Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton Only Had a Personal E-Mail Account While She Was Secretary of State; Broke the Law But What Difference Does it Make?

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An explosive report from The New York Times reveals that while she was Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton did not have a government e-mail address. Instead she used her own private e-mail address and her staffers made no effort at the time to retain those e-mails on government servers, a violation of federal law.

The Times reports:

It was only two months ago, in response to a new State Department effort to comply with federal record-keeping practices, that Mrs. Clinton's advisers reviewed tens of thousands of pages of her personal emails and decided which ones to turn over to the State Department. All told, 55,000 pages of emails were given to the department.

What difference, at this point, does it make, most transparent administration in history and all that.

Clinton is not the only government official to use her personal email for official business—Lois Lerner was found to have done the same as questions arose over what kind of inappropriate communications the former IRS bureaucrat was engaged in. Using personal email for government business, while it may be against the law, is relatively popular among government officials who don't fear repercussions from breaking government laws.

Related: The State Department is now walking back a claim that it OK'd foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was Secretary of State.

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  1. Hey, 55,000 pages. That is almost as much as what was ‘found‘ recently for Lois Lerner at the IRS.

    Last Thursday, the IRS inspector general said it took only two weeks for investigators to find hundreds of tapes?the very tapes IRS Commissioner John Koskinen said were either destroyed or deleted. To punctuate the problem, the IRS claims it has spent $10 million producing documents, including 67,000 Lois Lerner emails.

    Throughout it all, Lerner, who was placed on administrative leave, received her salary and benefits and continued to receive bonuses?a total of $129,300 over three years, according to Forbes. The former commissioner also received a $100,000 bonus.

    To date, taxpayers have spent millions investigating the IRS scandal?including the $10 million spent trying to recover the “lost tapes” to the millions spent on six different investigations.

    1. “Throughout it all, Lerner, who was placed on administrative leave, received her salary and benefits and continued to receive bonuses?a total of $129,300 over three years, according to Forbes. The former commissioner also received a $100,000 bonus.”

      Don’t do the crime, if you don’t want a 3 years all expenses paid vacation.

      Don’t do it.

      1. Well you know, we have to make the penalties tough in order to send a message.

  2. We are a nation of laws! Dammit, laws!

    1. Who hasn’t been breaking federal law for years?

      1. Good point.

        If you haven’t broken a few laws you’re obviously not doing enough to qualify you for the Presidency.

        1. Exactly this. She’s ready for the presidency. And, my guess is, we’re dilated enough to be Ready for Hilary.

        2. If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’?

      2. Three Felonies a Day, baby.

        1. That reminds me. I need to file my taxes soon

          1. No, you don’t. You need to send the data to your tax guy. Don’t e-mail it; messenger a flash drive.
            I know that!

            1. I do things that no accountant would sign off on. They’re not wrong. More a difference of opinion.

              1. You have the wrong accountant.

    2. We are a nation of lawsuits.

      1. Isn’t that the sad truth.

        I often wonder if the people advocating for single payer health care “like European countries have”, realize that their legal systems are far different from ours.

    3. It does seem silly to assert simplistic legal superiority in nuanced – and possibly meaningless -situations like this. That kind of thinking gets presidents impeached.

  3. Clinton’s advisers reviewed tens of thousands of pages of her personal emails and decided which ones to turn over to the State Department

    OK. Turn over *all* her advisors to the Justice DepartmHAHAHAHAAA!! Damn, couldn’t quite get it out!

    1. Just Us Dept.

  4. Solution: let state attorney generals prosecute federal laws.

    No, not kidding. That would totally work.

    1. Also allow prosecution of federal laws by legislatures hiring their own prosecutor, and by ballot initiative.

      Here I assume you mean prosecute as in allege unconstitutionality, not enforce.

    2. State AGs arent really better than Federal prosecutors from what Ive seen. They tend to be as bad or worse.

  5. Yeah, but Walker doesn’t have a degree, so there!

    1. I have three. Team Blue, bow down and worship me.

      1. Does an A.A. in Graphic Arts count?

        I’m so ashamed.

        1. (I’m gonna wear this out, but tough!)
          Two degrees in be-bop/
          A PhD in swing/
          He’s a Master of rhythm/
          He’s a rock and roll king/

          1. + a million Little Feat, one time best band evah till Lowell up and died.

      2. How many are in the humanities? None? You can show yourself to the door.

  6. It’s fake scandals all the way down.

  7. Clinton’s advisers reviewed tens of thousands of pages of her personal emails and decided which ones to turn over to the State Department.

    No prob. The NSA turned over the resHAHAHAHAAA!! Damn, couldn’t quite get it out!

  8. I wonder if the left media has determined that Hillary is too damaged to win a presidential election and is going to preemptively sabotage her in hopes of getting a more electable candidate?

    1. I wonder which candidate they consider more electable (and palatable to them).

      1. Joe Biden, of course!
        Good ol’ crazy uncle Joe, just keep him away from the ladies after he’s had a couple!

        1. He’d probably be pretty tired after he’s had a couple.

          Oh, wait. You meant a couple of drinks.

          Nevermind.

        2. The American Boris Yeltsin. Of course, Biden only does a half-assed job of that, too.

      2. I believe they are going to use the Chris Matthews leg test.

      3. Fauxchahontas.

  9. I remember how everybody went nuts over Sarah Palin’s emails.

    1. This is different, because… reasons, and things, and stuff.

  10. Hey, she paid a lot of money for that Hillary2008.com domain name, she wasn’t about to let it go to waste.

    1. Bizarrely, she registered clintonemail.com right around the time she became Secretary of State and used that. Hilarious.

  11. Many NYT commenters are jumping to her defense. Apparently, neither email security nor following the law matters if you’re among the elect.

    1. I like the NYT headline: Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email at State Dept., Possibly Breaking Rules

      Didn’t they mean “Laws?”

    2. “Apparently, neither email security nor following the law matters if you’re among the elect.”

      See Kennedy, Ted.
      Murder doesn’t matter to lefties.

      1. Take it easy on the guy, he had a brain toomur.

        1. It’s not a tum….oh, wait….

          Never mind.

          1. Dude’s not exactly drowning in sympathy around here.

      2. Wait a minute, does anyone actually think Chappaquiddick was murder?

        1. Negligent homicide. But maybe they didn’t have that concept back then.

          1. Negligent homicide is when you don’t leave the girl to drown in the car over the course of four hours so you don’t have to admit you were driving drunk and planning to cheat on your wife.

            Chappaquiddick was murder.

            1. Negligent homicide is when you don’t leave the girl to drown in the car.

              She suffocated. Even worse.

              Never forget this timeless encomium: If she had lived, Mary Jo Kopechne would be 62 years old. Through his tireless work as a legislator, Edward Kennedy would have brought comfort to her in her old age. Charles Pierce, Boston Globe, January 05, 2003.

        2. Kahlua Akbar|3.2.15 @ 11:26PM|#
          “Wait a minute, does anyone actually think Chappaquiddick was murder?”

          Oh, look! Tulpa has a pedant moment! Surprise!
          Get lost.

        3. He was likely wasted. I’m pretty sure that makes it manslaughter, doesn’t it?

          And, he also handled it in the worst possible way. His handling of it was likely criminal in some way.

          1. I believe it was established that if he had gotten help right away instead of waiting nine hours until he’d sobered up, they could have rescued Mary Jo Kopechne, who took 2-4 hours to suffocate in the car.

            1. Yup. He went back to the hotel, went to sleep, woke up to complain about the noise from a party, went back to sleep, called the cops in the morning.

              The girl took four hours to drown in a place the cops could have reached in a fraction of that time.

        4. You can say what you want about Ted Kennedy, but you can’t cal that CHAP A QUITTER.

          Good pun, huh? Thanks to Bill Pack.

        5. “Wait a minute, does anyone actually think Chappaquiddick was murder?”

          No of course not, he was a Kennedy. At worst it was a unfortunate event resulting in the tragic loss of a valuable sports car and some miscellaneous collateral damage.

      3. Chapaddaquick (sp) was n’t the actual worst action uncle Ted undertook.

        He once sent an envoys to Moscow to trade secret Government info to the Soviets that they needed to outmanouver and defeat President Reagan’s foreign policy in return for promises to make him look good and help him win the 1988 Presidential elections.

        Here are 342,ooo links proving that statement true.

        Treason anyone ?

        Democrats yawned when it became public. This may be the Democrat

      4. Uncle Ted had an even more evil move in him.

        He once sent an envoy to Moscow trying to trade top secret Gov. info to the Soviets that they needed to outmavouver and defeat Regan’s foreign policy moves in trade for their help in making him look good in his when he ran for President in 1988. When the news of this treasonous act came to light Democrats yawned. It might have been the first ever “FAKE SCANDAL”.

        Here are 342,000 links to prove it true.

        http://goo.gl/QxrULP

    3. Hold on there. The NYTimes commentators and the Daily Custards are calling for her head. This could be a thing.

  12. At what point do some establishment dems start to walk away from this train wreck of a candidate? It’s bad enough that she’s a horrible person that has enormous difficulty hiding her hideous nature, but the baggage, the narcissism, the lies, the elitism…. it’s bordering on unbelievable. Part of me prays that she gets the nomination just for the epic entertainment value. I can almost envision her stroking out from cunt-rage in the middle of the Democratic debates.

    1. Who else do they have? They have no choice but to hold on to her.

      1. You know the left flank of the party would positively wet themselves if Warren threw down.

      2. It’s a sad state of affairs when Elizabeth Warren is a better choice for the Democrats.

      3. It’ll probably be somebody from one of the states that seceded. Except for Kennedy & Obama, see who the Democrats have gotten elected president lately: Truman, Johnson, Carter, Clinton.

      4. The mayor of San Antonio is a Hispanic communist Liberal democrat. He was also raised by a communist activist Mother with the desire to return Southweten USA to Mexico.

        He would be perfect for them to follow Obama with.

    2. Part of me prays that she gets the nomination just for the epic entertainment value.

      This. After about the ten-thousandth time she gets slapped with “WDATPDIM?” she might decide to spend more time with her family before even being elected.

      1. But she’s been slapped with this kind of thing for 25 years!

        You guys aren’t gonna believe this, but those FBI files on our political enemies that everyone’s been looking for? Somehow they turned up in my desk!

        WDATPDIM!

        Hey, you guys wanna hear a funny story? Well, I put together this real estate deal, and we financed it with taxpayer money that was supposed to bail out the widows and orphans that lost their life saving in Madison Guaranty. Crazy people thought S&Ls; were backed by FDIC!

        Anyway, we diverted that money into my husband’s campaign fund–and guess what? Every partner in the deal ended up going to prison except for me and Bill! Isn’t that hilarious?!

        Al said there was no contolling legal authority, and Bill said it depends on what the meaning of “is” is–but WDATPDIM?

        She doesn’t know when to quit.

    3. She would still probably beat Jeb Bush.

      Might have to stick my head in an oven if that matchup comes to fruition.

      1. “She would still probably beat Jeb Bush.”

        So Democrats would vote for no matter how many apparent crimes she’s committed?

        Jeb Bush might not have a stellar record, but he come’s no where close to the level of shady situations that Hillary Clinton has been deeply involved in.

    4. You just made the invite list.

      Email Jesse (the secretary of partying down!) your details.

      We are looking at something for late March.

      1. Party Czar!

      2. Email Jesse your details.

        It’s a trap!

    5. SoCal Deathmarch|3.2.15 @ 10:06PM|#
      “At what point do some establishment dems start to walk away from this train wreck of a candidate?”

      Not sure about ‘establishment dems’, but hearing the crap that passes for comment in the PR of SF, it won’t matter: These are ‘minor issues’; it’s time for a ‘woman president’. She’s ‘electable, as much as I’d prefer Warren’.
      However, in perhaps what might be the first hole in the dike (sorry!), a Chron columnist made reference to the arrival of “Clinton, Inc” when she was in town to whine about the ‘plight of the wymenz!’ (and no one seemed to notice the irony).

  13. Just checked SF Gate; the e-version of the SF lefty rag. Not a word about Shrillery.
    I’ll check the dead-tree version tomorrow morning; I’m guessing page 6, below the fold.

    1. So you admit that you’re a subscriber.

      1. My client admits nothing. If you have any evidence, charge him. If not we’re walking.

        1. See below. You’re fired.

      2. Uh, you mean the dead-tree version? You bet! I’ve been spilling coffee on that rag for years.

          1. I’m reminded of when the coffee company was going to offer free coffee and $10,000 to Kramer, and as soon as he heard “free coffee” he jumped up and said, “deal!”

        1. If you have a WSJ subscription, I’ll let you off with a warning.

          1. I gave up the paper wally since the e-version is so good. The e-chron sucks; really bad web site.
            And sorry Warren. I been referencing it here for years. What better way to keep the coffee off the table? And get Dilbert?

              1. Coffee’s for closers

                1. Coffee’s for closers

                  Fixed that for ya.

  14. “The State Department is now walking back a claim that it OK’d foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was Secretary of State.”

    LO friggin’ L.

    She’s gonna make Bubba look like a saint.

    1. Hillary is the scary one. She wants power.

      Bubba just wants to be famous, adored, and get laid.

      1. The other difference is that when Bill felt like governong, he was actually fairly competent at it.

        Hillary, on the other hand, has done nothing but fuck up in every job she’s had.

        1. “Hillary, on the other hand, has done nothing but fuck up in every job she’s had.”

          Yep, reference the Peter Principle.

  15. You guys! Stop it!

    IT’S HER TURN.

    1. And then in a few years it will be Chelsea’s turn.

      1. What, is her husband chopped liver?

    2. She can wait until she’s in her grave to start turning.

    3. I’ll gladly give her her turn on the gallows.

  16. An explosive report from The New York Times reveals that while she was Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton did not have a government e-mail address. Instead she used her own private e-mail address and her staffers made no effort at the time to retain those e-mails on government servers, a violation of federal law.

    Oh how many times I had to explain to Doctors, very slowly and using very small words that no, you can’t use your GMail account to conduct hospital business.

    1. Using personal email for government business, while it may be against the law, is relatively popular among government officials who don’t fear repercussions from breaking government laws.

      It’s relatively popular everywhere– popular as in a desire to do it.

  17. I’m pretty sure the Democrats have to do some monumental voter fraud to win the next presidency. An old bag is seriously their frontrunner.

    1. I’m as aroused as you are.

      Which is to say, not at all.

    2. Even the New York Times doesn’t like her.

    3. Nope. All they have to do is ring the pro-choice and gay marriage bells, and the Republican candidates will run themselves to death in the morality maze.

      1. Don’t forget the war against women. Republicans hate the womenz.

  18. I spent some time in the public sector (US Army) and almost everyone uses their personal email for unclassified information. AKO is a pain the in ass to use and even if there are a million laws that are broken no one ever enforces them.

    1. So, it’s just fine for the Sec of State to break the laws?

      1. “unclassified information”

        I’m guessing the U.S. Secretary of State handled emails that were classified.

    2. I never considered my military service (US Army) “public sector” work. You must be a f**king REMF.

      1. I was a supply clerk whose ship twice wandered into a combat zone, one time a few months before Congress told us so.

        Does that make me a REMF?

    3. I’m coming up on 20 years. Prior to the rollout of Army Knowledge Online this was true. In the past decade or so not so much.

    4. We don’t use AKO for email services anymore, but regardless if you’re at all transferring work or DOD related information you’re going to be using the enterprise system. The SoS deals with tons of sensitive/classified info, so not using a secure email service intended for mandatory use for oversight purposes is not only illegal but fucking stupid.

  19. “Breaking the law doesn’t come with the same consequences for government officials as it does for the rest of us.”

    May as well tell the whole truth and also point out that breaking the law doesn’t come with the same consequences for Democrat pols and it does for their GOP counterparts. A point that should concern all regardless of political affiliation since it obviously reaks of conspiracy and organized and organized criminal activity; not the kind of behavior anyone should want to see in government.

    1. Exactly… If this was Rand Paul, it would be front page on the NYT.

    2. There is often “no governing authority” when Dem pols break the law.

  20. 55,000 pages? Did she ever leave her computer, or were her staffers corresponding via her personal account?

    And the Democrats will have to actively hide Hillary from the public if she gets the nomination. The ancient Ron Paul may be a dithering blabbermouth, but at least he’s not trying to channel Ayn Rand’s personality with none of her intellectual appeal. You could pick fifty names at random from the phone book, and Hillary would always have the 51st most appealing political persona.

    1. When it comes to things outlandish the 55,000 pages pale in comparison to the fact her “advisers” are being allowed to determine which parts are revealed. At this point it’s without question a federal crime has been committed.

      1. Anthony Wiener is dancing around taunting Huma, “Now who’s the criminal fuckup?”

  21. Meanwhile, it’s revealed IRS officials originally selected a blind man to search Lois Lerner’s hard drive. Ha ha ha HAAAAA

  22. “Breaking the law doesn’t come with the same consequences for government officials as it does for the rest of us.”

    Rules are for the peasants, not their rulers.

  23. Wow, she hasn’t even announced yet, and already we have two new Clinton scandals. Not to mention The Adventures of Bill and the Billionaire on Sex Slave Island.

    i do not believe she is inevitable, as President or even as a candidate.

  24. …And if this was a story about Rand Paul it would be front page news on every news outlet.

    1. Really? Right now its the second story listed here at Reason, behind vampires.
      Right now its the second story listed on Huffington Post, behind Bibi.

      The New York Times broke it and you are complaining about it? Let me know when FOX or Reason breaks a similar story.

      1. So is that an admission that this is a Real Scandal? Since the NYT’s broke it?

        1. Wha?

    2. And right now its the third story listed on Reason (its slipping!) and the third story listed on NYTimes.com.

      How dare the New York Times!

  25. Ready for Hillary 2016! Because what difference, at this point, does it make?

  26. It makes plenty of difference and it was a huge mistake by her. Arrogance knows no boundaries, even when they are legal boundaries.

    1. There is a difference between a “mistake” and “intentional misconduct”. This is not a “mistake” – that would be sending one email thusly.

      1. I agree.

    2. The mistake was her thinking that she would get away with it.

      1. I’m glad she didn’t. It is outrageous.

  27. The only reason a government official would use private e-mail for official business is because you have to subpoena such records. Official government e-mail does not need to be subpoenaed to be reviewed. Hence, you can’t look at any of her correspondence without going through a lawyer and possibly a court first. Against federal law, but will she face any consequences? Doubtful. You or I do do such a thing if we were federal employees? Fines and jail for us.

  28. I don’t even use my personal email for my job. What the fuck is wrong with this country?

    Reason depresses me, but damn, we need it.

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  30. The under 40 vote will go for an overweight, old, nasty, white woman?

    I doubt it.

    1. Statistically, they don’t really vote, but yeah, most don’t realize how old she is and they don’t remember Bill’s presidency if they were even around. It’s depressing as hell.

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  34. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I hate Hillary Clinton.

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  37. The NSA should have the emails. So let the House subpoena them, and then we’ll see if Democrats still support having the NSA!

  38. Now that Clinton’s violation of Federal law is public we can expect an indictment to soon follow. BWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Couldnt keep a straight face. I tried.

  39. Might be time to start checking the bench, Dems. Just in case.

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