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Premarital Sex Is 'Not Wrong at All,' Say 58 Percent of Americans

On the other hand, fewer approve of extramarital sex.

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Over the past half century, rising individualism among Americans has coincided with ever loosening of attitudes toward sex relationships of all types. We've also seen an increasing number of lifetime sexual partners—except among Millennials. So say data derived from the General Social Survey (GSS), as reported in a new study by a team of psychologists led by Jean Twenge from San Diego State University. The survey, conducted almost annually by researchers at the University of Chicago, spans from 1972 to 2012 and covers some 57,000 participants.

Twenge's team first reviews data that indicate increasing individualism. For example, top 10 song lyrics are more likely now to use first person singular (I, me, mine) and second person singular pronouns (you, yours) instead of first person plural pronouns (we, ours). Several studies used the Google Books Ngram Viewer as a way to probe American cultural trends. For example, since 1960 the use of first person plural pronouns has decreased 10 percent in all books, while the first person singular increased 42 percent and the second person singular quadrupled. Books since are also less likely to use such words as virtue, modesty, and purity, and more likely to use words emphasizing choice over obligation. Finally, adolescent religiosity has been declining since the 1970s. The psychologists argue that these trends suggest that Americans are ever more willing to throw over traditional strictures, including those related to sex. In general, Americans have become more sexually permissive, both in outlook and practice.

The researchers also aim to tease out any differences in sexual attitudes and behaviors arising from cultural shifts over time, generational divergences, and changes due to aging. They divvy up Americans by generations, sorting us into the Greatest Generation (born 1900-1924), the Silent Generation (1925-1945), Boomers (1946–1964), GenX (1965–1981), and Millennials (1982-1999).

In 1972, the GSS started asking about attitudes toward premarital sex, extramarital sex, and homosexual sex; in 1985, it added a question about sex between 14- to 16-year-olds. Respondents could reply that such behaviors are "always wrong," "almost always wrong," "wrong only sometimes," or "not wrong at all." The study found that "between the 1970s and the 2010s, American adults became more accepting of premarital sex, adolescent sex, and same-sex sexual activity, but less accepting of extramarital sex."

Only 29 percent of American adults (35 percent of men and 23 percent of women) said premarital sex is "not wrong at all" in the early 1970s. Acceptance went up to 42 percent in the 1980s, remained flat in the 1990s, climbed to 49 percent in the 2000s, and surged to 58 percent in 2012. Generationally speaking, 47 percent of Boomers in the 1970s thought premarital sex was not wrong at all, compared to 50 percent of GenXers in the 1990s, and 62 percent of Millennials in the 2010s. Meanwhile, Americans' already strong disapproval of extramarital sex has toughened over the decades. Just 4 percent of the country—5.6 percent of men and 1.9 percent of women—accepted it in 1973. In 2012 the number was 1 percent (2 percent men and 0.6 percent women).

The biggest attitudinal change has been the fast rising tolerance of sexual activity between adults of the same gender. Here acceptance hovered between 11 and 16 percent until 1993, when it shot up to 22 percent (21 percent of men and 23 percent of women). By 2012, it reached 44 percent (35 percent of men and 51 percent of women). In the 1970s, 21 percent of people ages 18 to 29 believed that homosexual activity was not wrong at all, compared to 26 percent in the 1990s and 56 percent in the 2010s.

Adult Americans have long taken a dim view toward sex between young adolescents with only about 4 percent agreeing that it was acceptable as late 2006. That figure rose slightly from 4 percent in 2006 (5.6 percent of men and 3 percent of women) to 6 percent in 2012 (6.4 percent of men and 5.7 percent of women).

So much for attitudes. Do Americans sexually practice what they preach (or tolerate)? The average number of lifetime partners increases from 2.12 for those born in the early part of the 20th century to 11.68 for those born in the 1950s, then declines to 8.26 for those born in the 1980s and 1990s. "Thus," the authors conclude, "Millennials report 6 more sexual partners than G.I.s [Greatest Generation], Boomers reported 9 more partners than G.I.s, and Millennials reported 3 fewer partners than Boomers." They add, "The median number of partners was 1 for those born in the 1910s–1920s, 2 for the 1930s cohort, 3 for the 1940s, 4 for the 1950s–1960s, and 3 for those born in the 1970s–1990s."

If Millennials are so permissive, why do they have fewer sexual partners than their Boomer parents? It is possible that the advent of AIDS inculcated more sexual restraint. Millennials also report more casual sex, which the researchers speculate might mean that they are enjoying "regular contact between a limited number of individuals, perhaps reducing the overall number of partners."

The study concludes that the shift toward greater sexual permissiveness (with the exception of extramarital sex) occurs generationally. In other words, people form their views around sexuality as adolescents and young adults, and they don't change them much as they grow older. As the Boomers begin to shuffle off this mortal coil, the Millennials look set to let it all hang out.

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  1. Before I got married, I saved vaginal sex for the wedding night. After my divorce, I started dating men. I figured that saving anal sex for marriage was a good parallel rule for my gay relationships. It was worth the wait just to see one date spit out his beer when I told him of that rule.

    1. Shocking and abhorrent!

      Wasting good beer like that…

    2. Protip: A good date swallows, not spits.

    3. If you registered just to make this comment, that’s awesome.

  2. “Twenge’s team first reviews data that indicate increasing individualism… first person singular increased 42 percent and the second person singular quadrupled. Books since are also less likely to use such words as virtue, modesty, and purity, and more likely to use words emphasizing choice over obligation.”

    Strikes me more as a cultural shift toward self obsession than self reliance. While I fervently believe that altruism should never be compelled, thinking of others as a personal choice and self imposed responsibility is a pretty critical element in communities, especially if we ever get our way in removing unconstitutional programs.

    1. I kind of have the same fear with the War on Drugs. If we were to legalize them overnight, I don’t think society would be ready for it, and it could backfire immediately. Proggies and Cons would overnight start screaming that we should never listen to those whacky libertarians.

      Of course if the War on Drugs had never happened, society would have adapted over time to create taboos and other forms of social pressure.

      1. What do you think would be likely to be effective transition measures?

        1. Leagize weed, coke, acid, and x today. Opiates in two weeks. That should be enough transition. They started with opiates so they end with them.

  3. which the researchers speculate might mean that they are enjoying “regular contact between a limited number of individuals, perhaps reducing the overall number of partners.”

    Based on the millennials I know, they aren’t “enjoying” any kind of contact. They are the most uptight, least happy people I know.

    1. C’mon, do I seem uptight and unhappy to you?

    2. Hey, keep that shit about us to yourself!

    3. Hmm… Sounds like we need to poll millennials.

    4. They just lay there while you do your thing?

    5. They are the most uptight, least happy people I know.

      They all married young?

  4. “For example, top 10 song lyrics are more likely now to use first person singular (I, me, mine) and second person singular pronouns (you, yours) instead of first person plural pronouns (we, ours).”

    So these are communitarian-oriented songs?

    We Got the Beat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f55KlPe81Yw

    We Will Rock You / We are the Champions

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNWvNEPsilI

    1. We’re Not Gonna Take It

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI

      Led Zeppelin, We’re Gonna Groove

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpe6k3FzCOo

      1. The Rolling Stones, Let’s Spend the Night Together

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAOQkSFTKMw

        The Beatles, Why Don’t We Do It in the Road

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM02WcvlKn0

    2. So these are communitarian-oriented songs?

      I’m sure we thought of all the possible nuances to this sort of superficial analysis.

      /sarc

    3. I Stand Alone

  5. Socrates:

    “I drank what?”

    1. Lol’s

  6. Ronald Bailey Probes America’s Growing Sexual Permissiveness

    I bet he does! I bet he does! Say no more!

    1. Ron’s a goer?

    2. What’s it like?

  7. I’ll just leave this here, then.

    A young generation of women is discovering a new brand of sexy in the most unlikely of places: their grandmothers’ underwear drawers.

    “When I walk into a lingerie store, I’m always like, ‘OK, which drawer in here is for the grannies?’ ” Daphne Javitch, 35, said of her predilection for ample-bottomed undies.

    That preference led Javitch, in 2010, to found Ten Undies, a line with a cult following that sells cotton full-bottom bikinis, boy shorts and high-waist briefs not unlike the kind immortalized in “Bridget Jones’s Diary.” (“Hello, mommy.”) Ten’s wares are comfortable and practical, but that’s hardly the only draw.

    “Within millennial and Generation Y consumer groups, it’s considered cool to be wearing full-bottom underwear,” said Bernadette Kissane, an apparel analyst at the market intelligence firm Euromonitor International. “Thongs have had their moment.”

    So I ask again, is there anything millennials can’t ruin?

    http://www.seattletimes.com/na…..to-thongs/

    1. So I ask again, is there anything millennials can’t ruin?

      Dude, don’t challenge them. They might set aside their apathy and middle-class world-weariness for a moment to take you up on it.

      1. Hey, MY generation INVENTED middle-class world-weariness. They’ll have to pull that from my cold, dead hands.

        1. *pulls out rusty nippers*

        2. Will do.

          *looks around for rifle*

        3. Whatever, Paul., Millenials just don’t care about your generations world-weariness and are inventing it all over again because it’s cool not to care, as long as you’re not caring in a conformist, expensive way.

        4. Fuck these punks and their faux-weariness. “Oh! My Apple watch didn’t charge last night! My food selfie is blurry! NOOOOOOOOOOO!”

          Live through gas lines, disco, Carter and the 1980 cast of SNL. *Then,* we can talk about your malaise.

          1. They can all get off my lawn, damn it.

            1980 wasn’t so bad. Piscopo and Murphy. Chevy Chase was just a bad memory.

          2. first of all, lol… second, you should be careful of who you say that shit in front of… pick your battles, mang.

      2. They? Oh jesse. Don’t try to hide.

        1. Wait, are we Millennials?

          I thought we were some awkward cusp between Gen X and Millennials that got to make fun of both generations without actually having to belong.

          Or are you just saying I’m apathetic with middle-class world-weariness? Because that might be true, but I was doing it before it was cool.

          1. Wait. You were born in 81′?

            1. No, ’83.

              1. ’83? God, no wonder your lawn is so shitty.

                1. He lives across the street from my kids’ school, as homosexuals are wont to do. Every time we drive past, my oldest comments on the sad state of his lawn.

                2. Water Dogs aren’t good at lawn care?

                  1. Dog pee burns grass, you knucklehead!

                    1. THERE’S A DROUGHT ON, MAN!

                      I’m just trying to do my part.

                      (Actually I’m a renter and my landlord won’t re-grade the lawn so that the water doesn’t just run off into the street rather than absorb into the infertile dirt that passes for soil)

                    2. You need to develop your topsoil by placing decomposing organic matter on your lawn.

                      Like corpses.

                    3. Corpses, you say?

                      Totally unrelated: Hey, Los Doyers, you should stop by for a drink this weekend. I promise this one won’t have any rohypnol in it.

                    4. Stop trying to ruin my game, HM. I have a lawn to fertilize I just want to hang out with my buddy LD.

                    5. I’m just thinking of the lawn. You put him in there and all you’ll grow is cilantro!

                    6. Ahem, and jalape?os.

                    7. Wait, I like cilantro. Think a limero and a variety of chilies might also take?

                    8. That’s it. We must kill him for the sake of Tacos al Pastor.

                    9. I would murder Los Doyers for some al Pastor right now.

                    10. I know a good spot off of Florence and Crenshaw. The pastor is to murder for and their salsas are superb.

                    11. murdering pastors… you millenials are out of control

                    12. Hey now, if I’m a millennial, you are. Besides we’re talking about murdering FOR pastors, so it’s cool. They have an in with the big guy.

                    13. I am not a Millennial. You take that back, woman!

              2. Oh you’re a millennial buddy. I’m the tweener.

                1. ’79. But I don’t remember Carter.


                  1. ’79. But I don’t remember Carter.

                    Who now?

                  2. ’79. But I don’t remember Carter.

                    I do… I do…

                2. Oh you’re a millennial buddy.

                  I’m miffed by this new found knowledge.

                  1. Hey Jesse, would you like to participate in a poll?

                    1. That sounds like a proposition…

                  2. Yeah I’m ’83 too and everything I’ve read says I’m a Millenial, but I don’t have to believe it. What do I have in common with people who don’t remember library card catalogs?


                    1. What do I have in common with people who don’t remember library card catalogs?

                      Or never dialed a phone. The Phone system must stay the same!

          2. It varies of course but most peeps say you’re a millennial if born in 81 or later.

            1. Noooooooooooooooooooooo [takes a deep breath] oooooooooooooo!

              So I’m in the same generation as Los Doyers?

              *sobs*

              1. I know. It’s going to be okay.

              2. Great. Nothing like oldz stiff arming their way into my generation in a futile attempt to hide their face wrinkles.

                1. THEY’RE SMILE LINES

            2. YOU’RE ALL A BUNCH OF PUNK KIDZ!

              1. You know we are only 3 years away from kids born in the year 2000-2001 graduating high school. What do we call them?

                  1. Generation Dumb, I like it

                1. I call mine “Jim.” Or “Shithead,” depending on my mood.

                2. If my 15 year old is at all representative they are gonna make the millenials look like worker bees

            3. Fuck that. I was born in 83, but from now on I self identify as whatever generation Charles Bronson was in. So all you young punks don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way off my lawn.

    2. Every word of that article enrages me until I can now only see red.

      1. This is the kind of shit that gets above-the-fold treatment in my town.

    3. Fuckin’ Gautama Buddha on a stick — I already knew that a millenial guy marrying my daughters is an impossibility with all the goddamn pussies out there, but I held out some slight hope that on the off chance that one of them is a lesbian, there would be some hope. Looks like that option’s right out the window. Shit.

  8. I know this is very Pauline Kael, but seriously, who are the 42% who don’t think it’s always okay to fornicate these days? Even my grandmother seems completely fine with it. There just aren’t that many Duggars. Or whatever.

    1. Fathers of teenaged daughters?

      Jus’ sayin’

      1. It’s a tough call.

        I’m all for fornicatin’… for me.

        For my teenage daughter? It’s 1954 in Paul.’s house.

      2. They think it’s actually “wrong”?

        1. They think it’s actually “wrong”?

          I dunno. I’ll let you know in about 5 years.

        2. No, they’re just afraid their daughters will somehow end up with an asshole like they thought they were. It’s really a no-brainer. I can’t say I blame them; however, I’m fully cognizant of the fact that if I forbid my daughter to have sex, and actually do something to prevent it, I’m depriving her of some of the best years of her life. That doesn’t mean I have to like it. Hell, I’m not even going to pretend to like it. But it’s still how it is.

      3. +1 shotgun

        1. I have had conversations with son about which guns we were taking to the range tomorrow – purposely within earshot of my daughter’s boyfriend.

          1. What happens if he’s a gun guy too?

            1. Kind of what happened with my father-in-law. He went into his old Marine act and showed me his old Jap Arisaka. (Apparently it had scared off earlier boyfriends)

              I was a young Marine and got excited and figured out how to field-strip it.

    2. Religious people?

      1. My grandmother is hyperreligious. And she’s over it.

        1. Hmm. I’m out of ideas.

          1. Well, me too.

          2. Did you test for dementia?

        2. I think your grandmother is an anomaly

          1. She could be. She would have said it was wrong a few decades ago. But then her kids and grandkids spent decades fornicating. I assume that has happened to a lot of people.

            1. My mom told me once that she didn’t want me to have sex before marriage but if I got pregnant, she’d rather I kept the baby so she could have grandchildren. I think it’s one of those areas of morality for people that is based more on trying to avoid consequences than on avoiding causing harm to people. So if someone doesn’t perceive the consequences as being that bad, it makes sense that they’d stop thinking it’s an issue.

            2. She gave up?

        3. How is she on gay marriage?

          *Ducks and runs from the room*

          1. Actually I have no idea. We have some secretly gay relatives, no idea if she even knows.

    3. I take it you’ve never met Asian or Hispanic immigrants…

      1. A native-born Hispanic woman is literally the only person I have ever met who waited until marriage. But I’ve known hundreds and hundreds, and I’ve always suspected that she didn’t think it was “wrong” so much as she thought it was an easier way to get married.

      2. I’ve known a ton of Asian immigrants and American born asians of immigrants. None I’ve known thought that pre-marital sex is morally wrong. However none were hardcore Christian Asians either (those who were Christian were non-church attending, mostly secular).

        I did know of a group of young Christian evangelicals who basically tried to recruit everyone they met, that included Asians in college, and I would guess that group had the aversion…

    4. who are the 42% who don’t think it’s always okay to fornicate [before marriage] these days?

      Generationally speaking, 47 percent of Boomers in the 1970s thought premarital sex was not wrong at all, compared to 50 percent of GenXers in the 1990s, and 62 percent of Millennials in the 2010s.

      Non-GenXers mostly.

  9. It is possible that the advent of AIDS inculcated more sexual restraint.

    This^. I hate condoms. I don’t want an STD. Thus, I am monogamous.

    1. I cheated on pretty much every girlfriend I ever had, with the exception of the one I married. I knew she was the one from the very beginning and didn’t want to fuck it up. Taking home an STD would fuck it up.

      1. There is no talking your way out of that one.
        “UK, I got it from you!?”

        1. Replace the United Kingdom with “Uh”
          *punches auto correct in dick*

        2. I know a guy who did exactly that and pulled it off. She thought she was busted for sure and ‘fessed up.

          1. + all the luck in the world

          2. So he thought he was going to get busted for cheating, and instead found out that she was cheating. Doesn’t seem like a victory to me.

            1. more of a tie.

          3. they sound perfect for each other

            1. they sound perfect for each other

              Seriously. Slap “Open” in front of that relationship and everyone wins.

  10. What’s all this ‘sex’ I keep hearing about?

  11. “If Millennials are so permissive, why do they have fewer sexual partners than their Boomer parents?”

    Um, becuase their parents had something like 40 extra years to acquire additional partners?

    I mean a metric of Total number of sexual partners is utterly useless to compare sexual practices between generations because the older cohort will always skew higher by virtue of the fact that they have had more time,

    The relevant metric is total partners by age.

    what is the average number of partners boomers had by age 25, 30 what is the average number of partners millenials (who are mostly between 25 and 30)

    Now with that you have an apples to apples comparison.

    I suspect the Boomers and millenials would be pretty close on that metric with both beating Gen X out

    1. Following the recommendations of Yang and Land (2013), we estimated mixed effects models allowing intercepts to vary across time periods (years) and generations (cohorts). Thus, effectively, an intercept (mean attitudes toward sexuality) score was calculated (using empirical Bayes) for each cohort and each survey year. In addition, a fixed intercept (grand mean) is estimated along with a fixed linear effect of age. This model has three variance components: One for variability in intercepts due to cohorts (su0), one for variability in intercepts due to period (sv0), and a residual term containing unmodeled variance within cohorts and periods. Variance in the intercepts across time periods and cohorts indicates period and cohort differences, respectively. Effectively, this allows us to estimate the mean attitude towards sexuality (or mean number of sexual partners) for each period and cohort that are independent of each other and age. Weighting could not be used for the mixed-effects analyses because proper probability weighting for variance component estimation requires taking into account pairwise selection probabilities, which is not possible with current statistical software.

      1. is this in English?

        1. We all can’t be Sal Khan, you know!

          1. KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!

      2. I’m not talking about the Studies estimations of attitudes towards Sex, I was specifically referring to Ron’s use of that misleading statistic as being indicative of anything.

        You can’t use total number of lifetime sex partners as the basis for examining whether aids effected generational sexual behavior because of the differential in time that the two groups have had.

        In otherwords, of course Boomers have had more sex partners than their kids/grandkids, they were around at the start of the sexual revolution and have had somewhere between 35 and 50 years of sexual activity to rack up notches.

        Millennials have had at the absolute most 20 years and the average millennial has been sexually active for about a decade.

        Basically Boomers average 0.3 new partners per year, Millenials average 0.8

        So who exactly has more partners?

        1. I see. I agree with that point.

    2. ” “If Millennials are so permissive, why do they have fewer sexual partners than their Boomer parents?”

      World of Warcraft?

  12. And yet, we see an ongoing freakout over sexuality among the young, as evidenced by the sexting inquisition thread yesterday.
    America- schizo land.

    1. It makes perfect sense because there’s a natural human instinct to draw moral boundaries regarding sex, and when the normal boundaries break down, that instinct has to be satisfied somehow, and worrying about young people is the way to do it.

      So whenever there’s evidence of excess sexual activity among the youth, the putative adults say, “huh, how come these young people are following our example? Did we teach them proper sexual habits in our Don’t Do It And Here’s How sex-ed courses?”

      1. *Didn’t* we teach…

      2. It makes perfect sense because there’s a natural human instinct to draw moral boundaries regarding sex

        Cite?

        1. Don Brown?

          Though, a lot of that focuses on incest taboos.

        2. “Cultural Universals are traits and institutions that occur in all cultures worldwide….

          “All cultures follow some sort of law or rules, and establish private property. Other prevalent themes are marriage and gender roles. Also found to be universal is trade.”

          http://evopsychproj.blogspot.c…..rsals.html

          The same people who attack the idea of sexual norms being a cultural universal are the ones who don’t think private property is universal, either.

          1. That is culture, not instinct. Our instinct is to fuck. Just like every other living species on the planet.

            And your citation is nothing more than a list of words.

            1. Here’s a shovel – can you dig it, fool?

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffCEr327W44

            2. I have no wish to step in the middle of a Eddie vs. Francisco vale tudo match, but I just want to point out that if a certain behavior or belief has been documented in every human culture known, then that would suggest that the origins of this behavior transcend a particular culture’s adaptation to their geographic, temporal, etc. context but stem from something deeper that is probably due to how we’re all hard-wired. The observation that human universals exist doesn’t imply that a particular universal is morally correct, as that would be the naturalistic fallacy; however, these universals do exist for better or worse.

              1. We all just want what’s best for our children…

              2. Again, sexual norms grow out of culture. Women are better off if they have a provider for their offspring and cultural norms evolve to support that. The fact that most cultures come to the same conclusion doesn’t make it instinct.

                Our instinct is to fuck like rabbits to ensure survival of the species and to pass on our dominant genes. If there was no desire to fuck, we wouldn’t do it. That’s instinct.

                1. “Women are better off if they have a provider for their offspring and cultural norms evolve to support that. The fact that most cultures come to the same conclusion doesn’t make it instinct.”

                  OK, what if I simply said that U.S. cultural norms casually discard the accumulated wisdom of the human species, and avoided the term “instinct?”

                  1. The “moral boundaries”, you speak of, serve no other purpose than to shame people into acting in ways that conform to the cultural norms.

                    For instance, not fucking till your married (cultural norm) came about because it’s harder for a young single girl, probably without a good job, to raise that child as well as a young woman with a provider can. At one time, before reliable birth control, this makes a lot of sense.

                    Today, provided responsible precautions against pregnancy are taken, it no longer makes sense. That particular cultural norm serves no useful purpose (other than it fits nicely with some people’s mysticisms).

                    There is nothing “immoral’ about the act of sex provided it’s voluntary and reasonable precautions are taken that you don’t create an unwanted person.

                    As the world advances, cultural norms change to suit living conditions. They are not carved in stone, they are not moral or immoral, and they are not instinct.

                    1. Hmmm…the way I see it, there’s been a great *increase* in the number of young single mothers without good jobs having problems raising their kids without a provider, in short, with precisely the results you refer to.

                      Call it a paradox if you wish, there seem to be more and more broken families, resulting from having kids out of wedlock. Let’s just say “responsible precautions” haven’t had the effect one might assume.

                    2. Wait, I see what you’ll do with this…”Eddie says birth control causes out of wedlock births!”

                      No, I’m saying it didn’t *stop* them. Unless in the sense of “but they would have increases *even more* without birth control!!”

                    3. the way I see it, there’s been a great *increase* in the number of young single mothers without good jobs having problems raising their kids without a provider, in short, with precisely the results you refer to.

                      [Citation required]

          2. Your “cite” doesn’t say what you’re claiming. Try again? Or are you just making this shit up as you go along?

              1. OK, then, “I’m making it up as I go along.”

                1. Yes, the supporters of the sexual revolution are the defenders of tradition, and the opponents are the ones making it up as they go along.

                  It makes sense.

                  If buttercups buzz’d after the bee,
                  If boats were on land, churches on sea,
                  If ponies rode men and if grass ate the cows,
                  And cats should be chased into holes by the mouse,
                  If the mamas sold their babies
                  To the gypsies for half a crown;
                  If summer were spring and the other way round,
                  Then all the world would be upside down.

                  http://www.contemplator.com/england/worldtur.html

                  1. Shorter Eddie: “I made shit up, got called on it, and now I’m squirming.” What does your sky buddy think about intellectual dishonesty?

                    1. Shorter candyman: “I don’t know who Steven Pinker is and I don’t want to know, I’ll just assume he’s some sort of fundamentalist at Bob Jones University.”

                    2. Still no cite. Squirm, liar, squirm!

                    3. You’re making Jesus cry.

                    4. That has got to be one of the most boldfaced falsehoods I’ve ever seen. With the citation to Pinker right above you, you declare with a straight face that there is no cite.

                      Unbelievable.

                    5. Eddie is an asshole.

                      Citation

                      PROOF!

                      See idiot? I too can call any drivel I want a citation. Calling it such doesn’t make it one.

                    6. So to be clear, you’re saying Pinker’s book is “drivel”?

                    7. No, retard. I’m saying telling someone to read an entire book as a citation for a bullshit claim makes you an asshole.

                    8. If I though I could have a worthwhile and honest discussion I would be happy to, but if someone makes clear he has no interest in such a discussion I’m simply going to show him where he can look up the information he needs, and send him on his way.

                    9. But if you’re going to be a dick, let me remind you what you said:

                      “I too can call any drivel I want a citation”

                      The natural reading of this passage is that you’re calling Pinker’s book “drivel.”

                    10. A link to an Amazon page of a book which doesn’t say what you’re claiming is not a cite, retard. A quote, a page number, that’s how it’s done, unless you’re, you know, making shit up. Your first link showed that you either have no idea of what a “natural instinct” is or that you know that you were caught making shit up and tried to duck it. I suspect the latter.

                    11. “a book which doesn’t say what you’re claiming”

                      So glad to hear you’ve read the book. Here I was, under the impression you hadn’t.

        3. If it were instinct or something intrinsic to human biology, then logically the taboos nor the laws wouldn’t vary as much over time and place as it does.

          Alan Moore discusses this in his book 25,000 Years of Erotic Freedom. But you can easily see this for yourself in pre-Christian Europe and pre-Islamic middle east, classical Egypt vs modern Egypt, etc.

          1. Technically, reading my initial post, I said that the instinct was to draw moral boundaries, then I referred to “normal” boundaries. But even when the normal boundaries break down, the instinct is still to have *some* standards.

            1. You’re initial post said “natural instinct.” Stop lying.

              1. Your. Jeez, I type too fast.

                1. Careful, you’ll break a hip.

              2. Why are you so angry? Your accusation (not that I agree with it) means at worst that I failed to that precision of expression which we have come to expect in scholarly fora like the Internet.

                But your foaming at the mouth indicates a deeper-rooted problem.

  13. If Millennials are so permissive, why do they have fewer sexual partners than their Boomer parents?

    Title IX and 3rd Wave Feminists?

    /wild guessing.

    1. Is there *any* demographic group, outside of Gomorrah, which had more sex partners than Baby Boomers?

        1. So are you riffing off of Yaacov Smirnov’s remark that “yep” means “sex” in Russian? Or are you too stupid to realize it?

          “” ‘Yep’ in Russian means sex. When I came hear and heard ‘Yep, yep, yep,’ I thought, ‘What a country!’ I met a girl who said, ‘I’m a yuppie.’ ‘Me too,’ I said.”

          http://articles.latimes.com/19…..aby-powder

          Whoomp, there it is!

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-FPimCmbX8

      1. Alive today? Probably not.

        However Parisians of the 1880’s – 1890’s and Venitians of the mid 16th century probably had them beat.

        1. And you’ll notice that all those Venetians are dead now.

          1. Yes well they certainly didn’t go blind from masturbating

            1. Can Venetian blinds really see?

  14. Do musical instruments count as partners? Because this one time, in band camp…

    1. Shouldn’t you be saying:
      “This one time, in the lab, I stuck a graduated cylinder up my ass.”?

      1. He has a secret fetish for proctology appointments.

      2. “I played Bride of Frankenstein with my monster.”

      3. A graduated cylinder?

        Guess that cylinder’s gonna be spending the rest of its life on a sex offender registry…

  15. I which much rather be back in the 80’s than be a college-age guy now. Fake rape victims ruining men’s lives, SWJ warriors everywhere, women who never look up from their phones. Yuck.

    1. http://www.vintag.es/2014/04/t…..1980s.html

      And the cameltoe…..god how I miss all the cameltoe. It was like a badge of honor.

      1. That gallery is dead without this playing in the background.

      2. Needs more nudity.

  16. I’m just here to bitch about Tinder.

    1. Have you become just another statistic?

      1. Too many chicks on there looking for the one and not looking for dick. IT’S NOT ME IT’S THEM.

        1. *scratches Tinder off the list*

  17. I don’t believe it. When I see the first stock offering from Warty’s Magical Dungeon? then I will believe it.

  18. Anyone who was sentient during the 70’s knows that there has not been any sort of regular progression toward more openness (read “sanity”) with respect to sex in this country. Maybe with respect to premarital sex there has been some sort of recent shift towards acceptance relative to how things have been since the Reagan era and the reign of the “moral majority”, but in many other respects the hysteria over sex has only grown – what with making teenagers sex offenders for texting photos of their own nude bodies and the current atmosphere on college campuses.

    I remember finding a bunch of old, popular magazine from way back in the 20’s, 30’s and 40’s and many of the ads in those magazines were far more “suggestive” and titillating than much of anything you will see in magazines today.

    1. What’s a magazine?

    2. I kind of agree with this. The hysteria about sex still exists, it’s just shifted to different areas- and political affiliations.

      Go back to the 80s and try to imagine a law being passed in California of all places, demanding adult actors wear a condom.

      1. yeah but California’s practically a utopia now, they just need to fine-tune

    3. One prominent example is the sexualiz’n of children that’s gone on in the past 30-40 yrs. It’s a strange situation where more thinking about sex has led to a projection of such thinking. There’s a hyper-awareness of the possibility (or probability) of adults’ thinking about children as sex objects at the same time that there’s a near promotion of them as such. I’m having trouble finding the words to describe it, but it’s responsible for such phenomena as parents being paranoid of others being pedophiles at the same time as mothers seem to be vicariously trying to increase sexual attractiveness thru their daughters, clothing-wise.

      1. I’ve noticed that too. It’s kind of odd to see prepubescent girls walking around in super-short skirts and leather knee boots with their mothers.

  19. Interesting way to use Google Ngrams. I’ve used it to look merely at what I took to be language trends, such as “double down” vs. “double up” or “bar” vs. “cake” of soap, rather than meaning trends.

  20. It’s those damn libertarians. Bunch of whores.

  21. I predict Peak Slut.

    simply put adults who are easy, and don’t marry also don’t have kids…or they have less kids then the less slutty.

    Over time the sluts will simply be selected out of the gene pool. I think millennial shifting to fewer partners is a sign that peak slut is upon us.

    1. The slutty DO have kids, though. They just end up being raised in a shared custody arrangement and never knowing what a two-parent household is like.

  22. The problem with polls…
    Most would probably favor communism, Keynesianism, believe in aliens (ETs), etc.

    There is a similar illusion affection mainly women that they will be as fertile in their late ’40s as they are in their early ’20s.

    Also I believe much of this has to do with “no fault” divorce. You can break a vow made before God, break a contract (Libertarians seem not to care about marriage contracts), hurt children, etc. very easily, but don’t try that with your student loan contract. They ought to be the opposite.

  23. If the country is teetering towards another war, financial crisis, or socialism, count on true libertarians to rally around free love and free pot.

  24. Google pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months now and he works about 22 hours a week. I cant believe how easy it was once I tried it out.

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  25. Ah, the world the progressives have wrought. Premarital sex is ok and all sex is rape. All at the same time.

  26. Google pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months now and he works about 22 hours a week. I cant believe how easy it was once I tried it out.
    This is wha- I do…… ?????? http://www.www.netjob80.com

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