If IRS Agents Horrify Their Own Families, Maybe They're Doing it Wrong
It's so hard to be a tax collector. They should quit.
Apparently missing the point that most Americans don't want what tax collectors have to sell, Internal Revenue Service bureaucrats and the heads of unions representing its crack cash-extractors are campaigning right now to shake more money and staff loose from Congress. And also to get the public to feel sorry for them, though that seems like a hell of a stretch. So you'll be seeing a continuing stream of news stories about how hard it is to work for the IRS.
One of those pieces, by Bloomberg's Devin Leonard and Richard Rubin, perhaps unwittingly illustrates why this all may be a bit of an uphill slog. It notes, in part:
Whether they worked in Manhattan or Peoria, IRS veterans talk about something else that kept them at the service: the feeling of camaraderie. It was nice that they appreciated one another, because nobody else did. "You go to a party, and if you say you are from the IRS, half the people move into the other room," says Richard Schickel, a former senior collections officer in Tucson who retired in December 2013. "After a while, your wife and relatives get tired of listening to your stories. They say, 'How could you take those people's houses and their businesses?' The only place you get understanding is with other IRS people."
You know…When the people who live with you and (let's assume) love you recoil from you in shock and horror because of your behavior so that the only refuge you can find is among others guilty of the same conduct, perhaps you should consider the possibility that you're doing something really bad.
Just sayin'. It's a thought.
Schickel, the fellow quoted above of horrified wife and relatives note, may well have taken that insight to heart. He currently runs a tax consulting service. On its website, he offers this bit of advice: "The IRS is the most dangerous creditor in the world. The IRS can seize your cash, bank accounts, autos, business and most of your wages—all without ever once going to Court or getting a formal judgment. Learn how to stop the IRS before they stop you."
So…Why is it again that Americans are hesitant to hand the IRS more funding and enforcers? Explain it to me slow, cuz I'm stumped…
Anyway, the whole piece is worth reading.
Oh, and to add to the reasons I love Arizona:
Schickel says the political attacks made his job more difficult and potentially more dangerous. Throughout his career, he dealt with antigovernment tax avoiders in Arizona, but once the Tea Party scandal broke, his encounters with otherwise law-abiding ranchers became more hostile. "I used to work Tombstone," he says. "They hate the IRS down there. It's a hard enough thing to drive out, bang on somebody's door, and make a legal demand on them for money. It's even harder when the person is wearing a gun on his hip and says, 'I saw on TV that you people are discriminating against the Tea Party.' That's when I decided, the hell with this!"
It sounds just awful! I say those sad, beleaguered tax collectors should walk off the job.
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We should quit them. Go to a total flat tax, individual and corporate, and shut down the IRS. Some old lady can handle the processing with some contractors during tax season. She can get a server second hand from the former SoS.
Hell with that. No taxation without representation. Or, taxation with representation. Just have the feds bill each State based on its representation in Congress and leave everyone else the hell alone.
that's hardly better than what we have now. Unless there's a way to limit federal spending, having them spend and then send the bill won't provide any incentive to keep the bill small.
I suggest that who gets what percentage of my taxes is reversed.
For example - where I live, Arizona, my *state* tax bill is usually 10% of my federal bill (not including SS taxes). Then the feds parcel money back to the states.
Reverse that - the feds get 10% of what the state gets and then has to come, hat in hand, to the states to get more.
States first? How dare you! This is simultaneously; statist, anarchist, un-Consitutional, un-American, and anti-libertarian. Hegemony, anarchy, or you aren't a true libertarian.
/sophist rant
You know...When the people who live with you and (let's assume) love you recoil from you in shock and horror because of your behavior so that the only refuge you can find is among others guilty of the same conduct, perhaps you should consider the possibility that you're doing something really bad.
Hence, cop bars?
"Hence, cop bars?"
Where their egos are protected and their drinks are served.
So long as they're not served papers.
My brother used to work as a bouncer for a club downtown that was frequented by off-duty cops. One of the regulars would get trashed and beg my brother to put him in a headlock and escort him out to the street. My brother always declined the invitation until one night when he unexpectedly wrapped the guy up in a hold and bodily maneuvered him out. Well, a few on-duty cops, recognizing their guy, rushed over to intervene and presumably lay my brother out. The drunk cop was good-natured about it, but for a few panicky moments my brother thought he'd get a night stick up the ass. He didn't fuck with drunk off-duty cops after that.
The cops patrol downtown pretty heavily because there's a number of clubs and pubs open late. They made a habit of setting on hapless assholes getting kicked out of an establishment, getting a few kicks in, and arresting the drunkards. Sometimes they deserved it, like the guy who suckerpunches another dancer, but often they're just too drunk to stay without vice patrol making problems for the bar. The bouncers learn quickly to toss their former customers and retreat inside, because the cops resort to pepper spray instantly to break up the imbroglio.
"The bouncers learn quickly to toss their former customers and retreat inside, because the cops..." evidently didn't care about sorting out what was actually going on, nor did they care about justice, and the bouncers knew that about them.
Not even slightly. Who's going to gainsay them? The drunks? The bars? The bars are only permitted to remain open by the grace of the city council and the AGD, which is always looking to yank a license.
Dweebston,
I was criticizing the police. The forced reactions of those who had to deal with how the police acted were adapting to the situation before them.
"I'd like to tell the officers how this patron is not usually this obnoxious and it's the first time we've had to throw him out - but I don't want to get pepper sprayed tonight, or the next time, or the time after that...."
No, I agree with you. The cops have no incentive whatsoever to behave themselves, and beating on drunk patrons is either revenge for pulling the overnight shift or stress relief for the 'roid rage. Nobody is going to hold them to any standard of conduct.
Exactly, the first thing that went through my mind with this was "hey, remind you of any other profession? You know, like, the cops?"
The fact that they can't get why people revile them is indicative of some level of sociopathy. Because if you have any empathy whatsoever, you would go "oh, they revile me because I take their shit and can destroy their lives at a whim."
You say that like it's a bad thing, Epi.
A few years back the IRS was thanking the gods that they were no longer the most hated government agency.
That slot was taken over by TSA.
It's a hard enough thing to drive out, bang on somebody's door, and make a legal demand on them for money.
Sheesh, just hack into their bank accounts!
What kind of person is drawn to what is the world's oldest evil profession? What does it do to a good man who takes it up?
Accountants who like guns?
Maybe this guy?
http://www.theonion.com/articl.....esk,16508/
+1 Owen Zastava Pitt
(though he'd not be caught dead working for IRS)
The passages in the New Testament that related Jesus' willingness to break bread with prostitutes and tax-collectors has long bothered me.
It's an insult to whores - who provide a valuable and desired service - to be equated with worthless parasites.
But without the tax money they collect how would we pay to meet the all important obligations international law demands of us?
Welcome to Retardation: A Celebration. Now, hopefully with this book, I'm gonna dispel a few myths, a few rumors. First off, the retarded don't rule the night. They don't rule it. Nobody does. And they don't run in packs. And while they may not be as strong as apes, don't lock eyes with 'em, don't do it. Puts 'em on edge. They might go into berzerker mode; come at you like a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. You might be screaming "No, no, no" and all they hear is "Who wants cake?" Let me tell you something: They all do. They all want cake.
Polly wants a cracker I see.
Polly wants a honkie, not a cracker.
Polly, in Roman times, wanted a honkus.
Or honkvs, whichever you prefer.
No, it's just the perfect response to your blatherings.
You are just trolling, right?
I'm ribbing tarran who told me we had an obligation to keep pouring into Iraq b/c of international law.
tarran is pretty well on the anarchist side of things, so I suspect he was just talking about the state of the law and treaties and not his own preferences.
But what of Bird Law?
Well, think that the whores and tax collectors have in common being poorly regarded by most of society.
Though I do agree that whores are much more respectable.
It's not even close. Just ask yourself this. Who would you rather spend the evening with, a tax collector or a whore?
+1 degenerate, lying, worthless piece of shit that sucks the life out of men everywhere and the other is a whore.
"So what do you do for a living?"
"I'm in the Mafia"
"Really!? What's that like?"
"Well, it can be stressful, but you get to make your own hours. There's definitely an 'up or out' atmosphere. Its not for everyone...but I love the food, meeting people. What about you?"
"Well, i don't like to talk about it...."
"Now, come on.... I mean, 'the Mafia', remember...? ha ha..."
"Well I work for the IRS... wait, where are you going....?"
"...to get the streetsweeper out the trunk."
It was tax evasion that brought down Capone. Why take chances?
It's even harder when the person is wearing a gun on his hip and says, 'I saw on TV that you people are discriminating against the Tea Party.' That's when I decided, the hell with this!"
This made my day. The left weeps for the tax collectors because they have to buy their own hole punchers.
Speaking of guns, has this been discussed anywhere on H&R today? I've had a busy work day and haven't seen anything other than the afternoon links:
The Washington Post (4/8, Ingraham) "Wonkblog" reported that a study published online April 8 in the journal Behavioral Sciences and the Law suggests that approximately "22 million Americans ? 8.9 percent of the adult population-- have impulsive anger issues and easy access to guns." For purposes of the study, anger is defined as "explosive, uncontrollable rage, as measured by responses to the National Comorbidity Survey Replication in the early 2000s."
This news story is rapidly circulating among ER docs today, by the subset of our profession who thinks we should ask every patient we see if they own a gun or not.
So what's the gun violence incident rate among those 22 million, or are we not supposed to ask that question?
That's unknown, of course, and an excellent reason not to freak out like people are doing in the listserv world today. God forbid these same people have access to violent video games!!
"It's amazing they're aren't more pointless shootings!" I can almost hear them saying.
Is it? Is it, really? Or maybe it's fairly predictable that even among people with a fairly low threshold for blowing up, there's cognizance of the inevitable consequences of perpetrating violence with a gun.
This news story is rapidly circulating among ER docs today, by the subset of our profession who thinks we should ask every patient we see if they own a gun or not.
Hopefully it's convincing them that interrogating gun owners isn't a good idea.
"22 million Americans ? 8.9 percent of the adult population-- have impulsive anger issues and easy access to guns."
I wonder if they checked on how many of those folks have disqualifying criminal records, and therefore have easy illegal access to guns.
And presumably that has really always been the case, if it is true. So it doesn't tell us anything new. It just explains some of the shootings you do see, if anything.
8% 8.9%!!
I got that email from ACEP today. they're out of their minds.
The medical profession, or at least its governing bodies are thoroughly disappointing in their understanding and respect for individual rights and liberty. When SCOTUS ruled in favor of hobby lobby, ACOG (the obgyn association) put out a press release on how disappointed they were. So here we have a court that finds a law unconstitutional, and instead of being pissed off at the people that passed an unconstitutional law, ACOG condemns the court. It's unreal. And the new medical students entering the profession are even worse.
This news story is rapidly circulating among ER docs today, by the subset of our profession who thinks we should ask every patient we see if they own a gun or not.
Practicing in my head; "Do you own or have access to a firearm?"
Why, what are you suggesting?
I don't, but I could probably get one from my kids if you need it.
Sorry Chief, did I walk into a Police Station? Maybe one of your officers could drop me off at the ER if it's not too much trouble.
Oh shoot, I left the house this morning in such a hurry that I left them in my other open-back gown, maybe you could loan me one?
That explains why my grandfather never talked about his job?
This explains why Puddin' Stick never talked about his grandfather...
Oh, the war stories and Amoco stories were good.
Especially the part when he worked for David Chapman and how nice his son Mark was...
I've been seeing these articles in a lot of papers in the last couple weeks. How do they get in there? I can't imagine the journalists at all of these papers are simultaneously thinking about how underfunded the IRS is. I know there were some congressional hearings on the IRS budget last month, but congress is having hearings on every agency's budget right now, so that's not anything unique to the IRS. Are they getting lobbied by the IRS? IRS employee unions? Or are they just all copying from some reporters' pool, like the AP? It comes off as a media-sponsored lobbying campaign on behalf of the IRS.
I'd guess somebody's sending them press releases and they print those up as news.
Bam. I used to think it was kismet that you'd hear about some trend or meme or phenomenon and then it'd be all over the media for a month. Then I learned about press releases.
Nobody investigates anymore. It just doesn't happen. There are too many hours in the day and not enough people who want to actually be reporters. So what you have are contacts in the AP and elsewhere who basically just aggregate press releases, doctor them up, and release them as news.
As a reporter, I can tell you that it's more than just lazy reporting and the availability of press releases (though that is a problem). I think I am fairly typical in that I get bombarded by press releases every day, from all sorts of groups/companies/government agencies, on all manner of topics (most not relevant to my beat). I pretty much always ignore them after a very quick scan of the subject line, and I presume most other reporters do, too.
For this "pity the IRS" meme to become a meme, it required some degree of ideological sympathy among the reporters writing the stories, followed by copy-cat reporting. I don't know who started the meme, but once something like this gets going, it snowballs fast, IF it's in synch with the liberal sympathies of the average journalist. In fact, some of them will do actual reporting, which can be hard work, if they want to further propagate the meme.
A new JournoList.
"I learned it by watching you!" said the son, a mugger, to his father, an IRS agent.
When we have discussions about those other, more numerous, federal employees, the military lots of people here go on about how they're just doing a job and doing it well, we shouldn't dislike them. So I guess the same people are going to say the same thing here about these Feds, right?
Enjoying your cake?
He wants attention. Even negative attention is more than the little dipshit deserves.
And interestingly no comment by me doesn't draw you commenting on it....
Bo, what do you think of Florida's application of the dangerous instrumentality doctrine to automobiles?
I'm not a fan of third party liability in general.
Then, if you ever find yourself in the Sunshine state, do not lend your car to your girlfriend, your mistress, your son's girlfriend or your aunt Millie.
Your aunt Millie could inch too far out taking a left and hit an oncoming motorcyclist, who, while unemployed and suicidal, and suffering from "PTSD" after having killed or maimed women and children in Iraq, and who continues to suck off the wealth of others by collecting welfare benefits and VA "benefits", and after several police departments rejected his application for employment, may nevertheless have a substantial personal injury claim due to the traumatic injuries he sustained and who will retain counsel to chase your ambulance.
I see no difference between Chris Kyle, an IRS revenue agent, and Adam Lanza.
You should - the former murdered way more peeps. At least Lanza wasted some public sector hacks.
The joke already had a punchline, but thanks for the help I guess.
Yes, it did and it was a good and merits props; however, your post is far more truth and reality than it is a joke.
Let us know how the audit goes JD.
Audit? They've already skipped to the part where they have Lon Horiuchi on the phone.
Too bad Randy did not get that sum bitch.
IRS employees overgrown babies: "WAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!! NOBODY WIKES ME!!!!11!!!!!!!"
LOL. Note to IRS agents: perhaps you fucking parasites should do the world a favor and kill yourselves.
I frequently counsel useless parasites towards suicide. Sadly, most still cling to life.
I resist the urge because I don't want to be put into jail for manslaughter.
You just don't know how a Narcissist works
They're just following orders. They're not morally culpable for anything they do. The law is the law, after all.
Warty,
You've just paraphrased a woman I used to know. She was proud to be in her job longer than anyone else because she "had what it took" and the others were softies who couldn't see that the debtors brought it upon themselves.
She had what it took to rationalize away her sins. Not everyone enjoys her level of cognitive dissonance. I'm starting to see her point.
"I'm starting to see her point."
Surely her level of cognitive dissonance is not something you aspire to. I think I misunderstood you meaning here.
Unrelated - did you see my response to you post above with regards to the police/patron/bouncer situation?
Oh, she sounds like a loathsome slob, but I agree that she had what it takes to delude herself about staying in that job.
"I'm starting to see her point."
Surely her level of cognitive dissonance is not something you aspire to. I think I misunderstood you meaning here.
Unrelated - did you see my response to you post above with regards to the police/patron/bouncer situation?
Religion is super common
You do the same shit. Its the human condition
Debate on police body cameras.
"Oh, I hear the fat kid running! I bet it's hilarious!"
That's why that chase in SC ended with eight shots in the back.
Lay off the donuts and get on the NordicTrac, Officer Tubolard.
"After a while, your wife and relatives get tired of listening to your stories. They say, 'How could you gas those children and shoot the old folks?' The only place you get understanding is with other SS people."
I've been reading a book that's kind of about that. Highly recommended.
Warty was reading a book?
I was kind of expecting the clip from Star Trek TNG: "Eat any good books lately?"
In Louisville this weekend for the Knob Creek shoot. Someone here had a recommendation for a good beer bar downtown...What was it? We usually go to Cumberland Brews as our standard but try one or two other places as well.
They were probably recommending The Connection on S. Floyd St. 🙂
Hey, it's not my normal kind of place but if they have a lot of good beer...
But seriously, folks...
New thing to panic over:
Cyber jihadists could target US TV stations, experts warn
It is sort of a traditional villain thing. Bonus points if they single out one vigilante hero and tell him he has just three hours to find a bomb hidden somewhere in the city, by unraveling their devious puzzles.
I like it. Maybe they could get some snappier outfits?
Well, that *would* be horrible.
The only people who watch *tv* anymore are the seniors, who also happen to be the only people who vote.
Interrupt their local nightly news or their stories and they could turn this country into a hellhole come the next election.
And the rest of us, streaming off the internet, would be wonder just what in the hell happened.
OT: Hillary Clinton expected to make POTUS run announcement this weekend
What difference, at this point, does it make?
Yummy, yummy revenuer tears.
More like this, Reason!
No way. Somewhere there's a transgendered Mexican muslim caged chicken being oppressed. Much more important.
Headline I did not expect to see today.
With violence against albinos rising, Malawi orders police to shoot 'ruthless' attackers
Albinos in Malawi have long faced the threat of abduction, attacks and even death, with criminals seeking to sell albino body parts for witchcraft. Now, a fresh wave of violence has prompted a new government order: shoot anyone caught attacking albinos.
Also the Tanzania Albinism Society is a real thing.
/full disclosure, ex-wife is from Tanzania, though not an albino or reachable for comment.
Is that where they eat albinos because they think it cures AIDS, or something?
Sounds like a reasonable policy. Even better, arm the albinos.
How . . . how *common* are albinos in Africa that this is actually a 'huge' problem? How are there so many that there can be 'waves of violence'?
It's not that there are so many, just that they are a bit more "distinctive".
Why not just start an albino farm?
They farm prostitutes in Portland Oregon, they can farm albinos in Malawi.
The IRS is the most dangerous creditor in the world
The IRS is not a creditor. They don't lend you money and want it back. They are looters.
-jcr
Calling those thieves creditors is an insult to an entirely legitimate industry.
Calling them creditors is an insult to *loan sharks*.
Don't be absurd, your money is never yours. Be glad the creditor government lets you keep any of it at all.
THIS IS WHAT STATISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
I haven't had the stomach to watch the ESB and husband-of-ESB thing where one of them literally says that higher taxes are the same thing as just giving a little less money to you. You're pretty awful, you should give it a try.
Now that, Warty, is Neutral Evil of you.
They are definitely terrible debtors, though. They owe me money and I have to fill out a bunch of fucking nosy forms to get it.
OT: Put on some fucking muscle, you fat fucking fat fucks.
Yeah, I need to do that. I'm very skinny, but very stable in muscle mass. My weight hasn't changed Since I was 18 (which is half my life now). But I have little patience for exercise that doesn't involve actually doing something.
I'm similar to you with regards to weight.
"But I have little patience for exercise that doesn't involve actually doing something."
?? Example?
I can't speak specifically for Zeb, but can understand the sentiment.
Running in place is out. Moving an arm or leg up and down is out. Full body lifting can be... OK. Some hiking is cool and sports are acceptable but...
Move 2 tons of 40, 60, and 80# bags 500 ft. (to the other end of the barn/warehouse)? Hell yeah.
Split wood until my hands bleed? Cool.
Press both 40# kids overhead 10X, one in each hand? Double hell yeah.
This was called functional fitness, possibly as a fad, at one point. IMO, it's just a different way to tax/build your body and "engage your mind" in doing so. Runners get a runner's high, some lifters like a pump or seeing their own big muscles, still others like to see enemies defeated, and some like to see mountains climbed or jobs well done.
When I get time to train and the boys are old enough to help out, I'd like to have a try at the Inman Mile.
Savagely beat SJW's just to hear their chilling wails of agony? FUCK YEAH!
I was a log distance bike racer, starting when I was 14. I was always pretty lean, with very low body fat. When I turned 40, I just started to fill out in the middle. not fat, but not what I have been used to. My lifestyle did not change, it was pure genetics. It happened to my Dad, and I have been able to mock my sons with the idea that it will happen to them, too.
Me too...its a rare phenotype
These farking idiots sent out $5.8 billion in fraudulent tax refunds last year.
http://time.com/money/3419136/.....ax-return/
I understand that this is a rounding error in terms of the overall federal budget, but try explaining that to the several thousand clients of mine who have had to wait for MONTHS if not YEARS to get their refunds.
Funny how an armed populace tends to keep petty bureaucrats on their toes.
The fear in the IRS is that vilification of the service will hurt Americans' high voluntary compliance
Voluntary Compliance
Compliance
That's some grade A logic there.
I am happy to pay taxes as long as I don't have the establishment leveraging capital ownership against me to coerce me into employment at their feet. People with capital leverage do not deserve the leverage they have anymore than any other person with the same capacity.
This means a person born in poverty with a 150 IQ gets the opportunity to own property over the child(ren) of the previous owner's with an IQ of 105.
I wont accept a tax free world (or any other for that matter) that is not meritocratic. I will fight for it. People need to understand that.
When you love government spending, but you hate tax collectors, I think a little self-examination is in order.
There's a reason Jesus was considered to be displaying superhuman kindness and tolerance by eating with tax collectors.
How are we supposed to feel sorry for them when we find out the IRS workers owe millions in back taxes, even though they are paid well. When they allowed themselves to be used for political purposes, and worse, actively participated in an effort to deny civil rights to a group of people based on the idea that they might disagree with Democratic Party platforms. When Democratic Party politicians and Democratic Party henchmen like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are allowed to go years without paying taxes or penalties on millions earned and millions owed.
I understand the tax collection part. It's easy to understand and even approve. It's the illegal, immoral, and unconscionable participation in turning the IRS into just another branch of the Democratic Party that makes me dislike each and every one of the people that works there.
Not to mention Charlie Rangel.
I used to work as a manager for a home builder. We sold decent, middle class houses, not far from an IRS office. Newly built homes sometimes develop issues, and it was my job to fix those issues quickly and politely. The conduct of some of the customers who worked for the IRS was terrible. Often, before I even had time to look at the problem ( typical would be a piece of trim incompletely painted or switch that needed rewiring ), the angry IRS agent would threaten to have me and my family audited. They always seemed to be so full of rage and indignation. I suspect a certain type of people are drawn to the job.
They always make me hop they audit a serial killer who becomes obsessed with them. Perhaps they begin to refer to them as 'Rocktoon' and arranges to place the agent in a giant glass jar in their basement.
People get angry at the IRS for their thuggery as if they are an independent entity. But really, they are just doing the work of Congress.
Maybe if the IRS was instead called the CRS, Congressional Revenue Service, our perspectives on who they really are might change.
Why don't people who don't like taxes move if the blight is so bad?
I hear Somalia has good tax rates
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They are trained to do it wrong. See lost horizons dot com (all one word) for the details.
Beautifully put. Would "mise en sc?ne" involve moving the weapon your victim allegedly wrestled from your hands closer to his body? Because this seems like exactly the sort of business we want to put an end to.
People will tell me that I am lucky not to have to worry about gaining weight. Which is good in some ways. But it isn't all good. If I did get seriously ill or injured and lost a lot of weight I'd be in trouble. If I lost 10 lbs. it would be bad.
Would "mise en sc?ne" involve moving the weapon your victim allegedly wrestled from your hands closer to his body?
I can see it now; no more mugshots, just screen caps from corpses being rolled over and their faces being illuminated by flashlight from below. Officers deliberately run through bed sheets and deliberately getting mud on, and then wiping off, cameras so that every arrest looks like The Blair Witch project.
Hilarious that when it's COPS the actual man carrying a camera is no burden wrt chasing down and arresting suspects. Maybe if the two-ounce camera on your vest is too big an albatross, you should find a different line of work.