At Least 12 Killed After Gunmen Attack Satirical Newspaper in France in Likely Islamist Attack

France 24

At least 12 people were killed in an attack by masked gunmen on the satirical French newspaper Charlie Hebdo. The gunmen were reported to have been chanting "Allahu Akhbar" and the newspaper has received threats for its satirical depictions of Mohammed, considered a prophet by Muslims.

France 24 reports:

Gunmen have attacked French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo in Paris Wednesday, with officials reporting 12 fatalities – including two police officers. President François Hollande called it a 'terrorist attack'.

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Comments

[Old Man With Candy]

Impossible. They have common-sense gun control there.

[Fist of Etiquette]

They couldn't do what Henry Raymond did when he defended The New York Times with Gatling guns?

[Monty Crisco]

That is fucking amazing. Guess the gray lady aint gonna publicize that...

[VicRattlehead]

^^^this^^^^ all of the this

[Drake]

And diversity programs.

[antisocial-ist]

Were the no guns allowed signs written in Arabic? The sign loses its magic when confronted by illiteracy.

[Rich]

Good point.

However, I daresay an Arabic "No Guns" sign would be considered hate speech.

[Tonio]

You know it. About ten years ago our city park system added "no littering" signs in Spanish to supplement the existing English-language signage. The latino community got all pouty.

[R C Dean]

Not posting signs in foreign languages: RACIST, because it means you're one of those "English-only" bigots.

Posting signs in foreign languages: RACIST, because it means you assume they can't read English and prone to antisocial behavior.

[Weigel's Cock Ring]

IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!! Hurr durr derpity derp derp.

[Fist of Etiquette]

So the takeaway here is that radical Islam doesn't have a sense of humor?

[Swiss Servator, Winter...jetzt]

You know, after some time among people beset by those clods...I am starting to think you are right.

They do seem to react poorly.

[Heroic Mulatto]

"Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious." ? Ayatollah Khomeini

[Timon 19]

Sounds like Calvinism, really. Just swap a few words out.

[Marshal]

And a few executions.

[Mark22]

Calvinists were into executions. Christian Europe was extremely bloody, killing a large fraction of its population during the wars of the reformation. Muslim violence is child's play in comparison.

[Swiss Servator, Winter...jetzt]

I am sure ol' AK had heard the various Mulla Nasruddin jokes before...

http://www.otoons.com/joke&gam.....dOCC5.dpbs

[John C. Randolph]

Khomeini was a goat-fucking idiot.

-jcr

[JWatts]

You know those 72 Virgins ... well we never actually specified that they would be humans.

[Loki]

Don't tell them that, that make them even more likely to commit terrorist attacks if they know they're going to get some hawt goat poon in the afterlife.

[squibload]

When Christians push a button and slaughter 20 innocent Muslims at a wedding with a drone it barely makes news... and we expect Muslims to take it in stride and accept that it was just an oopsie, and get on with their lives minus a few family members and children.

But when Muslims shoot up a Western newspaper office and kill 20 people, by God it's time to put the hurt on a billion or so people who happen to pray to the same god.

[Redmanfms]

When Christians push a button and slaughter 20 innocent Muslims at a wedding with a drone it barely makes news... and we expect Muslims to take it in stride and accept that it was just an oopsie, and get on with their lives minus a few family members and children.

Assumes facts not entered into evidence.

But when Muslims shoot up a Western newspaper office and kill 20 people, by God it's time to put the hurt on a billion or so people who happen to pray to the same god.

I pray to no god.

The Christians I know dispute Allah being Jehovah.

[FUQ]

Although equally wrong one of these is not like the other.

[Tonio]

Pantsload, you're a time-wasting idiot. That newspaper shootup was clearly a revenge for the content the paper had published.

[Loki]

As wrong as blowing up weddings is, the jackoffs who shot up the paper were doing so out of butthurt over the paper's satire of Mohammed, not as part of some kind of fucked up revenge for ua blowing up weddings in Pakistan. Therefore your equivocation is a non-sequitor.

Also, how do you know that all dorne operators are Christian? They could be anything: Christian, Jewish, Atheist, Buddhist, Hindus, hell even Muslim themsleves. Freedon of religion and all that.

[R C Dean]

I keep seeing these claims made that various gatherings that get droned were "weddings" or "birthday parties".

And they may well be. But I wonder, according to who? Why should we take their word?

As ever when dealing with state-sponsored killing and/or the middle east, I just don't see anybody whose word I will take without corroboration.

[Jack Strawb]

Yeah, fuck research. Someone tell me what to think!

[Mark22]

But when Muslims shoot up a Western newspaper office and kill 20 people, by God it's time to put the hurt on a billion or so people who happen to pray to the same god.

Really? Where does the article say that?

As a libertarian, I just want our military to withdraw, both from the Middle East and Europe.

When Christians push a button ...

You just outed yourself as someone who views this as a religious war. I'm no Christian, and whatever my government does, it certainly isn't doing it for Christianity.

[Jack Strawb]

If you live in the States, a goodly number of your governmental representatives disagree with you.

[plusafdotcom]

Yes, and unfortunately...
Ignoring the current Presidebt, phone me when a Jew or Atheist (OMFG!) is elected to sit at the Big Desk in the Oval Office.

Mark22 (is that a Chapter:Verse reference?), it IS a 'religious war,' but only one side is bringing the war to everyone who's not in THEIR religion, and that side is NOT Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, or anything BUT 'you know which group.'

[DarrenM]

Perhaps a sense of humor has a genetic component.

[Timon 19]

Did it ever?

[Rich]

They sure have a "Prophet motive", though.

[Free Society]

Oh that is Rich.

[Paul.]

Poor timing for a joke.

[GILMORE]

should have been in french?

[squibload]

Does radical anything have a sense of humor?

[Paul.]

Radical libertarianism certainly does. In fact, it's a primary component.

[plusafdotcom]

http://www.plusaf.com/linkedin.....ne-gun.jpg

[Gordilocks]

Perhaps all of those weddings and other family events in Yemen and Pakistan could have been spared, and maybe some of those drones should have found there way into the suburbs around Paris.

This shit makes my blood boil. Cartoon drawing (or weddings in the wrong area) shouldn't be a death sentence.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

I blame the newspaper for not publishing a "trigger" warning.

[Tonio]

[stifles chuckle] Too soon, Res, too soon.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

I do need to work on my timing, the key to everything in life.

[Heroic Mulatto]

The martyrdom video made of the incident is gruesome in its banality

[Rich]

What did I just watch?

[Swiss Servator, Winter...jetzt]

the newspaper has received threats for its satirical depictions of Mohammed, considered a prophet by Muslims.

"a prophet"? Now Ed is going to be beheaded... he is considered THE Prophet.

[Timon 19]

Yeah, no kidding. Jesus is "considered a prophet".

Mo is THE Prophet.

Nick/Matt/whomever has the keys had better lock the doors to reason HQ.

[antisocial-ist]

I always assumed Reason HQ to be well armed and stocked with ammo.

[invisible furry hand]

Frankly, if my subscription funds aren't being spent in part on a decent arsenal then I'm cancelling it

[UnCivilServant]

"Well, the GAU-8 was too expensive and couldn't fit in the alcove behind the front door, so we had to settle for a Vulcan..."

[JWatts]

Well as long as they supplemented with a few command detonated claymores, that should be fine.

[FUQ]

Your funds are being spend on cocktail parties

[Tonio]

They also consider Abraham and Moses to be prophets, and Jesus as noted below. Not sure whether they refer to "The Prophet Abraham" or simply "Abraham".

HM, do you know?

[Timon 19]

When they refer to Jesus, it's usually "Isa", followed by "peace be upon him" similar to Mohammed. Sometimes a different form of that is used to distinguish.

[UnCivilServant]

Sooo... if these attackers are tied to ISIS, this would be an attack against a NATO member. Isn't there a treaty obligation in there?

[Swiss Servator, Winter...jetzt]

Heh, call the Turks and watch Erdogan squirm?

[Timon 19]

Erdogan is amazingly resistant to squirming. All he has to do is get AKP to organize an outdoor presser in Istanbul or Ankara to allow him to bloviate randomly and get half the country to stop paying attention to other things.

[Tonio]

Yeah, and no shame about building a Presidential Palace which puts even the old-time sultans to shame.

[Timon 19]

It's pretty amazing what he can get away with, though it's been pretty clear over the past few years that Kemalists and the youth are totally not cool with this shit. He gets by through pandering to the non-Kurdish Anatolian back-country.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

Please don't give them any ideas. A Syria Campaign Medal I really don't want.

[Swiss Servator, Winter...jetzt]

But it would probably look really cool...a silhouette of Damascus perhaps? They could sort of recycle the Afghan Campaign Medal ribbons, too.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

Ohhhhhhh, maybe we should attack, it would almost be worth it for such a cool piece of bling !!!

[Timon 19]

Considering France took an extended hiatus from NATO during the Cold War, maybe not?

[Tonio]

Yeah, but it's just like WW2. Those cheese-eating surrender monkeys created their own problem by demanding WW1 reparations, but if we'd have let Hitler have France we'd have been fucked.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Ay, but there's the rub. Like post-election Hamas, there will be po-faced denials concerning the quite obvious and explicit chain of responsibility.

And the whole damn thing will happen again in a different place. Over and over. Until Judgement Day Yawm ad-Din.

[Tonio]

Right, and the ongoing Western support for Israeli policy has nothing to do with radicalizing Muslims. Nothing.

[Old Man With Candy]

A petty border dispute over about 0.1% of the Middle East is an excuse, not a reason.

[Redmanfms]

Sure, it's an item on a pages long list of grievances, but how significant is it?

[Old Man With Candy]

It's not. It's just a useful propaganda tool. If Jews didn't exist, they would have to be invented.

[FuriousFatMan]

murdering 150k people to steal that .1% chunk of land.... yea, and causing 2 world wars in the process.....

yea, the jews are just boogie men that have nothing to do w/ anything.

*nods*

fucking shill.

-FFM

[R C Dean]

the ongoing Western support for Israeli policy

And here I thought all those UN resolutions were condemning Israel.

[GILMORE]

"Western support for Israeli policy "

What are you huffing about? The 'West' says naughty naughty to them all the time.

See, actually *changing things other countries do?* Usually requires force.

I'm sure you'll all for war with Israel over their territorial disputes, right?

[Tonio]

No, Gilmore, I'm not, and you should know that. I have consistently called here, many, many times over the years, for ending all US foreign aid to Israel (and pretty much everyone else, but them first because they are the #1 recipient of US govt aid) and disengagement from them in foreign policy.

And you really, really should know better Gilmore, that is if you are both intellectually honest and paying attention.

Everyone else: Please substitute "US" for "Western" in my post above. Typo.

[Azathoth!!]

So, how did western support for Israel cause those Islamic wars of conquest into Europe?

[invisible furry hand]

NATO members would have to determine it was an attack directed from abroad to trigger Art 5. That's what they did with 9/11, at least

[squibload]

We're already fighting ISIS, goofball.

[Matrix]

Nothing says "bravery" like going in and gunning down people unable to defend themselves.

[John Galt]

The Progs will eventually label it heroic bravery, as in they were "fighting back the only way they could given they don't have tanks and planes like the powerful French with all their ink and paper!" The shooters claimed they were merely "avenging the prophet" Bomb-Head.

[Free Society]

These people are oppressed! They are a product of their environment which is full of racism. To prevent further tragedy I'll need 90% of your check and all of your liberty.

[Tonio]

Already got that covered. I think Muslim Humiliation is the term of art.

[DarrenM]

Already got that covered. I think Muslim Humiliation is the term of art.

Speak of art, will we be seeing a "Piss Muhammed" in the Louvre (or anyplace else) any time soon?

[JWatts]

"as in they were "fighting back the only way they could given they don't have tanks and planes like the powerful French with all their ink and paper!" "

Wasn't that essentially squibload's point above.

[FUQ]

You found a point in his posts? I thought it was just random thoughts he spewed into this thread. They had little meaning.

[John Galt]

Like I said to my son; "Don't you draw pictures with that pencil. You trying to get us all murdered or something?"

[AlgerHiss]

The world puts up with "islam"....ALL of "islam"....at its peril.

[Free Society]

If you tried to emigrate somewhere and put on your forms that you're a neo-Nazi, they'd turn you away. But if you put down that you're a Muslim, the multicultural fetishists roll out the red carpet. I think it's only fair that if we are to discriminate against despicable ideologies, let's not forget about Muslims.

[squibload]

Rampant employment and other discrimination against Muslims is why European Muslims are so easy to radicalize compared to their American coreligionists.

[Free Society]

Muslims in Europe are easy to radicalize because there's about 5 shit tons more of them. Employment discrimination is fundamentally moral, every employer discriminates for all kinds of things and rightly so.

Not to say that your assertion that Muslims have it bad in Europe, is anything but invalid.

[squibload]

Employment discrimination is fundamentally moral

Wow, you are a reprobate. It's one thing to say that discrimination shouldn't be coercively prevented, but to say it's moral is a whole other ballgame.

[Free Society]

It is moral. Employers discriminate all the time. If they didn't, they'd be quickly out of business because they wouldn't be able to differentiate between value producers and value destroyers.

[Loki]

Employers discriminate all the time.

Yeah, can you believe it's 2015 and employers still discriminate against the stupid and incompetent! What a disgrace, don't they know that stupid fucktards have a right to a job too? /sarc

[FUQ]

EVERYONE discriminates in some form. Employers should be able to hire whomever they want for whatever reason they want. There is nothing inherently immoral about discriminating against someone.

[Free Society]

If you cut off someone's hand and then wouldn't hire them because they're one-handed, that might be immoral 'employment discrimination'. But I can't really think of any other form of discrimination that could be considered thus.

[FuriousFatMan]

you didnt even give an example of discrimination, you gave an example of a brutal assault.

apples & oranges.....

-FFM

[squibload]

Somebody was just telling me the other day that social conservatives have no desire to suppress Islam.

[Free Society]

Ideas, ideologies and cultures; none of those things are created equal or deserving of respect prima facie. Islam as far as ideas go, is a plague that humanity would benefit from it's sudden disappearance from the world.

[squibload]

But no Social Conservatives want to suppress Islam! I was told this in John and others' defense of the honor of SocioCons the other day.

[Free Society]

your point?

[Redmanfms]

He doesn't have one.

[DarrenM]

I'm sure some do. So?

[Tonio]

It's interesting how many people who believe that government cannot be reformed but must be abolished hold a conflicting belief about religion. For those of us in the civilized west, now is the time to finally abandon the superstitions from the childhood of our species. The problem is not bad religion vs good religion; the problem IS religion. Such systems always attract busybodies and control freaks, as does government.

[John Titor]

Ah, the people who think that 'abolishing' religion and 'abandoning the superstitions' that many people hold as their identity/purpose will ever happen. That's cute. Religion will shift and change with time, but it isn't going anywhere. Might as well ask people to abandon the concept of 'American' or the colour blue.

Sincerely, an atheist.

[Tonio]

Never said "abolish", Titor, that's the Tonio in your head talking.

I have a long record here (over a decade) and I challenge you to find anyplace I've ever called for abolishing religion or anything close to that.

[Loki]

While we're at it, maybe we can go ahead and completely re-make human nature into something better. A "New Man" perhaps.

[Tonio]

What I told Titor above, only moreso, Loki.

[SugarFree]

Are we sure the guns didn't just discharge themselves in a negligent manner?

[Drake]

They do if God Wills It.

[WTF]

That is why assault rifles are so dangerous, it's the malicious sentience of the things.

[John Galt]

Sentient beings are dangerous, maliciousness is in their nature.

[Tonio]

The thing that goes up in the rear! Nobody understands it, but it's super dangerous!!1!

[invisible furry hand]

Twelve fuck-you covers from Charlie Hebdo

[Rich]

Now you've done it, ifh -- The entire internet must be cleansed.

[John Galt]

The one of the naked girl running with the burka shoved in her ass-crack is mildly interesting. "oui au port de la burqua"? My French is bad, but it appears to say 'yes to the port of burka.' To which she replies: "to the ____" Anyone know what that word means? "int?rigur"?

[invisible furry hand]

The translations are on the right-hand side of the pictures. It says "Yes to wearing the burqa... on the inside"

[John Galt]

Merci beaucoup.

[John Galt]

Just noticed there's rough English translations in the upper right. "'Wear the Burqa ? on the Inside!'"

[JWatts]

So the editorialists are Liberal in the new Leftwing sense. IE They support the Ban on burka's, because Bans on behavior that the Leftwing doesn't like is just fine.

[GILMORE]

to get fraternit?, you needs have ?galit?

the first one no one cares about anymore.

[A Frayed Knot]

It's so precious to see journalists so outraged now that this has happened to them. Shit like this has been happening for years to the Jews of France and Europe more generally, and journalists (including Saint Greenwald of Snowden), especially those of the progressive bent, have been ignoring, justifying and excusing it. Well now those chickens have come home to roost. Enjoy the coq au sang, bitches.

[Rich]

coq au sang

Nice band name.

[John Galt]

They're just lucky the Muslims got to them first before the Christians decided to get payback for all those hurtful little man on a stick cartoons they were drawing. Every Prog knows it's the Christians that are responsible for 99.9999% of all the violence and murders throughout history!

[Tonio]

Pout all you want, JG, but the truth remains that religionists enable this sort of behavior however indirectly.

[JWatts]

By that logic the Atheists enabled Stalin and Mao's purges.

Your argument is a logical fallacy commonly referred to as a hasty generalization.

[dantheserene]

Your examples are meaningless to your attempted point since those regimes were full of religious fanatics. The only difference is that they worship their Leader rather than a more traditional deity.

[John Titor]

Atheists do tend to trend towards the state as a replacement for common religious attitudes. And I'm saying that as one.

Rather than promising paradise in the afterlife, utopia is just a few steps away, as long as we stay subservient to the state. I tend to see a lot of modern progressive concepts as just secular attempts at Judeo-Christian ethics, 'the meek shall inherit the earth' and all that. Nietzsche was right.

[Tonio]

Citation needed for that, Titor.

[Free Society]

Atheists do tend to trend towards the state as a replacement for common religious attitudes. And I'm saying that as one.

Leftist atheists or any of the communist bent, I don't consider to be atheists because of the point you just raised. They do worship a deity, the everlasting state and it's various prophets, a.k.a political leaders.

[John Titor]

So I take it that scientific consensus is entirely responsible for racism and eugenics as well? Guess it's time to 'abandon' it because it was used to justify shitty behaviour.

[Tonio]

Again, I can't be responsible for what the Tonio in your head tells you.

[Lord Humungus]

Saw this video of the shooting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVDkFi-WBTA#t=11

Man gets gunned down (AK47?) and then shot at close range. Sickening.

[John Galt]

When those people turn on the violence spigot they don't let silly concepts like conscience or moral judgement slow them down.

[Redmanfms]

Which is why you should keep a wary eye on your Muslim neighbors, if you are unlucky enough to have any. Muslims are not to be trusted.

[squibload]

You never know when they're going to kill their parent, steal a semiauto rifle, go to the nearest elementary school and start culling the kindergarteners.

Or go to a movie premiere and blow a bunch of random people away with a 12 gauge shotgun.

Or go to a supermarket where there's a US representative holding a town hall and shoot a bunch of children and oldsters.

Or take a boat to a children's summer camp with a rifle and cleanse the island of leftist kids.

Yep, watch the Muslims and you'll be totally safe.

[Redmanfms]

Yep, watch the Muslims and you'll be totally safe.

Didn't claim any such thing, but thanks for playing.

[squibload]

No, you claimed something equally specious: that random Muslims are likely to go on a shooting spree if you don't keep an eye on them.

[Redmanfms]

No, you claimed something equally specious: that random Muslims are likely to go on a shooting spree if you don't keep an eye on them.

Also didn't claim that, but thanks for playing.

[Free Society]

No, you claimed something equally specious: that random Muslims are likely to go on a shooting spree if you don't keep an eye on them.

He claimed that they should be watched carefully because they are trouble. The kind of trouble you would expect from people that are delusional in their devotion to a violently irrational superstition.

[FUQ]

He claimed that they should be watched carefully because they are trouble. The kind of trouble you would expect from people that are delusional in their devotion to a violently irrational superstition.

^^^ This can't be stated enough

[Loki]

Who tought you that Tu Quoque fallacies were a valid form of argument?

[Res ipsa loquitur]

DNC ????

[CE]

I've had plenty of Muslim neighbors and coworkers through the years. None of them ever bothered me in the slightest. The government robs me every two weeks though.

[squibload]

When those people turn on the violence spigot they don't let silly concepts like conscience or moral judgement slow them down.

"Those people"? That statement is true of a lot of people who wouldn't know Allah from Abba. It's not a Muslim-specific thing (and doesn't apply to the vast vast majority of Muslims).

[Free Society]

It's not a Muslim-specific thing (and doesn't apply to the vast vast majority of Muslims

Well that makes them less Islamic, not more moderate.

[DarrenM]

The problem is sorting out the sane from the insane.

[Warty]

They haven't even killed any of these primitive fucks yet? For fuck's sake.

[John Galt]

They can kill them by the boat loads and they just multiple faster than tribbles on the starship Enterprise so at the end of the day there's always a hundred times as many as they started with.

[Free Society]

Except now they're angry and pissing fatwas.

[John Galt]

Do not feed tribbles fatwas! There's nothing cute about huge masses of violently murderous hair balls.

[JWatts]

Well the Klingon's were able to deal with the Tribble conundrum.

"The Great Tribble Hunt was the nickname that Odo gave to the extermination of the tribble species by the Klingon Empire in the late 23rd century, due to the Klingons deciding that tribbles were an ecological menace. "

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wik.....ibble_Hunt

[straffinrun]

I'm tempted to open a gay bar in a Muslim area of London or Paris and name it "Osama Bin Felchin's". Free drinks at every call to prayer and you can use those mats as you please.

[Redmanfms]

The "moderate" Muslims would drag you out of your house and murder you and your family in broad daylight and nothing else would happen.

Do it in Deerborn, at least there you'd have a fighting chance.

[Free Society]

Moderate Muslims are a myth. Islam itself is not capable of moderation. In truth, a moderate Muslim is only as moderate as he is unIslamic.

[squibload]

Christians have killed a LOT more Muslims than the reverse. It's not even close.

I seem to recall a Muslim prophet saying something about the log in your own eye...

[Free Society]

I seem to recall a Muslim prophet saying something about the log in your own eye...

You reek of moderate Islam.

[Xiver]

Except that they haven't.

[squibload]

Please explain.

The US has killed more Muslims in the past 12 years than the Ottoman Empire killed Christians in its entire existence.

[Free Society]

You say a lot without offering any substance.

[Redmanfms]

The US has killed more Muslims in the past 12 years than the Ottoman Empire killed Christians in its entire existence.

Citation missing.

[radar]

Well, let's see - the Turks killed between 1 and 2 million Armenians in 1915, so that gives them a helluva head start. Give me some numbers for the past 12 years.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

Beat me too it. Such woeful ignorance of history from our me little proggie troll.

[Redmanfms]

Christians have killed a LOT more Muslims than the reverse. It's not even close.

Citation missing.

[squibload]

Suddenly you become a Cartesian skeptic after insinuating that Americans with Muslim neighbors are likely to be killed by them.

[Redmanfms]

Suddenly you become a Cartesian skeptic after insinuating that Americans with Muslim neighbors are likely to be killed by them.

Oh suddenly we're talking exclusively about Americans?

Still awaiting the citation.

[Free Society]

Oh suddenly we're talking exclusively about Americans?

Still awaiting the citation.

And social conservatives, he really wants us to defend socon arguments or something.

[straffinrun]

Make an arguement for allah's sake. You're all over the place.

[R C Dean]

Christians have killed a LOT more Muslims than the reverse.

Could well be true. Needs some support though. And some definition. Are we going back to the Crusades and the various wars of Muslim expansion?

[John Titor]

Provide data to support that, because shockingly I think that the Arab conquests and later Ottoman attempted invasions of Europe tend to even it out.

[straffinrun]

But they claim Bin Laden doesn't represent true Islam, so I shouldn't have a problem, right?

[Tonio]

The religionists always pull that No True Scotsman thing.

[CE]

Even Scotland doesn't have True Scotsmen anymore. Or they would have voted the UK to the curb last year.

[Juice]

I live near a moderate muslim. He drinks beer, smokes weed, and owns dogs. But he WILL NOT touch pork. I don't get it.

[Tonio]

Also, a lot of the ethnic arabs in that area are from traditionally Christian families (as in, they were Christians back in Lebanon, or wherever). They moved here to escape persecution and Dhimmitude.

[Tonio]

See Amash, Justin. Although he's from Central Mich, not Wayne County (Dearborn, Detroit).

[american socialist]

Anybody know where I can pick up a subscription to this magazine? They seem right up my alley. I was thinking of screen printing a cartoon from their magazine that depicts jean-Marie Le pen and OBL circling each other with weapons while the National Front leader is saying "Dieu est Amour". Yes, indeed these guys are torn from the same cloth.

I see that the commentariat has returned to what we know in response to extremist violence-- gun control and xenophobia. Yes, I know, we haven't had any mass shootings in this country thanks to the fact that I can pick up an assault weapon on a lark at gun shows throughout the country. Thank God for the NRA that has spared us from the scourge of mass shootings in the USA. What would we do without them?

Have the right-wingers here that think extremist violence is a domain reserved exclusively for the Mooslems looked up the Wikipedia page of Anders Brevik-- Tea Party wannabe? I say the battle is between those of us who want to live in peace and others that want to build armaments and plant suicide bombers-- not a battle between people that believe in Muhammad and the rest of us.

[straffinrun]

You must've had a hard time with legos as a kid the way you mash unconnected things together. "Why won't this block stay stuck to this spatula. Xenophoblocks!"

[american socialist]

I'm just *commenting* on the attempts to construct ill-fitting Legos together-- not trying to build an argument out of them. The only arguments I'm making are ones that I would hope would be uncontroversial. First, we should support the right of satirists to employ satire in general and this magazine in particular. Second, extremist violence and the use of state violence on behalf of extremists should be condemned. That's all. It's the attempt to talk about gun control in the US in the wake of a mass shooting in France that I have an issue with. But yet, it's the first comment on this article here in the cray-cray Reason commentariat.

[DarrenM]

Any article will touch on several issues at least indirectly, though there is normally only one or two main topics. You notice gun control has not come up much, yet this is what you focus on. You are just as 'guilty' as others of not commenting on the main topic of the article.

[Free Society]

A litany of injustices, aggressive violence and oppression come prepackaged with a "belief in Muhammed". But yeah they totally don't have any fight to pick with anyone...

[FUQ]

Peak derp has finally arrived

[Tonio]

It can always get worse.

[straffinrun]

Not much.

[deepspeed]

Complains about gun control comments, then proceeds to set up an army of straw men regarding gun control. Sounds about right.

[Gleep Glop]

Workplace violence....move along, nothing to see, etc.

[Ranter]

To see this come on the heels of the tone-deaf, ignorant bullshit editorial over at Slate that slams anti-immigrant demonstrations in Germany is just rich, sad irony.

I realize this is just a small event and unlikely to signal the end of the world BUT, it sorta calls into focus the uncomfortable reality of allowing violent religious fanatics into your country who disregard civil laws and refuse to assimilate.

[JWatts]

"To see this come on the heels of the tone-deaf, ignorant bullshit editorial over at Slate that slams anti-immigrant demonstrations in Germany is just rich, sad irony."

I suspect you'll be seeing an editorial on Slate or some other Left leaning publication blaming the attack on the anti-immigrant demonstrations in Germany in the near future.

[american socialist]

You see what I mean staffinrun. This police state bullshit is being peddled by libertarians? You guys have sunk pretty low.

[Free Society]

The burden of proof is on the guy saying we don't have a police state. Since we already know about the the vast regulatory bureaucracy, NSA, the war on drugs, the war on terror and the largest pr optional prison population in the world. To say it's not a police state is a joke until you show some evidence as to why not.

[GILMORE]

"On the evening of July 9, a U.S. Park Police SWAT team raided Kokesh's house in Herndon,Virginia, executing a search warrant for the shotgun and raw footage from the July 4 video. With helicopters providing air support, officers knocked then kicked in the door and lobbed a flash grenade in the foyer, filling the house with smoke. Masked police clad in body armor stormed in and handcuffed Kokesh and his housemates, who alleged mistreatment during the raid and the ensuing five-hour search, which allegedly turned up the shotgun and Psilocybin mushrooms. Kokesh was charged with possession of Schedule I or II drugs and possession of a gun with Schedule I or II drugs, both felonies."

The crime they were 'investigating'?

He posted a YouTube video where he had a gun.

[american socialist]

I remember this video. He was trying to get a million people to march on Washington with unconcealed weapons. I'm for the right of people to carry a weapon, but somehow I wouldn't be into going to that protest.

When I saw it-- before he got arrested and after I dismissively scoffed-- I sent him a message saying that I hoped that the SWAT team would kick him in the balls just so he could feel like he was living in Amerika and just so he could post it on Instagram to his friends-- also living in fascist Amerika. So it's kind of a win for him-- don't you think. I thought the point of civil disobedience was to commit an act of disobedience, get arrested, and then bitch about it. Has he stopped complaining about it yet or no? I haven't kept up.

[Free Society]

sent him a message saying that I hoped that the SWAT team would kick him in the balls

You truly are a vile piece of shit.

[BioBehavioral_View]

Courage Or Cowardice?

"Wherever the Mohammedans have had complete sway, wherever the Christians have been unable to resist them by the sword, Christianity has ultimately disappeared." - President Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)

The publishers and others at Charlie Hebdo have shown a courage lacking in most Western politicians, bureaucrats, and commentators. The editor, Charb, stated facts as they are; few others do. As for most French politicians, since Napoleon, while arrogance has been the hallmark of their foreign policy, white has been the color of their battle-flag.

"How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?"
"How many?"
"No one knows. It's never been done."

French politicians aside, how can we "infidels" deal most effectively with homicidal Mohammedans? By employing science with its guidelines of specificity, objectivity, and accountability to manage context and consequences (www.inescapableconsequences.com). Doing so, nevertheless, will require a courage and constancy few Westerners have shown ... at least publicly.

We "infidels" outside the Mohammedan world must deal with the obvious threats presented by it. Mohammedanism is a growing religion that's not going away. Its adherents have the courage of their convictions. Do we "infidels"? Come to think of it, what are our convictions, anyway?

[toolkien]

In 200-300 years it's going to be an Islamic world.

What am I supposed to worry about more - the Islamic world of 2225 or the corpora-fascists that haul off 50%+ of my labor and look people up for smoking a leaf - TODAY? It's those same corpora-fascists, that IF something like this happened today in USA - would try and sweep it under the rug as a work place incident and pat my head and tell me not to worry.

[Juice]

"Wherever the Mohammedans have had complete sway, wherever the Christians have been unable to resist them by the sword, Christianity has ultimately disappeared." - President Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)

Were these cartoonists and editors even Christians?

[toolkien]

Has our State Department issued a press release properly characterizing this as a simple work place incident?

[Peter]

At least the French have the courage to call this a Terrorist Attack.
Here in the US it would be called Workplace Violence.

[Mike M.]

A secondary attack outside Paris just possibly happened? Has this been confirmed?

[R C Dean]

And right on cue:

Based on what we know right now it does seem that's what we're confronting here. And this is an act of violence that we certainly do condemn, and if based on this investigation it turns out to be an act of terrorism, then we would condemn that in the strongest possible terms, too," said Earnest.

Sorry, linky no posty.

Although, to be fair, Obama did call it terrorism.

[MJGreen]

Jesus. A lot of you need a change of breeches.

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[CE]

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[Abe Froman]

How can a society tolerate a group that mandates the death of all who don't belong to that group? Is there any doubt that if Muslims gain political power in a country they will impose sharia law?

The killers who murdered the staff of the French newspaper are not terrorists. They didn't kill indiscriminately. They killed because of perceived slights to their prophet and religion.

Muslims have shown on numerous occasions they are not capable of living peacefully in a plural society that tolerates all
opinions.

A sovereign nation should be able to exclude anyone from emmigrating for any reason or no reason. Nations who value an open, tolerant, and free society should expel all Muslims.

[Juice]

Nations who value an open, tolerant, and free society should expel all Muslims.

Yes, we can't tolerate such intolerance.

[Free Society]

Well there's nothing wrong with that. I may believe killing people is wrong, but that doesn't mean I can only repel killers by means other than killing them. Sometimes, intolerance of the intolerant isn't as much of an oxymoron as it seems on the surface.

[Azathoth!!]

It sounds strange, but it's true.

One cannot live with a person who actively wants to kill them.

No matter how tolerant one is.

[Abe Froman]

Apparently you're willing to tolerate a group whose fundamental principles tell it to murder all other groups.

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[Westmiller]

The assertion that the assailants used "perfect French" makes me wonder whether this event was staged by ANTI-Muslim militants (perhaps even French Special Forces) to incite more constraints on Muslim residents.

In any case, there were only two men involved, who seemed to know exactly where to go and who to kill. That suggests insiders, with other motives than suppressing Muslim satire.

[Tonio]

Oh, look, a tinfoil wearing driveby poster.

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[jenniferjguglielmo]

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[AD-RtR/OS!]

The Onion is next!

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