Boise Police Break Down Door, Use Flash Grenade at Wrong Apartment Complex
It's a good thing no one got hurt.


Boise police carried out a wrong-door raid on an apartment complex last week. They eventually apologized for terrifying the residents but maintained that a shock-and-awe approach was justified because their suspects had a history of "violence toward officers."
Around 2:30 a.m. last Thursday morning, officers hurled a flash grenade and broke down a door at Parkhill Apartments in Boise, Idaho. They had the wrong address, according to boiseweekly.com:
"This error is rare and certainly regrettable," stated Eugene Smith, deputy chief of Operations for the Boise Police Department.
At the time, police said they were serving a search warrant in the wake of reports about suspected drug deal and thefts in the area. Police said their prior investigation had identified a possible suspect and several associates, including those with a criminal history of drugs, firearms and violence toward officers. But after they stormed into the apartment complex, police said they realized the address was incorrect.
By then, police had already begun question two people inside one of the apartments.
The police department is reviewing the chain of events that led to the error, and has promised to pay for any necessary repairs to the apartment complex. That's all well and good.
Of course, the police didn't intend to ambush a bunch of innocent people in the middle of the night, break down their door, throw a grenade, and brandish military-style assault weaponry at them. Rather, the police intended to do all those things to a bunch of criminal suspects.
At least no one got hurt—although it's easy to imagine something going wrong, even if the police had assaulted the correct address.
Hat tip: Radley Balko
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I still wonder why Rambo School doesn't teach street map reading and house number comprehension.
Those things aren't that important. Why do you hate the children?
There's no time, what with the Dog Killing 301 and the Professional Courtesy 104 and Why It's Us Vs Them 202.
It's not like they face any consequences for getting the wrong house. They could have killed everyone inside and burned the place down, and nothing else would have happened.
And shot the neighbors dogs because they were bored while watching the place burn down.
It's funny because it's not even an exaggeration.
Who else do you think is going to put the WAR in warrant?! 'muricah!
the nutkick is weak with this one.
It is interesting how we view these previously unthinkable transgressions by armed agents of the state as 'weak tea' when no one is killed.
Welcome to the "New Normal."
"This error is rare and certainly regrettable," stated Eugene Smith, deputy chief of Operations for the Boise Police Department, "but it's not as if we were claiming that getting captured by the enemy does not necessarily make one a hero as Donald Trump did with regards to Real American Hero? John McCain. Which we find utterly reprehensible, as all right-thinking people do. Donald Trump. Donald Trump. Donald Trump."
John McCain said himself that he is no hero! The word, "hero", has been getting used way too much in today's society. It sort of decreases the value of the real heroes, out there. Every cop, fireman, doctor, or ambulance driver could be qualified, as a hero, according to these guidelines. Sully Sullenberg was just doing what he was trained to do, when he save his own life, and a plane full of passengers. It was not heroic! It was just a job, well done, by a fine pilot! The real heroes jump in freezing water to save people in a frozen river, that they don't know, at all!
At least no one got hurt
If you're in the same room as a flashbang, you've been hurt.
So either somebody did get hurt, or the cops flashbanged an empty room.
I wouldn't put it past them to send one into an empty room. Also, I'm sure he meant "seriously" hurt.
Well, not hurt-hurt.
It was empty of criminals!
If you're in the same room as a flashbang, you've been hurt.
Well no police officers were in the room so we consider it acceptable collateral damage since "No one important was hurt".
The LEO criteria for "hurt" requires a death.
Police said their prior investigation had identified a possible suspect and several associates, including those with a criminal history of drugs, firearms and violence toward officers
So exactly what does that bolded text mean? Does it mean they didn't respect authority quickly enough? Did they say something mean? Because if it means real violence, I seriously doubt that these people would still be alive.
Woodchipper salesmen.
Picky, picky, picky.
As police misconduct stories go, this one isn't really blowing my skirt up. It's good for a LOL at the Keystone Kops angle.
But let's talk about Laura Browder, please. That's a nutpunch, right there. Hope Lenore is working on it as we speak.
I'm pretty sure Lenore has covered that on her own blog.
And...? Not everyone reads her blog. This is a different audience.
Go read her blog. Or wait for it to be cross posted over here.
Who?!
I'm pretty sure Lenore has covered that on her own blog.
Look, is it too much to ask in this day of drones and tiny cameras that in order to go in with more force than knock and announce that police forces must provide photographs and video detailing who will be most likely be on the property and swear or affirm that the person identified on that film is the person they intend to arrest?
Because that seems like the minimum we should require.
You obviously care nothing for officer safety.
While time is being wasted with your silly drones and photos, these villains will be on our playgrounds forcing children to shoot up marijuana.
And at the slightest hint of cops around, drug dealers will flush tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands, of dollars worth of drugs down the toilet - so inconvienencing the cops and prosecutors. They'll have to get drop a rock here and there to manufacture that evidence.
That's fucking work!
And they'll probably need to use the drugs from their own personal stash. That's officer abuse right there.
"This error is rare and certainly regrettable," stated Eugene Smith, deputy chief of Operations for the Boise Police Department
, as he tendered his resignatiHAHAHAHAHAAA!! Damn, couldn't quite get it out!
...and has promised to pay for any necessary repairs to the apartment complex.
Won't happen.
The old what's "necessary" problem.
Yeah, call me when the check clears.
So what has the scotus ruled on that? What if they had thought this was an armed robbery and defended themselves? So glad no one got hurt, but the potential for that is enormous.
Someone kicks down your door in the middle of the night when you are just an innocent party and what, you're going to check for ID?
Anything short of absolute obedience is a death sentence. Ask Dunphy.
So what has the scotus ruled on that?
Something about New Professionals, deference to agency expertise, and the Constitution being a living document not a suicide pact.
These people surely had it coming anyway. I mean, no one gets their house mistaken for a drug raid house unless they were doing something wrong to start with.
I think they should throw in a nitrous oxide bomb so at least they people being assaulted get to giggle about it.
You kidding? That's an unnatural high. That's immoral.
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Jessica Valenti
Men rarely catcall me any more. I hate that our culture makes me miss it.
Oh my God is Jessica Valente a sad, pathetic broken person. The woman's entire identity is based on bitching and moaning about how bad she has it. It doesn't matter what happens, she is going to bitch and moan and make herself the victim. Not to be all judgy but that is the kind of thing lunatics do. Someone at the Guardian needs to get this woman some serious psychiatric help.
Reminds me of this waitress I used to work with who, when she had nothing to complain about, would complain about having nothing to complain about.
Sounds like my mom, in the last years of her life. She drove most of the in laws and other relatives off with her incessant bitching. But, I loved her and was there for her, in the end. Miss you mom...even your bitching!
I remember a long-forgotten comedy show from the 80s where they did a skit with two women sitting on a park bench when from off camera you hear a catcall from a construction worker.
One woman remarks how degrading that is, the other agrees. They talk about it for a moment when the first woman says that's the third time she's been catcalled that week. The other woman politely corrects her and says that the catcall was directed at her. A noisy, angry disagreement ensues about at whom the catcall was directed, each woman insisting the catcall was directed at herself.
As a member of the patriarchy, John, YOU are responsible for this poor woman's suffering and apparent mental breakdown. You should be ashamed.
The funny part is that despite all of her efforts, Valenti is still at some level a normal human being who enjoys the attention of the opposite sex. Since she is a lunatic, however, she can't just accept that and instead hates herself for it and projects that hate onto the rest of the world. She finally got what she thought she wanted and hates it and hates herself for being that way and deals with that self loathing by blaming everyone else.
She is a sad broken woman. The only question is did feminism make her that way or was she that way to begin with and that is why feminism appealed to her.
It was society's fault that she got cat calls. And now it's society's fault that she misses the cat calls. Just like it's men's fault for getting penis enhancement surgery, but when women get breast enhancement surgery, it's men's fault.
That is right. And it is totally okay for women to shame and make fun of men's bodies but the height of evil for men to even notice a woman's body. And it is of course men's fault when women don't like it that no men notice their bodies. It's all men's fault.
Being a straight hard core feminists has to be one of the most fucked up existences you could live. It would be one thing to be a lesbian and be a feminists. At least then you don't feel any biological attraction to men. But how fucked in the head would it make you to on the one hand adopt an ideology that requires you to hate men and blame all of the world's problems on men while at the same time still being sexually attracted to men and naturally desiring their companionship? Women like Valenti must be swimming in self loathing.
This is some special kind of crazy.
Wait, isn't this the kind of stupid cunt that is going to call me to the mat for objectifying her if I do cat call her?
Yes Troy she is. She is nuts and hates herself and is going to project that hatred onto you no matter what you do. I believe the technical term for someone like Valenti is "toxic personality".
Some of the stuff she's discussing goes beyond catcalls:
"There was the man in a business suit who told me to "take care of those titties for me"; the man who ? when I was in seventh grade ? masturbated in front of me on the subway platform near my home; the man who walked by me in the street, leaned in close, and whispered "I want to lick you" so close to my ear that I could feel his hot breath."
Maybe I'm naive, but I thought catcalls were like a guy (or gal) doing construction on an overhead beam pausing in his (or her) work to say, "hey, baby, shake that thing." I wouldn't know, of course.
Yeah. That is not catcalling. That is just being a fucking pervert predator. And what is really fucked up is that Valenti liked all of that. My God is she a nut.
Perhaps the idea of a continuum, with some things on the continuum being less bad than others, is heresy in certain circles.
I would be irritated witha guy (or gal) who indulges in catcalling, but the other stuff may actually be worth calling the cops over.
Which of them would be worth getting someone killed over? The worst one (I think - there's no age listed) is the "take care of those titties for me", assuming it happened when she was a kid. The guy on the platform? Meh. The only violence there was in flogging the porpoise. The last one...creepy, icky, and...he walked away? I can't be convinced those are cop-worthy at all.
Jerking off is indecent exposure. Fuck that guy. You walk around jerking off in public in front of strange women you are a deviant and need to be put away. Same with the guy whispering in her ear, assuming she was kid. If she was an adult, then he is just a weirdo. But if she was young, he is a fucking criminal scumbag.
As I say below, the titties guy just needed someone to beat his ass and teach to behave better in public.
OK, as for the ear-whispering, I agree that it's age dependent. Indecent exposure is that bad? I don't think it's something anyone should encourage, but is locking up the offender really the answer? Is it *that* much of a violation of peoples' person to be "indecent" (which has a very wide interpretation) in public?
Yes. That is not normal behavior and the behavior almost always escalates into more deviant stuff. The jerking off in public is a sign of something being very wrong with someone.
And it is a quality of life issue. I don't think it is an imposition on your freedom to not jerk off in front of unwilling women. And your doing it is most certainly an imposition on them and should be a crime.
Pre-crime FTW!
And why is state power, as opposed to social ostracism, the best answer? Also...umm...don't look at 'em? Part of the ostracism thing.
Pre crime for the stupid.
It is not a pre crime. It is a fucking crime. It harms other people to be subjected to you jerking off in front of them without their consent. Therefore, the government has every right to hall your dumb ass off for doing it.
You might want to save that kind of prescription for National Review or Weekly Standard, John. You might have a more receptive audience.
While jerking off in front of someone may be crass and tasteless, I'm not sure it justifies siccing the full (and brutal) force of the State on the masturbator. I'd have thought that this was the *worst* thread of the day in which to suggest that kind of response.
Yeah Igor, the only people who find being subjected to you jerking off against their consent are the evil SOCONs at national review. I mean you just have to be some kind of bible thumping nut to t hink that walking around jerking off in front of women should be a crime.
It is these sorts of conversations that cause people to not take Libertarians seriously.
Eh, the only harm I'd do someone by masturbating in front of 'em is causing them to injure themselves laughing.
Indecent exposure is that bad? I don't think it's something anyone should encourage, but is locking up the offender really the answer?
Yeah- I think you just crush a couple habaneros in your hand, then offer to help him out...
The guy jerking off and the one whispering in her ear definitely warrant that. The "take care of those titties" guy just needs his ass beat by Valenti's father, brother or boyfriend.
Really? So social crudity (whispering in ear) and public nudity (masturbating in public) are such awful things that people should be locked up and/or shot on sight?
Jerking off in public, definitely locked up. Vulgarity, not shot but certainly knocked upside the head. if some guy said that to my wife or daughter, I would likely end up in jail or the hospital because I would take him on. There is just no excuse for acting like that. And if i were on a jury and the defendant was on trial for knocking that guy's teeth in after he said that to his girlfriend or daughter, no way am I convicting. Not in a million years.
So...just to summarize...speaking vulgarly to a woman you are related to or in a relationship with is, in your estimation, violence worthy of a violent response? Or does offending the flower of their womanhood constitute enough of an offense that the NAP no longer applies?
And why is public masturbation worthy of a rape cage?
Yes, Going up to a stranger and insulting them like that is worthy of a violent response. I don't think the person has to do so but I don't blame them for it. I am very old school about stuff like that.
public masturbating=/=public nudity
Agreed - but I still don't see the need to call the cops on someone engaged in that behavior.
Slightly OT but why is it that, whenever a parent gets busted for leaving their kids momentarily unattended the authorities say, nay scream: "The outside is dangerous!!one!!1!" no one ever uses that as an opening to ask why the cops in that town are doing such a lousy job?
They can only do so much Susan. And every man is likely a pedophile if given the opportunity. Didn't you know that?
Asking questions like that is a good way to draw the attention of people whose attention you do not want.
"I have a question for the chief of police. You arrested this woman for endangering her children by letting them play outside. Are you taking the position that you cannot keep this town safe for children to play outside?
As a followup question, because many of our viewers remember playing outside, safely, as children, when did it become unsafe for children to play outside in our town?"
Oh yeah, Mr. smartypants! Well, how many people were on the sex offender registry when you were a kid? And how many now?! Huh, huh??? PWND!!!!
So how come your average underpaid pizza delivery guy can get the address right, but the pigs can't? I thought these spineless cocksuckers were professionals.
Because a pizza delivery guy who knocks on the wrong door and annoys someone faces greater potential consequences than a cop who breaks down the wrong door and kills everyone inside.
pffft consequences schmonsequences. That is crazy talk Sarcasmic. BTW, i look forward to meeting you at Camp #12A.
I'll try to smuggle in some gin.
I was hoping Epi would bring some weed, and Sugarfree would bring some Hustlers.
The pizza guy's job counts on him getting the address right. Cops on the other hand, not so much.
Also, if the pizza guy goes to the wrong house and kills people, I'm pretty sure there's going to be serious consequences for the pizza guy. Cops, not so much.
Just think of what we are saying here. The avg pizza delivery person is more responsible and accountable than the cops, who are supposed to protect us.
Sort of a disturbing thought, no?
So if I understand what everyone here is saying -- and I think I do -- instead of no-knock raids with flash bang grenades, the cops should just dress up like a pizza deliveryman and knock on the door? Genius!
Maybe they should dress like the clowns they are.
Sounds about right.
Reply intended for Hyperion's Statist Chipper|7.20.15 @ 3:08PM|.
Excuse operator error.
What Hyperion said. Or to put it in fewer words, because the pizza guy will get fired if he fucks up the address.
IF YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!!!
Whats the difference between a cop and a ninja?
- Cops use flash bangs on the way in and misdirection on the way out.
Can't anyone in this army read a map?
This sort of fiasco has been seen before, a number of times too, with the end results not always harmless to residents. The Boise PD was very lucky here, nobody was hurt. Depending on "luck" is however akin to skating on thin ice with heated skates, to stay within the bounds of polite conversation..
And none of the police got shot. They should count themselves very lucky and be more careful next time.
I remember when Radley Balko first started writing for Reason about the black family in a poor neighborhood who had their home invaded by thugs who (later) claimed to have yelled "police" before breaking in. For firing in terrified self-defense, the husband and father was lucky to avoid a death sentence.
By just saying "oops" the police get to avoid any sentence. It's just not good enough.
"and brandish military-style assault weaponry at them."
You're doing the government a great service son. Now make sure to mention those citizens and their military-style handguns like glocks and M-9s, and those evil sniper rifles like the Remington 700. Oh and high-capacity magazines, and short haircuts, and camo clothes. We can stop it!
"Of course, the police didn't intend to ambush a bunch of innocent people in the middle of the night, break down their door, throw a grenade, and brandish military-style assault weaponry at them. Rather, the police intended to do all those things to a bunch of criminal suspects."
Perhaps that is the authors attempt at sarcasm, but let's not forget suspects are innocent until proven guilty.
Map of Botched Paramilitary Police Raids - Cato Institute
http://www.cato.org ? raidmap
Mobile-friendly - An interactive map of botched SWAT and paramilitary police raids, released in conjunction with the Cato policy paper ...
although it's easy to imagine something going wrong, even if the police had assaulted the correct address.
Yeah, jost ask Jose Guerena's widow about that one. HE is the victim, the dead victim, of a police wrong address raid. His widow and two young children still miss him. The cops that busted into their home in the middle of the night did NOT miss him... seventy rounds struck him and they just left him to bleed out on the floor, his wife being denied even the ability to help him. Nor would they let the EMT's in until after he was dead.
Yeah, they got all the cool cop toys, and the rah rah training. Boise got off easy, no one was hurt. Sorry, I'm not impressed.