Racism

No, Duke Didn't Discipline Prof for Racist Comments. But Its Reaction Was Still Wrong.

'Noxious, offensive, no place in civil discourse'

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Duke University Political Science Professor Jerry Hough posted racially insensitive comments on a New York Times editorial about the Baltimore riots. In response, the university rebuked him, according to Slate:

"The comments on the website were noxious, offensive and have no place in civil discourse," Michael Schoenfeld, Duke's vice president for public affairs, said in a statement. "Duke University has a deeply-held commitment to inclusiveness grounded in respect for all, and we encourage our community to speak out when they feel that those ideals are challenged or undermined, as they were in this case."

A commitment to "inclusiveness" should not override a commitment to free speech at a university that purports to value an unfettered exchange of ideas. But while the above statement wasn't exactly free-speech-affirming, I'm pleased to report that Duke did not take punitive action against Hough.

Several news outlets—who did not carefully vet this story—ran with a version of this headline: "Duke Professor on Leave After Posting Racially-Charged Comments." (That was Time.)

Hough is on academic leave, but this was pre-planned and began before he posted his comment.

"It's incorrect to say he was placed on leave as a result of this," Keith Lawrence, a spokesperson for Duke, told Reason. "He was already on leave."

The Daily Beast's Kate Briquelet got that part right, but considered Hough's comments to be just the latest in a string of racially charged incidents on campus. She listed the recent occurrence of a noose being hung from a tree as another such incident. But the noose was an accident—an innocent pun gone wrong, according to the perpetrator—not an instance of racial animus.

As for Hough's comments, here is the totality of what he wrote:

This editorial is what is wrong. The Democrats are an alliance of Westchester and Harlem, of Montgomery County and intercity Baltimore. Westchester and Montgomery get a Citigroup asset stimulus policy that triples the market. The blacks get a decline in wages after inflation.

But the blacks get symbolic recognition in an utterly incompetent mayor who handled this so badly from beginning to end that her resignation would be demanded if she were white. The blacks get awful editorials like this that tell them to feel sorry for themselves.

In 1965 the Asians were discriminated against as least as badly as blacks. That was reflected in the word "colored." The racism against what even Eleanor Roosevelt called the yellow races was at least as bad.

So where are the editorials that say racism doomed the Asian-Americans. They didn't feel sorry for themselves, but worked doubly hard.

I am a professor at Duke University. Every Asian student has a very simple old American first name that symbolizes their desire for integration. Virtually every black has a strange new name that symbolizes their lack of desire for integration. The amount of Asian-white dating is enormous and so surely will be the intermarriage. Black-white dating is almost non-existemt because of the ostracism by blacks of anyone who dates a white.

It was appropriate that a Chinese design won the competition for the Martin Luther King state. King helped them overcome. The blacks followed Malcolm X.

These are gross, nonsensical statements (Asian names are better geared for integration than black names? What?). But to say that they have "no place in civil discourse" is going too far. Is hearing, contemplating, and rejecting his claims not a worthy exercise for university students?  

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  1. Let me guess…before reading the piece, that Robby is going to have a great big qualifier in there.

    1. Oh please. You don’t read anything.

      1. Indeed, we must never read such triggering remarks?which, as I have suggested before on this site, should be carefully eradicated from our university campuses and if necessary punished by law?particularly where they stir up controversy with twisted language. Let us at least hope the professor will not claim “insensitive satire” as a defense. Manhattan prosecutors have already made considerable progress towards defining the point where “satirical” speech triggers cross the line into rank criminality, and hopefully officials at Duke and elsewhere will learn new techniques of trigger-suppression from our nation’s leading case in this area, documented at:

        http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

    2. There it is:

      These are gross, nonsensical statements (Asian names are better geared for integration than black names? What?). But to say that they have “no place in civil discourse” is going too far. Is hearing, contemplating, and rejecting his claims not a worthy exercise for university students?

      Hadda go to the end.

      1. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get invitations to cocktail parties?

      2. I am not getting the gross statements either. What is the problem exactly?

      3. The Democrats are an alliance of Westchester and Harlem, of Montgomery County and intercity Baltimore. Westchester and Montgomery get a Citigroup asset stimulus policy that triples the market. The blacks get a decline in wages after inflation.

        But the blacks get symbolic recognition in an utterly incompetent mayor who handled this so badly from beginning to end that her resignation would be demanded if she were white. The blacks get awful editorials like this that tell them to feel sorry for themselves.

        Just exactly what is nonsensical about this part?

        Sure, his comparison of relative average success of African-Americans as a group vis-a-vis Asian-Americans as a group was indelicately phrased, and the writer certainly knew that many readers would fail to grasp the metaphor that he used to explain one of the causes of the difference. I understand why the perpetually offended would take offense. And blaming Malcolm X was totally off base. But the fact is that, unlike the civil rights reforms of mid-20th Century, the welfare policies advanced by the Democratic Party have accomplished very little for African Americans or any other group in the recipient class. And the Democrat Party’s nanny-state and regulatory-state has effectively limited the economic mobility of all in the recipient class.

        1. Sober , rational thought will not be tolerated.

          Heil.

  2. I don’t remember picking my own name. Weird.

    1. Some immigrants from Asia actually pick their American first name.

      1. A guy I know who teaches English to kids in Korea told me that often their Westernized name is just picked by their teacher. He would assign new kids a name like “Ken” or “Charlie” or something and then they just keep using it for the rest of their lives.

          1. Yes. Because, alas, he did not surf.

            1. Damn you, PL, I wanted to make that joke.

              1. A joke about “Joe” is still available.

            2. Copy that.

            3. This is funny on more levels than even you may have intended, Pro I.

              1. All of my humor is multileveled, like my marketing.

        1. Jean Nguyen from Cryptonomicon. Awesome name.

          1. Awesome name and appropriately Americanized. Its a Win-Nguyen.

          2. +1 radiating concealed weapon badassery

        2. Same in China. And some of those teachers have a sense of humor. I met Elton Zhang who had no idea of his almost-namesake

          1. Zhang Ziyi?

          2. Like Chon Wang in “Shanghai Noon”?

            1. “‘John Wayne?’ That’s a terrible name for a cowboy.”

        3. My wife taught in international school in the Middle East. A new student from Korea, a girl whose name could be transliterated “Fuq”, was assigned to her class. Wife told the girl that she might want to adopt an English name for school, and explained why to her mom. Next day the student said she wanted to be called Sally.

          1. The Chinese family across the street named their daughters Ashley and Brittany. Now, THAT’s ‘Murican, damn it! And the Vietnamese family down the street can by and sell me about 10 times over.

            The Jewish family next door has their kids getting into Harvard.

            My kids will be lucky to get into community college. D’oh!

      2. So do the employees at the tech support hotline, but they aren’t fooling anybody.

      3. And they’re usually weird, old-fashioned names like “Edgar” or “Victor”.

        1. “They ruined all our best names, like Bruce and Lance and Julian”

        2. Yeah, nary a “skylar” nor “mason” to be found.

          1. Skylar is actually quite old fashioned, though that spelling is not.

      4. My wife’s parents picked her English name when they moved here in the late 80s, but it vaguely corresponds to what her Chinese name means.

      5. My mother-in-law picked my wife’s first name, maybe it was the grandmother. Spelling of the last name is always interesting. You cannot tell anything from the English spelling, they always need the Chinese version to see if it is the same name.

    2. I didn’t get to choose my name but I wouldn’t go with anything different if I could. Mr. Hitler Q. McNightingale? It fits my personality.

      1. Throat Warbler Mangrove?

        1. I thought it was spelled “Raymond Luxury-Yacht”

      2. Do people still use the surname Hitler? If so, are they careful to avoid “A” names?

        1. Vic Hitler, the Narcoleptic Comic

          1. I meant as a real surname used by nonfictional people.

            1. There are still some Hitlers in Austria.

            2. No because the name is essentially a bastardization of the much more common name “Heidler”. Any other Heidlers in the world who preferred the Hitler spelling convention, quickly changed their minds I reckon.

            3. There are a few Hitlers around.

              Der Fuehrer had a nephew with the last name Hitler that enlisted as a pharmacist’s mate in the U.S. Navy in World War II. I imagine the drill instructors made his time in the recruit training depot a great deal of fun.

              1. William Patrick Stuart-Houston n? Hitler

                His oldest son’s name is Alexander Adolf…

                1. My Dinner with Adolf. How come this hasn’t happened yet? Where’s Wally Shawn?

                  1. Heil Honey, I’m Home stole its thunder.

          2. Vic Hitler !

        2. No, they just avoid the oddly groomed facial hair.

          1. That’s called ubermenschscaping.

      3. I, myself, prefer Raymond Luxury Yacht.

        You bastards know how it is pronounced …

        1. … and damn all of your nimble fingers.

    3. In some cases you can. For example, Robby Soave decided to call himself “Robby” rather than “Robert” or “Bob.” That tells you something about him.

    4. MC Hammer, P Diddy, and Snoop Lion all picked their own names, some several times.

      I wanted Snoop Panda for my Chinese name, but it was rejected.

  3. “These are gross, nonsensical statements”

    Really.

    Did you prove that just by saying so, going, “What”?

    Apparently the most racially insensitive thing people can do is actually talk about “Race” without dancing around it like a fucking ballerina.

    1. After reading that laughable bit about that comedian totally dissing rolling stone at UVA over the weekend, I am starting to question whether Robby is one of them there cosmotarians jonesing for invitations to them inside-the-beltway cocktail parties where he can pretend to be an edgy member of the “in” crowd.

      /spits in a spitoon and glares suspiciously

      1. No shit.

      2. You must be one of these TEAM RED KULTURWARRIORS Warty was telling me about.

        (puts glasses on, pulls out notepad)

        “Tell me, do you sometimes get impulses to jump in your pickup truck, and rescue, ahem, “Real America”, from… ‘faggy, book lernin’ types’….? take your time”

        1. No, but I do have a problem with all these queers sucking my cock…

        2. Soemtimes when I am driving my corolla and thus unable to bury my nose in some Rothbard, Tucker or Russ Roberts, I wistfully contemplate taking the country back from morons.

          Usually the contemplation is brief; being Massachusetts, inevitably some asshole gets in my way and the road rage takes over.

          1. hmmm. Corolla…. Massaschusetts…. hmmmm…. not the profile…. no matter.

            to your original point = Robby seems to be burnishing his credentials for Buzzfeed or Gawker, not beltway cocktail parties. God knows why. Do they actually pay….anything?

            1. You guys won’t be happy until libertarian thought is banished to the cornfield, I guess.

              1. You guys won’t be happy until libertarian thought is banished to the cornfield, I guess.

                Thank you. I accidentally struck an incredibly sore nerve.

                1. You know who else struck a sore nerve…

                  1. Nervestriker McGee?

                  2. Dr. Christian Szell?

                2. “I accidentally struck an incredibly sore nerve.”

                  As Swiss once said, “you’re mistaking taking flak with being over the target”

            1. Honestly, that’s kind of pathetic.

              1. its not even accurate.

                Robby doesn’t get accused of “a wide range” of things.

                He gets criticized for being a politically-correct pussy.

                Was there anything else? i think that was it.

                Given that he’s most-often tasked with covering the “social-justice” beat, it makes for some agonizingly terrible writing. a la the above “nonsensical”-ness.

                1. “He gets criticized for being a politically-correct pussy…” by you people. Commenters at other places have gone the opposite direction (misogynist, too conservative, etc.). Thus my statement about the range.

                  For what it’s worth, I just completely disagree that there’s nothing wrong this prof’s statement. It lumps all black people together and makes absurd, incorrect statements about the names they give themselves, of all things. Yes, the statement is insensitive. I don’t think it’s racist, I don’t think it’s the worst thing ever uttered–just insensitive. Everyone should be able to recognize that, defend his right to utter it, and move on.

                  1. “Commenters at other places have gone the opposite direction”

                    Really?

                    I want to laugh. I hope you don’t mean Jezzy, because they don’t count.

                    “”Everyone should be able to recognize that,””

                    What? that its “nonsensical”? This comment you’ve made here is the farthest you’ve gone in actually pretending that you read what he actually said.

                    I’m not sure how you go about criticizing pieces like the NYT editorial, or any piece of mainstream media race-baiting, without being “insensitive”.

                    I’m not sure sensitivity is all its cracked up to be.

                    1. Speaking of other horribly insensitive people that college people are taught to glibly dismiss…

                    2. I’m not pretending I read what he said; I read what he said. As a libertarian, I’m not a big fan of casually lumping big groups of people together because of their race and drawing incredibly broad, unsupported conclusions.

                      It’s annoying when the left does this, too: http://the-toast.net/2015/05/1…..e-men-own/

                    3. I think “how the left does this” was probably better reflected in the actual NYT editorial the prof was commenting on

                      For you see, what ‘doomed’ Baltimore was not economic degradation, the drug war, and decades of failed urban liberal politics, but ‘Racism’.

                      As a libertarian, i find that pretty fucking stupid.

                      Its noteworthy that Jerry Hough’s comment received 200+ “recommends”.

                    4. I’m not pretending I read what he said; I read what he said. As a libertarian, I’m not a big fan of casually lumping big groups of people together because of their race and drawing incredibly broad, unsupported conclusions.

                      Black people trending towards strange names for their children is unsupported? I guess the blacks don’t have a problem with illegitimacy either, because approximately 30% of them aren’t illegitimate. It would be painting with a broad brush if anyone suggested that the black family is in peril.

                      Top notch SJW commentary, Robby.

                  2. It lumps all black people together and makes absurd, incorrect statements about the names they give themselves, of all things.

                    So his crime was discussing a clear and evident trend without necessary qualifiers and caveats woven into each and every sentence? By that logic Robby, you ought to stop criticizing the state because it’s a group of people that you’re just lumping together and making generalizations about.

                2. Okay, I get it then. One ought to always prefer to come off as being wrong, politically.

            2. Ha! My 15 seconds of fame on Twitter!

      3. Robby is one of them there cosmotarians jonesing for invitations to them inside-the-beltway cocktail parties

        Sounds about right to me.

    2. It’s a common liberal tactic simply to pretend not to understand what “the racist” is saying. Strange Black names? I’ve never heard of strange Black names. What could he possibly be talking about……

      1. Da’Vonte’ and La’qui’sheeeea’ want to have a word with you.

        1. For the benefit of later readers, Entropy Void’s reply was to a comment that was deleted, written by a fellow who posts under numerous monikers, including “American”, “International Jew”, and something else that I can’t remember.

          This fellow is very racist. He is even more racist than Albi the Racist Dragon was at the height of its racism (prior to the badly burned Albanian boy explaining to it why nobody liked it).

          American has succeeded in doing what few people manage: getting banned from the comment boards by the Reason webmaster. He typically registers again under a new email handle, and starts commenting away; until eventually he rises to the notice of someone whose path to the bathroom takes him past the webmaster’s cubicle; eventually a bathroom break is taken; a “oh by the way, I noticed that American is commenting again as …” tossed casually over the cubicle wall, and the ban hammer comes down.

          We the commentariat regret any confusion his disappearance may cause you. We recognize it makes it hard to disentangle our real derangement from the imaginary derangement caused by the loss of the comments that trigger our abuse. We do not, however, apologize for it, because we hate the racist shit.

          1. Well, I guess that makes me look a little less like an asshole.

            Thanks, Tarran.

        2. Aberrant or unenglish names are not in themselves offensive. It’s the names that are inbornly stupid that’s the problem. “As-sidq” is pretty fucking horrible for somebody in an Anglophonic country, and it’s probably not the best transliteration, but at least it means something and the mother put some thought into it. It’s the stupid names, which are based on nothing, that mean nothing, that are spelled apparently according to random phonics, which seem designed to blast anybody who crosses them with the shocking ignorance and wilful stupidity of the bearer’s lineage, that’s offensive. Of course, dipwad here is arguing that names which fail to demonstrate a slavish attention to fitting in are the problem, that being uncommon in any way should be suppressed to the best of one’s ability, and anybody who fails to do it must be some kind of neurotic destroyer of social order. Seems like kind of a twerp. But don’t listen to me. I don’t know what I’m talking about.

      2. Once again, I ask all of us to observe a moment of silence on behalf of American’s poor parents.

        They had hoped more for their child; they fed him, clothed him; no doubt they tried to raise him well; they hoped to see him develop into a strong young lad who earned his keep and was respected. Instead, they produced a man so stupid that not only is he still unable to figure out how to navigate to Stormfront, it’s possible that he isn’t aware that he isn’t posting there.

        I am sure that Mrs. American cries in her sleep in sorrow at the lost potential, and Mr American frequently contemplates murder-suicide as a way to ease the pain. Our sympathies and condolences could help ease their pain, hence my request.

      3. This thread is just begging for that “black blood” guy.

        1. My blood turns black when I let it dry out in the sun.

      4. Would you please stop interspersing good points with troll posts? Your name is a troll name. Stick to that.

        1. As opposed to your name, which is no doubt an accurate description of who you are!

          1. I never claimed otherwise.

      5. Husker homerness aside, I’ve always like Lavonte David’s name, possibly because I imagine “Lavonte” to be an adjective meaning “run-destroying bulldozer“, in addition to the Goliath-slaying connotation. I’m sure he’s gotten David Lavonte more than once. I’ve had friends named after birds and trees before; I think it says more about the parents than the culture. Oh, and Firefox’s spellcheck is racist for not recognizing Lavonte.

        My girlfriend is Indian, and has resisted the “American” pronunciation of her name strongly. Most of her Indian friends gave up and picked the American name closest to their own name. Unfortunately for my girlfriend, her name is also Spanish slang for “pussy” (but what isn’t?).

  4. The point he made about “names” was actually the topic of a funny Onion Infographic once

    This came out in 1999. I think it was the most memorable thing they ever did next to “why do these homos keep sucking my cock?”

    1. Ah, the Onion circa the late 1990s. I’d forgotten how funny they used to be.

    2. I haven’t run into a Sinutab yet. Wonders if Reason and National Review could get into an intern war seeking the first one.

  5. Um – have actually its quite common for Asians to pick an ‘American’ name to use when in English speaking company.

    1. The asian parents I know give their kids two sets of names. One American name and one name from their native language. Some try for homophones, but most just go with completely separate names.

      It is a pretty cool way to respect your heritage without creating a lifetime of crap as you try to explain “Xianxao-Xai” over the phone.

      1. What’s a homophone?

        Haaayyyyy~

        1. A payphone in downtown San Francisco.

          1. What’s a payphone ?

            1. Sorry, they were the middle victims of the drug wars.

            2. Do we need to run a poll to find out?

    2. I know a guy who moved here from China around age 6. He didn’t know or remember his Chinese name and when we went to get visas to visit China the racists there were hassling him because of it, demanding he write it down in order to get the visa.

  6. Holy fuck, people need to chill the fuck out about some mild statements that refer to race. Personally I think collectivizing people by race is fucking moronic, but talking about it isn’t some fucking horrific crime. People have a right to be collectivists if they want, and a lot of people are. This guy’s level of collectivism is actually pretty low. It’s an indicator of how much people have nothing worthwhile to do if they’re getting worked up about these statements.

    1. “” talking about it isn’t some fucking horrific crime””

      This is a gross, nonsensical statement.

      1. “gross, nonsensical statement” seems kind of nonsensical, if not grossly. Assuming it’s English of a sort, one must assume it is meant to describe a statement that is both gross and nonsensical at the same time. How can this be? And what the dickens, even, is a “gross statement”?

        1. “Gross” describes the severity of the “non-sense”. Sort of like “gross negligence” being worse that simple “negligence”.

    2. Well, what should they get worked up over, Episiarch?

      This?

      1. “The $24.99 shirt,”

        Yes. I’m pretty worked up over the price of that T-shirt.

      2. I’ll stick with this.

      3. I asked my granddad, who actually saw combat in WWII, if he thought it was offensive/demeaning. As the words were coming out of my mouth I knew how stupid my questions was.

    3. That’s right. For instance, some Italian-Americans have made mighty contributions to America. Like, I dunno, Chef Boyardee. So it’s wrong to trash the whole ethnicity because of a few bad apples who live in Seattle.

      1. That’s a-spicy meat-a-ball!

        1. One has to give him credit for perfecting the orange tomato sauce.

      2. What ethnicity do we blame for Deep Dish?

        1. Is Chicagoian an ethnicity?

        2. Italians. Really, it’s all their fault. Everything.

          1. Dammit.

            I really, really wanted to blame the French for that.

            Along with everything else.

            1. They were long gone by the time deep dish came around.

              1. Damn cheese-swilling surrender monkeys.

                Just abandoned New France.

                Left all those flintlocks laying all around; never fired, only dropped once.

          1. Hitler liked his Sicilian style. He considered Lucky Luciano cutting off his supply his greatest international failure.

            1. They had him eating spaghetti in Downfall. That was weird to me for some totally illogical reason.

              1. Was the spaghetti what the long tirade was about?

                1. Yes. That and the lack of effectiveness of the nonexistent German forces.

              2. Are you sure it wasn’t spaetzle, you mick bastard?

                1. Yeah, I’m sure. Do you think Germans don’t eat Italian food?

                  1. Some people think Hitler idolized Il Duce’s politics. In reality, his thing was for the sauce.

    4. He’s 80 years old. He’s doing a pretty good job keeping his generation’s natural racism in check.

      1. Who, Chef Boyardee or Episiarch?

        1. Your dad.

        2. “Chef Episiarch”

          Hmmmm… what could we sell under that brand label?

          1. Foreskin stew.

          2. Pasta served in a green sauce, yet nothing in the ingredients is green.

            1. You stay out of my pricy curry paste, asshole.

            2. Hiroki: The iron cook Neptunian has gone all out to please the judges. He’s even garnished the salad with $100 bills. Let’s see what they think.

              [Elzar puts plates of food in front of Tate and Morbo and scrapes some into Stewart’s jar.]

              Tate: Mmm. Soylent green is my kind of people!

              [He eats some more. Morbo sucks up his soylent spaghetti.]

              Morbo: Scrumptious. Morbo will store this in his sack for future digestion.

              Stewart: I’m swimming in my own soylent waste. It’s a good thing.

          3. Frozen Deep Dish.

            1. Cup ‘O Deep Dish?

              Oh, this is the best deep dish in a cup ever. This guy is unbelievable. He ran the old Cup ‘o Deep Dish guy out of business. People come from all over to eat this.

              1. You mean like the ramen noodle thingee? You add hot water, then instant deep dish? The possibilities.

    5. Personally I think collectivizing people by race is fucking moronic

      Saying black people tend to give their kids fairly ridiculous names is not collectivizing it. It’s pointing out a clear trend. One shouldn’t need to discuss a trend only when they’re prepared to offer a caveat after every sentence.

  7. Some expressed thoughts do have no place in civil discourse, “civil discourse” defined as the opposite of racist diatribes. Free speech allows for such, but it also allows for the university to issue a rebuke. Ensuring free and open dialogue is one laudable mission of a university, but so is ensuring inclusiveness and respect. This professor seriously placed all the blame on black students (including for not taking the step of changing their birth names), so it’s hardly shocking that the administration chose not to sit idly by while all of its black students were insulted.

    But a university is a special place in that it is supposed to tolerate radical ideas (hence tenure). The problem with these ideas is that they are not radical, they are boring and stupid. Everyone’s heard the racist’s position a thousand times over many decades. They shouldn’t be treated as out-of-bounds, they should be treated as unworthy of serious contemplation.

    1. Wholly incorrect, per usual. He argued, perhaps ineloquently, that a culture of disintegration marks black development but not Asians. Giving children shall we say ethnic names is a manifestation of that attitude. But do keep your head buried in the sand, it’s worked so well for progressives in Baltimore.

      1. Baltimore is obviously the fault of fat, stupid, wealthy republicans who hate black people.

        /Tony (or Biden, you decide)

    2. I would say that the professor’s point is not original, but it isn’t racist either. Much of the black community is held back not by evil scheming white folk meeting up in their top-secret tree forts to figure out better methods of oppression, but rather by choices that they are making that end up biting them in the ass. Noticing that isn’t “racist”, and pretending that the problems don’t exist isn’t “inclusive” or “respectful”.

      1. Much of the black community is held back not by evil scheming white folk meeting up in their top-secret tree forts to figure out better methods of oppression

        I didn’t know the DNC met in a tree fort.

        1. It’s the one with the “No Homers” sign.

      2. After reading comments here, I realize that my interpretation of what this guy said is quite different from everybody else’s.

        I took it mainly as a criticism of the leadership of the Democratic Party — both the leadership of the Westchester Democrats and the leadership of the Harlem Democrats. This coalition has an interest in the perpetual grievance of African Americans that it can blame on Republicans. Celebrating ghetto culture while bemoaning and subsidizing its economic and social failure is one way of accomplishing this end. Coupled with the WoD, crappy education services, and regulatory hurdles, the Democratic Party has accomplished great electoral success among African Americans, but have greatly impaired the social and economic mobility of most on the lowest rungs of the economic ladder. Meanwhile, the Republican and Democratic Parties bailed out failing banks and businesses such that the Westchester Democrats enjoy an S&P 500 index that rose from 666 to over 2000.

  8. “Asian names are better geared for integration than black names? What?.”

    Not what he said.

    1. Well that’s the point of glib dismissals, tic tac

      1. And Robby seemed to patient and, well, reasonable.

        Maybe I just don’t read the site enough.

  9. Nonsensical maybe. But they aren’t gross (at least no more gross than pointing out things about whites or asians or whatever).

    1. OMG WHITE PEOPLE DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED THEY SMELL FUNNY AND THINK THEY CAN OCCUPY SPACES AND STUFF

      1. Your speech is gross and has no place in civil discourse!

        Of to the reeducation center with you!

  10. White people, they drive like this.

    1. It’s true, we’re so lame

    2. But they almost always have the regularest seeming of names. They got that in spades.

  11. These are gross, nonsensical statements (Asian names are better geared for integration than black names? What?).

    I had no problem parsing the professor’s statement. He is claiming that Asian parents generally provide their children with traditional American first names, and that American blacks often provide their children with bizarre first names that appear to be coined terms. The differing approaches evidence the desire (or lack thereof) of each group to assimilate into the greater society. You may disagree with the conclusion, but I do not find it to be a “gross, nonsensical statement.”

    1. “You may disagree with the conclusion, but I do not find it to be a “gross, nonsensical statement.””

      Disagreeing with the statement would require intellectual honesty.

    2. Thank you. There’s nothing wrong with pointing out that if you give your kid a “ghetto name,” you are sending a certain message: of racial/cultural pride, and of low class/status. Those messages will not favorably impress future employers. But it’s mostly a culture issue, because the same thing can happen with (e.g.) poor whites: if someone from rural West Virginia names their kids “Billy Bob” and “Jethro,” expect similar results.

      1. Or if you name your daughter after a car/spice.

        1. Or a libertarian magazine.

          *ducks

          1. That’s an exception. There’s a tradition of higher class/status families giving kids odd names. An odd name that signals high-class is way preferable to one that signals low-class.

      2. Reminds me of the story of Oakland Raider fans naming their daughter Silver Ann. Last name, of course, was Black.

        1. I once met a woman named Crystal Apple. She had a sister named Scarlet.

          1. Its not the same thing when they’re chinese hookers.

      3. that funny. That’s exactly what I named my home and my work linux boxes: billybob and jethro.

      4. I recently me a young college kid named Casey Jones.
        Me: I have to ask, are your parents Deadheads?
        Casey: I get that all the time. Actually I was named after a baseball player.
        Me: Sean Casey? (A local ‘kid’ who made it to bigs)
        Casey: No. You know – Casey Jones from the poem ‘Casey at the Bat’
        Me: Your parents are aware that he was an arrogant prick who struck out?
        Casey: (Hangs head) I know….

    3. I’ve seen that it’s not uncommon for people who think at all when naming their children but still wish to apply some difficult name to also equip the child with a second, commoner, public name to be used if so chosen in contexts where he might not want to trifle with the hard name. And even among morons, it seems commonplace these days for children to be given at least two names. By chaunce alone, then, most of them should end up with at least one serviceable name.

  12. A commitment to “inclusiveness” should not override a commitment to free speech at a university that purports to value an unfettered exchange of ideas.

    A professor engaged in apparently obnoxious free speech. The VP for PR responded with free speech of his own condemning those obnoxious ideas. How exactly is that undermining free speech again?

  13. He says that “In 1965 the Asians were discriminated against as least as badly as blacks,” which is not even remotely true as any intelligent racist could tell you. If you are going to publicly write something racist you should be sure to get your facts right.

    1. “Intelligent Racist”

      Dunning-Kruger in the flesh.

  14. These are gross, nonsensical statements (Asian names are better geared for integration than black names? What?). But to say that they have “no place in civil discourse” is going too far. Is hearing, contemplating, and rejecting his claims not a worthy exercise for university students?

    Hey Robby! There’s an app for that!

  15. What kind of message does the Duke administration think they’re putting out?

    They didn’t refute his claims, they just apologized for their perceived offensiveness. That leads me to some conclusions.

    1. Yeah, some “player” you are.

      1. GO “PLAY” WITH YOUR KIDS HURR DURR

  16. When did “that’s offensive” come to constitute an argument? It seems relatively recent, but maybe I’m wrong.

    1. The best part about people using it as an argument is that it’s an implicit admission that you might have a point.

      1. THAT’S OFFENSIVE!!!

    2. I first encountered in 1994, in a college classroom. That’s when I found I was a horrible racist for pointing out that matrilineal heir structures made marrying your sister a reasonable action if you wanted to be a Pharaoh.

      1. That explains much about the subsequent development of your literary output.

        1. “Warty Hugeman and the Ptolemaic Gangbang of Chaos?”

          1. “Open the gates of Anubis,” Warty rumbled, his voice thick with lust and greed. “I’m going to have me some mummy poontang.”

            1. Go on…

            2. OH MY GOD

    3. Around the same time “that’s racist, shut up” came to constitute an argument.

      1. How about “shut up, moron”? And by the way, that’s not an argument, you fucking moron. It’s just an insult.

        1. AD HOMINEMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

    4. ‘If someone tells me that I’ve hurt their feelings, I say, “Well I’m still waiting to hear what your point is”.’ Christopher Hitchens.

      http://freethoughtblogs.com/bu…..hens-said/

    5. When did “that’s offensive” come to constitute an argument? It seems relatively recent, but maybe I’m wrong.

      It is sort of recent. It emerged when they decided to stop teaching kids how to read before college and whispering in their ear about big loans to go to college.

  17. These are gross, nonsensical statements (Asian names are better geared for integration than black names? What?).

    Okay, now tell us why “acting white” seems to be one of the greatest social breaches a young black person can commit. Or is that self-evidently nonsensical?

    1. Because it doesn’t feel the way Robby wants to believe that society actually is.

  18. First point: Completely correct. The party is essentially an alliance between the rich and the poor.

    Second point: Partially correct. Asians have been discriminated against, even in 1965, but not nearly as badly as blacks.

    Third point(a): Not sure. Interracial dating is fairly low all around. He might be talking about just his specific environment though. I know their is ostracism but it’s mostly between black women so I’m not sure how effective it is.

    Third point(b): Correct: Asians adopt American/Christian names to better integrate, and have been for some time now. (Even Chinese vendors abroad will give themselves simple English names to make things easier.) Further still, some go even further and adopt the dominant religions (or pretend to).

    Kahn: Ted. I look for you at the Buddhist Temple.
    Ted: Oh, hello Kahn. We’re Episcopal now. It’s just good business.

    The tide might be turning on this though.

    1. At the same time, it seems difficult to categorise the statements as “racist” when one of the main points commends mi?cegenation.

  19. It’s true. They’re terrible drivers.

    1. Black people drive like this…and white people drive like this…and Asian people drive like…LOOK OUT!

      1. and Asian people dlive rike…ROOK OUT!

        FTFY

    2. Oh, i raffed

  20. Seems to me that the first five sentences of the offending editorial are pretty much on point. And I am willing to bet that they gave far greater “offense” to the readers of the New York Times than did the curious crack about Asian/African American names.

  21. Finally, his last quip was just ridiculous, if only blacks followed Malcolm X. I’m not going into the details here, but he despised welfare and liberalism.

    1. This

    2. IIRC he wanted black people to have black businesses selling to other black people, keeping the white honky devils at a distance.

      I don’t know if he had time to modify his economic views after becoming a mainstream Muslim and renouncing racism.

      1. “IIRC he wanted black people to have black businesses selling to other black people, keeping the white honky devils at a distance.”

        Yeah, but white people being the devil was irrelevant, it was more of just controlling the Black community(s). Really, not much different than localists of today.

        “I don’t know if he had time to modify his economic views after becoming a mainstream Muslim and renouncing racism.”

        He didn’t, as far as I’m aware, after he broke with The Nation he still said:

        “The economic philosophy of black nationalism only means that we should own and operate and control the economy of our community. You would never have found?you can’t open up a black store in a white community. White man won’t even patronize you. And he’s not wrong. He got sense enough to look out for himself. It’s you who don’t have sense enough to look out for yourself.”

    3. ^^^^ THIS

      The only relevance that this quip had was that Malcolm X did advise blacks to reject their “slave names”.

      1. I wonder which Congolese tribe the name Malcolm originates from…

        1. el-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz sounds pretty Arab

          1. el-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz sounds pretty Arab

            Malcolm should ask himself why the Arabs who were prolific slavers themselves, don’t have any resident black populations of their own to bestow ‘slave names’ upon.

            It’s because Africans enthralled to an Arab master were castrated, the women raped and their offspring drowned and dashed. And Allah help you if you grew sick or unable to work. European slavers for all of their moral failings, still had an order of magnitude more humanity than their Arab counterparts.

            1. “Malcolm should ask himself why the Arabs who were prolific slavers themselves, don’t have any resident black populations of their own to bestow ‘slave names’ upon.”

              Well, he’s kind of dead now. Maybe if he had more time he would have realized that as well.

              “It’s because Africans enthralled to an Arab master were castrated, the women raped and their offspring drowned and dashed. And Allah help you if you grew sick or unable to work. European slavers for all of their moral failings, still had an order of magnitude more humanity than their Arab counterparts.”

              Sure. Even today with the slave trade mostly distinguished, Africans are still treated like dirt by Arabs. And the Muslim faith itself is kind of Arab-centric. I think many blacks adopted it largely as a “fuck you” to mainstream American society. Just like the Black Panthers were Marxist. The actual details of the various philosophies were irrelevant.

              1. I think many blacks adopted it largely as a “fuck you” to mainstream American society.

                Oh absolutely. Christianity was deemed too timid and not belligerent enough for the black liberation movement leaders of the time. When black Christians started saying ‘nuh uhh we can be radical too!’, the likes of Jeremiah Wright finally had a foothold.

                1. “Christianity was deemed too timid and not belligerent enough for the black liberation movement leaders of the time. ”

                  Again, if only the listened to our man, Malcolm. He said Christianity (as it was already being practiced) could work just fine for Black Nationalism.

  22. I changed my name after I turned 18. Adolf Badsex just rubbed people the wrong way.

    1. ^ this got a full lung har har har that made people ask what the hell i was laughing at.

    2. You know who else rubbed people the wrong way?

      1. A masseuse with eczema on her hands?

      2. Bizarro Xaveria Hollander?

  23. The Democrats are an alliance of Westchester and Harlem, of Montgomery County and intercity Baltimore. Westchester and Montgomery get a Citigroup asset stimulus policy that triples the market. The blacks get a decline in wages after inflation.

    How dare he?
    It’s almost as if the Negro is being kept down by a government educational system which deprives them of the intellectual and analytical tools they need to better themselves, and manipulates them for political advantage.

  24. These are gross, nonsensical statements (Asian names are better geared for integration than black names? What?).

    Hey Robby, your white guilt is hanging out of your pants again. I think it’s pretty irrefutable that Asians have done better culturally, socially and economically. It’s also irrefutable that black culture has serious problems that tends to cripple the potential of those immersed in it. The fact that a parent (single moms upwards of 70% of the time) name their son Drayquan or their daughter Laqueesha is not the root cause of a problem, it’s a symptom of much deeper problems that only they themselves can solve. And studies have proven that people with outlandish names are turned down for job and economic opportunities more often, regardless of race et cetera. Similar to the way willfully ignorant people, purposefully under-dressed and people with poor language skills will find it harder to seize economic opportunity.

    Try to make an actual argument next time Robby. If you find that you can’t muster one, that should be a sign that you’re either thinking with emotion or being disingenuous. In which case everyone would be better off if you just didn’t.

    1. “Asians”

      First off, ugh, Asia is not a place and OMG you have no idea how anglonormative that is? Not Okay

      1. I…don’t… what… who… why are you…. ugh nevermind.

    2. Each time I think Woods and co. are shrilly overstating their case about beltway libertarians who go around pleading to be liked by the racially sensitive cool kids, a Soave or Young jumps out of the libertarian basement to serve as a reminder of the huge gulf between the different factions of “libertarianism.”

      The prof’s blunt assertion that black Americans on the whole have relied on strident victimhood for generations rather than striving to improve their material well being has been repeated in even blunter terms by Sowell a billion times. It’s common knowledge for anyone–Republican, Democrat, Green, whatever–who isn’t forced to mind his ps and qs by illberal campus conduct codes, formal or no.

      1. I wouldn’t say it’s common knowledge. Children, especially white ones, are taught from a young age that all black problems are white created. The conventional wisdom is rather conventional on this point. Never mind that blacks were doing better economically and socially back before the onslaught of welfare programs came into being. And better in a time that was decidedly more racist and a few generations less removed from ‘their historical condition of slavery’ that supposedly causes all of their problems.

        1. All the absurder for a whole country full of fucking mulattoes.

      2. “The prof’s blunt assertion that black Americans on the whole have relied on strident victimhood for generations rather than striving to improve their material well being has been repeated in even blunter terms by Sowell a billion times”

        Yes, but when black people do it, its different.

        And there’s nothing racist about people who say that.

        1. I suspect the reaction would be different if Foster went full Sowell tomorrow and published a book with the phrase Black Rednecks in its title.

          Being black before it became fashionable for white progressives to care about you makes you a much harder target for race baiters, which is why Sowell has gotten away with stuff that would get any other conservatarian crucified.

      3. On the issue of non-“white” names (presumably there’s no difference between the surnames of Franklin, Doyle, or Bouche-Merde now, since everyone from California to Eastern Europe has been melted down to vague whiteness), the prof is wrong. It’s not an issue of assimilation; it’s parental signalling. Naming your kid Satan is a strong indicator of parental character, personality, even class. Same for Hunter, Shaquila, Noam, and Buckley. If your name is Marcus Aurelius Smith, that’s going to say something about your parents and thus about you.

        1. Naming your kid Satan is very much a sign of non-assimilation.

          1. Parental signalling of non-assimilation.

            And where I have I seen that handle before? Hrmm.

            1. Parental signalling of non-assimilation.

              Yes. I don’t think there’s really much of a difference here between the blanket term “assimilation” and signaling when you get down to it. I guess one could say Chinese people having both a Christian name and a Chinese name aren’t actually assimilating but are merely signaling. But the two terms must converge at some point.

              “And where I have I seen that handle before? Hrmm.”

              Liberty?

              1. That’s it. Talk about a handle that was before its time.

                The distinction I was trying to make is that names provide all sorts of information other than just ethnicity, much of it useful if you don’t know much more about the person’s character, which is the position of most hiring managers.

                e.g. If a Korean-American has a Korean name, that’s a good sign that s/he was born in Korea and is the child of immigrants. All things being equal, the child of people who crossed an ocean for a better life is more likely to be a diligent worker than the average applicant.

          2. Naming your child “Seven of Nine” is very much a sign that they have been assimilated.

        2. It’s not an issue of assimilation; it’s parental signalling.

          I’m of English stock and my wife is Dutch, we considered naming our son Frits, but since we live on this side of the Atlantic we went with James which is not considered strange or outlandish in either society. If we were signalling his Dutch lineage or our affinity with Germanic cultures, we’d have gone with Frits.

          1. Hey, I live on this side of the Atlantic as well!

            I don’t mean conscious signalling (I probably shouldn’t’ve used that word given the way it’s used in economics discussion), just that names communicate wide-ranging information we would respond to even if we’re not fully conscious of why. I’d respond differently to a student (or dog) named Buckley vs. one named Spike, even if I couldn’t name every reason why. And I’d probably be right to do so.

            1. I’d respond differently to a student (or dog) named Buckley vs. one named Spike, even if I couldn’t name every reason why.

              And employers or other bringers of economic goodness aren’t different on that count. A while back someone did a study, they would send out identical job applications to various (larger) employers and the only difference between them was the names. The applications with a ‘normal name’, Robert, Jack, John et cetera, received way more interest than all the Drayquans, Laqueeshas and D’andres.

              You can be assured that social scientists were aghast jumping for joy at this new evidence of “racism”. Never mind that the study controlled for race. It definitely says something about you and your upbringing if your name is D’Quell. Not to say there aren’t Drayquans that are more articulate, well-mannered and well-dressed than a Bob, but it stands to good reason that you’ll more often find such qualities lacking in your average Drayquan Jones. All else being equal, if I had to hire either Bob or Trayvon, it’ll be Bob every time.

        3. I think there’s something to be said for giving out the generickest of names to one’s children, perhaps determined by some unaltered social formul?, and any further name gets either taken up by or put upon the child later on in life, as appropriate. So like the first three male children will always be “Jules”, “Marco”, and “Sydney”, and later on one can acquire some sort of name based on military conquests, what company he worked for, physical deformities, and so on, for example, “Jules Africa”, “Marco Walmart”, and “Sydney Slipfoot”.

  25. “. Is hearing, contemplating, and rejecting his claims not a worthy exercise for university students? ‘

    Speaking of The Onion….

  26. Nice intellectual climate they have there at Duke, where a simple “how DARE you!” takes the place of substantive argument.

    I would say Asian-American were not as oppressed by racism as blacks by 1965, but go back a few decades and, yes, you’ll find a bad situation. For instance, it used to be that immigrants from Africa were eligible for naturalization but immigrants from Asia were not.* California piled on by saying that “aliens ineligible for citizenship” – which is how federal law classified Asians – could not own land. Black people at least weren’t denied citizenship rights and landowning rights because of ancestry.

    *This unfairness was remedied as to Chinese immigrants in WWII, then as to all Asian immigrants in 1952.

    1. In the late 19th and early 20th Century, Americans weren’t at all bashful about expressing their anti-Asian bigotry. For example, Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act with large majorities and it was the law of the land until 1942. Californian politicians openly spoke of evicting the Chinese in unambiguously racist language.

  27. Really, there are doubtless exceptions on both sides, but statistically, I would guess that an Asian child is more likely than a black child to be raised in an intact family, with a “standard” U.S. name, by parents who get on his/her case all the time about studying hard and working hard, while a black child is more likely to be raised by Mom or Grandma, given some faux-African name to distinguish him/her from the honky* oppressors, and given, shall we say, fairly scant supervision when it comes to studying and the like.

    I said “more likely;” there are doubtless Asians who defy the stereotypes:

    http://www.theonion.com/articl…..types-1046

    And likewise for black people

    because we’re all individuals.

    *I don’t thing people use that term any more, just to be clear.

  28. “The amount of Asian-white dating is enormous and so surely will be the intermarriage. Black-white dating is almost non-existemt [sic] because of the ostracism by blacks of anyone who dates a white.”

    From my scientific observations on campus, I’ve often seen white guy/Asian girl, Asian guy/white girl, black guy/white girl (but not Asian girl), and *sometimes* white guy/black girl.

    1. I tried looking some numbers up on this, Asians are, by far, the most likely to marry outside of their race. (It’s dropping though). However, marriage rates are dropping too, so it may not say anything Charles Murray hasn’t already said.

      1. Asians are the smallest of the major racial groupings in the US, so it makes sense that they would have the highest rate of marriage to other races.

    2. Hm I’ve never known or observed a Asian male white female pairing.

  29. The article paraphrases the professor as saying, “Asian names are better geared for integration than black names”. No, what he very specifically said was that most Asian-Americans have a first name that “symbolizes their desire for integration,” while most Black Americans have a first name that “symbolizes their lack of desire for integration.” His first two paragraphs, which set out his complaint, tells us that policies which are proclaimed as helping Blacks often result in worsening them. Whites get “a policy that triples the market” value of their real estate holdings. “The blacks get a decline in wages after inflation . . . symbolic recognition …[and] awful editorials … that tell them to feel sorry for themselves.”
    He does harumph that Asians usually have a “very simple old American” name, and that Blacks usually have “a strange new name”, which sounds a bit like “Amurric’ns” and furriners”. But, again, these names imply to him integrationist and segregationist intentions, not inherent abilities or inevitable future reality. He could have gone on to explain that modern Black self-segregationism is a natural result of 450 years of enforced segregation, and worse, but he was writing about his view of current affairs and their probable results, not their causes.

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