Stop the Madness: Even Ron Swanson Is Boycotting Indiana
When it comes to religious freedom, boycotts, and the culture wars, there is clearly a lot of hypocrisy to go around.


The list of businesses, governments, and famous people boycotting the state of Indiana over Gov. Mike Pence's decision to sign the Religious Freedom Restoration Act is still growing. Now even Nick Offerman—the comedian and actor who played libertarian hero Ron Swanson on NBC's Parks and Recreation—has cancelled his upcoming Indiana comedy tour dates. Ashton Kutcher, Larry King, Charles Barkley, and a host of other celebrities have made similar declarations, as have several companies, cities, and Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy—even though Connecticut has had RFRA in place for the last 20 years. For a complete list of boycotters, see The Washington Post.
I should stress that there is nothing explicitly un-libertarian about this boycott. People, especially private actors, have every right to refuse to engage in commerce with others, for any reason.
Even so, I have a hard time understanding why the citizens of Indiana—the overwhelming majority of whom would not discriminate against gay people regardless of whether they had the legal right to do so—should be punished because their governor signed RFRA. "There's absolutely no likelihood that any significant number of Indiana businesses are just waiting for an excuse to discriminate against gay people," observed Reason's Scott Shackford yesterday.
Yes, I understand that the aim of the boycott is not to hurt the Hoosiers, but to inspire Pence to change his mind (a tactic that did prevent Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer from signing a similar law). Still, I'm troubled by the idea that every aspect of life should be politicized—that people are not worthy of engagement or commercial exchange unless they and their government represent a perfect reflection of one's own views. As Reason's Brian Doherty wrote about the Duck Dynasty controversy, "The idea that people should be punished with boycotts or losing their jobs over having wrong beliefs hobbles the flowering of tolerant classical liberal market cosmopolitanism."
That rings true to me, regardless of the specific ideology of the boycotters. Indeed, many social conservatives expressing irritation that their religious freedom law has produced a boycott would themselves be boycotting if the causes were reversed. As Reason editor Nick Gillespie pointed out:
Just this morning, I received an email from the Media Research and the Family Research Council denouncing Disney/ABC Television for developing a show based on the life of foul-mouthed, Christian-bashing advice columnist Dan Savage (whose latest media stunt was to tell Ben Carson to "suck my dick" to show that homosexuality is not a learned behavior). "If you choose to go forward," warn L. Brent Bozell and Tony Perkins, "it is very likely you will be creating an immediate national scandal for yourself."
Sounds like a threat to boycott, doesn't it? …
Social liberals, for their part, should recall that they once vigorously supported RFRAs (as did virtually everybody else) when the laws were understood to be necessary for the protection of peyote-ingesting Native Americans and Sikh haircuts. It's hard not to agree with Baylor University Professor of Humanities Alan Jacobs, who wrote on Twitter: "When you look at the people who have been protected by religious liberty laws, the liberal opposition to them is a straightforward abandonment of principle in hopes of winning a victory against the 'repugnant cultural other'."
When it comes to religious freedom, boycotts, and the culture wars, there is clearly a lot of hypocrisy to go around. I do wish both sides would leave the common folk of Indiana out of it, though.
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I boycott Indiana because of the Evil Irsays.
Well, his wife was on Will & Grace.
He needs to boycott every state that has a RFRA, then. Lemme know when that happens.
The only open question is whether he should boycott the United States. Because we have a federal RFRA, too.
You can either take a principled position, or you can be selective. You can't do both.
We can always boycott everyone!
You can't do both.
Of course you can. You can signal your affiliation to all the skin-deep social consciousness dweebs outside Indiana, and hope they'll take note and buy tickets to your shows.
That would be option 2 ("selective"), not option 1 ("principled").
For them, it's one and the same. If it weren't for principles on the cheap they wouldn't have any at all.
Without the half-assery, there's no Kultur War. To engage in Kultur War is to champion half-assery.
Yup
Might be a nice place to visit along about now; all the riff-raff is staying away.
My last time driving through there, I passed a Pizza Hut with a bunch of Amish buggies tied up outside. Delightful.
At least they weren't Amish buggerers, amiright
I would have thought that pizza was prideful, but perhaps not.
I suppose if the Pizza Hut employees looked dour or humble enough, it would pass muster, yes?
Only deep dish is prideful, for only deep dish has enough bounty of plenty to be prideful.
I was talking about pizza, not deep-dish.
That was half-assed Mennonites.
Social liberals, for their part, should recall that they once vigorously supported RFRAs (as did virtually everybody else) when the laws were understood to be necessary for the protection of peyote-ingesting Native Americans and Sikh haircuts non-Christians.
ftfy
To be fair, nobody is "harmed" by their neighbor's drug usage or haircut. It's a little harder for people to accept that "we don't like your kind" is based on the same principle.
It's not even that. Progressives celebrate religious diversity and tolerance as long as they're excluding Christians, and you never hear progressives demand freedom from any religion other than Christianity. Principles shminciples.
So progs are A-OK with (say) a Muslim bakery refusing to service a gay wedding? Somehow I doubt that.
You can bet they'd support a Muslim bakery refusing to service a Christian wedding.
How about a Muslim cab drivers refusing to drive someone carrying alcohol?
Ron couldn't expect to be invited back on late night TV if he didn't take a stand, now could he?
Ron couldn't expect to be invited back on late night tv if everyone forgot about him because he's no longer playing the character that made him famous.
Ron Swanson has the right to tell the entire state of Indiana to piss off, and he can refuse to do business with anyone in Indiana.
Shop owners in Indiana should have the right to tell anyone that walks through the doors of their shops to piss off, and they can refuse to do business with anyone for any reason.
The RFRA should be irrelevant.
While it is nice to have my state in the new occasionally, I think I'm over it. Can we come up with some other issue for celebrities and people on Facebook to express indignation over? Alabama, can you pass a few laws banning abortion or requiring circumcision or something?
Arizona to the rescue...
Yeah, just give us a couple of days.
Illinois could pass a law mandating deep-dish pizza...
AYE!
Jersey is thinking about legislation mandating spray tans and gold necklaces with initials. So there's that.
Like they need a law for that.
+ 1 velour track suit with stillettos...
I found some chocolate Thomas The Tank Engine lollipops once, huge things, great for Christmas stocking stuffers. Sent them to my sister for her kids (kindergarten and younger).
Got back a polite-but-firm rebuke, because Thomas The Tank Engine is a Disney character, and doncha know Disney employees with gay almost-spouses got health benefits. Oooh!
I replied that unless she also rejected packages delivered by gay UPS employees and only bought gas, groceries, and everything else only from non-gay stores, whose deliveries were all by non-gay employees, and whose products were all manufactured only by non-gay employees, etc etc etc, that she was a hypocrite.
Further, I was not in the business of checking such matters myself, so if she wanted to throw the chocolate lollipops away, that was her business; once I give something away, it's no longer mine. And further furthermore, if sending her some nice chocolate stocking stuffers was only going to generate moralistic preaching letters, then I would not trouble her any more with anything that might have ever been handled or looked upon or even been data processed by possibly gay people.
Boycotts are stupid. If these idiots are such knee jerk boycotters, that's their problem, not mine. I don't watch Parks & Rec because I didn't like the episodes I saw on Netflix. I wasn't going to watch it because a character is libertarian, and I won't not watch it because that actor is stupid.
I tend to avoid contact with my sister for similar reasons. My brother isn't quite as bad, but when any political topic comes up during the holidays I just tell them everybody sucks so leave me out of it.
Your sister is a double idiot. For that, and for the fact that Thomas is not a Disney character.
(but yeah. I have the same problem with my sister. Of course, I haven't spoken to my sister in nearly 5 years, which has mostly solved that, since I don't have to deal with her any longer)
Boycotts are stupid.
The rule of thumb is WWJJD? What would Jesse Jackson do? Whatever he would do is morally wrong so don't do it.
Collectively guilting all your fans that live in Indiana for the actions of the state government is pretty shitty.
Fans of Offerman and other people who cancel on them should be pissed at them more than the legislature.
Brent Bozell getting upset over a TV show is exactly the same thing. It clearly proves anyone who doesn't oppose religious freedom is a total hypocrite
In an effort to show solidarity with Austin Kucher, I too shall 'boycott' Indiana.
(I don't actually have to *do* anything, right?)
You should be prepared to demonstrate the appropriate amount of moral outrage in some kind of public setting.
Pick a random product that has an office in Indiana, and tell everyone you will stop using it. Oh wait, sorry, that's already more than anyone else who is boycotting has done.
"Even Ron Swanson Is Boycotting Indiana"
I wasn't aware that fictional TV characters could boycott things in real life. Hey Reason, STFU.
I wasn't aware that fictional reason commentators could comment on reason.
Thanks for the tip!
It's a reasonable thing to point out if only because Ron Swanson the character would theoretically be supportive of the law while Nick Offerman the actor is not, since he is not the libertarian icon that Swanson is.
+1 Never be a dirty bird.
My favorite Ron Swanson quote: I oppose useless government programs. I also oppose useful government programs. I oppose past programs, current programs, and future programs.
OT: Suppose an Asimov-type robot became a doctor. Could it perform abortions or would it conflict with the first law of robotics? I had a dream where the medipod robot from Prometheus was giving Noomi Rapace a lecture before removing the alien from her.
I have a dream that after leaving the medipod and stumbling into a room full of people that someone would ask about the staples holding her belly together or question what happened to the alien baby.
Could it perform abortions or would it conflict with the first law of robotics?
I assume it would depend on any conflict with the zeroth law of robotics.
R. Daneel's mind should've melted right after he concocted that illogical monstrosity. It is right up there with "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" in the list of stoopid aphorisms.
True. Although, nitpicking warning, I think it was Giskard who concocted the law and passed it on.
Oops, continued...and, in fact, Giskard's brain did melt down as a result.
Well, R. Giskard ... That robot had issues.
You're assuming (wrongly) that there is some sort of *objective* measure of 'humanity'.
Of course there is a measure. If there wasn't, doctors would not be able to declare people dead.
Unless all those are gone, you're not dead- you can still pine for the fjords!
Doctors declared people dead before they even *knew* about 'brain activity', let alone could measure it.
I'm not dead yet.
I don't assume that there is an objective measure of humanity. That's why I declare all the people I have killed to be not human. After all, who is anyone to disagree? Saying its murder is forcing your subjective definition of humanity on me. That's just like your opinion man.
I don't think Derp got around to Robots and Empire.
Actually I'm pretty sure that's how Frank Herbert wanted the Butlerian Jihad in Dune to start before his son got his dirty hands all over it. I think it was in his notes that the Jihad starts after Butler has an automated medical station perform an abortion on her, without her permission, because the fetus would have been 'defective' in some way. Realizing the overwhelming control role the machines have over mankind, Butler starts the rebellion and later religious crusade that would eliminate 'thinking machines' from the Dune universe.
And then Brian Herbert had to fuck it all up.
I mean, really = is this NOT a list of "Pandering Assholes"?
"Athletes, celebrities, politicians and CEOs
Apple CEO Tim Cook
Ashton Kutcher
Audra McDonald
California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom (D)
Charles Barkley
Cher
Ellen DeGeneres
George Takei
Hillary Clinton
Jason Collins
James Van Der Beek
Keith Olbermann
Larry King
MC Hammer
Miley Cyrus
New York Mayor Bill de Blasio
Nick Offerman - cancelled upcoming Indiana tour dates, will donate proceeds from Wednesday Indiana University show to HRC
Reggie Miller
Stephen King
Wilco - cancelled Indianapolis show"
...oh, but Reggie Miller? Say it aint so, joe. That one hurts man. really.
Hey, where's Rob Schneider? He's always up for moral preening. He was the first celebrity to denounce Mel Gibson. That'll show him. No one gets anywhere in Hollywood without Rob Schneider's say-so!
+1 moral preening carrot
+1 da derp de derp te tum te teedily tum te terr
The next step is ribbons at the Oscars, right?
Little anti-hoosier ribbons so famous assholes can express their solidarity?
An E! reporter will ask Daniel Day Lewis or Judd Apatow or some other washed-up self-important prick about the ribbon so he can tear up and perform on the red carpet.
The band wagoning is nauseating.
The band wagoning is nauseating.
I'm publicly signalling my opposition of this statement. Who's with me?
He'd show up if Indiana decided to mandate vaccines. He's taken over Jenny McCarthy's position as '"biggest celebrity anti-vaccine idiot"
What a coincidence. I have been boycotting pretty much all of them for years.
Can't wait to see Hillary boycott Indiana if she runs for president.
I should refresh before commenting
I anxiously await to see Hillary Clinton boycott Indiana's electoral votes.
All now on my boycott list!
Hillary is boycotting Indiana? Really? Does her stupid really run that deep?
I guess it's official: Indiana is the new Ferguson Of The Week, the target of the latest JournoList Five Minute Hate.
When does something elevate itself from personal choice to a boycott? Personally, I wouldn't give my business to a diner that refused to serve someone because they were black. I also stopped watching the West Wing (and refuse to watch anything connected to Aaron Sorkin) because I don't like vapid, progressive moralizing in my entertainment. Am I guilty of "boycotting?" Or does the term "boycotting" as it's currently being used as part of this debate require the sort of oh-my-god-the-world-is-going-to-end reaction that we are seeing on social media? Or does it require the lumping of a greater whole in with the undesirable behavior of an individual actor (I don't refuse to watch every HBO program simply because they show Newsroom and Girls)?
Sorry to go all Judge Nap with the questions.
It's only a boycott if you publicly incite many others to follow your preference.
But is that just a function of scale (and has the proliferation of opinion by social media exacerbated it)? I mean, if I tell my friend that I refuse to watch Newsroom and deprive myself of Olivia Munn eyecandy because I detest the oversimplified moral preening and statist propaganda of Sorkin, is that boycotting or does it require me to be a semi-famous person and my announcement of my opinion occur on Twitter?
Publicly. You have to be as loud and proud as a gay parade down Main St.
Yes, I understand that the aim of the boycott is not to hurt the Hoosiers,
Actually, I'm pretty sure it is.
Foreseeable consequences are not unintended.
Indiana's civil rights statute does not protect gays so Indiana businesses have always had the right to discriminate against gays but have never done so.
^THIS^.
This is really starting to piss me off because Indiana's RFRA might actually help some religious minorities (like me and other Hoosier neo-pagans) who do have regular problems with government discrimination.
So if I understand this situation. There's a lot of people on Twatter who are using their freedom of association to protest the idea that someone else might exercise their freedom of association.
I think you have a firm grasp of the situation and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Newsletter, pfffft.
podcast.
My name's Switzy and I lord my grasp of modern technology over Catatafish's smelly fish head.
So if I understand this situation. There's a lot of people on Twatter who are using their freedom of association to protest the idea that someone else might exercise their freedom of association.
IMO, the sad part is, strip IN of RFRA or lose and gnash their teeth in protest, biding their time until the next state passes an RFRA-equivalent, they won't learn a damn thing.
They'll still insist that they're morally superior to those rabid fundamentalist bigots who live in flyover country.
Does anyone else find it bizarre that people are celebrated when they loudly spew their stupidity for the whole world to marvel at?
Meanwhile, in other news, it's possible that a cure for MRSA has been found in a 1000 year old doctor's manual.
Tell me again when the Dark Ages were.
The workers who built the pyramids ate a lot of garlic and radishes. This was a method of disease prevention:
http://www.herballegacy.com/Porritt_History.html
Herodotus in AD?! That's a mistake.
Obviously large amount of garlic protects you from disease - no one wants to be around you after scarfing down a clove.
I'm amused that the "science" types are finally noticing. I cannot take any antibiotics (yay hyperactive immune system), so I have been treating infections with garlic, oregano oil, and honey for decades.
Uhm, if you have a *hyper*active immune system, wouldn't your incidence of infection be low already, and the infections you did get fought off quicker?
I mean, I know there are other problems (like the immune system attacking your own body) but it would seem that with a hyperactive immune system you wouldn't really need antibiotics to help fight infections.
Hyperactive in the sense that I have a shit ton of allergies. My GP is my allergist. The current list is long enough that my medic alert bracelet is USB memory stick in a Medic Alert Case.
"I do wish both sides would leave the common folk of Indiana out of it, though."
Both sides? What did the religious-freedom supporters do? Engage in Badthink?
Boycotts like this are driven by the same stupid thinking that drives our country's policy toward Cuba: punish the ordinary people in hopes that they'll overthrow their government. If they don't, then they deserve to suffer.
My best friend's mother-in-law makes $85 /hour on the internet . She has been out of work for 5 months but last month her pay was $16453 just working on the internet for a few hours.
Visit this website ????? http://www.jobsfish.com
Starting right after this post, I'm boycotting the bots. Who's with me?
ME!!!!!!
She should stop selling stuff to the bigots in Indiana. So what if that cuts her $85/hour job down to $80/hour.
If Offerman's "American Ham" on Netflix is any indication of what the people of Indiana are missing out on, he did them a favor.
Aren't the people talking about boycotting Indiana really hoping that the businesses that lose their patronage will complain to their political officials, thus causing said political officials to change their votes? But I thought these same people also decried business/corporate influence in politics? "Hey, Hilton Hotels---stop lobbying to eliminate the room tax. But, please step up your lobbying to guarantee some bigot who owns a florist shop has to make a swastika flower arrangement for some skinhead wedding."
Why all the focus on the Governor? I admit that I don't keep up with Indiana politics, but don't they still do the whole voting and electing thing? The poor unfortunate people of Indiana (who are being hurt by the boycott) are also the ones who elected the legislature that wrote the law and the governor who signed the law.
re: "I'm troubled that every aspect of life should be politicized." I think that's hardly an accurate description of this issue. The complaint is that the law has legalized discrimination. Think whatever you will of this issue or the complaint (and I think we are talking about a bunch of douchebag celebrities trying to score coolpoints with their social awareness), but trivializing the law as some insignificant "aspect of life" is hardly accurate.
My biggest complaint is that it is the RFRA instead of just the FRA. We should all have the right to choose who we will do business with. That freedom shouldn't require some kind of religion-based justification.
oops... didn't intend for that to be attached as a reply to creech's comment, but I guess it's a decent enough place.
If the celebs were refusing to perform at the Governor/legislature's house(s), maybe.
Refusing to do a comedy show in an entire geographical area because of what a few people, none of whom are in the audience, passed as a law? Yes, that's making everything in your life political. Nothing about the comedy show is related to the politics.
Good point, creech. The boycott works like this:
(1) Local businesses are hurt (thus negating the fatuous assertion that the boycotters don't want to hurt anyone. A boycott by definition hurts someone to the precise extent it is effective.)
(2) Those businesses put pressure on politicians (thus putting the proggies in the position of demanding, and profiting from, corporate influence in politics).
Genius. Pure genius. Its either lies or hypocrisy all the way down.
I'm troubled by the idea that every aspect of life should be politicized?that people are not worthy of engagement or commercial exchange unless they and their government represent a perfect reflection of one's own views.
Well said.
Sort of ironic, given that they people they are objecting to are trying to avoid commercial activity with people whose views they disagree with.
Is it too late for me to take a meaningless and empty stand on a topic I know practically nothing about?
If you don't hurry up, it will be over.
I'll signal my approval afterwards, for whatever the popular outcome is.
How very Politician-like. Are you preparing to run for office?
Just not business owners when it comes to protected classes or groups of people. Those people have no right to refuse to sell their wares.
Like Tony said in the earlier and similar post: Nobody forced you to open a business that caters to the "public." I guess Hoosiers are not the "public" that the little red Marxian had in mind when he wrote his ridiculous proposition.
Public accommodation laws are pure evil. Just because I'm having my friend over for grilled pork chops tonight, in exchange for a side dish and some beer, does not mean I'm now required to do this for everyone.
But if you wanted to cook pork chops for me, I wouldn't be opposed.
1 side dish and half of a six pack, please.
Why are you only cooking pork chops? You need to be inclusive to any potential Jewish or Muslim guests, you know.
My favorite Jewish friend begins his Sabbath with a bacon cheeseburger. He says if G-D can overlook the poly-cotton blend thing, he can overlook the bacon thing too.
Can't do beef either then, might have a Hindu...
It's okay to eat fish, cause they don't have any feelings.
Something in the way... mmmm.
Whether entering from Ohio or Illinois, the Indiana Toll Road is always a welcome sight for me. Does this mean that all the good people are now barred from traversing the Northern route across America?
People who do this kind of shit, regardless of reasons/ ideology aren't interested in "the flowering of tolerant classical liberal market cosmopolitanism," they're interested only in making sure everyone else around them practices right thinking. Or else. The irony is that so many on the left preach about "tolerance" yet are just as intolerant, if not more so, than any hard right religious conservative.
To the left, tolerance means not tolerating intolerance. This way anyone who disagrees with them is considered to be intolerant, and in their minds they are practicing tolerance when they act in an intolerant manner towards people who express disagreement.
Same with inclusiveness and equality. Inclusiveness means excluding those who disagree with them, and equality means those who disagree with them are inferior.
Only by making sure that EVERYONE expresses the CORRECT values (or else!) can we truly have an open and tolerance atmosphere.
Remember in 2008 when everyone boycotted California because they voted the outlaw same-sex marriage? Me neither.
Heh
Remember when California passed prop 8, and good-thinking people immediately declared that we should boycott... Utah?
I forgot how everyone blamed the Mormons for it.
Yep. No one actually wants to boycott a place that's fun.
I can only conclude that Nick Offerman tickets weren't selling as well as expected. Probably because people know he's the exact opposite of Ron Swanson and people actually want Ron Swanson over Nick Offerman.
The boycott, the outrage and the entire issue as well as the law are all crap. The law is one in search of a problem since no business has been forced to decide between religious values and serving customers. The outrage and boycott are also crap because again, there has not been a problem. All of the outrage as well as the law are based on one thing,,, what COULD happen, not what HAS happened. The outrage is crap because the Federal government and 19 other states have the exact same kind of laws. All those "boycotting" Indiana are nothing more than opportunists trying to get free publicity and media coverage. How many people in the US actually know who Ron Swanson is? I didn't have a clue until this article which I would argue is the only reason for his public declaration about boycotting Indiana,because he sure didn't say he was cancelling his tour dates in the other 19 states, did he? .
Indiana's RFRA isn't anti-Gay. Just like literacy tests in Alabama in the 1950s and 1960s were not racist. Get a clue, Reason.
I support religious liberty AND literacy qualifications for voting.
Article's heading read: Stop the Madness: Even Ron Swanson Is Boycotting Indiana
When it comes to religious freedom, boycotts, and the culture wars, there is clearly a lot of hypocrisy to go around.
Till I viewed the article, I'd never heard of Mr. Swanson, but let that pass. More important,I think,is the last part of the article's heading, about which the following comes to mind. Seems that there is MORE than enough hypocrisy to go around, a lot more.
I support Indiana in this but do I REALLY have to go there?
It was never enough to simply leave the bacon, lettuce and tomato crowd alone. Oh no.
We were always supposed to go ga-ga over the beauty and intensity of gayism and lesbianism.
We were always to ohhhhh...and ahhhhh...over the intellectualism of bisexual, pan-sexual and kneel down to pay proper homage to transsexuals.
None of it was ever sexual: It has always been about non-conformity and exhibitionism.
And....hard-core leftism.
You people...yes...the bacon, lettuce and tomato people....you are overplaying your card big time
And when they find out how to identify the "gay" gene (if it in fact exists), you people will make Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell seem like the biggest pro-choicers that ever exhisted.
Pence should just ignore all this. Wait two weeks, when the news cycle will have moved onto something else. By that time everyone will have forgotten they are supposed to be boycotting Indiana.
Will the Puritans now return to Holland after having seen that there is no religious tolerance (and/or freedom) in The New World?
I went to the MotoGP at Indianapolis Motor Speedway last year. I had a hell of a good time there and at a great place to eat just across the street from IMS called BBQ and Bourbon. Does this whole kerfuffle mean that I need to report to one of the re-education camps so that my memory of a great time in Indiana can be replaced with memories of being repeatedly sodomized by Mennonites doing a summer stock version of "Midnight Express" and I can sign my pledge to never, ever visit Indiana again?
The SoCons have lost the battles, and lost the war. It is over by any objective standard.
It's not over for them, though. NO SIRREE BOB! They'll keep charging Abortion Hill and Ghey's Hill, right into the guns.
I wonder how many more Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs they're gonna have to eat before they finally surrender?
My money's on 8012.
It still feels a little odd to see my freshman lit professor quoted in random national news articles. At least he's right.