France Makes Employing Skinny Models a Crime
Fashion fascism in France! Merde.


Models who don't meet certain government-imposed weight requirements have been banned from French runways and advertisements, under a new law approved by the French parliament Friday. Modeling agencies and others who employ these models could be fined €75,000 or face six months in prison.
In other words, French law now requires employers to discriminate based on body type.
The rule relies on body mass index (BMI)—a number calculated using a person's weight and height—to determine who is too skinny for the catwalk. Anyone with a BMI under 18 is banned. Health minister Marisol Touraine said the move is part of the country's efforts to stop people from developing eating disorders.
Most of the media has been reporting on the law as a ban on "anorexic" or "ultra-thin" models. But that's a bit of a stretch. While BMI can be useful as a broad guideline for healthy weight/height ratios, it's far from a definitive indicator of fitness or health. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for instance, describes BMI as "a fairly reliable indicator of body fatness for most people" (emphasis mine). Many perfectly fit and visually slim people complain that their BMI places them in the "obese" category, which tends to happen when people are more muscular. Anyone with a BMI of 30 or above is considered obese.
And anyone with a BMI under 18 is considered "underweight." But like the obesity threshold, many people who fall in this "underweight" category both appear and are healthy. I'm one of them. At 5'6", I tend to weigh between 110 and 115 pounds. At the high end, I am considered to have a healthy and "normal" BMI. Lose four pounds and I'd be banned from modeling in France. And I am hardly what anyone would consider worryingly thin.
This wouldn't just be just a ban on "anorexic" models but a whole lot of healthy women, women who would have to be actively unhealthy to meet the government's weight standard. [Meanwhile, of course, anyone in France who wants to access images of ultra-thin or anorexic models could certainly still do so all over the Internet.]
The measure would also require re-touched photographs used in advertisements to carry a message saying the image was altered and make it illegal to condone "excessive thinness." Any operator of a website "encouraging eating restrictions for a prolonged period of time" would face up to a year in prison and fines of up to €100,000.
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I wonder what France would do if the entire fashion industry just packed up and moved to another country?
Is it John's birthday or something?
Speaking of, you know else didn't like overly skinny models?...
Michael Mann?
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Italian fashion designers rejoice.
Ding!
The fashion industry moves to Milan. I love it when governments screw up their countries in ways so obvious even those who love government can't fail to understand the connection.
Milan is already a major fashion industry. Italy has its own fashion houses.
What you mean is French fashion industry will move to Milan.
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You forgot to add "Sarcasmic hardest hit" to the headline.
I LOLed.
She could still add it as alt-text!
Maybe work something in about how not skinny is fat.
NOT GIVING CAKE IS TAKING CAKE
I WAS FOR PLUS SIZE MODELS BEFORE I WAS AGAINST THEM.
But like the obesity threshold, many people who fall in this "underweight" category both appear and are healthy. I'm one of them
Now I am obsessed and need photos. I am beyond redemption.
I never got the hate for skinny women some of these folks have. It's not like the women that are going to replace the skinny ones are going to be anymore average woman appearance than the current crop. Hell, the weight requirements will probably result in them undergoing surgery so they can both meet weight requirements and have flat stomachs.
It's magical thinking anyway. French designers will still employ skinny models. When the French government comes knocking because they saw an ad with a very thin woman, the modeling agency will say, "We put her on a scale the morning before the photo shoot and her weight was above an 18 BMI. Try to prove otherwise."
I think you underestimate the French ability to screw people over with red tape.
The point is, so long as the correct paperwork is filled out, any model's actual BMI is irrelevant. The law's real intent is to be a make-work program for French bureaucrats who want to be creepy around models all day, and to give designers who have chums in government a way to put the squeeze on designers who don't.
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make it illegal to condone "excessive thinness."
Yes, it is important to make it a crime to condone a body shape that the State doesn't like.
It's like they learned nothing from the abuses of State power they've lived through in the past century or three.
Yep, it is almost like that.
The French need to be put under the yoke of the Nazis for about three years every fifty to remind them.
At the high end, I am considered to have a healthy and "normal" BMI. Lose four pounds and I'd be banned from modeling in France. And I am hardly what anyone would consider worryingly thin.
Pics plz.
Thx in advance.
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Pics plz.
You people are awful.
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So add a little silicone and increase BMI. Problem solved.
Genius
Why is BMI even still used? Wasn't it some crockery invented in the 1800s? It's about as useful as Phrenology.
BMI is fine enough for analyzing large populations, because its built-in assumption that the subject has no muscle is more or less correct in the aggregate. It's utterly useless for analyzing any particular person.
Says the person who is BMI OBESE.
I think you meant "the person who's genitalia is BMI OBESE."
it was developed as a model for issuing life insurance.
applied to large populations it tends to identify risk associated with obesity.
applied to an individual person, it is bullshit.
My BMI dropped below 33 recently. NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Back to the Mountain Dew!!!
The CDC disapproves Mr. Hugeman.
Are we sure Fist isn't behind all of this?
Fist is behind everything.
You sons of bitches are going to acknowledge the truth of the BMI or find yourselves in the re-education camps.
Lock and load.
another win for the Fat Girl Lobby. when will the world come to its senses and stop pandering to fat chicks?!
In other news: Parisian catwalk fatwalk collapses under weight of nouveau poids models.
A BMI of 18 would be a person 5' 7", 121 pounds or the equivalent of a male Kenyan marathon runner. Don't put any male Kenyan marathon runners on a runway in France or you'll get fined!
Pics or it didn't happen.
BMI = 45, BMI = 19
*Swoon*
If only he didn't trim his torso, right?
It is disappointing, but I'm sure I can make it work.
See, I was never your type anyhow. Now I won't feel so bad welching on the bet.
I have broad tastes, my good man, broad tastes.
Sharia law should ban female models under 18 bmi. Then, France would explode.
*over 18. Joke ruined.
Let them eat cake, made of vegetables.
I like carrot cake.
Shut up, Garfield.
Beer is a food group.
This is what democracy looks like. Tyranny of the (lazy, fat) majority.
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This is where we're heading, banning skinny models and otherwise having laws compelling behavior in just about every walk of life.
Say, Obama is quite thin and devoid of any visible muscles.
I wonder what his BMI would be? Would it be illegal for him to model in France?
Okay, I found the BMI thread everyone.
There's got to be more to it, because on its face that sentence means diet Web sites would be illegal.
Ms. Brown, can you read French? If so I fault you for incomplete & misleading research, unless the measure was really drafted so stupidly. Gotta check it out myself, I guess.
Sheesh, just followed a couple of links & it's in English:
Usu. I like your stuff, Ms. Brown, but shame on you for selectively quoting this one to make it more inflammatory by making it appear to apply ridiculously broadly, instead of likely having no application at all. Who's going to put up a diet Web site saying, follow this diet until you make yourself sick?
Oh for fucks sake. Clothing designers use skinny models because they are trying to sell clothes not make a statement about women's bodies. They want the clothes to look good without knowing exactly who is going to be wearing it on the runway. Women's breasts and hips have tremendous variation in placement on the torso (I make a lot of costumes.) Making a fabric tube that will look good is a hell of a lot easier if the women showing it have no breasts and narrow hips, then it doesn't matter which particular model is wearing it. As an example, dress maker's dummies set the breast level at 8" from the shoulder which is the average, but I have made dresses for people where the breast was at the 6" mark and I myself fall at the 11" mark. If you leave room in the dress for 36" of boob at the 8 mark and the model is slung at the ten, then her boobs will be squished and there will be a big poof of loose fabric above her actual breast line, which will look like crap. Now combine this variable with the variables of where the hip line flares, and where the natural waistline falls in relation to the breast and hip and the fit gets progressively worse. And don't get me started on the special tailoring nightmare that is shelf butts. It's why stores have fitting rooms, just cause it's your size don't mean it will fit.
Not a problem on guys though, because as they get fatter they become more tube-like not less.
At 5'6", I tend to weigh between 110 and 115 pounds. At the high end, I am considered to have a healthy and "normal" BMI. Lose four pounds and I'd be banned from modeling in France. And I am hardly what anyone would consider worryingly thin.
I've never lived on either coast, but don't people tend to be on the extreme ends of obsessing over appearance, so that "normal" is probably skinnier than it is other places? I've spent most of my life on the low end of a normal BMI too and people have always made me feel abnormal but I've never had an eating disorder. Anyway, my point is that people in different cultures have different perceptions of how healthy other people are and many of them are probably wrong.
Only the French could make our nanny state look good.
It will be interesting when French magazines will not be able to publish a photo of the winner of the Paris marathon next Sunday.
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