Carly Fiorina Ascendant, Schumer Would Nuke Iran Deal, Humorless College Students: P.M. Links

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  Fox News

  Sen. Chuck Schumer came out against the Iran deal.

• Some infighting at Fox News: Evil host Todd Starnes criticized Megyn Kelly for being too hard on the candidates.
• One more time: What various commentators thought about the candidates' debate performances.
• Everyone has seen this video of Carly Fiorina demolishing Chris Matthews, right? It's epic.
• Major Atlantic feature on the inability of college students to laugh at jokes.
• Clickhole: "8 Signs You're the Unholy Amalgamation of Personality Traits Known as the Ambivert."

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[Fist of Etiquette]

Sen. Chuck Schumer came out against the Iran deal.

Does this mean the DoJ is going to have to indict him for something???

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Is the DoJ gonna have to indict a bitch?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Evil host Todd Starnes criticized Megyn Kelly for being too hard on the candidates.

Let's repeat the mistake of not vetting a presidential candidate.

[R C Dean]

The words "Megyn Kelly" and "hard on" cannot be used in conjunction too frequently.

That is all.

[Hey Virginia! How ya doing? Still lurking to see if the commentariat is as horrible as ever? Because we are!]

[Ted S.]

I wonder what Postrel thinks about woodchippers.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

I'll be she thinks of them not at all. Cosmos don't chip their OWN wood, you know. They have "people" for that sort of thing...

[Hamster of Doom]

I don't.

[Raven Nation]

Wonder no more:

http://vpostrel.com/articles/r.....ree-speech

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

She can barely contain her glee.

[BigT]

Her problem was not the tough questions, it was her obvious bias for Bush and Huckleberry, with a smooch for Kasich and Carson on the side.

[See Double You]

Huckleberry

Damn you! As a Montanan, I demand you not infringe on our trademark!

[Fist of Etiquette]

The slut!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Major Atlantic feature on the inability of college students to laugh at jokes.

You've just been triggered.

[Mad Scientist]

I think Carlin said he gave up doing his act at colleges because the students would freak out about anything.

[Antilles]

Always liked Carlin (he and I had the same job in the Air Force), but if you listen to some of his routines now he almost comes across as a Conservative. Especially his brilliant tirade about everything the Earth has endured over the past 4 billion years and the idiocy of environmentalist's claims that discarded plastic bags will lead to our destruction.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I saw Arj Barker when I was at Berkeley. His act was pretty tame, and people were still offended.

[jesse.in.mb]

I saw Arj Barker when I was at Berkeley. His act was pretty tame, and people were still offended.

Oh look, that statement is still true with only five of the original words

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Is this the road we're going down today?

*cracks beer*

[See Double You]

"Berkeley-offended" could be a new phrase.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

"Berkeley Breathed - Berkley Offended"

[See Double You]

WHY ARE YOU SO BERKELEY-OFFENDED AL???

[BigT]

And Chris Rock

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

What does Sam Kinison say about this? Never hear from him much any more....

*puts on Lou Reed album*

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

What would all of these practicing comedians know about how humor is received by college students? Sheesh. They're only asking that comedians try not to be an asshole to people. That's it!!

[Antilles]

The sad fact is that it's impossible to say anything these days without someone, somewhere getting offended and evoking victimhood.

[L?rking McNewg?y]

I feel triggered and othered by ^^^^ this.

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

Your carat symbols are oppressive because they oppress the women who are generally more curvy and don't have pointy things like the oppressive patriarchy fuck ass bastard white oppressor cis-normative men!!!

/Average Twitter SJW

[Ted S.]

I finally reached the end of the dictionary. It turns out the zebra did it.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Can a brother get a SPOILER ALERT??!!!!

*throws down dictionary*

[Antilles]

I always read the last page of every book first just in case I die while reading it.

Extra points for anyone who knows where I stole that line from...

[L?rking McNewg?y]

Had to look it up even though I had heard it before.

When Harry Met Sally

[Antilles]

Well done. Just rewatched it last weekend with my gf (who was born the same year it came out--yikes!). Really clever script and great acting that's leaps and bounds beyond most RomComs (admittedly, a low bar).

[What's that smell?]

Actually it's from the original Harry, Harry Truman

[Suthenboy]

Not the zydeco?

[Swiss Servator, ...ouch.]

Zygotes!

[Lord at War]

Puh- lease!! Everyone knows it was Zorro...

[Notorious G.K.C.]

TL;DR but apparently student government invite comedians and pay them out of student fees - more than the comedians get paid at your normal venue.

And apparently the comedians are expected to cater to the piper who pays their tune?

By the way, let me issue a challenge - can anyone link me to a clip from a professional stand-up comic (other than Carlin's football/baseball speech) which will make me laugh out loud? Because I can't remember the last time I had that experience (aside from Carlin's football/baseball speech).

You know what I found funny - the Columbia Journalism Review, which publicized the 1982 headline "British Left Waffles on Falklands." And the student paper which said "Sir Francis Drake circumcized the world with a 100-foot clipper." When I heard those, I didn't know if I would ever breathe again, I was laughing so hard.

And that was *unintentional* humor.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

In the field of *intentional* humor, Dave Barry is of course king, but he's a writer, not a stand-up comic.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Baseball vs. Football:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmXacL0Uny0

[RBS]

Bill Burr is usually pretty funny.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Challenge accepted.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

There's one laugh...

[Notorious G.K.C.]

two

[D.D. Driver]

Doug Stanhope's bit on immigration gets me every time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVyRwWKCtKQ

[Francisco d'Anconia]

By the way, let me issue a challenge - can anyone link me to a clip from a professional stand-up comic (other than Carlin's football/baseball speech) which will make me laugh out loud?

Here. Start at 11:00.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Should I?

Probably not.

Oh, well...

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Oh, look, Sam Kiniston making fun of Christianity.

Gosh, why was I hesitant about clicking on that one?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

There was a commenter known as Francisco d'Anconia
Who sometimes acted like a real jerk
Blah blah blah blah blah
Blah blah blah blah blah
My hobnailed boot up your ass

[Warty]

Your god doesn't exist. It's okay to laugh at your childish fantasies.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Warty Hugeman wrapped his tentacles around the female dolphin.

"Let's run away, honey," Warty said. "Away from all the judgmental people who think I'm some sort of sex offender. Away somewhere where you can use your blowhole..."

The dolphin blew on a whistle around her neck.

"What's that?" asked Warty.

"It's a high-pitched whistle audible only to Japanese fisherman," she said.

"You idiot," Warty said, "you know what Japanese fishermen do to dolphins."

"Those are *whalers,*" said the dolphin. "The fishermen I'm alerting are *calamari* fishermen."

Then Warty felt the giant metal hook in his ass. He was simultaneously frightened and stimulated...

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

3/5. Needs more time travel and penile prosthetics.

[AdamJ]

Maybe you're too uptight to enjoy standup. I don't know you at all, but maybe it's you?

There are plenty of bad stand ups, but there are also quite a few good ones. Even some of the women are funny now.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Hey, I admitted laughing at some of the comedians you guys recommended to me.

So chill out, not only did I admit enjoying some of their jokes, I admitted error in making that concession.

"Even some of the women are funny now"

As opposed to shrill, humorless harpies like Mae West?

Sexist.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

And Lucille Ball and Carol Burnett? Unworthy to polish Margaret Cho's jockstrap.

/sarc

I'm still not sure I'd attend an *entire* comedy show. The few good jokes are like diamonds in a pile of...mud. Worth admiring on their own.

[Crusty Juggler]

I'm more of a spoken-word sort of guy.

[Warty]

I once went to a Henry Rollins spoken word thing. MISTAKE.

[Crusty Juggler]

Henry is who I was thinking of when I made that bad joke.

[Warty]

Well, it was triggering. You dick.

[What's that smell?]

Like the William Shatner albums?

[Antilles]

You ever seen any of Jake Johannsen's standup? He never made it big but I laugh a lot at his humor because it's so off-the-wall and weird. Check him out on YouTube...

[Notorious G.K.C.]

that's one

[Jerryskids]

Jake Johannsen is one of my favorites. And Stephen Lynch - This one, but Lullaby is a good introduction, too.

[Antilles]

Pretty funny, but that song reminds me of something similar in the musical 'Avenue Q.' That's right, I like to listen to Broadway showtunes...

[Drake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Q7jjMlH88

I sure miss Patrice.

[Crusty Juggler]

-1 diabetes.

[Drake]

This may be the funniest thing I've ever seen. Patrice annihilates a NOW Rep on Fox News (he was never invited back).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjIuPSuYSOY

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

"Pepsi Can Rapist"

I think that was his best bit.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Holy God, Patrice O'Neal also had an experience Lenore Skenazy would be all over:

At the age of 17, O'Neal was convicted of statutory rape of a 15-year-old girl and sentenced to 60 days in prison,[10] served during his summer break, so as not to disrupt his schooling.[11] The act, which occurred when O'Neal was still 16, would have been legal in most states, but Massachusetts lacks a close-in-age exception, and has an age of consent of 16.[12] O'Neal said his humor helped him to negotiate the harsh realities of prison.[11][13]

16 year old has sex with 15 year old, sent to jail for two months. The Massachusetts Legislature should never have gone full retard.

[esteve7]

I love everything from Christopher Titus

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Heh, heh...woodchipper joke.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Giggle...weightlifter joke

[SusanM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO9QIBcxR6c

Bill Hicks

[cavalier973]

Have you heard of Brian Regan?

His "I walked on the moon" routine is probably his best, but I actually prefer "The Epitome of Hyperbole". I have purchased both DVDs.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Jerry Seinfeld's bit on airplane peanuts is pretty good.

[rts]

Fentanyl brought to B.C. by organized crime, experts say

Well... no shit?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Yep. Fentanyl is super potent. Of course the black market favors the more concentrated stuff.

[waffles]

There have been a few overdose deaths related to vendors accidentally sending fent instead of whatever they thought they were getting. Given that the difference between the desired effect and serious issues is measurable in micrograms it's not surprising. Only people with serious opiate tolerances would ever willingly go to fentanyl.

[PH2050]

I'll never forget a call where the elderly patient presented as disoriented and was chewing on something. Turned out it was a fentanyl patch. Dude was high as hell.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

You never know with the patch. Freshly showered with dry skin can absorb at 10x dirty, greasy skin.

[Warty]

Fentanyl is often added to shitty stepped-on heroin to make it seem more pure than it is. Supposedly causes a lot of overdoses.

[rts]

There have been a rash of overdoses in the Vancouver area, but this time among successful white people and not downtrodden First Nations, so *now* it's a Big Problem, and the solution of course if more of the same... more police, tougher penalties for dealers, you know... all the shit that's never worked in the past.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

The solution is obvious, and never going to happen.

Nobody ever orders a beer in a speakeasy.

[Ted S.]

You mean the CBC isn't playing the race card?

[Gene]

Just the usual retard card.

[Los Doyers]

Fuck Vancouver. I couldn't call an Uber there.

[Warty]

I once accidentally walked through the gigantic heroin slum that's next to Chinatown there. What a polite dump.

[Los Doyers]

Canuckistanis take puking and rallying to the hundredth degree. When I was there, the dudes we were staying with loaded up a "care package", which was a box filled with liquor and Molson, and took it with them to this wonderful shitshow of a bar called The Pint. They hid the box full of booze in some old abandoned fridge in some piss-soaked alley and would go out every hour or two to puke and take swigs from the care package. Good times.

[Warty]

I partied with a group of Australians when I was there. They murdered the Canadians. And then we spent a very long time drunkenly trying to translate our respective bench presses between kilos and pounds. It was a disaster.

[Los Doyers]

I know you're smart enough to convert the smaller KG numbers to pounds off the top of your head.

[Warty]

In 2008 I didn't remember 2.2046 off the top of my head. Plus, I was very drunk. Plus, much too skinny.

[Los Doyers]

Like Brad Pitt in Fight Club?

[Warty]

Precisely. *sends antique dick pic*

[jesse.in.mb]

🙁

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Opiates doses are usually in millgrams. Fentayl doses are in micrograms. Very easy to overdose.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

"...Megyn Kelly for being too hard on the candidates."

She can be hard on me. I might be too much man for her, though.

[L?rking McNewg?y]

Meh. Nice camera, no film.

[Sevo]

Aldon Smith arrested for DUI, hit and run, vandalism. Released for public stupidity:
http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/ar.....431368.php

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

C'mon! Why wont they give him a second chance???

[Mike M.]

If you've lost the 49ers, you've lost pretty much everyone.

[chipper me timbers]

Raiders to sign him in 3....2......1

[Fist of Etiquette]

What various commentators thought about the candidates' debate performances.

Looks like Fox News...

[dons sunglasses]

...just got trumped.

[Red Rocks Rockin]

Fox News asks, "What's the Matter With Kansas?"

[Pope Jimbo]

Looks like The Donald's campaign

[snatches Fist's glasses and put them on]

just Trumped the shark

[Fist of Etiquette]

THOSE SUNGLASSES ARE PRESCRIPTION.

[Pope Jimbo]

Yeah they are! I looked, though, and noticed that they are prescribed to your grandmother. You are a fucking abuser who went through her stuff and stole her prescription glasses to use on the "street".

Sicko.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Maybe I just use her eye insurance card.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Rowdy Roddy Piper is Fist's Grandma???

[Fist of Etiquette]

Everyone has seen this video of Carly Fiorina demolishing Chris Matthews, right?

I don't believe in punching down.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

What about a tingle in the leg?

[Fist of Etiquette]

At the end of the exchange Chris practically admitted she almost gave him another leg thrill. She was that good.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

I know, right.

I don't want to like Carly because she's awful on policy, but, darn, is she a bitch, and I certainly mean that as the highest compliment. She knows how to handle her shit.

[Just say Nikki]

So true. I want her to be the VP nom so it will continue and she can DESTROY HILLARY CLINTON!

[See Double You]

*rubs hands together, cackles*

[Lee G]

I do.

[Hamster of Doom]

There's no street cred in picking on retards.

[John]

Sure there is. Sometimes the retards have to be put in their place. It is not Carly's fault she is the only Republican who seems willing to do it.

[See Double You]

Well, most of the other Republican candidates are also retards, so...

[John]

Yes. Only one willing and able.

[Antilles]

Carly Fiorina demolishing Chris Matthews

Matthews already did a pretty good job demolishing himself when he appeared on Jeopardy. But seeing Carly shut him down and back up her assertions with concrete examples was pretty sweet. I've said for a long time that Fiorina is a serious candidate and a force to be reckoned with.

[Ted S.]

I thought it was Thomas Friedman who beclowned himself on Jeopardy. Or was that Wolf Blitzer?

[Antilles]

Not aware of Thomas Friedman, but I actually felt sorry for Wolf Blitzer's pathetic performance on Celebrity Jeopardy. I mean, he missed easy political and current event questions that someone in his line of work should know. Plus, he's used to being in front of a camera and can't blame nervousness.

[KB Check Release]

"These people are so black and so poor."

In all seriousness I did see the Chris Matthews jeopardy and was embarrassed for him. I mean he's a dope for sure. But I never thought someone would poop the bed on politics / history questions and routinely have to be reminded to answer in The form of a question.

[jesse.in.mb]

One more time: What various commentators thought about the candidates' debate performances.

I was really looking forward to a round up of H&R commentors saying "I didn't watch the debate, but I'm still really liking that Trump guy."

[Lee G]

You just want to see the world burn, don't you?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I didn't watch the debate (Fios fucked up the cable cards in my Tivos again). I really like that Trump guy, though.

[jesse.in.mb]

Now you're just appeasing me.

[Tonio]

So if Pl?ya is Neville Chamberlain, that makes you...

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Winston Churchill??

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

No. The guy in the wheelchair.

[See Double You]

Ahem, Playa, the ADA wheelchair guy came a lot later. Duh.

[Ted S.]

I watched Blazing Saddles last night.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

I watched "Blazing Love Saddles" last night

[Just say Nikki]

How does "I didn't watch the debate, but Megyn Kelly is a stupid bimbo" work for you instead? I'm sure we can get some of those.

[jesse.in.mb]

I didn't watch the debate, but I don't believe candidate X really believes this thing that they explicitly told us they believed.

[John]

I can't believe you like Kelly that much. I expect that from guys thinking with their dicks. Hell, I usually think with my dick. But when even I can't find a reason to like someone as hot as Kelly, something is seriously wrong.

[Crusty Juggler]

Megyn Kelly is a stupid bimbo

I'd be her imbo, if you know what I mean.

[See Double You]

At the end of her "b"?

[Warty]

WHYCOME THE HOMOS JUST DON'T SHUTUP ABOUT MARRAGE

That's the H&R I've come to know and love.

[John]

They got it didn't they? Isn't the subject settled? Can't we move onto something else and agree to disagree about it? Yeah, I forgot, we must sue everyone into conformity.

[R C Dean]

See, I was thinking more:

WHAT DO MILLENIALS THINK ABOUT STUPID TRUMP'S STUPID HAIR RUNNING STUPIDLY FOR PRESIDENT.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Better trolling by the Dean of Commenters

[Tonio]

Excellent trolling, Wartster.

[Swiss Servator, ...ouch.]

*perks up out of fog, narrows gaze*

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

How are you doing?

[Swiss Servator, ...ouch.]

I feel like the French Army at Verdun...

But I just got more oxy and will now sleep!

[Warty]

PUSH THE MORPHINE BUTTON YOU IDIOT

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Errr, the fentanyl button?

[Just say Nikki]

Letter to a young baby:

When you embark on a search for a sugar daddy, the specification you'll read most often in ads will be "No pros." It is a vain hope that no professional sex workers will contact him because they frequent the same sites he browses. It is frankly foolish on his part. The most successful sugar babies I've known are not fresh-faced college girls but seasoned veterans of the sex trades who know just how much emotional labor the sugar daddy will require and can charge accordingly.
...
At some point in the arrangement, the sugar daddy might attempt to make a payment in the form of a handbag. It is possible that there is a cinematic origin to this bizarre custom of men trying to pass off portable storage as currency, but it is more likely because he wants your relationship to remain informal, a system of spontaneous gifts that cannot be priced and compared to labor-time expended. In any case, the bag he chooses will be reliably ugly and only moderately expensive.

Definitely hold out for Herm?s, ladies.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

What about Chanel? My wife has one of those, and she won't let me touch it.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Heh. That's what she said.

[Just say Nikki]

Chanel is a good second choice.

I want my Kelly.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Megyn?

kinky!

[TheZeitgeist]

Megyn?

kinky!

Kelly bag as in Grace Kelly; who in her prime made Megyn Kelly look, well, rather pedestrian to put it kindly.

[Lee G]

That's actually quite an interesting article. Thanks.

[Just say Nikki]

I thought so. Glad you liked it!

[Warty]

A big red flag on any sugar daddy's profile is an expressed predilection for acting as a "mentor." He wants to be no such thing. Ask any mentoring program in any major metropolitan area in the United States and you will find them absolutely starved of male mentors. What this man wants is an audience that is compelled to listen to him pontificate on topics like evolutionary psychology and American exceptionalism. His opinions are offensive and reliably dull.

How did she find this place???

[Just say Nikki]

Shut up, Warty, mama needs a handbag.

[John]

His opinions are offensive and reliably dull. yes and you are being paid well to listen to him and act like he is interesting. Didn't your daddy explain to you that your lady parts alone are not enough to keep a man's interest?

Seriously, these women give whores a bad name. It is a pretty piss poor whore who thinks pretending they like their clients is beneath them.

[Just say Nikki]

John, maybe you should RTFA. It's all about how sugar babies are whores, which their sugar daddies like to pretend they aren't.

IOW, didn't your mama tell you your brilliant mind alone isn't enough to keep a woman's interest?

[John]

Sure she did, but only if I didn't pay them. She sure as hell taught me to get my money's worth no matter what I was paying for.

And doesn't every guy who buys a whore like to pretend they aren't? What on earth is the point of getting a whore if not to pretend she really isn't one? Again, what the hell did these dingbats expect? You are taking money from a guy in return for pretending you like him and to have sex with him. Of course the kind of guy who is willing to do that is going to want to pretend you are not a whore and he is the one guy you really like.

[Lee G]

More specifically, it's about how sugar daddies like to pretend they aren't until that crucial moment when it actually matters. In other words, don't believe it and keep your wits about you while servicing your customer.

[RAHeinlein]

Speaking of Hermes, Birkin wants her name removed from the bag line. Who knew crocodiles would be killed to make crocodile bags?

http://www.france24.com/en/201.....e-name-bag

[Just say Nikki]

I know which Birkin is more famous now, and it ain't Jane.

[Illocust]

Sounds like it was written by someone who found out the hard way that romantic comedies are not reflections of real life. No, the businessman buying your fresh out of college ass gifts doesn't consider you an intellectual peer. No, he's not going to give you leverage to toss his ass in jail by making the monetary ruminations of your relationship explicit (you believing he should is part of the reason he doesn't consider you an intellectual peer).

I hate people that accept subservient relationships, then proceed to blame everyone but themselves for the fact that it is an unequal relationship. If the act of growing up changes what your willing to accept, that fine. Go your own way and learn from your mistakes. Hell I would even suggest you warn others that the positives don't outweigh the benefits. Just don't get two years down the road and get pissy because the other party doesn't want to change the relationship to match your new desires.

[Just say Nikki]

Sounds like it was written by someone who found out the hard way that romantic comedies are not reflections of real life.

Really? Because it seems to be written by someone who knew that, for people who don't.

[lap83]

I think she's making an inference about the writer's background that led her to that conclusion. They're not mutually exclusive

[John]

^^THIS^^ These girls apparently think that they can treat this men like they do all of their pathetic admirers they stiff for the odd dinner while still claiming to "just be friends". No honey, if you are taking this kind of cash, you don't get to just give a blowjob and go home. You have to be a real whore and pretend you like the guy.

[Just say Nikki]

John. Read the fucking article or shut the fuck up. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Hamster of Doom]

I've got him blocked. I should start answering his posts, because it's not like RTFP matters, it's easier to insert what I'm pretty sure he's saying.

Right? RIGHT?

[Los Doyers]

His handle alone is triggering at this point. What kind of stupid whore sugar baby names their kid John?

[John]

Whatever Hamster. You didn't block me and like you have anything to say anyway.

[Hamster of Doom]

Look, John, it's pretty easy to infer that your basic point is flawed. Situational irritation is real. RTFA next time and you'll find it easier to keep up the the conversation in future.

[JW]

Shut up, Hamster. Just for that, you aren't invited to his TED talk.

[iCarl]

Well, TEDx.

[Hamster of Doom]

I can't possibly see what Alan Rickman has to do with this discussion.

[Hamster of Doom]

Very sorry to hear that. Your ploy for sympathy aside, I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Reading comprehension FTMFW, brah.

[John]

I thought you blocked me Hamster?

And like I say below. I don't read the article the way Nikki and JW do. Why they can't seem to handle that without going insane and screaming RTFA is their problem not mine.

The article is written on the assumption that the girls who do this are unbelievably stupid and self absorbed.

[John]

I read the article. And it is telling these girls that they are whores and have to act like whores. The fact that the author feels to need to write it says that the she thinks these girls need to hear it, which makes everything we are saying true.

[Just say Nikki]

Everything you're saying, like the claim you're making that they're getting paid and not providing services, when the article is about how they're providing services and not getting paid? Get fucking real.

[John]

Part of being a whore is making sure you get paid. I didn't and don't see how the "don't be stupid and not get paid first" part makes any difference. The reason they are not getting paid is they are stupid and don't think they have to act like whores or what there doing is somehow not being a whore. The point still stands.

[Just say Nikki]

Good to know everything is the fault of stupid fucking whores.

[John]

=Yeah. If you don't want to be a whore, don't take a job as one. I have nothing against whores. But anyone who tries to be one and pretend that it involves something besides getting paid in return for sex and companionship is an idiot.

[Antilles]

Fact: Anyone who accepts pay in exchange for something they would not do for free is a "whore." I'm sure that applies to nearly everyone here, including myself.

[John]

Antilles,

Pretty much. There is nothing special about sex. We are all whores to some degree or another. Being a "whore" as it is known just involves sex and pretending you like it and want to be with the customer. Being a whore and not understanding that is like being a welder and understanding that it involves working in the heat a lot.

[Antilles]

Didn't read the article, but what you just wrote makes sense. The customer should get what they're paying for, and if someone is unwilling (or unable) to provide that service then they should find a line of work they are willing to do. The problem is that few jobs pay unskilled women as well as 'sex work' does.

[Hamster of Doom]

Correlation does not equal causation, John.

[John]

Hamster, correlation has nothing to do with something being analogous. We all trade physical services of some kind for money, whether it be sex or whatever. Being a whore is only different if you have some belief that sex is different than any other activity, which I don't.

[Hamster of Doom]

Addressed already above. Keep up, man.

[Just say Nikki]

If you don't want to hire a whore, don't say you're looking for someone to sleep with you in exchange for money.

[John]

If you don't want to hire a whore, don't say you're looking for someone to sleep with you in exchange for money.

Sure. But again, people who don't get that and like to pretend they are not hiring whores also tend to be the very kind of men who hire whores. So if you are not prepared to deal with a man who wants to pretend he isn't hiring a whore when in fact he is, don't become a whore because such men come with the territory. In fact the entire point of hiring a whore for most men who do so is to pretend they are not really doing it and the woman likes him. Otherwise, they would just jerk off.

[Hamster of Doom]

Saw that movie, and it's not horrible as far as analogies go, but the bit where he dies at the end rather spoils it, don't you think?

Try again, John.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Like I care what a dried up 50 year old woman has to say.

[Los Doyers]

Hmmm, yes, I would like some pics.

[JW]

When are you planning on RTFA'ing, John?

Eh, fuck that. I'm sure you have many more things to tell us about on the subject.

[John]

Do you plan to read the article? Or maybe try a second time so that maybe you can understand it this time?

[JW]

John, you are the gift that keeps on giving.

[John]

I don't know what to tell you other than I have read the article and don't think it says what you and Niki think it does. I am sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities. Maybe if you were not such a giant smug prick, you wouldn't have that problem.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they didn't read the article. It just means they don't think it means what you do. Again, try not being a giant prick once in a while and you won't have such an issue with that.

[JW]

Good 'ol dependable John. Always getting everything ass-backwards and inside out.

Holy fuck John, the article is spraying ennui like a fire hose, the author well aware of her status and like the tone-deaf conductor you are, completely miss the point. She *knows* that she's a whore, John. She *knows* what the score is. She's warning any other girl thinking about this to know what they're getting into.

Here, let me google that for you: SHE'S WRITING ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU, JOHN, ONLY WITH REAL MONEY.

[John]

She *knows* that she's a whore, John. She *knows* what the score is. She's warning any other girl thinking about this to know what they're getting into.

No shit. But the women she is writing about apparently don't and that is the entire point of the article. And that is who I am talking about giving a bad name to whores. Any woman who puts out a sugar daddy ad and has to be told the things in that article is a disgrace to whores.

[JW]

Any woman who puts out a sugar daddy ad and has to be told the things in that article is a disgrace to whores.

Not everyone is born with your dizzying intellect, John. I know that it's inconceivable to you that some people have to find out things the hard way.

[John]

Again JW, you don't agree. That is fine. But please do me a favor and just disagree and stop claiming I didn't read the article. i did. I just don't see it the same way as you do.

[JW]

You have to be a real whore and pretend you like the guy.

That's your rebuttal to the author, who spent several paragraphs talking about that very thing.

Sure, you read it. But whatever you took away had nothing to do with the actual words written on the page. It's The World According to John and everything is parsed through that filter.

[Just say Nikki]

Any woman who puts out a sugar daddy ad

The men put out the ads. Like it says in the article. And the ads say "no pros."

You motherfucker. The first paragraph I quoted was about MEN saying they didn't want prostitutes for their whoring gig.

[Hamster of Doom]

There was this dishwasher at work, who constantly asked to get off work earlier than he was scheduled. As the closing dishwasher, this meant he was asking to leave the station filthy and the dishes unfinished overnight, for proper perspective. He complained that since the bus only went by our restaurant at forty-five minutes past the hour, forcing him to finish his whole shift would waste all that extra time. I finally got tired of it and told him that I'd hate for work to interfere with his personal time so much and that I'd arrange that he should have a lot more of it by the next schedule.

Next schedule went up, and he was not on it.

John, if you think about it, this is exactly why your view is invalid. Let's see if you can piece it together.

[John]

Sorry Hamster, I don't speak obtuse idiot very well. My point is a simple one and you apparently have no answer to it. Just admit you didn't read my post clearly and thought I was talking about the author when i was in fact talking about the audience she was writing to and acting like a smug prick pretending I was talking about the author. I wasn't. The problem is not that I dind' tread the article it is that you were so anxious to be an asshole that you didn't fully understand what I was saying before you spoke.

That is fine. Everyone misspeaks or misunderstands sometimes. What is not okay is you being the one who is wrong and then compensating for it by being such a smug prick pretending it is me. No dumb ass. I read the article. You didn't read the fucking posts.

[paranoid android]

I think my favorite part of any John-fest is when he stops even trying to engage other people and starts whining about how he's the only reasonable and intellectual person in the room, right after he got done calling everyone who disagrees with him a brain-damaged retard.

[John]

Yeah Android, saying "you misunderstand what I mean" is totally not engaging with people. My favorite part on here is when you finally push people into a corner to such a degree they have no answer but can't admit they are wrong and instead start saying saying things like RTFA when I have in fact read it and they know it but have nothing else to say.

Again, Nikki and her toadies all went nuts claiming I hadn't read the article because they assumed I was talking about the author when I was in fact talking about the women she was writing too. It is really that simple. The rest is just the usual whining and smugness and anger that damn it someone has the nerve to disagree and doesn't give a fuck if it hurts various clowns' feelings.

[JW]

they assumed I was talking about the author when I was in fact talking about the women she was writing too.

Maybe you should write less stupid.

It would be a real time saver for everyone.

[John]

Or maybe you just didn't pay close enough attention JW? I am not the one who started calling people names because they didn't read the article.when in fact they had, you were. Maybe you should ask if you don't understand something? How about that?

[JW]

So, that's a 'no' on less stupid. Got it.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Maybe you should write less stupid.

Not possible.

[Hamster of Doom]

I saw that study, and the methodology was inane at best. This might clear things up a little.

[iCarl]

There's never any point in telling John to RTFA. Once he's on a roll he's impenetrable to contradictory information.

[John]

What have I said about the article that isn't true? It is an article explaining to women taking sex for money that they have to make sure they get paid and understand they are being whores and all that comes with it. What else is in the article?

[Just say Nikki]

You accused the women of failure to render services, because you had to assume there was something wrong with the women in this story so fucking badly.

[Just say Nikki]

You made up a whole story about whores who don't fuck because that's the problem with women.

[JW]

True. Never interrupt the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.

[John]

Or whatever asinine things you imagine I say. You keep talking about the article but you seem to have no grasp of what I am saying.

[Los Doyers]

Hey, wait a minute, the Germans never...

[Paloma]

Or else what? He dumps you? He may be on to the next girl anyway. Find a less boring guy to take money from.

[Just say Nikki]

Too bad he won't really give her money.

[John]

Get the money up front.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

I'm a boring Louise Vuitton girl myself - predictable but still classic.

[Just say Nikki]

A sugar daddy is going to have to step up from what I buy myself.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

So a Dora the Explorer lunch box is right out?

[jesse.in.mb]

Whoa, don't talk about Dora, if Enough About Palin shows up he might get an erection.

Enough About Palin|2.21.13 @ 5:56PM

Every word out of Dora the Explorer's mouth gets me rock hard.

Heroic Mulatto|2.21.13 @ 6:00PM

Wait, what?

Enough About Palin|2.21.13 @ 6:11PM

At the risk of repeating what I have posted here a number of times over the years, I would pay ten grand to fuck Dora the Explorer up the ass. Ten. Grand.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Or, for the love of fuck, jesse....

*barf*

[jesse.in.mb]

Look Al, it's important we keep in touch with out history as H&R commenters. Sometimes you have to look back and remember the times when EAP talked about violating an underage cartoon to remember why we are where we are today.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Dora is legal now.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Goddamnit, Playa...

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

OK, actually, I didn't barf - I laughed out FUCKING loud, at work.

I am so ashamed of myself....but that's fucking gross and funny and I WANNA PARTY WITH JESSE!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Last time he picked the place, there were umbrellas in the drinks.

Last time EDG picked the place, my Jack and Coke was garnished with a baby back rib.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

Dora needs more than a Birkin for that shit.

[Swiss Servator, ...ouch.]

You hurt me jesse...it hurts to laugh right now, and that sure as heck did the trick! Ow, dammit! 🙂

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Hey Swiss, just wanted to say...you are a good man.

Speedy recovery.

[Irish ?s ESB]

At the risk of repeating what I have posted here a number of times over the years, I would pay ten grand to fuck Dora the Explorer up the ass. Ten. Grand.

I am trying very hard not to burst out laughing at work.

[Lee G]

I didn't know EOP was actually plopper

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I SAID SHE WAS LEGAL

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I think there's one of those lying around here too.

Honestly, I don't get it.

[RAHeinlein]

PLEASE tell me you don't carry it around while wearing a velour tracksuit...that's so Jersey!

[Illocust]

Okay, where is my "humorless college students" as promised by the title?

[Rhywun]

the inability of college students to laugh at jokes

The first event me and some new college freshmen buddies went to see was Sam Kinison. I think we laughed a fair bit.

[Warty]

Everyone has seen this video of Carly Fiorina demolishing Chris Matthews, right? It's epic.

GODDAMMIT ROBBY

[JW]

It's not OK?

[Warty]

WATCH CARLY FORINA DESTROYING CHRIS MATTHEWS IN 8 ANIMATED GIFS

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

He didn't capitalize "demolishing." It's still within my tolerance.

[jesse.in.mb]

Dude, you just triggered Ted S. something fierce.

[Ted S.]

I just won't watch them. I've got my browser set up to only show cached images.

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

STOP DENYING YOUR TRIGGERS TED!!! YOU'RE A VICTIM, AND I WON'T STOP SCREAMING UNTIL PEOPLE STOP TRIGGERING YOU!!!

[Mad Scientist]

You can actually see the moment when his heart rips in half!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I thought it always had to be a synonym of disembowel.

*shrugs*

[JW]

Fiorna! What is best in life?

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

+1 internetz

[Dan Bongard]

Cracked Magazine has one of their lists up today about how comedians are "anti-free-speech"... citing comedians' complaints about campus PC obsessions as an example of this.

Cracked really has gone "full SJW" lately.

[Mad Scientist]

War is peace.

[Irish ?s ESB]

This is the same website that ran an article defending Apple for pulling all games that contained a confederate flag and which contained this fucktarded paragraph.

I'm kinda cheating here, because "either everything is OK, or nothing is" is a paraphrase from an old episode of South Park where they argue that they should be allowed to make fun of Mohammed or, ya know, "the terrorists win." Except terrorism kills eight times as many Muslims as non-Muslims, so Trey Parker and Matt Stone were really just defending their right to say things that were going to piss off, hurt, and kill other people, far away, that they were never going to have to see or deal with or care about. And they were making themselves seem like heroes for being so brave. Here's that clip.

This is the most retarded thing I have ever read to this day. Ever. The fact that Muslim terrorism kills more Muslims than non-Muslims is relevant because...um...it's okay when Muslims are killed, I guess, and we shouldn't have a problem with it?

I'm still not entirely sure the argument he was trying to make, largely because I don't think he knew. It's J.F. Sargent though, and he's the guy at Cracked who always writes the stupidest prog shit.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Thankfully the comments blew that idiot up and this one in particular was awesome:

Media: What happened?

People: A racist white guy went into a church and shot a bunch of black people.

Media: So race war?

People: No. The black people forgave him almost instantly.

Media: Forgiveness? That's not a good story. Race war is a good story. We're gonna ignore the forgiveness and focus on a few people fighting about the Confederate flag and blow that up so that now EVERYONE is fighting about it and continue to cover the story. We're gonna divide people among ideological lines, good vs bad, much easier to swallow. What do you expect, we're the news, we can't actually express multiple complex opinions at once, it's racist vs bigot. Lovers of the constitution vs haters of it. So people, what do you think of that?

People: Think of what? We can't think. There's a race war going on!

*applause*

[Antilles]

There's no logic to this type of thought. It's all about feelings. And these days too many people want to see anything that makes them feel 'icky' banned.

[Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper]

There's no logic to this type of thought.

Yes, there is a logic to it, as fucked up as it is. It's pure selfishness and taking one's self too seriously. It's a direct result of social media, especially facebook.

15 years ago, these college kids were 6 years old. Nobodu was going to send them an email of a Dave Chapelle bit. But you were 25 then and you DID send an email of a Chapelle bit.

But you sent an email, you didn't post it on facebook. When you sent the email, you knew which people in your various social groups would find it funny and which one's would be assholes about it. So you only sent it to the ones who would like it. No having to defend your taste, no having to offend someone else's. Your other friends got other emails about other topics.

[Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper]

The important part here is that you recognized that you were a member of several different groups and you knew how to compartmentalize. Today, college kids grew up on facebook - everyone receives everything you send and now they're only in one giant group instead of several smaller ones. Groupthink and conformity is the order of the day and having a different opinion on ANYTHING is triggering or ostracizing or whatever. Conformity has always been a strong force in adolescence and social media is only making that force stronger. Couple this with the self-esteem movement in education over the last 20-30 years and you get people who are simply too afraid to have a different opinion so they simply refuse to think because it might lead to a different idea from the social group. People in dozens of small can easily break from one, but when you are in only on or two the bond is much stronger. It is how slavery and capitulation work.

[Antilles]

Interesting theory. I also blame these kinds of reactions on malignant narcissism, something Millenials have in spades (that's a card reference and not racial, just in case anyone wants to get offended).

[paranoid android]

It's like...the reductio ad absurdum of identity politics. I think the idea is that because Parker and Stone are non-Muslim, and terrorists, defined broadly enough, are more likely to kill other Muslims, then saying things that might offend or move such people to violence is not dangerous to Parker and Stone, but it does increase the danger to Muslims. So Parker and Stone making incendiary comments on South Park drives people on the other side of the world into a blood-rage that has them killing everyone around them, therefore South Park is evil.

All of which requires the author to completely ignore the death threats that were specifically targeted at Parker and Stone.

It is...difficult to try to understand thinking that perverse.

[Mad Scientist]

It is...difficult to try to understand thinking that perverse.

It's easier once you accept that they started with the conclusion and then worked backwards.

[See Double You]

Except terrorism kills eight times as many Muslims as non-Muslims, so Trey Parker and Matt Stone were really just defending their right to say things that were going to piss off, hurt, and kill other people, far away, that they were never going to have to see or deal with or care about.

It's like arguing that black leaders shouldn't hold a racial equality rally because it may cause white supremacists to go on a killing spree. Obviously, those black leaders were simply defending their right to say things that were going to piss off, hurt, and kill other people.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

Trey Parker and Matt Stone were really just defending their right to say things that were going to piss off, hurt, and kill other people,

This part is bizarre. Is he saying or implying Parker and Stone are responsible in some way for the death of Muslims at the hands of Muslims?

[Mad Scientist]

Yes, that's exactly what he's saying: making of fun Muslims MAKES them kill people. They can't help it, poor little dears.

[Irish ?s ESB]

I've said it before, liberal 'defenses' of Muslims are universally racist. Basically, since they're brown people from the third world, they can't control their actions.

It's like a force of nature - we do something that annoys Muslims, they react in the same way the tide goes in and out. They're not really human.

I actually heard people refer to Pamela Geller's Draw Mohammad contest as 'poking a fire ant colony' as if Muslims are just insects that react instinctively to provocation rather than human beings capable of moral decisions.

[Antilles]

Oh, come on! I'm sure the Progressives would make the same argument if a Christian extremist shot up a Gay Pride event. They'd excuse his behavior and demand that gay people stop provoking his kind. Right?

[Irish ?s ESB]

The other day, I saw yet another person babbling about ROOT CAUSES behind Muslim terrorism while blaming the West for everything. For some reason, the West's actions are never similarly excused by root causes.

So basically, the west has moral agency and control over its actions, whereas Muslims have no agency, they merely react to Western actions.

[Winston]

So basically, the west has moral agency and control over its actions, whereas Muslims have no agency, they merely react to Western actions.

Um...plenty of libertarian foreign policy pieces seem to consist of nothing but that.

[Irish ?s ESB]

And I disagree with those libertarian's who feel that way Winston.

So huzzah!

[Cytotoxic]

And I disagree with those libertarian's who feel that way Winston.

Except when talking to me apparently.

[John Titor]

Shockingly there's a middle ground between "west has moral agency and Muslims do not" and "utterly ignorant view of military campaigns in general combined with a narcissistic bloodlust pretending to be moral."

Seriously Cytotoxic, I really hope that someday someone follows through on your idiotic foreign policy ideal and 'liberates' Canada while making your death as brutally torturous as possible. Phosphorus rounds will work. It's all for 'liberty' after all.

[Cytotoxic]

"utterly ignorant view of military campaigns in general combined with a narcissistic bloodlust pretending to be moral."

Are the voices in your head louder sometimes than at other times? I think I get it: this is a response to getting dominated by me in argument. That's fine.

Seriously Cytotoxic, I really hope that someday someone follows through on your idiotic foreign policy ideal and 'liberates' Canada while making your death as brutally torturous as possible. Phosphorus rounds will work. It's all for 'liberty' after all.

Talk about bloodlust....and projection....and being fucking clueless of what my foreign policy principles are. Again, all symptoms of getting reckt.

[Cytotoxic]

Seriously, Titor: what a fucked up thing to say to somebody. I hope that someday you see a head doctor to deal with all that anger in you.

[John]

They are totally racist. It treats Muslims as basically animals who can't expect to behave in any civilized manner. Liberals treat the victims of Muslim terrorism the same way the look at people who are eaten by lions after they got out of the jeep while on safari. Well, what did you expect is the liberal attitude.

[Jerryskids]

Only white people have the idea that human beings have freedom - or want that sort of freedom.
.
"Nobody can control me! I do what I want!"

To which my friends responded:

?and you know what? You're white, so it makes complete sense that you'd feel that way.

[Cytotoxic]

It's like a force of nature - we do something that annoys Muslims, they react in the same way the tide goes in and out. They're not really human.

See also: "blowback"

[See Double You]

Cracked Magazine has one of their lists up today about how comedians are "anti-free-speech"... citing comedians' complaints about campus PC obsessions as an example of this.

Seems Cracked...

*dons Al's sunglasses...

...has cracked.

[brady949]

Is this new? I just saw it. Rand Paul is going to get all the weird families in this country nuked apparently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBSlns7DwZQ

[Lee G]

Needs more daisies.

[JW]

Everyone has seen this video of Carly Fiorina demolishing Chris Matthews, right? It's epic.

As much as I don't care about the election, watching Mr. Tinglelegs get completely shut down was satisfying.

I'll bet you that he had a producer yelling in his earpiece, ABORT! ABORT! GET OUT! GET OUT!

[some guy]

"Chris! Get to the choppah!"

I bet he never gets to interview her again. Heck, she's probably at the very top of their "candidates to ignore" list now.

[John]

It is a good reminder of just how stupid the media is. Fiorina is nothing but an articulate person of above average intelligence. Matched up against the typical media figure like Matthews, she might as well be Danial Webster.

[lap83]

Clickhole: "8 Signs You're the Unholy Amalgamation of Personality Traits Known as the Ambivert."

Robby trolling us? Not okay!

[KDN]

1, 2, and 6 fit me to a T. Apparently I ought to off myself.

[jesse.in.mb]

Michigan Rep. Todd Courser asks aide to cover up affair with House colleague, say he had gay sex with prostitute in leaked audio

A Michigan lawmaker has come under fire after bombshell audio recordings revealed he allegedly tried covering up an affair with a married state representative by asking his aide to lie and tell the public he was a "bi-sexual porn addicted sex deviant."

Rep. Todd Courser (R-Lansing) can be heard trying to convince his then-aide Ben Graham to disperse a damning email the legislator drafted that falsely says he was caught behind a nightclub with a male prostitute, The Detroit News first reported.

What the fuck?

Courser, a 43-year-old first-time conservative state representative, purportedly planned to muddy his own name to save Gamrat, 42, from humiliation. He is also married and has four kids.

Ok, that's kind of weirdly romantic.

[Lee G]

Cunning plan

[Swiss Servator, ...ouch.]

So cunning it has a PhD in cunning plans from Oxford?

[paranoid android]

I had to read that three times before I realized the person the email was about was Courser himself, not the aide.

I was like, "Wow, that's loyalty!"

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Why not get some sheep involved?

[jesse.in.mb]

^^^ Here is a man who will go places in Washington.

[Just say Nikki]

Aww!

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Seeing some of the reactions to Stewart's* last Daily Show, I was wondering: will we see a similar reaction by conservatives when Limbaugh retires? I'd expect a fair amount of comments about how Limbaugh spoke the truth amidst collective insanity or whatever, but tears**? Fans crediting him for their entire political outlook or education? It'll be interesting to compare when it happens.

*for Mike M.: Stewart Stewart Stewart Stewart Stewart Stewart

**well, the crying may be unfair, since the Daily Show is also entertainment with recurring characters and jokes and all. I don't know if Limbaugh has anything like that, but part of the emotional response is certainly due to the medium of TV.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I have it on good authority that Stewart is a non-partisan comedian.

[Lee G]

You should stop talking to Bo.

[JW]

It's just a comedy show!

[John]

Less mawkish but I am sure his fans will be just as sad to see him go. The difference will be that the major media will not give him the kind of fawning coverage they gave Stewart.

And if you haven't' seen the Roger Alles interview about Stewart in the Hollywood Reporter, look it up. It is epic.

[Crusty Juggler]

I do not know how to tell you guys this, but I heard that Jon Stewart is Jewish.

[John]

No way

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

That changes everything!!!

*binge watches all the Daily Show episodes I didn't watch, which was all but about 10*

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

Stewarts last show was watched by 6.5 million people last night; The GOP debate rated at 25 million. This probably relates to who has access via cable. Still, wow.

[John]

I heard it was 3.5 million. But the excuse is that his young audience watches it online so that number is low. That makes sense. Is 6.5 million the full number including those watching online?

[See Double You]

I highly, highly doubt Rush Limbaugh will get that kind of reaction when he quits.

[Los Doyers]

Delta Airlines jumps on the Cecil bandwagon, fucks over poor Africans.

[Antilles]

Those poor Africans just need to move to the city, get real jobs, and leave the rest of the country to their majestic wildlife. Why is that so hard for them to understand?

[commodious spittoon]

It's for the greater good. If lions disappear altogether Africans are really going to be kicking themselves over it.

[iCarl]

DIY fertility testing goes digital with Taiwan's iSperm

Aidmics initially developed the product to help livestock farmers, but founder Agean Lin now plans to seek U.S. Food and Drug Administration approval next year to expand its use to men.

iSperm was released commercially last August and has sold nearly 200 sets to farms around the world. It isn't the first at-home sperm tester but the only one that offers instant fertility measurements combined with live visuals of the sperm.

Lin said he aims to price the iSperm device between $100 and $200, a fraction of the cost of the commercial version.

The technology is simple: a tiny microscope enlarges the contents of a few drops of semen inside a pipette, lit by a backlight. The light beams the moving image to the iPad camera, and algorithms then analyze the sample for total sperm count and motility, or how fast sperm can swim.

[Crusty Juggler]

Everyone has seen this video of Carly Fiorina demolishing Chris Matthews, right? It's epic.

I just watched Fiorina CRUSH Matthews. She did very-well. More of that, everyone in politics.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

CRUSH, or EVISCERATE???

[brady949]

CRUSHVISCERATE

[Lee G]

CRUSHERATE

[Fist of Etiquette]

Crate.

[Crusty Juggler]

Watch Fist CRATE another thread!

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Crating somethin' outta nothin' - that's out Fist!

*beams*

[jesse.in.mb]

EPA tries to clean up mine, accidentally dumps toxic sludge in river.

The EPA's team was working with heavy equipment to secure and consolidate a safe way to enter the mine and access contaminated water, said Richard Mylott, a spokesman for the EPA in Denver. The project was intended to pump and treat the water and reduce metal pollution flowing out of the mine into Cement Creek, he said.

The disaster released about 1 million gallons of acidic water containing sediment and metals flowing as an orange-colored discharge downstream through Cement Creek and into the Animas River.

If you don't want to read the story, at least enjoy a picture of the goldenrod-colored river.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I don't know why you're trying to troll.

That's clearly pumpkin pie colored.

[jesse.in.mb]

Maybe back in the shadows it takes on more of a pumpkin pie, or possibly baby diarrhea yellow with brown overtones, but in the front it's clearly goldenrod.

[Just say Nikki]

OCHRE! IT'S OCHRE GODDAMMIT!

[commodious spittoon]

Too yellow to be ochre. More like squash.

[Ted S.]

You sure it's not maize, or burnt sienna?

[Crusty Juggler]

O.M.G.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I'd accept a roasted corn chowder.

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

It's Taco Bell Shits Brown!

[Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)]

TBS FTW!!!

[Zaytsev]

What about the crying boulder?

If Barack had stones they'd look like that.

[JW]

D'oh! Ooooo, pretty....

[Lee G]

Now I understand what was going on. Just more evidence that government run construction projects are usually disasters.

[Suthenboy]

I once watched the national forest service build a levee out of gypsum. I shit you not.

[Lee G]

What did they say when it turned into jello pudding?

[PH2050]

Now to hire a cleanup crew for the cleanup crew!

[cavalier973]

Run for the hills!

[Crusty Juggler]

Goldenrod? Looks like more of a burnt sienna to me.

[Lord at War]

Yellow ochre... Bob Ross taught me that much/

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Pretty.

[Lee G]

I wonder how many people will be fired as a result.

/bwahahahahaha

[L?rking McNewg?y]

"We are thankful that the personnel working on this mine cleanup project were unharmed."

They went home safe, that is the most important thing.

I'm sure those responsible will be fined by the EPA.

/sarc

[Free Society]

Listen guys. We need the EPA. If we didn't have them, it would be raining radioactive particles, institutions would be polluting the environment with impunity.

[Free Society]

And there would be no conceivable way of cleaning up oil spills and the like. We need the government to protect us all from disease and death.

[Free Society]

We can trust them.

[*GILMORE*]

"'Michelle Piazza Ceradini
the EPA isn't who should be blamed - the mining company that made the money and left the mess is to blame This happens all over our country. It is even more heartbreaking when you see it happen to such a beautiful remote area. Doesn't seem possible that this is the Animas! Looks like about as healthy as the Gowanus Canal in NYC!

Limbs Wheeler
How about instead of blaming the federal government for trying to clean up a long-standing source of contamination, we think about why its endemic in this country for the taxpayer to pick up the costs for private enterprise, while they abdicate responsibility and reap all the benefits.... ?

Susan Lee
The mining comany has been causing this. Only in slow motion.
And how has the EPA been treating this mining company?
Not by suing them. Which, in retrospect, they should have done 20 years ago.

Erin Huggins
This was not the fault of the EPA. It was the fault of a political system set up to let mining companies rape the land, take their plunder, and then leave a site contaminated and in ruins."

Some of the other commenters note that the 'Corporation' that operated the mine ceased operations in the 1880s.

[Lee G]

So the government bears no responsibility for anything after they take a project over? I'm sure Bank of America would like to learn more about that and how it applies to their Countrywide acquisition.

[See Double You]

its endemic in this country for the taxpayer to pick up the costs for private enterprise, while they abdicate responsibility and reap all the benefits.... ?

Umm, considering that liability for contamination has rested on private actors since at least the passage of CERCLA in 1980...

[commodious spittoon]

Cato and the Heritage Foundation cohosted a debate between their interns on the subject of libertarianism vs. conservatism. The conservatives seem to suffer some misapprehensions about what libertarianism actually means:

1. Libertarianism means anarchism, since we want society ordered like an "archipelago of humans," with everyone raising their own little flags over their own tiny parcels and living in utter isolation from anyone with whom they don't build bridges.

2. Libertarians would keep religion out of the public sphere and locked behind closed doors, because "public sphere" means literally everything that isn't behind closed doors. Seriously.

3. Libertarians always avoid discussing abortion.

[lap83]

Personally, I have no clue what libertarianism actually means. Something about orphans and effectively avoiding Warty but not squirrels.

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

If that's all you remember from your time at Reason, you've done well.

[commodious spittoon]

We're the political equivalent of Idiocracy and he's Luke Wilson.

[some guy]

3. Libertarians always avoid discussing abortion

Did someone dispel this myth by just linking one of our epic threads?

[Free Society]

Unsurprising. They argue that libertarians are "isolationists" because they don't think putting a gun to someone's head qualifies as legitimate human interaction. That sentiment is more revealing of conservatives own views of human interaction than that of libertarians.

[Not a Libertarian]

2. Libertarians would keep religion out of the public sphere and locked behind closed doors, because "public sphere" means literally everything that isn't behind closed doors. Seriously.

I think that many, if not yet a majority, of libertarians are quite laicist and would assume that religion should never intrude into public debate.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Libertarians always avoid discussing abortion.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[See Double You]

That may be the dumbest thing you read today, Irish.

[Cytotoxic]

Cato should have used that as an opportunity to demolish the shitty 'research' Heritage does on immigration. They must be humiliated.

[iCarl]

Meerkats that look like Bruce Schneier

[some guy]

Or "Famous people who look like meerkats".

[Free Society]

One more time: What various commentators thought about the candidates' debate performances.

But what about sharing economy millennial Trump supporters? Has anyone conducted a poll?

[commodious spittoon]

One more time: What various commentators thought about the candidates' debate performances.

For a moment I thought Soave meant us. Do the writers even remember we exist? Do they care?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I'm not sure that ignoring H&R commenters is an option for them.

[*GILMORE*]

"Do they care?"

Judging by the phone-it-in-collection of "shit we covered earlier today"-links, no.

Its like no one even reads actual news sources anymore. I mean, come on... Clickhole?

What about the hard-hitting news that the White House dumps at Friday PM to try and bury important stuff? huh?

Like = Federal Government, Pandering to Environmental Groups, Employs Illegal-Alien Goats for Greenskeeping Duties

or, Cincinatti Overwhelmed by Heroin-Junky-Babies

[Fist of Etiquette]

YOU GET OUT OF HERE WITH THESE NON-OFFICIAL LINKS

[commodious spittoon]

SEE WHAT LIBERTARIANISM DOES

PREGNANT JUNKIES AND HEROIN BABIES

Which actually was a big issue I took with the conservatives on the panel I linked upthread: they wanted to point out all the ways in which libertarianism would be worth while conveniently sweeping under the rug the fact that staunch, principled conservatism hasn't been able to prevent all of the terrible things that are happening. One of the lines I laughed at most was the insistence that following the libertarian doctrine would mean fetuses are sold for profit and research. As if that hasn't happened on their watch.

[commodious spittoon]

worth=worse

[iCarl]

"No Country For Secular Bloggers": Niloy Neel is the Fourth Bangladeshi Blogger To Be Killed in 2015

[Ted S.]

I presume he was killed by Bangladesh's radical Christians?

[Free Society]

+1

[PH2050]

+1 Religion of Peace

[commodious spittoon]

In retrospect sitting at the kids' table probably helped Fiorina a great deal, rather than competing with Trump for airplay or attempting to shine next to the best and the brightest the GOP has to offer men with name recognition.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

And she beat up Chris Tingle-Leg, so there's that.

[esteve7]

"You can't use logic on these people," Geoff Keith told me over dinner at the Hilton, "or then they think you're a dick.""

/Progs

[Winston]

Hey, there were Canadian political debates last night too, much more substantive and interesting....oh who the fuck am I kidding.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Only yourself, dude. Only yourself.

[Winston]

Trying to describe Canadian politics as "substantive and interesting" is too much.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

"Canadian Culture" = "oxymoron"

[Pan Zagloba]

No! Trailer Park Boys are true marvel! As was SCTV (Bob & Doug in particular).

[Pan Zagloba]

In honor of last night's Canadian election debates, this edition of Accomplished Female Athletes of Eastern and Central Europe is about ice hockey.

Anna Prugova is a goalie for Russian Olympic hockey team. Despite being only 21, she played in two Olypmic Games already (Vancouver 2010, Sochi 2014).

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

So who's the Donald Trump of Canada? Steven Abootman?

[Pope Jimbo]

Looks nice, but she's a goalie. That means she only changes her pads after 3 periods.

[Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper]

+1 goal crease

[Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper]

Is this another in your "Athletes who spent lots of money on glamour sessions" series? Not complaining, just pointing out the fish-in-a-barrel aspect.

Start a "women who look good when they wake up in the morning" series please.

[Irish ?s ESB]

There is not a single one of those woman who wouldn't look good waking up in the morning.

[Pan Zagloba]

I tried, but people have spoken and they want the swimsuit shots! I think she looks quite fine in her game gear, too.

[CatoTheChipper]

The Fiorina clip is great!

I'm no fan of Fiorina, but she quit herself well in battle with Chris Matthews, and scored a few points in my book.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Yeah, I watched it - excellent. She's an ex CEO - duh - actin' all.....CEO-ish. It was a lovely thing to behold.

"Shut the fuck up, Chris!"

[John C. Randolph]

she quit herself well in battle with Chris Matthews

Give me a break. The man is about as challenging as popping bubble wrap.

-jcr

[*GILMORE*]

Georgia Woman Arrested on Suspicion of Keeping Developmentally-Disabled Children In Cages

- Initial evidence includes children in cages.

[jesse.in.mb]

Initial evidence includes children in cages.

To be fair, the kids REALLY liked to play Pound Puppies, but felt that couch cushion kennels lacked verisimilitude.

[commodious spittoon]

Once, my dad and older brothers tied two milk crates together with me inside, and hoisted it up a tree. They only let me down when mom came out to yell at them.

Good times.

[Suthenboy]

Your father gibbetted you?

This explains a lot....

[*GILMORE*]

Janet Yellin = Suspected of Being Gandalf in Drag

[Not a Libertarian]

24 Million Watch GOP Debate on Fox News; Most-Watched Cable News Program Ever

I really didn't think anyone would be watching.

and...

The 5 p.m. ET debate, withe the 7 lower-tier candidates did very well for Fox News too, drawing 6.1 million total viewers and 1.2 million in the demo, making it the third-highest primary debate ever on cable.

which is even more surprising.

[Warty]

President Idol

[Swiss Servator, ...ouch.]

*applause*

[paranoid android]

How's that compare to the average season premiere of The Apprentice?

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

SEE HOW MANY PEANUTS THERE ARE!!

/shriek

[Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper]

Everybody wanted to be there when Trump said something outrageous just they so could score social-signaling points.

[*GILMORE*]

Reuters = Celebrates 'Indigenous Peoples' With Cute Slideshow; shows no further interest beyond pandering to liberal ideas of poor natives being happier & morally superior despite crushing poverty, squalor

[Ein Barde und ein Holzhacker]

Slightly off topic, but does is there any sort of rule for how long a population has to exist somewhere to be considered indigenous? Are say the Anglo-Saxons or Scots considered indigenous even though they didn't arrive in Britain until the early dark ages?

[*GILMORE*]

GOT THERE BEFORE YOUS

Even the Japs are just Koreans who got lost. But unlike Americans, they don't have some kind of guilt trip about dislocating the Ainus, but rather deride them as prehistoric oddities.

[Lee G]

For your own safety, never repeat that while in Japan

[*GILMORE*]

"In 1899 the Japanese government passed an act labeling the Ainu as "former aborigines", with the idea they would assimilate?this resulted in the Japanese government taking the land where the Ainu people lived and placing it from then on under Japanese control.[17] ...The Ainu were becoming increasingly marginalized on their own land?over a period of only 36 years, the Ainu went from being a relatively isolated group of people to having their land, language, religion and customs assimilated into those of the Japanese.[18] In addition to this, the land the Ainu lived on was distributed to the Wajin who had decided to move to Hokkaido, encouraged by the Japanese government of the Meiji era to take advantage of the island's abundant natural resources.... While at the time the process was openly referred to as colonization ("takushoku" ??), the notion was later reframed by Japanese elites to the currently common usage "kaitaku" (??), which instead conveys a sense of opening up or reclamation of the Ainu lands.[19] .... During this time the Ainu were forced to learn Japanese, required to adopt Japanese names and ordered to cease religious practices...[21]"
....It was not until June 6, 2008, that Japan formally recognised the Ainu as an indigenous group .[6]

Well, darn me. I thought they would stick to their guns and deny they ever really existed. Instead, they systematically wiped them out, then offered them token, 'nativehood'.

Social Justice FTW!

[Calidissident]

I think evidence tends to point to English and Scottish (especially Scottish) people being primarily descended from the population that lived there prior to those groups arriving, and that the change was more cultural than demographic replacement.

[*GILMORE*]

See: Ep 1 of Schama's "History of Britain" about the earliest Celtic Britons and how they pretty much all got subsumed/driven off or bred out by waves of newcomers over centuries

and the 'Journey of Man' program, which documents the genetic makeup of different people around the world to track their origins*

from my memory of both, the UK population is mostly genetically derived from the later-arrivers, the anglo-saxons and the viking types. I could be mistaken, its been ages since i watched either.

in fact i think only the Welsh and Cornish have any significant genetic ties (and not much that), and retain some linguistic/cultural traits from the pre-angles.

(*this latter program is particularly interesting when the researcher tries to explain to both Australian 'aborigines' that they actually came from Asia... and the same to Navahoes.... boy, were they pissed)

[Calidissident]

I believe that was the traditional view, that the Anglo-Saxons wiped out and replaced the indigenous population, but recent genetic analysis reveals that it's most likely a predominately false narrative.

http://www.theguardian.com/sci.....n-ancestry

http://www.bbc.com/news/scienc.....t-31905764

[*GILMORE*]

"Genetic study reveals 30% of white British DNA has German ancestry ...

...A DNA study of Britons has shown that genetically there is not a unique Celtic group of people in the UK. According to the data, those of Celtic ancestry in Scotland and Cornwall are more similar to the English than they are to other Celtic groups. The study also describes distinct genetic differences across the UK, which reflect regional identities. And it shows that the invading Anglo Saxons did not wipe out the Britons of 1,500 years ago, but mixed with them."

Your links dont say what you think they say.

German = Anglo-Saxon

Which were not 'natives', but people who over-ran the Britons.

The fact that Britons were not "wiped out" , but out-bred, was already assumed. All this says is that 'even the people thought to retain a Briton-genetic link (Welsh, Westerners), don't really

[The Late P Brooks]

Squalor tourism is a growth industry.

[Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper]

Detroit should be booming then. I don't want to hear anyone say "They took our squalor!!!"

[Winston]

Trump needs to be elected so he can engage in an auto-coup and dissolve Congress with him saving "YOU'RE FIRED!" It should earn him Lindsey Graham's support at least.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

OT: Can I get a review of Mr. Robot? A friend recommended it, but I've read it's "anti-capitalist". And, no I don't really care if it is if it's good - just wondering.

[Warty]

Hm...I've never heard of this... *checks internets*

Young, anti-social computer programmer Elliot works as a cybersecurity engineer during the day, but at night he is a vigilante hacker.

NOPE

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

NOPE

Too autobiographical for you?

[Warty]

No, not enough. It didn't even mention my chiseled abs.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

Or your backhair.

[Warty]

Well if certain people would have visible email addresses, certain people would get more back hair selfies, that's all I'm saying.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

Exactly.

[Warty]

🙁

[Crusty Juggler]

Let me not be helpful: I have heard it is very good. It also stars Christian Slater (who you may know as George Kuffs, from Kuffs). So, two people I know so it is very good, and Christian Slater.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

I'm hot and cold on it. It is ridiculous, and it may actually take itself seriously, but it's generally been interesting to watch.

[Winston]

So where are the Hollywood movies about a Trump-like tyrant taking over? I'm expecting some really subtle and substantive attacks on the Tea Party and libertarians.

[RBS]

So, did John and Nikki get a room yet?

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

I'm guessing the only reason Nikki would get a room with John is so that she can offer him some privacy has she kicks him in the balls and beats him about the head with her Birkin.

[John]

Sorry dear but that is just not my thing. I seriously doubt Niki would be dumb enough to do such a thing as that.

And if Nikki doesn't like me, it is only because she can't handle someone who respects her enough to treat her like a fellow human being and not let shit that is wrong slide.

[The Late P Brooks]

CHRISTIAN SLATER SUCKS.

[Crusty Juggler]

Note to self: return the copy of Gleaming the Cube that I bought for as birthday gift for commentariat legend P.Brooks.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

...but....Heathers

[Mad Scientist]

Ha! Classic Rando!

[Warty]

OT: fuck shit that isn't backward compatible. I just wasted a day finding out that code that was written for OpenCV 2.4.x won't necessarily work with 3.0.0. Fucking shitfuck dickweasel fuckface dipshit asscum fuckface shits.

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

Yeah, that's fucking stupid.

[Brett L]

Imagine if everything had to work with Wndows ME... That's why backwards compatibility is a good idea that shouldn't always be implemented.

[Slumbrew]

2.4.x won't necessarily work with 3.0.0

Dude, that's the entire point of semantic versioning - "MAJOR version when you make incompatible API changes". 2 - 3 is a major version change, ergo, incompatibilities.

[The Late P Brooks]

Now, I'm intrigued. Trump, upon being inaugurated, tears off the mask and reveals himself to be Vladimir Putin's long lost twin?
I LIKE IT.

[*GILMORE*]

re: "College Kids Can't Take a Joke"

"it helps to think of college not as an institution of scholarly pursuit but as the all-inclusive resort that it has in recent years become...

...Bringing great artists to colleges is not NACA's mission. Its mission involves presenting for potential employment on American campuses a group of entertainers whose work upholds a set of ideas that has been codified by bureaucrats....

..These kids aren't dummies; they look around their colleges and see that there are huge incentives to join the ideological bandwagon and harsh penalties for questioning the platform's core ideas.

Meanwhile?as obvious reaction to all of this?frat boys and other campus punksters regularly flout the thought police by staging events along elaborately racist themes, events that, while patently vile, are beginning to constitute the free-speech movement of our time.

The closest you're going to get to Mario Savio?sick at heart about the operation of the machine and willing to throw himself upon its gears and levers?is less the campus president of Human Rights Watch than the moron over at Phi Sigma Kappa who plans the Colonial Bros and Nava-Hos mixer."

Great piece. It manages to rip the SJW set without once using that term, and while it does do the Robby, "endlessly congratulating the do-gooders for their INTENT"-thing.... it is extremely accurate about pointing out the hollow core of Identity Politics, and its pernicious perverse incentives.

[John]

The other thing about it is that it recognizes that most students are not idiots and see the system for what it is and just go along and get along. I don't believe the conservative doomsayers who are convinced these colleges are brain washing a new generation of red guards. No, they are mostly just stealing these kids' money and wasting four years of their life in order to get a credential and hopefully, though less and less, a ticket to a decent career. The SJWs are having less effect than they think they are. It just seems like they are important because of the internet. Most people wake up in the morning and don't even know what the term means and couldn't give a shit less about their concerns.

[Zaytsev]

Yes and no.

The overwhelming majority of kids are apolitical as you describe. But some fraction - 10%? do get brainwashed by the socialist bullshit - even the apolitical ones are affected by the socialist zeitgeist of higher ed to some degree.

[Number 2]

It is about time someone recognized that these "horribly racist" incidents we hear about on campus are merely sophomoric reactions to top-down imposed political correctness.

[Number 2]

It is about time someone recognized that these "horribly racist" incidents we hear about on campus are merely sophomoric reactions to top-down imposed political correctness.

[*GILMORE*]

Its certainly a vicious cycle that the SJW types utterly fail to understand.

they create their own monsters. And they *need* them.

Because who are they morally superior to, if there aren't people actively pushing back and suggesting that vulgar disregard for identity-politics is not just Fun, but *necessary*?

Gamergate, in a nutshell.

[Hyperion]

who are they morally superior to

Hilter? Hillary Clinton? Jeffery Dahmer? Sorry, I can't really think of anyone else at the moment.

[Tonio]

The NPR article at 5:30 tonight about Baltimore's Safe Streets program is depressing. The director is a clueless idiot with an obnoxious valley girl accent. She was shocked, shocked do you hear, that her recently incarcerated employees might have ongoing problems like child support judgements which she can do nothing about.

[Lee G]

Heard that. Total moron.

[John]

Just someone who has lived in a bubble her whole life. I bet she is cute and came from a good family and has either had her parents or a boyfriend or both take care of her her entire life. She has no clue what life is actually like for someone born in a place like inner City Baltimore. What is sad is that she seems not to be learning very much despite her job.

[See Double You]

You mind posting some more about that? I don't want to give NPR extra clicks.

[Hyperion]

It's a surprise that you would be surprised by the idiocy of anyone who's involved in Baltimore City government.

[Swiss Servator, ...ouch.]

Nice...thanks for that.

[The Late P Brooks]

I picked up a copy of the paper at lunch today. It contained a singularly imbecilic opinion piece about how the government should lift (eliminate?) the caps on govt backed student loans, because COLLEGE STUDENTS BORROW TOO MUCH MONEY.

[See Double You]

Was it in the Missoulian?

[Lee G]

If you're going to say something stupid, make it so stupid that people get confused.

[The Late P Brooks]

It was in the Bozeman Daily Chronicle, but it was syndicated, so it has probably run in every newspaper with a college nearby.
A couple of law professors wrote it, so it has to be true.

[See Double You]

From a different letter:

To our dismay if not surprise, our climate change-denying senator ignores the facts about carbon's contribution to global warming which predicts inevitable grave risk for us and the planet.

What is doing the "predicting" here? The "facts"? The "climate change"? What a weirdly-worded sentence.

[Hyperion]

The only thing that really, unexpectedly, or surprisingly, noteworthy, whatever, that came out of the debates is Carly. I'm not even sure that I like her at all. I think probably not. But she's articulate and more importantly, she has bigger ballz than any of the men in the race. She won't apologize and won't back down. This is the very thing that has made Trump, who is not a real candidate and at worst a Clinton plant, so popular.

[John]

I like her. None of them are perfect. She better than most of them and loads better than Hillary. I will take an imperfect candidate who has balls That is better than anything the Republicans have had since Reagan. Even if you don't like her, is she really so bad you would waste your vote or not vote at all when voting for her is stopping Hillary? I don't see how. I could see doing that if Christie or Bush were the nominee but not her.

Why does everyone think they have to like a candidate? No wonder libertarians feel marginalized. They set themselves up for failure. No candidate with broad enough appeal to win is ever going to be perfect or really even very likable. Libertarians just refuse to accept the hard reality that the choice will always be a lesser of two evils. That is how politics and really life in general works. If you want to get anywhere you better start compromising your ideals and if you can't do that, understand you are not going to achieve anything except noble and pointless failure. Life is t the movies and the good guys never win.

[Hyperion]

I was just using her to illustrate a point. You are not going to win against the left through timidness and weakness. They only respect force. Show that, and they will whimper and fall down like abused puppies.

But that still doesn't mean that I can support her. I'm not playing that game because it's not important to me if the GOP wins or not. If they're going to win and be exactly like the Democrats, I don't care.

I still support Rand, the only candidate that I can agree with on most issues. But I do wish he would learn from what Carly and even Trump is doing.

[John]

Except that they won't. If the Dems win in 16 they likely flip the court and citizens United and heller get overturned. At that point it is game over for the country. I can't understand how anyone could not see that as a big difference between the two parties.

[Hyperion]

Because there's not much difference. The GOP establishment have proved this beyond doubt. Right now, the Orange fuck is having a kissy kissy love fest with Obama and selling out his constituents. Fuck all of these people, team red and team blue.

[John]

So you think the court flipping and killing the 1st and 2nd amendment is no difference? There is a difference. It is just that debut it is a matter of religious faith for Libertarians.

[Cytotoxic]

Who appointed Roberts again?

[John]

Roberts voted in the majority in both of those cases.

[Cytotoxic]

Not contradicting my point.

[Cytotoxic]

If you want to get anywhere you better start compromising your ideals

What an original thought. No one has ever tried that with devastating results and disappointment before!

[John]

No the people who cause the harm are fanatical half wits like you. Only someone as delusional and stupid as you are could think the reason for great evil is people being too compromising. Yeah the Bazis problem was they were just too compromising.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The best lack all conviction, and the worse
Are full of passionate intensity

Of course Reagan, even Cleveland, all the great statespersons compromised. Even Thatcher did it a few times. But they didn't organize their entire political life around "hey, let's compromise!" When they had the political space to do something principled, they did it.

Sure, you can only do this on a few issues. Reagan stood firm vs. the USSR until he saw room to work something out with them. But this meant he didn't have much political capital left to cut spending, etc.

But at least with these guys, you know where they stand. You know they're not just seeking the office so they can fly around in their own special plane and have the band play a song every time they enter a room. No, they actually want to do stuff, and if you give them a clear field, they'll actually do it.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The best lack all conviction, and the worse
Are full of passionate intensity

Of course Reagan, even Cleveland, all the great statespersons compromised. Even Thatcher did it a few times. But they didn't organize their entire political life around "hey, let's compromise!" When they had the political space to do something principled, they did it.

Sure, you can only do this on a few issues. Reagan stood firm vs. the USSR until he saw room to work something out with them. But this meant he didn't have much political capital left to cut spending, etc.

But at least with these guys, you know where they stand. You know they're not just seeking the office so they can fly around in their own special plane and have the band play a song every time they enter a room. No, they actually want to do stuff, and if you give them a clear field, they'll actually do it.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

See, I was able to compromise with the squirrels.

And I needed to say "worst" instead of "worse."

[Cytotoxic]

Yes, America is in debt to the tune of trillion because of people who opposed that spending. Your derp never ceases to amaze.

Funny, I actually will vote the lesser of two evils when the greater evil is that bad. Or for an imperfect good like Rand or even Reagan. But that's not what you and your fellow Hit'NRunpublicans are on about. You just want us to eat shit. Fiorina = spicy shit, because she's gotten you all hot and bothered with her takedown of Matthews.

[Not a Libertarian]

So are you voting NDP in your riding or not?

[Cytotoxic]

No.

[John C. Randolph]

She's a skilled talker, which as it turned out wasn't enough to run HP competently.

-jcr

[John]

She ran it fine. She was right about acquiring compact. She just didn't kiss enough nerd ass. And she was good enough to get that job which is more than I can say for any of us.

[John]

She ran it fine. She was right about acquiring compact. She just didn't kiss enough nerd ass. And she was good enough to get that job which is more than I can say for any of us.

[Cytotoxic]

She ran it fine right into the ground.

She just didn't kiss enough nerd ass.

WTF does this even mean? At this point I think even John knows John is full of shit so he's resorted to incomprehensible gibberish. He's aiming for 'not even wrong'.

[Raven Nation]

Reading sentence for CO movie shooter. Through the first 11 counts, jury could not reach unanimous verdict so default is to life imprisonment.

[John]

He will have such a target on his back I bet he doesn't survive a decade

[Raven Nation]

Probably true which is a terrible indictment on the American legal system.

[John]

Yes it is. The guy was clearly mentally ill. There is no fixing him. I don't see how what we do now is not worse than just executing him like they used to

[SIV]

They should pardon whoever shanks him.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Camille Paglia onthe GOP dabate.

Good God, I love that Lesbo ...

[John]

Me too. I don't care if she is an old Lesbian. I would hit it. Intelligence is sexy.

[ant1sthenes]

"I don't care if she is an old Lesbian. I would hit it."

I'm not sure you're understanding the issue there, unless the emphasis is on "old" instead of "lesbian".

[*GILMORE*]

"Trump is a Trojan Horse sent by the crafty Clinton machine"

Its hard to not believe this sometimes.

theres part of me that thinks that conspiracies are always wrong because 'people leak', and self-interests always trump (PUN) everything - i.e. no one keeps secrets, really, and i fail to see why the Donald would need to do favors for anyone but himself.

but still... its such a compelling idea.

She really does have a talent for excoriation that....well, reminds me of me =

"Jeb Bush
Is there a blander, more boring personality in American politics? The guy looks like the runny yolk of a fried egg

Huckabee seems like a survivor from the Bob Hope or Art Linkletter era of TV pitchman.

Rand Paul
What a disaster! This was probably the worst debate performance in recent memory. I agree with most of Rand Paul's libertarian principles, but he certainly did them no favor tonight. He seemed surly, seething and discourteous from start to finish ? like a petulant schoolboy kept after class.

[John]

If he is, millions of republican voters will hate him and refuse to frequent his businesses. It would cost him a fortune. And Trump is smarter than to think the Clintons will take care of him.

[Cytotoxic]

"Trump is smarter"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[John]

He is an idiot and you are smart. That is why he has millions and you can barely manage your own life

[Cytotoxic]

He has millions that he inherited, dipshit. How many times has one of ventures declared bankruptcy again?

You know about as much about my life as you do about genetics ie nothing.

[Hyperion]

Its hard to not believe this sometimes

Yeah, it's getting really hard to not believe it.

I suspect that it's true that that it's going to derail Trump soon. Good, there's not any room for a sideshow clown. We can get down to the real race.

And a run as 3rd party won't work, as he will have been fully exposed as a fake.

[Hyperion]

I can totally see how the Clintons would think pulling something like this is genius and would totally work with no blowback at all. They were the master political hacks of 2 decades ago. But times have changed, a lot.

I can just hear some tech savvy youngster working on their campaign saying something like 'Mr Clinton, will due respect, I have to tell you that this might not work in this digital age, people will find out and it will be the end'.

Slick Willy: 'Listen, snapper, I've squeezed more young tushies than you can imagine. I was president of the United States of America, twice! You know how dirty we were and the lies we got away with? You got a lot to learn. Now do what I say! boy, you should be serving us coffee!'

[Paul.]

and they wanted comedy that was 100 percent risk-free, comedy that could not trigger or upset or mildly trouble a single student.

So nothing funny.

[Cytotoxic]

I can't believe how terrible the reviews are for the new Fantastic 4 movie. FFS not only is it unanimous but apparently it's worse than the F4 from 10 years ago! Fox sure does know how to make shitty superhero movies. ALL of their Spiderman movies suck be they from Raimi or Webb. The only reason Raimi's first Spiderman movie got props was because standards were so low back then.

[Jumbie]

Spiderman is Sony. Nothing to do with Fox.

Fox has done at least 4 good X-men movies.

[Cytotoxic]

Rand Paul: we need to start considering that we have the wrong standard bearer in the GOP race. He just doesn't sound like he's doing too well. Bad campaign literature, too much yelliness during the debate. Disturbingly, he panders to the bordertards. Maybe Amash or Massie would be better?

Fiorina: anything for libertarians to like? Aside from her deference to the states on MJ legalization?

[John C. Randolph]

Not too impressed by Carly smacking one leftard lightweight around. The only reason people don't do this to Matthews every day is that they pity his mental deficiencies.

-jcr

[Bubba Jones]

Hot blonde spanks politicians?

[buybuydandavis]

"Everyone has seen this video of Carly Fiorina demolishing Chris Matthews, right? It's epic."

Smackdown!

And even Mr. Tingly Leg knew it.

It was like watching Sugar Ray Leonard methodically cut someone down. Swift, clear, precise, landing every blow. Yowza.

[Len Bias]

"Clickhole: "8 Signs You're the Unholy Amalgamation of Personality Traits Known as the Ambivert."

I posted this article on Facebook yesterday. True story. It only got five likes, though. Must have gotten lost in all the posts with all the crying about Jon Stewart finally going away.

[simplybe]

Miss Fiorina is by far the best candidate for President. She is probably the only candidate able to beat Hillary Clinton because there are to many people wanting a woman for President because it is time. Mostly I like her because she smart, articulate and able to lead this country into the digital age. I understand Trump appeal but do you really want someone how on national TV admits to buying politicians. Let him run a third-party race. He is no Perot and his mouth will end end his campaign.