More Than 700 Pilgrims Die in Stampede at 'Stoning the Devil' Portion of Muslim Hajj
Death toll expected to rise.

More than 700 pilgrims have died in a stampede in Mina, Saudi Arabia, on one of the last stops of the Hajj, the pilgrimage to Mecca required to be taken by all able-bodied Muslims. CNN reports:
The stampede occurred Thursday morning during the ritual known as "stoning the devil" in the tent city of Mina, about 2 miles from Mecca, Islam's holiest city.
Hundreds have been killed in past years during the same ceremony, and it comes only 13 days after a crane collapse killed more than 100 people at another major Islamic holy site, the Grand Mosque in Mecca…
In the ritual, crowds of pilgrims throw stones at three pillars in a re-enactment of when the Prophet Abraham stoned the devil and rejected his temptations, according to Muslim traditions.
In Thursday's stampede, pilgrims were walking toward the largest of the pillars when there was a sudden surge in the crowd about 9 a.m., causing a large number of people to fall, the state-run Saudi Press Agency said, citing civil defense officials.
This is not the deadliest event during the "stoning the devil" activity—more than 1,400 pilgrims died in a pedestrian tunnel in Mina during a stampede in 1990. More than 900 people have died in Mina during the stoning of the devil since the 1994 Hajj, not counting today's death toll, which is expected to rise. More than 4,000 people were injured.
Some Egyptian officials began to call for Saudi Arabia to reform administration of the Hajj or to relinquish the responsibility after the September 11 crane collapse. Those ideas aren't new, and control of Mecca and Medina, the two holiest sites in Islam, is a major component of Saudi Arabia's claims of being a leader of the Muslim international community.
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What a pity.
Hard to pity morons but sure, go ahead.
...but pity stayed his hand. "It's a pity I've run out of bullets," he thought, as he went back up the tunnel...
Boy, i can't wait to see what kind of shit comments end up in this thread.
A man was walking his dog through the graveyard when he saw another man crouching behind a gravestone.
"Morning!" he said.
The other man replied, "No, just having a shit."
Woman goes to court for shitting all over her ex-boyfriends guitar collection. Judge asks "First offender?" Girl replies "No, first the Gibson, then the Fender".
She left the Gretsch and Guild alone...nice.
A man was having problems with premature ejaculation so he decided to go to the doctor. He asked the doctor what could he do to cure his problem ...
In response the doctor said, "When you feel like you are getting ready to ejaculate try startling yourself". That same day the man went to the store and bought himself a starter pistol. All excited to try this suggestion out he runs home to his wife.
At home his wife is in bed, naked and waiting on her husband. As the two begin, they find themselves in the '69' position. The man, moments later, feels the sudden urge to come and fires the starter pistol.
The next day, the man went back to the doctor. The doctor asked, "How did it go?". The man answered, "Not that well ... when I fired the pistol my wife shit on my face, bit 3 inches off my penis and my neighbor came out of the closet with his hands in the air!"
A pirate walks into a bar with his ship's wheel hanging from his belt buckle. The bartender asks "What's with the wheel on your belt?". The pirate replies "Arrrr matey, it's drivin me nuts!"
That's not a shit joke. Fail.
It was a shitty though.
Shitty joke. Reply fail.
Stampede? Just like a bunch of dumb animals.
/derp
Damn. That was the sarcastic comment I was going to post.
What, are we supposed to venerate people willing to stampede over their fellow humans to engage in some asinine ritual? These people are delusional to the point of dangerousness. Sorry if that's not PC enough for you.
Who said anything about "venerate"?
crazyfingers
ironic!
Whose ass did you get your dick bent in this morning?
LOL you're the one sucking Muslim dick, like a good liberal.
I really don't even care. They brought it on themselves. That's all that needs to be said.
Yes, all sorts of liberals here.
Do you spend the day searching Google for stories about Muslims and this is how you ended up here for the first time?
Wow. Such brave. Much Trump.
lol. is he sooni or a shit?
What the shit?
So anything short of declaring all Muslims to be sub-human animals is sucking dick and veneration? Gotcha.
It's like a great big Who concert.
Too soon?
Too late. Almighty JB beat you to it.
A) Nobody said anything about venerating anyone.
B) Are you talking about the stampede in MIna or Black Friday at any large retailer?
We didn't have to wait very long, did we?
I called it, but it's not the sort of victory one celebrates.
Smells like American
That would make some sense.
Yes, this exactly. They're a bunch of morons.
These people are fucking martyrs, man. If we can't condescend to venerate the very martyrs then who in tarnation can we do it to? Remember: Preti?sa in consp?ctu Dei est mors sanct?rum ?ius!
Just don't protest the Saudi government's handling of this matter, or you may find yourself beheaded and crucified.
Nature is always happy when the herd thins itself.
Gawker wants to make fun of religious deaths, but they are Muslim deaths so it haz confused sad.
Yet the commenters have taken the opportunity to bash Catholics for whatever reason.
Exactly. Let them worship the Pope in peace.
It's always a good time to bash any religion.
I did laugh at this.
I've never seen a neck roll beard before.
Would (if that's a chick).
Not as funny as I thought it'd be.
Stupid sexy flanders.
From the Gawker comments
Yeah, because the Muslim countries don't have *any* of those. each guy in ISIS only ever shoots one person, then he retires to cutting throats and beheadings in between demolitions.
First time i read that I thought you said "dimensions", and I was confused about the ISIS terrorists traveling around the multiverse.
"They should bring me in to run this thing. No one does Hajjes like I do. It'll be really classy too. We'll have showgirls to whoop up the entertainment. And live Mexicans to play the devil. And ice cream vendors for the kids.
You can rest assured, we've never had any stampede coming into any of my casinos.
I'm telling you It'll be YUGE!!"
/Trump
Can we send him to Saudi Arabia? I bet he'd also get 30% support there.
He's got people . . . got people who know and tell him every day . . .
Were they at least successful in killing the devil? Seems like an important detail.
Seems like they shouldn't have to do it every year. Is he on some kind of annual reincarnation schedule?
"Ok, everyone: listen up. We're going to have a nice, orderly stoning today. No one got trampled when Abraham stoned the devil, so we don't need that today. Now, I know you people get really excited when it's time to throw rocks at evil, or kill the evil doers, etc., but we really don't get anywhere accidentally trampling the other faithful. So, we're going to form a nice, single file line, and each take turns.... Ow. Who threw that? We're not ready... Hey! Stop pushing! Don't all go at once! Help! ......aaaaaaaaarrrrggggghhhhh!"
The world is pretty much a cut and paste of Monty Python at this point.
Next - Monty Python's skit on Pakistani Wedding Processions trying NOT to be droned!
/modern update
I only *said* 'this pillar is good enough for Jehovah'.
"There aren't any women here, are there?"
This is not the deadliest event during the "stoning the devil" activity?more than 1,400 pilgrims died in a pedestrian tunnel in Mina during a stampede in 1990. More than 900 people have died in Mina during the stoning of the devil since the 1994 Hajj, not counting today's death toll, which is expected to rise. More than 4,000 people were injured.
If these people had more religion and structure in their lives, they wouldn't act like this.
So, logically, if that many people are throwing stones at the same wall, they have to clean the stones away at some point, or the wall would be covered up by now... Do they recycle the stones for throwing next year? Are they placed somewhere, like a big pit or a warehouse? Are you supposed to bring your own stone or are stones provided for you?
So many questions.
My bet is a Jewish company cleans up the rocks each year then sells them to the following year's pilgrims.
Thread winner.
We can quit now.
We must push this company into the sea.
They probably falsify the history on those stones.
This rock right here, this rock was only thrown once by a 90 year old cripple from Jordan. Why, it's got thousands of throws left in it. There's barely any wear at all!
At usurious interest rates?
*knocks on SF's front door dressed in robes and carrying a scimitar*
Sir? If you have a moment, I'd like to discuss this pamphlet with you.
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/File:D.....kunkka.jpg
Why hello there unbeliever. Would you mind a small theological chat?
Well, much of the area is a gravel desert, after all...
Don't bring your silly rationality into this.
I kneel in penitence.
But you got to really WING that gravel or it doesn't do anything except smart.
What's the Pope got to say about this?
I might actually respect him for a moment if he said "these fuckers had it coming'.
After seeing the markets this morning, did you just give up and come over to Hit & Run?
I have to leave for the rest of the day.
I wish a productive day of posting here at H&R for each and every one of you Peanuts.
Priceless.
Scene 1: Plugs shows up.
Scene 2: It is pointed out to Plugs that his BEST MARKET EVAR! is continuing to dump.
Scene 3: Plugs: "Hey, gotta go!"
At least he didn't point to the ground and tell me my shoes were untied before running out.
Since he only wears velcro, he assumes everybody else does too.
But what is their stance on traditional sexual morality?
Stoned girls don't get pregnant.
Not true. Drunk ones also get pregnant. It's Darwinian. Most people wouldn't reproduce if this were true.
The joke, you missed it.
So that's their version of a Who concert?
I'm going to play "Trampled Under Foot" for them when I get home.
Well they are obviously Stones fans, and yet have no Sympathy for the Devil.
*squints*
AC/DC "I'm Gonna Walk All Over You" is also on the playlist.
We played it on the way to the Who concert in 1979 at the Silverdome, which was the week after Cincinnati.
My (now) wife's first concert....her father was....concerned....
Tickets were $7.50!!! Good times.
Boom! Nailed it AJB.
So no more general seating for pilgrims.
And maybe decent opening act so people flow in a little earlier.
Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own religious shrine, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the shrine!
Call it Las Vegas.
Religion of 'pedes?
Velocipedes?
Centipedes?
Impedes?
So, is Mecca the one place you actually have to stop and think about which direction to pray in?
Imagine being in an airplane in the pattern for Mecca or Jeddah. If you fly directly over the Ka'aba at prayer time, you might have an issue.
Are you allowed to fly over the Kaaba?
Well, it IS marked out as Restricted on sectional charts. Can't remember if it's R-1 or something else. Regardless, at a high enough altitude, you're basically praying straight down.
Errr..it's marked out on certain sectional charts. None of the ones I've seen online even identify Mecca/Makkah. They only have much marking around Taif.
So how much of a stickler is Allah about the hajj?
Like if you made the trip but died during the last part do you get full credit? Partial credit?
If you die on the Hajj you go straight to heaven.
Interesting. Wonder if that factors into the lack of regard for safety and order among both the pilgrims and the Saudis.
I don't know that I'd really say that about the Saudis. They've done a lot over the years to try to make the process safer.
"If you die on the Hajj you go straight to heaven."
.... uh, what direction do you take if you die in non-Hajj-related circumstances, then?
I mean, that seems a little unfair. So you've been a good moozie your whole life, then you die, and .... "Hey!? What's the deal with the obstacle course? And then the garden maze.... and then... triathalon? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?"
If the rock is at least in flight, you're good. Anything before that means you don't hate the devil enough and you're going to meet him.
Why does Allah hate them so?
Have they no wastrel orphans to stampede in their place?
Stoning women is one thing, but stoning the devil, too? Religion of peace my ass!
But seriously, guys, seriously: this is a stupid tragedy. The death toll keeps rising and it's fucking ridiculous and depressing. A stampede? C'mon.
Tragedy is when I stub my toe.
Comedy is when 700 moslems stampede to death.
To paraphrase Mel Brooks.
Sure, speed up the footage and set it to Benny Hill music, and I'd laugh a whole lot.
But a stampede is one of the dumbest ways for humans to die. We're not just animals! We're human beings!
In large crowds I'm not sure there is much difference.
Actually, there is. I don't recall where I read it this morning, but I learned that unlike ants and water buffalo and whatnot, humans never developed how to manage themselves in a large crowd. Swarming ants use pheromones to know where their fellow ants are that they are unable to see was one example cited.
Right, that's what's so infuriating and depressing about it. It's a great weakness of ours.
I will say this: as stupid and backwards as the hajj is, the fact is Westerns trample each other on Black Friday rushing into Walmart or at sporting events and concerts.
It's more of a crowd psychology issue than anything religious.
Mob mentality? Fuck you, you lousy fucking piece of shit faggot!
/soccer hooligan
Westerners trample one or two people. If it is a really bad black Friday we might get up to twelve, and most won't die. We don't have an equivalent for seven hundred people being trampled to death and four thousand being injured.
Seriously, as horrible as Black Friday is to the average person with a sense of dignity and personal space. casualties rarely even approach double digits.
Devil 700, Muslims 0*
(*If Mo had really scored a hit on his first go, why would anyone need to keep trying?)
more like 3000-0 if you go back 25 years. At some point they just have to give up and give the devil his due. Maybe they could lure into a oud duel or something. It worked when he came down to Georgia.
Muslims killing muslims
Time for the custodian of the two holy mosques to get his mop out.
When was the last time we had a good old fashioned stampede in these United States? We don't even get close to 700 trampled ever.
List of Human Stampedes
November 28, 2008: A worker died at a Long Island Wal-Mart after being trampled in a Black Friday stampede.[28]
February 20, 2003: 100 killed in The Station nightclub fire in Rhode Island, many of them trampled.
December 28, 1991: Nine people killed and 29 injured outside at a charity basketball game at City College New York promoted by Sean Combs (aka Puff Daddy).[7]
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You will note in the list of "human stampedes" there is a remarkably frequent association with two types of populations = Muslims, and Morons.
~2,500 people have been trampled in Mecca since 1990. It may qualify as the Trample Capitol of the world.
"That's Not Good"
I can remember the station fire. That was a horrific and preventable tragedy. But still no where close to Mecca. I wonder what triggered the stampede. Were people running from danger or just overly eager to get stoned with the devil?
SF'ed it. The song great white burned the place down to.
Hey, what about us?!
/Bulls and runners of Pamplona
I think they get a pass for knowingly creating those situations.
I bet it is. But there aren't a lot of gatherings that large in the world. Particularly where everyone wants to do the same thing at the same time in the same place.
I've been debating "stupid third-world animals" vs. "yeah, but Black Friday and soccer hooligans" in my head. I think the difference is when a bunch of fat slobs break down the doors at Walmart, or get crushed against the railing at a "football pitch", they're there taking that risk because they want to. Not because they subscribe to some nutballs religion that says your stomachs will roast in hell for eternity if you don't go visit some desert shithole. That's one of the fundamental differences between western culture and the (yes, I'll say it) backwards cultures of the world. We may do some stupid things, but it's because we want to or choose to, and we won't get our heads cut off if we don't want to or don't choose to.
I think that for practical purposes, Hajj is definitely a choice they make because they want to. That part of Islam, at least, is no more backward than any other religious pilgrimage. It is just somewhat unique in the scale and in happening at one specific time.
Point well taken. I thought the same thing while re-reading my post about a half-second before reading your reply. It's absolutely something they want to do.
this is why one ought to be less than holy comfortable with people in this country importing add muslims here.
" less than holy comfortable"
"Crushed in the embrace of thousands of believers? Try the new "Hajj Neckbrace & Emergency Inflatable Device" - When its time to stone the Devil, don't end someone's crunchy doormat.... deploy our patented HN'EID, and float your way *holy comfortably* through the surging masses... You've never had a Hajj like this one!"
We should probably start worrying about "add muslims" trampling one another shortly after the Two Holy Mosques get physically and spiritually transported to, say, Kansas.
No earlier, though.
I hear the whole thing started when some one asked for the time and his friend pulled out a clock he invented.
This is why I sit patiently and let everyone else exit before I reach for my things in the overhead compartment.