5. Can’t you believe Randy’s just saying what he thinks, whenever he feels like it, instead of searching for temporal patterns & imagining he’s appeasing or pandering to 1 side or another at different times?

    6. What roots? From day one Rand has been trying to disassociate himself from the libertarian label. He said so, repeatedly.

      He says he isn’t a libertarian, but libertarians continue to try to make him into the candidate that never was.

  8. ‘Watch the two-parter below as the Kentucy senator swill bourbon with host Trevor Noah’
    Grammar, how does it work?

    1. Not very well, apparently.

  9. The government shouldn’t be able to tell you what you can eat or drink or smoke? I don’t know of anybody who doesn’t agree that the government has absolutely no business telling you what you can or cannot do with your own body, what you can or cannot do or say or think or who you can do it with.

    Well, except for the Bad Things. I mean, duh, it just goes without saying that the government has an obligation to prevent you from doing or saying or thinking Bad Things. Your rights don’t give you the right to be wrong and that’s what government is there for, to correct you when you’re wrong.

    1. Bad Things ? You mean…..(flash of lightning, crash of thunder)…SIN ?

    2. “that’s what government is there for, to correct you when you’re wrong.”

      Like people playing the lottery? Should the government shut down the lottery due to the fact that the vast majority of competitors are wrong?

    3. Or the Good Things you need to improve your health that the medical mafia gets their rent seeking profits from.

  10. It’s a continuing frustration to me (and I’m sure many others) that many if not most of legacy media (a category that now includes basic cable!) rarely hosts longer segments in which guests are forced out of 20- or 30-second bullet points. You go back and watch the old shows hosted by the likes of Mike Douglass, Dinah Shore, and Merv Griffin (not to mention other fare such as Firing Line and The Dick Cavett Show) and you’ll see more engaged political conversation than on much of today’s cable news channels.

    Yes. Now it is mostly strategists spinning whatever in their favor for five minute, and then a commercial, and then on to the next nonsense.

    1. It’s a cliche to complain about kids these days, but I do believe that my parent’s generation (children of the Depression, adults during WW II) were more mature and serious people than today’s leaders and pundits, who apparently can’t conceive of ever going to bed hungry. They are doing real damage, and don’t even know it.

      1. Back in my day…

        We get it. What should instead be focused on is the nature and control of advertisement. Adds in your day were simple, ignorable, and recognizeable. Now we have UMD shilling for chocolate milk and “1 in 4” women being raped in college, allegedly.

        The generation of cautious optimism begat a generation of maladjusted disappointments which begat a generation of overprotected porcelain dolls. You want to blame someone, blame the parents of the Helicopter Parent. Only a fool blames an incompetent for incompetence.

  11. It’s a good thing that he runs from libertarianism while he is trying to land the GOP nomination, then runs back to it after he’s been effectively eliminated from the race?

    1. Saying that the federal government shouldn’t be able to ban stuff but that states can ban stuff is NOT libertarianism.

      1. It is when you’re talking federal law.

      2. It is when you’re talking federal law.

      3. It is when you’re talking federal law.

      4. It is when you’re talking federal law.

  12. You go back and watch the old shows hosted by the likes of Mike Douglass, Dinah Shore, and Merv Griffin (not to mention other fare such as Firing Line and The Dick Cavett Show) and you’ll see more engaged political conversation than on much of today’s cable news channels.

    Holy shit, Nick, how could you leave Donahue off that list?

    Phil was a 200 pounds of twittering liberalism stuffed into a cheap suit, but the guy did multiple hour long shows with Milton Friedman and he let him talk as much as he wanted.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EwaLys3Zak

    1. But let’s be honest, interrupting Friedman would likely result in unintentional but extremely patronizing intellectual correction and thought shaming from the man, especially with that Chicago School smile that Posner uses all the time. It is a smart liberal that facilitates debate, as economists have no emotion.

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  14. I listen to all these politicians on both sides and then you listen to Rand. I just can’t figure out why people are drawn to either a big government message or some angry loud war pounding when there is such a calm steady voice of reason in the room. True conservative. Make a helluva President.

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  16. Libertarian calls against non-discrimination laws that include gay people will be a lot more persuasive when libertarians actually *do* something about non-discrimination laws that include religion.

    Until then, they’re saying (by their actions) that a baker can throw me out on my ear because of his religion, follow me into my (hypothetical) comic book shop, and I am forbidden from throwing that baker out on his ear because of his religion. Freedom for him, not for me.

    You want to persuade me that libertarianism isn’t basically selfish? You’ll stop telling me to respect his freedom while you do nothing about mine.

    1. If the baker is compelling you to sell him Chick Tracts, you are not required to sell them. Actually, maybe you will be required to sell them now – isn’t forced association a wonderful thing?

    2. You should be free to kick that person out of your store for any reason you like. His freedom of religion doesn’t give him the right to trespass on your property or force you to sell him things.

      Bakers that receive anti-gay orders from groups like the Westboro Baptist Church should have the freedom to reject the orders too.

      1. “Should be” is a wonderful phrase.

        The problem is that “should be” is not “is”.

        So sure, Libertarians/libertarians say I “should be” allowed to be as vicious and nasty as the baker, but that doesn’t change the fact that I’m *not*. And that Libertarians/libertarians, based on their actions, have no intention of doing anything about that.

    3. Are these examples of actions from real life?

    4. “No soup for you!” Was there any implication by the TV show that that was illegal IRL?

  17. OSHA also took on the passive smoking fraud and this is what came of it:

    Reference Manual on Scientific Evidence: Third Edition

    This sorta says it all

    These limits generally are based on assessments of health risk and calculations of concentrations that are associated with what the regulators believe to be negligibly small risks. The calculations are made after first identifying the total dose of a chemical that is safe (poses a negligible risk) and then determining the concentration of that chemical in the medium of concern that should not be exceeded if exposed individuals (typically those at the high end of media contact) are not to incur a dose greater than the safe one.

    So OSHA standards are what is the guideline for what is acceptable ”SAFE LEVELS”

    OSHA SAFE LEVELS

    All this is in a small sealed room 9×20 and must occur in ONE HOUR.

    For Benzo[a]pyrene, 222,000 cigarettes.

    “For Acetone, 118,000 cigarettes.

    “Toluene would require 50,000 packs of simultaneously smoldering cigarettes.

    Acetaldehyde or Hydrazine, more than 14,000 smokers would need to light up.

    “For Hydroquinone, “only” 1250 cigarettes.

    For arsenic 2 million 500,000 smokers at one time.

    The same number of cigarettes required for the other so called chemicals in shs/ets will have the same outcomes.

    1. So, OSHA finally makes a statement on shs/ets :

      Field studies of environmental tobacco smoke indicate that under normal conditions, the components in tobacco smoke are diluted below existing Permissible Exposure Levels (PELS.) as referenced in the Air Contaminant Standard (29 CFR 1910.1000)…It would be very rare to find a workplace with so much smoking that any individual PEL would be exceeded.” -Letter From Greg Watchman, Acting Sec’y, OSHA.

      Why are their any smoking bans at all they have absolutely no validity to the courts or to science!

      1. “Why are their any smoking bans at all they have absolutely no validity to the courts or to science!”

        Lochner a dead letter & “rational basis” can justify anything.

  18. He should have asked Noah in return if a black baker should be forced to bake a cake for a known klansman. Ask him if a Jewish baker should be forced to bake a Nazi wedding cake.

    1. “Are you trying to compare gay people to Nazi’s? You homophobic rethuglican!” ~ Progs

      1. Considering the hate that comes from the homophilic side, I would say they are about the same, at times!

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  19. I don’t get how Americans who should have been taught about freedom, personal liberty and the US constitution in school can not support for Rand Paul. It must be that the “Washington Machine” is either manipulating votes or the people that vote.

    1. Free Shit Freedom.

      It’s pretty simple.

      1. greater than

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  21. JOINT STATEMENT ON THE RE-ASSESSMENT OF THE TOXICOLOGICAL TESTING OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS”
    7 October, the COT meeting on 26 October and the COC meeting on 18
    November 2004.

    “5. The Committees commented that tobacco smoke was a highly complex chemical mixture and that the causative agents for smoke induced diseases (such as cardiovascular disease, cancer, effects on reproduction and on offspring) was unknown. The mechanisms by which tobacco induced adverse effects were not established. The best information related to tobacco smoke – induced lung cancer, but even in this instance a detailed mechanism was not available. The Committees therefore agreed that on the basis of current knowledge it would be very difficult to identify a toxicological testing strategy or a biomonitoring approach for use in volunteer studies with smokers where the end-points determined or biomarkers measured were predictive of the overall burden of tobacco-induced adverse disease.”

    In other words … our first hand smoke theory is so lame we can’t even design a bogus lab experiment to prove it. In fact … we don’t even know how tobacco does all of the magical things we claim it does.

    The greatest threat to the second hand theory is the weakness of the first hand theory.

  22. He’s on the spectrum, the Libertarian one, not the autistic one, so we can stop calling him libertarianish. It would be political suicide to be an anarcho-capitalist, so perhaps he intends to use his political career as the first step America takes toward the “logical conclusion.”

    1. You know who else had a “logical conclusion” to his nation’s woes?

  23. Mummies’ clogged arteries take smoking, fatty foods, lethargy out of the mix

    By Tom Valeo, Times Correspondent

    Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:30am

    You do everything right: You exercise every day, include lots of fruits and vegetables in your diet, never smoke, minimize the stress in your life and take medication to keep your cholesterol and blood pressure under control. You’re preventing modern life from ruining your heart, right? ? Well, maybe modern life isn’t as much of a problem as merely living. CT scans of 137 ancient mummies from three continents show that our ancestors had plaque in their arteries, too, even though they never smoked, never tasted ice cream or pork rinds, and had no choice but to exercise vigorously every day of their lives.

    According to the study, which appeared recently in the Lancet, at least one-third of the mummies, who lived as long as 5,000 years ago, had arteries that had narrowed as a result of atherosclerosis ? the buildup of fatty deposits in the arterial wall. Apparently the cardiovascular system has a tendency to clog up over time.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/a…..ix/2114897

  24. Glad to see that Rand is skipping the early debate debacle tonight and is taking it directly to the people

    1. I expect he’ll be running for President again in 4 or 8 years, depending on who wins next November.

      1. he’ll run again in four years, regardless.

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  36. Paul weaseled around the freedom of association question twice (should the federal government step in to prevent private businesses from serving certain customers?) But otherwise, he spoke fairly eloquently. Too little, too late, I’m afraid.

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