Gay Marriage

Denver City Council Gets Stupid About Chick-Fil-A

Members object to allowing it in the airport because of ex-president's gay marriage opinions.

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By the way, they offer catering. I've been waiting for somebody to try do some stunt with that.
Credit: m01229 / photo on flickr

Somebody please let Denver's City Council know that fast food restaurant cashiers generally don't solemnize wedding ceremonies of any kind. They're also not known for their wedding cakes. Years after Chick-fil-A got tons of publicity over its founder's opposition to gay marriage and his financial contributions to the cause, and after the Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage recognition is the law, Denver leaders are resisting a bid from the restaurant to put a location in the Denver International Airport. This is entirely because of the opinions and previous activism of its former president, Dan Cathy. From the Denver Post:

Councilman Paul Lopez called opposition to the chain at DIA "really, truly a moral issue on the city."

His position comes despite ardent assurances from the concessionaires — who have operated other DIA restaurants — that strict nondiscrimination policies will include protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

Robin Kniech, the council's first openly gay member, said she was most worried about a local franchise generating "corporate profits used to fund and fuel discrimination." She was first to raise Chick-fil-A leaders' politics during a Tuesday committee hearing.

The normally routine process of approving an airport concession deal has taken a rare political turn. The Business Development Committee on Tuesday stalled the seven-year deal with a new franchisee of the popular chain for two weeks.

Kneich further complained that the concessionaires who would be actually operating the franchise wouldn't be able to do anything if the family that owns the restaurant decided to become politically active again or vocally express its opinion on gay matters.

The Post points out that legal scholars say that making zoning and permitting decisions on the basis of a business owner's opinions or political activism violates the First Amendment. And because the recent Supreme Court decision, the opinions of Chick-fil-A's owners on gay marriage are utterly irrelevant as a legal matter. Who cares what he Cathy family thinks about gay marriage anymore?

Apparently the assistant city attorney wasn't expecting this type of opposition by council members at the meeting and was caught off guard. He probably didn't want to actually say in open session that the City Council will most assuredly get their asses sued now if they reject the business. The Post says they'll likely have a closed-door legal meeting later, where one assumes lawyers will diplomatically explain to Kniech how much she just screwed up with her grandstanding. 

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  1. I would love this if I were Chick Fil A. It’s a guaranteed 6 figure settlement every time.

    1. I was thinking the same thing. Too bad you can’t just sue the individuals council members. Or can you?

      1. The city has deeper pockets. If you sue individually, it’s going to get tossed.

  2. BHO is not an ex president yet. Oh, you mean chick-FIL-a’s ex president. Carry on.

  3. The best reason to block them is that they will be closed on Sunday and this is a disservice to airport travelers. Not the best use of limited floor space in an airport.

    1. Chik-fil-la is always a good use of floor space. Seriously, their food is consistently delicious. I was so pissed when my college got rid of the one in our food court.

      1. Seriously, their food is consistently delicious.

        If it’s not hot and fresh on Sunday, then it’s not consistent.

        1. Most restaurants, even fast food ones, aren’t open 24/7. Consistent in this context obviously refers to when I order from the chain I receive food of the same quality and flavor every time. They could only be open for one hour at midnight on Tuesday and still be consistently delicious.

          1. I know, I’m being silly.

            Though at an airport, closing down one day a week is inconvenient as it makes less efficient use of the limited space for food service.

            1. But, it gives people more time to go outside and see the demon horse statue out front.

        2. Their store, their rules.

          But wait…some sheisskopf will come along and sue them for “discrimination”. Just wait…

      2. I only eat anti-gay chicken.

    2. They close on Sundays and they’re still in business? MARKET FAILURE

      1. I’ve always disagreed with their Sunday-closing stance, not in some anti-libertarian, force-them-to-sell-gay-wedding-cakes kind of way. Instead, I think their employees would be pissed about losing a day’s wages, probably at time-and-a-half depending on your locality’s Sunday wage laws. Just like in every other place that pays minimum wage, it’s not meant to be a family-sustaining career…it’s a shitty job where you get paid what you’re worth for the work you do. When I was a kid, I was thrilled when I had a reason to get out of the house on Sunday afternoon and earn double-time at the grocery store where I worked. But CFA franchises have always impressed me with the way they are managed compared to all the other nasty fast food joints. They might be offering enough hours and/or wage to compensate for the lack of hours on Sundays. They certainly seem to attract and retain a higher caliber of worker, at least in the front end.

        1. But their employees know about that policy going in. And since most fast food workers don’t have a regular schedule, it’s probably nice to know that any Sunday plans won’t be interrupted by work. Besides, I don’t believe most people who work on Sundays get overtime pay unless they already worked 40 hours for the week or more than 8 hours on that particular day. At least that was the law when I worked at Dominos many years ago.

        2. Dude. Then don’t apply. It’s well known they close on Sundays.

          Have people lost their minds?

          /looks down on pad.

          Looks like they have.

    3. Last I knew (for what it’s worth) airports are the one place in the world where CFA’s are open on Sunday. My profound statement is all based on one random observation flying through Atlanta on the weekend one time years ago. The parent company’s position on Sunday sales is well known and written in stone, and probably tattooed on the lower backs of their franchisees. But in most airports and places like that, the foodservice contract for the entire place goes to one (well-connected) foodservice company that negotiates an exemption for the Sunday-closing deal due to the special circumstances of being located in a 24/7 place instead of in a suburban outlot.

      1. You must hate the practice of restaurants closed on Mondays.

      2. But in most airports and places like that, the foodservice contract for the entire place goes to one (well-connected) foodservice company that negotiates an exemption for the Sunday-closing deal due to the special circumstances of being located in a 24/7 place instead of in a suburban outlot.

        Did Jesus sign off on that exception?

        1. Jesus was a Jew, so he would have closed on Saturday.

  4. What if they just told the truth: Chik-fil-A fucking sucks and they don’t want to further sully the already bad reputation of airport food by including it in their facility?

    1. I’m getting mixed reviews of the quality of their product. I’ve never been to one of their restaurants because I don’t eat anything I didn’t myself kill.

      1. It’s not really about the quality for me. It’s the recipe itself. A dry piece of fried chicken on a dry bun with a pickle, and fries that can be cut by a slicer anyone can buy on Amazon and not seasoned in any particular way, are their claims to fame. I just don’t get it. It’d rather eat a crispy chicken sandwich from McD’s.

        1. Most Americans don’t know the orgasmic pleasure of KFC’s Zinger Burger.

          Available everywhere but here, it seems.

        2. Have you not had the house sauce?

          1. I have no idea. It’s been a good 5 years since I attempted to eat there, on the advice of a chorus of “it’s aaaaaaaamazing!” and “sooooo goooooood!”

            It’s not amazing, or even good. It’s down there at Hardee’s level.

            1. Nicole is no longer the worst. You are the worst.

              1. No, Kristen can be second worst….she has a ways to go, despite her evil defamation of a tasty chikin sammich.

        3. As fast food chicken sandwiches go, Wendy’s Spicy is king.

          1. +100 Internets. They are the best.

          2. ^This

          3. Zaxby’s kickin chicken is better

        4. Chik-Fil-A carrot-raisin salad is bloody awesome. Also, I miss Dwarf Burger/Dwarf Grill/Dwarf House

          1. There’s a Dwarf House up on Pleasant Hill Road. I ordered a burger just so I could say I got one at Chick-fil-A. Stick with the chicken. They also offer a Hot Brown sandwich made with the chicken. Okay, but nothing like a good one from Kentucky.

        5. Wow, that is exactly the opposite of my experience. I’ve found that Chik-fil-a chicken is by far the best quality fast food chicken. It’s usually moist and actually recognizable as chicken (as opposed to McD’s, NTTAWWT). The fries are properly fried and taste good (I’m picky about my fries. Soft greasy fries are terrible). The Chik-fil-a sauce is delicious, and their ice cream is 10x better than any other fast food place.

        6. What the fuck is it with chicken and pickles? I understand they use pickle juice in the batter. Never had it, but it sounds disgusting.

        7. Their chicken and fries are ok; I’d take it over most fast food, but it is nothing to write home about. However, their fresh-squeezed lemonade, even with splenda, is divine. Almost indistinguishable from home-made and orders of magnitudes better than anything store-bought.

        8. I’ve always been extremely satisfied with my CFA food and dining experience. Delicious food at good prices, served by friendly people in a clean restaurant. I eat there probably 3 times a year.

          1. You misspelled “week”.

            1. Fuck no! I’m lean and mean these days. I’ve lost 10 lbs. since the last brunch meetup.

        9. You might be able to complain about a lot of things regarding Chick-fil-a, but calling it a dry piece of chicken on a dry bun is not one of them. They drop the chicken on the bun still dripping with grease. Nothing dry about it.

          Also, unless they screw up, the chicken is usually pretty moist. Still, they are a fast-food restaurant, which means the teens in the kitchen don’t always follow the little buzzer’s instructions about when to remove the food from the hot oil. So sometimes you’ll get an overcooked batch.

          For me the distinguishing feature of Chick-fil-a is their customer service. They are usually right at the top in terms of staffing, training and catering to the customer – at least as far as national chains go. We have a new chain in the area called PDQ – they have uniformly great customer service as well, but they are pretty new. So if you throw out KFC as an outlier, maybe chicken-based restaurants guarantee better customer service.

      2. “I don’t eat anything I didn’t myself kill.”

        Your front bumper must suffer lots of abuse.

      1. I’m thinking angry troll. It’s sure better than most fast food places, although personally I like zaxby better. But saying it’s worse than McDonald’s or Hardee is just plain false.

      2. She obviously hasn’t experienced nuggets right out of the fryer dipped in Polynesian* sauce.

        *I don’t care.

        1. ^^This. I experienced it today for lunch, and it was great!

  5. she was most worried about a local franchise generating “corporate profits used to fund and fuel discrimination.”
    .
    That’s weird. I’m most worried about people who steal money under threat of theft/imprisonment/death and use those funds to pursue their idiotic social justice goals.

  6. So, they want to punish a business for the private activities of its former President?

    Tell me again about how the gay rights movement is not about punishing their enemies. This takes shooting the wounded to whole new level.

    1. Well, some gay rights activists certainly are all about punishing their enemies. I don’t think that the “gay rights movement” is enough of a single unified thing to be or not be about it, though.

      1. I don’t think that the “gay rights movement” is enough of a single unified thing to be or not be about it, though.

        Yes. This is an important distinction.

        1. Crusty and Zeb are both wrong. Every single gay person has the exact same opinion about everything. That’s why sodomy has to be made illegal again. For the children. The little eventual-sodomite children.

          1. You will eat your faggot cake and you will enjoy it!

            1. Wrong! No fagcake for you!

          2. Let’s also ban the sale of Subaru Outbacks, just to be safe.

            1. Only the ones with the optional dog cage.

              1. I was cut off by that exact model leaving a pet store (driven by a woman who looked suspiciously similar to Billie Jean King) yesterday, so I agree.

        2. Fair point, Zeb.

          One of the gay marriage groups actually closed its doors.

          There’s still plenty roaming the battlefield, shooting the wounded. But not all of them.

          1. This is more a “politician” thing – and if Denver is anything like NYC then the city council is very likely much more leftist than the population as a whole.

            1. This is more a “politician” thing – and if Denver is anything like NYC then the city council is very likely much more leftist than the population as a whole.

              That’s always the trouble–you can’t make a voting constituency out of the people who just want to be left alone to live their own lives, because being politically involved only subtracts from the time they’d rather spend being left alone to live their own lives.

              1. You have just described why we libertarians have such a steep hill to climb.

                1. Climbing?!? Nobody told me there’d be climbing. Fuck that.

      2. I don’t think that the “gay rights movement” is enough of a single unified thing to be or not be about it, though.

        I don’t know about that. With the exception of Shackford here I don’t see/ hear a whole lot of gay rights activists* saying “who cares if some asshole doesn’t want to bake a cake for a gay wedding or what the former president of Chick-fil-A thinks.” Mostly I see and hear a whole lot of “Yay, now it’s our turn to be shit heads and punish people for wrongthink!”

        *Activists are, of course, almost always the loudest most obnoxious extremists on any given issue, but the “gay rights movement,” and any other political movement for that matter, is by definition populated by shrill obnoxious activists. Regular everyday gay people are, I’m sure, a different story.

        1. The first gay couple I ever met were customers of mine about 30 years ago. They were commercial fishermen.

          Even though the other local fishermen as a group were fairly redneck, the couple were accepted by the others because the couple in question went about their own business without a fuss and also because the couple were competent.

          1. It’s amazing how tolerant most people, even rednecks, are if you mind your own business and are competent at what you do.

          2. It’s a microcosm of the “Islamist” issue in the ME. Until the reasonable gay people rise up and tell the activists where they can shove it, the face of gay marriage will be poor old Christian ladies being bankrupted for not baking gay wedding cakes.

      3. I don’t think that the “gay rights movement” is enough of a single unified thing to be or not be about it, though.

        I think it’s a joke to say that any issue voting bloc is a “single unified thing,” but I also don’t think that it’s any secret that SJW Progressives call the shots in the national “gay rights movement.” Same way that the SoCons call the shots in the national “pro-life movement.”

        1. The moronic city councilwoman was not taking her marching orders from the national anything, she was just acting like a moron, because that is what morons do.

          1. she was just acting like a moron, because that is what morons do.

            I don’t buy it. She doesn’t have to be taking direct orders from “Big Gay” to know that Chik-fil-a == evil homophobes and that Obergefell == bake me cakes.

        2. That’s kind of what I was trying to say above. Single issue activists usually tend to be loud obnoxious people who seemingly don’t have anything better to do than get their panties in a wad about [insert issue here]. As such they usually drown more sensible voices.

    2. The Progressive agenda is all about retribution and payback. And if they can’t take revenge on the person(s) directly responsible for their rage they’ll settle for the nearest innocent bystander. And then they call Libertarians and Conservatives mean-spirited and cruel.

  7. Gunman tries to open fire with AK-47 on train in France, subdued by American marines with no fatalities.

    Twitter user John Van der Tol tweeted an image of what appears to be a man being restrained on a train platform.
    “Man with machine gun in Arras (France) taken down by US Marines,” he wrote.

    According to Voix du Nord, the marines heard what appeared to be the sound of a gun being loaded coming from the toilets on the train.
    They tried to detain him and the man fired, wounding three people, two of whom were struck by bullets, the newspaper reported.

    Murica.

    1. So how many ‘accidental’ broken bones do you think this guy got while the marines waited for the police to come get him? (not insulting the marines, shit head tried to murder innocent people)

      1. How badass is it that they heard the guy loading a gun from the bathroom and realized what was going on?

        Of course, it’s all a bit cut and dried, so I fully suspect Alex Jones to be proclaiming this a false flag any minute.

        1. Those “Marines” were obviously CIA undercover operatives, who gave the shooter the weapon and then were made out to be hero’s by disarming him.

          1. Hey, now – the CIA better not be moving in on the FBI’s turf!

        2. “This is the AK-47 assault rifle, the preferred weapon of your enemy, and it makes a very distinctive sound when fired at you, so remember it.”

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIv_RrgCfWs

          1. +1 walking cluster fuck

          2. Always keep your weapon pointed downrange. Off the range, feel free to shoot anywhere, even at your own troops.

    2. Damn Americans always getting involved in other people’s fights. Mind your own business, you meddling Americans!

      1. And by a couple of baby-killers, no less! There’s nothing about this that doesn’t disgust me.

    3. 20.27
      The suspect, of Moroccan origin, is known to intelligence services, AFP reports.
      20.25
      The incident happened towards the rear of the train, according to French BFMTV. The train braked repeatedly and was then diverted to Arras station.
      20.15
      The suspect is a 26-year-old Moroccan, said Sliman Hamzi, an official with police union Alliance, said on French television i-Tele.

      Hmmmm. I think I’ve spotted the motive.

      1. Hmmmm. I think I’ve spotted the motive.

        He must be one of those video gamers. It’s the only explanation for this type of violent action.

        1. I’m gonna go with white, male, anti-government extremist.

          1. He talked a lot about his “rights” as a “citizen” under the “Constitution”.

      2. The suspect worked for Uber?

      3. Someone was upset about being a virgin?

        1. That’ll change as soon as he gets sent to prison. Rape is funny when it happens to men.

          1. A French prison no less. As terrible as prison rape is, could there be anything more humiliating then being raped by a Frenchman?

            1. could there be anything more humiliating then being raped by a Frenchman

              It would probably be pretty romantic.

              1. He’d bring a bottle of wine.

      4. Small pipi?

    4. But machine guns are illegal in France, therefore this didn’t happen.

      1. They just need additional laws to make them more illegal.

    5. God damn Americans, always intervening in other people’s affairs. I hope the innocent local sues the shit out of them. I bet he got racially profiled.

  8. Hahaha, really freaking glad Kniech wasn’t a little smarter. It would have been so easy for someone in their position to make up a bull shit excuse for not allowing the chain, but the idiot just came out in the open about wanting to punish people for being associated with other people that engage in wrong think.

  9. the idiot just came out in the open about wanting to punish people for being associated with other people that engage in wrong think.

    .
    The moral preening is the end, in itself.
    Somebody not only has to hear the tree fall in te forest, they must know who cut it down, and why.

  10. F-ing Colorado’s turning into a 2nd California, Denver into a 2nd San Francisco. I’m a many-generation Colorado native and I want *out*.

    The stupid makes my eyes water as soon as I step out of my front door.

    1. Colorado is full of former Californians who fled their increasingly-Progressive state and have since done their best to make Colorado more like the place they escaped from.

      1. Colorado needs to elect Trump governor.

      2. I keep crossing cities off the list of where we’ll move when I graduate. Texas is one of the few enclaves where left-Progressivism is being held at bay. It’s too bad it’s a scorching hot plains and desert state. I enjoy my seasons and I enjoy snow.

        1. It’s too bad it’s a scorching hot plains and desert state.

          That’s west Texas. East TX isn’t desert at all, but it is still hot and humid. It’s mostly a lot of forests. The hill country of central TX around San Antonio isn’t too bad. It’s not desert, but also not as humid as east TX or the gulf coast. I’d suggest Austin too, but unfortunately it’s TX’s own little slice of Proglandia, so if you’re trying to get away from that shit I wouldn’t advise it.

          1. Unfortunately the California scourge is trying its damndest to infiltrate Texas as well.

          2. San Antonio is fantastic. Austin, I want to burn and salt.

  11. Please tell me we’re not turning into the “Portland of the rockies”. If so it might be time for me to get my white cis-hetero male shitlord ass out of here.

  12. fast food restaurant cashiers generally don’t solemnize wedding ceremonies

    In Libertopia they will.
    And you can super-size it!

    1. Super-size what? The bride? No thanks.

  13. Loki,

    Have you read the Denver Post recently?

    FYI there’s still cheap property to be had in Wyoming.

    1. Yeah, but it’s fucking Wyoming. There’s a reason it’s cheap.

  14. I would vote to keep Chick-Fil-A out of the airport because it’s terrible.

  15. Social Tolerance!

    1. Intolerance will not be tolerated!!

      1. But there’s ‘good’ intolerance and ‘bad’ intolerance. It’s good to be intolerant of ‘bad’ people with wrong beliefs but bad to be intolerant of ‘good’ people with correct beliefs.

      2. I want a ban on bans.

  16. Social signal received!

  17. Denver City Council Gets Stupid About Chick-Fil-A

    A planet where government officials act like dumbasses?

  18. “Robin Kniech, the council’s first openly gay member, said she was most worried about a local franchise generating “corporate profits used to fund and fuel discrimination.” She was first to raise Chick-fil-A leaders’ politics during a Tuesday committee hearing.”

    Robin. You silly, shallow, superfluous jack ass.

  19. OT:

    You know, I like Cramer and all, but he needs to shut the fuck up. These are the people who cause this shit, and now you want them to step up and fix it?

    Uhh, Cramer my man, you don’t demand corrective action from the people who have an unbroken track record of fucking everything up.

    “I don’t want to be so negative but we have no leadership now,” Cramer said. “None?the president, the Treasury secretary, Fed chair? nobody says anything and we need it.”

    http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/21…..p-now.html

    1. If the Fed Chair said good words they could magically stop an economic slowdown in China.

      1. And make $18,000,000,000,000 in debt feel good!

        You know, with China going where it’s going, do you wonder if… if… they’ll call in our debts?

        1. They can try, but we can’t repay them. We’ll just flip them the middle finger and stop paying our interest payments.

          1. So we’ll be like Greece if they’d have exited the Euro!

            Interesting…

            So, how fast can our printing presses go?

            1. How long does it take to press zero on a computer?

      2. Of course. TOP. MEN. can fix anything by uttering the right magical incantations.

    2. The democrats are starting to get legitimately pissed about their empty bench. I’ve seen a couple turning on Obama even because of it. It’s getting bad enough I think it might even damage his legacy, they are that mad about having the few god awful options they do.

  20. These SJW types seem incapable of imagining that punishing people for their opinions might bite them back someday. Ah well, it’s all been said. Principals not principles. Tolerance means being intolerant of others. Diversity means all right thinking people agree.

    1. This seems to be a common trait. Nearly everyone wants to outlaw something they don’t like, but they never think ahead and consider the possibility that someone, somewhere might want to outlaw something they personally enjoy. I never tell anyone how they should live their life because I don’t want anyone telling me how I should live mine.

      1. My aunt and uncle (SoCons) are just starting to come around to the idea that gov’t may not be the best way to institute morality. I’ve been telling them for 5 years that national gay marriage was inevitable, and that they needed to stop relying on government to be their moral leadership. It’s too late now, but they’re finally realizing that I was right.

  21. Robin Kniech, the council’s first openly gay member, said she was most worried about a local franchise generating “corporate profits used to fund and fuel discrimination.”

    Ah, so she has a problem with the wrong people making money, not with making profits per s?.

    He [the assistant city attorney] probably didn’t want to actually say in open session that the City Council will most assuredly get their asses sued now if they reject the business.

    He didn’t want to be the party pooper when the Council was having a field day with their bombastic pronouncements.

    1. Never interrupt an SJW when they’re in the middle of their 2 minutes hate, lest they turn their hate on you.

    2. Openly gay? I think he would enjoy being the party pooper,

  22. Governments actively proclaiming their hatred of free speech, media reports it, most of population happy to give up their rights if it means someone they don’t like gets his rights infringed by force/heckling.

  23. “Kneich further complained that the concessionaires who would be actually operating the franchise wouldn’t be able to do anything if the family that owns the restaurant decided to become politically active again or vocally express its opinion on gay matters.”

    Such sore winners!

    These activists just got the country’s highest court to set aside the laws of numerous states and allow same-sex couples to put their relationship on the same legal plane as normal marriages.

    And they’ve persuaded a significant part of the public to agree with the Supreme Court.

    But instead of dancing in the streets and giving out free hugs, they remain *pissed off* at any sign of dissent, like the princess in the fairy tale who developed bruises from a pea under ten layers of mattresses.

    It’s almost as if these activists won’t be happy until they have the chance to crush all of their opponents under their feet.

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