Ireland Perched to Become First Country to Legalize Gay Marriage Recognition Via Vote
The public will decide, and polls indicate they'll say yes.


Voters on Friday will take to the polls in Ireland for a special referendum to legalize recognition of gay marriage. The Catholic Church is telling its members to vote no (some priests, though, are recommending otherwise). Politicians and celebrities (Bono!) are telling citizens to vote yes. From The Guardian:
Ireland's prime minister, Enda Kenny, has made a final plea for a yes vote in the referendum to legalise gay marriage.
The taoiseach told the Irish electorate on Wednesday night: "There is nothing to fear for voting for love and equality."
Kenny made his plea on live television ahead of a broadcasting embargo imposed on all sides of same-sex marriage debate.
Yes, so now apparently everybody has to shut their mouths on gay marriage in Ireland. Their laws forbid public statements on all sides of the issue starting 24 hours prior to the election. They should have a referendum to get rid of that censorious regulation.
Ireland does currently have a civil partnership system for same-sex couples, implemented in 2010, but it lacks some of the same legal recognitions and protections as marriage there.
Should Ireland voters approve same-sex marriage recognition—and polls indicate that they will—Ireland will be the 19th country to legalize it, but the first to do so through a public vote. It's a sign of how quickly public attitudes have changed on gay acceptance. Ireland struck down anti-sodomy laws back in the 1990s (which is still about a decade earlier than the Supreme Court followed suit in the United States). It took only 20 years to get from threatening to put gay people in jail to legally recognizing their relationships.
I would make a tacky, predictable joke about the Lucky Charms leprechaun marrying Captain Crunch or something, but General Mills itself beat me to it two summers ago with an ad campaign to coincide with gay pride celebrations.
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I would make a tacky, predictable joke
Scott, you ignorant slut. Homos can't be tacky. They're campy.
They're campy.
Like Patrick Stewart in Jeffrey
Precisely. Or Robin Williams in The Birdcage. Or Sylvester Stallone in Rocky.
You haven't even seen the original La Cage aux Folles, have you. Sigh.
Oh man, I saw it when Kelsey Grammer was playing Georges. Phenomenal performance.
I don't listen to hip-hop.
All portrayed by heterosexuals, depriving gay actors of the right to play gay people. Characters should only be portrayed by actors of the same oppressed protected class. Damn the discrimination!
Whatever, as long as Nathan Lane keeps getting work it's fine. He's a national treasure.
Oh, jesse, you naive, oppressed fool. Don't you know that only the elite majority can speak for the oppressed? Go back to your home and send dick pictures to Episiarch and let me handle the, wait, which group are you in again? I get so confused running other people's lives.
Jeez, I'm a trans-lesbian Baha'i of color. I'm in ALL the groups.
I would never send dick pics to Episiarch. It would be a kindness I just can't bring myself to give him.
Don't listen to jesse. He knows I'm a size queen and he's worried he won't measure up.
It's true that jesse is waiting, watching, judging. Why, just yesterday, he found Jim Brown. . .wanting. Which means, I guess, that he's still on the 'Bs'.
Poles are rising for the upcoming erection. Hows that?
HOT
Lacist?
Can't I use ? any more?
? acist? It let me use it with space but not as prefix. Preview's no help, it previewed fine, but then posting, no Engrish.
I love sluts!
"Their laws forbid public statements on all sides of the issue starting 24 hours prior to the election."
Wut?! I don't even...
Pretty common outside US. Not only parties, but media in general aren't allowed to do stuff that would influence outcomes. BBC coverage of last UK election was quite hilarious - "there's an election going on, but we can't tell you much about it. So people are bringing dogs to polling stations, and this has caused #dogsatpollingstations tag to trend on Twitter"
No exit polls, no analysis, no commercials (though in places you are allowed to remind voters to vote, so you can target your own).
And this is what Hillary! would reduce us to, eh?
Yes.
Dogs at polls.
No, Hillary! only wants to muzzle one side.
I dunno, imagine a world where politics is off-limits 24-48 hours before an election. In theory it's quite awesome. Just a thought of politicians grinding their teeth because they want to go out there and posture, but can't, is a delight.
The Irish would be shocked at the pols workin' the lines at polling places here, then, huh? Three years ago, some smarmy rep from the Dems was working the line at my polling place telling people we don't really need a state Constitutional amendment making eminent domain much more difficult for the state.
I would be shocked at that. Where I am there is like a 100 foot buffer zone around the polling places.
Stranger Danger!
Yes, Marriage is not God's business but Caesars and must be heavily regulated
So much butt-hurt.
I strongly oppose same-sex marriage. I'm on record. I also strongly oppose any other kind of marriage. It's all just a sham to get me to give people presents and then they divorce and do it all over again with different people.
I felt that when they divorce they should give the presents back.
They never do.
I recently spent more than a round trip flight to Berlin as a groomsman for my friend's wedding.
PSA: Elope and throw a big party when you come back. Your friends will hate you less.
I would accept this.
I assume you mean state recognition and licensing of marriage, not forbidding people from getting married according to their own customs.
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I would make a tacky, predictable joke about the Lucky Charms leprechaun marrying Captain Crunch
First of all, it is Cap'N, and he is no homo.
Franken Berry on the other hand...
Interesting you bring up Franken Berry, as his cereal tastes like 3-day-old testicle smegma.
And he likes it, all while wearing strawberry fingernail paint.
Glad I have no idea what 3-day-old testicle smegma tastes like.
Even typing it makes me want to hurl.
*quietly sets aside the very idea of lunch today*
"Hey, waitress! Is it too late to make that vinagrette instead of Ranch dressing?"
Sriracha is a huge help
Sriracha infused testicles?!
First of all, it is Cap'N, and he is no homo.
Counterpoint
Counterpoint 2: "Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash."
I should have linked this the first time!
Whoo! Go Cap'n!
+1 Pogues seminal album
You did something there, and I believe I observed it.
+1 sniff one off the wrist down on the ould main drag
Remember the commercial where they drained L. Mich. & filled it w milk? The did do that on TV. Take that, late Stan Freberg!
Come to think of it, he probably did Crunch's voice. Or maybe it was Daws Butler.
Wikipedia says Butler did it.
First of all, it is Cap'N, and he is no homo.
Just ask the Cab'N Boy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSYAKN8Qz40
If this is approved by popular vote, how will the anti-homo-marriage people whine about judicial fiat?!? How, I ask you? How?
Also, if any cereal mascot is gay, it's Sugar Bear. Right jesse?
Holy shit, I haven't thought of Sugar Crisps in decades.
Blue shirt, no pants. Yup, that's you, jesse.
THAT SONG
How does this affect Lucky the Leprechaun's asexual status?
It just shows that the pernicious hateful disgusting homos succeeded in their mission to poison the minds of the people against marriage. Or something. Let's ask Eddie...or no, never mind, let's not.
That's like from the 70's. Which is appropriate, I guess... But I think they changed the name because sugar is bad and stuff.
What am I, chopped liver?
You weren't in the thread yet! jesse was! Also...Liver Bear doesn't sound as good as Sugar Bear.
Liver Bear is here!
*scene of children crying and fleeing room*
At least it's not Pedobear.
Yeah, that bear might bar the way to the door, eh?
That makes me think of fuzzy footwear.
I'll count your vote, as long as it is for Franken Berry.
Wait, you got a job as a cereal mascot?!
They'll probably whine about "overwhelming pressure to conform" and whatnot, but it'll be much harder. Popular vote is the way to go, and it's impressive that Ireland will be the first country to do so.
Hopefully it's not a case of telling pollster what they want to hear, like latest UK election. A (still) fairly Catholic country voting pro-gay marriage would be a good, good thing. Proviso about not being a dick, cakes etc. included.
Dick cakes?
Hmmm.... two good things coming together? Someone should get Reese's on it. Commercials might need to be reworked, though.
There's no wrong way to eat a....dick cake?
I thought more along the lines of "you got your dick in my cake." Then again, I'm not a target demographic, maybe that's an appealing line?
If the U.S. right after the 2014 election is any indication, they'll do a 180 and say that morality is not subject to the whim of voters.
Three years ago, some smarmy rep from the Dems was working the line at my polling place telling people we don't really need a state Constitutional amendment making eminent domain much more difficult for the state.
I hope you gave him a dose of pepper spray.
While screaming "stop grabbing my dick!"
Wow, a whole 30 minutes and no comment from Eddie. That's not like him. You OK, bro?
AC got to him last night, I think. Check it out if you missed it.
I wonder why no one else ever thought to ask him if he was married. Maybe there's something to this hallucinogen thing after all.
Take a journey to the center of your mind, Episiarch.
I'm really more of a Psychedelic Warlords kind of guy.
Nice. Thanks.
It's great that Northern Ireland is a totally different country and nobody cares about it in the rest of the island.
http://www.theguardian.com/com.....-tolerance
I bet Rep. Peter King cares!
+1 bomb in a culvert
Just wait until some Orangemen decide to order a parade day cake from a Catholic bakery.
What is this doing in the Guardian?
They used to have a guest feature "From the Other Side" or such, years back.
Like this... http://www.theguardian.com/wor.....s2004.usa1
"It had been ordered by a gay rights activist, Gareth Lee..."
Sorry, but if this guy can't even bake his own cake, I'm having trouble believing that he's really gay.
It's always with the fucking cakes.
Fucking homos and their fucking cakes.
The judge took the view that the refusal to write the slogan was direct discrimination against Lee's sexual orientation.
Granted, I know fuck all about UK discrimination law, but that doesn't strike me as a colorable argument, unless they're suggesting that the baker would have agreed to bake the exact same cake at the request of a hetrosexual.
I just want to point out that the Space Pope is against robosexual marriage.
How about we install Space Anti-Pope?
"The Babylonian Space Captivity"
Along these lines, I think the heterosexual majority should stop opposing gay marriage once and for all, with one small compromise. Each and every ceremony must be conducted by an android designed to look, speak, and behave precisely like Peter Cook in The Princess Bride.
Well, he is reptilian.
Bob Filner is the Space Pope!?
GAH?!!!
Catholic Ireland or protestant Ireland?
I really hope they manage this. A popular vote victory would be real.
I will admit that I'm afraid this might be the same thing we saw with the UK election.
I found this hilarious however--
If this is approved by popular vote, how will the anti-homo-marriage people whine about judicial fiat?!? How, I ask you? How?
Because, in every instance where the popular vote failed SSM, judicial fiat was the route taken. And SSM failed in some VERY blue, VERY progressive places. Oregon. California--almost as if the People didn't agree with the activists.
SSM activists don't respect the popular vote in the least.
In my experience the most successful advertising for Prop 8 in CA was the blood libel "THE HOMOS ARE COMING FOR YOUR CHILDREN" stuff. I had a coworker tell me that she didn't really mind gays getting married, but just didn't want her children learning about it.
It's impressive what you can accomplish with dire music and a respectable old dude telling you the end of your way of life is coming.
JESSE IS AN ANTI-SEMITE
"THE HOMOS ARE COMING FOR YOUR CHILDREN"
WELL WEREN'T THEY?!!
"but just didn't want her children learning about it."
This was actually the most common thing I heard. There was a fear with people who really didn't care if gays got married, but a legal acceptance would create social "normalization" and they didn't want their children being taught this social "norm" in school.
Yeah, and US Civil Rights Activists in the sixties acheived most of their goals through judicial fiat, too. And yet I don't see you getting all butt-hurt about that.
Perhaps you misunderstand.
What I'm saying is that SSM activists don't respect the will of the people--the same 'will' that's being lauded prematurely< right now.
Should 'the people' vote wrong, they'll head for the courts--even if the people are notoriously liberal..
They want to win--and they don't care who they hurt to do so.
And, are you serious? People in libertarian circles routinely get themselves in hot water because they feel that a lot of civil rights goals were aquired in improper and counterproductive ways
Lastly, when SSM came up for the vote where I live, I voted for it
Flat out lie. Arizona rejected a marriage amendment in 2006, and the anti-Gay side pushed for a "do over" with a less hateful amendment in 2008 which passed. If the anti-Gay side fails to respect the will of the voters, then so can the pro-Gay side.
It would be ironic if the only country in Europe to ratify gay marriage through the public vote were also one of the few countries in Europe with pro-life legislation.
Would at least break some hoary cliches.
That said, my understanding is that this is in part an attempt from Irish politicians to stay on the right side of the EU and its courts, without pissing off their religious voters by endorsing the legislation outright on its merits.
Patrick Fitzgerald and Gerald Fitzpatrick.
Wait til the dissed bakers put orange icing on their wedding cakes
We need to gather all his comments together, have them inscribed on a giant vellum scroll and sent to the Smithsonian, the Library of Congress and Reason HQ.