Hollywood (and Its Lawyers) Terrified of North Korea, Amash on Cuba, European Court Calls Obesity a Disability: P.M. Links

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  • There aren't any witches out there threatening terrorism over "Into the Woods," you know.
    "The Interview"

    The White House said today it's treating the hacking of Sony Pictures as a "national security matter." It would not indicate who it believes to be behind the cyberattack or confirm any statements that North Korea is responsible. In the wake of the cancellation of The Interview, an upcoming film set in North Korea starring Steve Carrell has also been canceled. Also, Paramount has ordered movie theaters not to re-screen Team America: World Police in place of The Interview.

  • Libertarian Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) declared his support for thawing the relationship between the United States and Cuba, saying, "The power of free expression, free movement, and free markets is much more likely to advance Cuba toward freedom than the failed policy of isolation."
  • European courts have ruled that obesity can be considered a disability if it interferes with "a full and effective participation in professional life." The Simpsons already did that plot, guys.
  • Accused Boston bomber Dzokhar Tsarnaev made a short appearance in court today at a hearing that ended with the mother-in-law of a man killed by FBI agents investigating the case yelling in the court in Russian. She explained afterward she was declaring her support for Tsarnaev.
  • The American Civil Liberties Union is suing the school district that covers Ferguson, Missouri, claiming its "at large" (precinct-free) system keeps minorities from being represented.  
  • New York's attorney general has sent cease-and-desist letters to retailers, both online and mortar-and-brick, to get them to stop selling toy guns that look realistic.

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  1. Also, Paramount has ordered movie theaters not to re-screen Team America: World Police in place of The Interview.

    Useless.

    1. Hollywood is acting a little *too* scared of hollow NK threats. What if NK has info (emails etc) that would show Hollywood’s cooperation with the Feds in producing propaganda? Or something else that is sinister?

      That would explain why studios are terrified of little fat boy Kim Jong Un. Not trying o go full Alex Jones, but I’m just saying..

      1. I thought they already did. Weren’t there e-mails in the Sony hack that basically showed the State Department giving the thumbs up to The Interview for propaganda purposes?

      2. AFAIK, Sony is the only one to have been hacked. Sony does own Columbia and Tri-Star. Paramount is not a Sony property, so your suspicions are not unfounded.

        [Tears off sheet of tinfoil, passes roll to entropy_factor]

        1. hahaha just saying, it seems studios are terrified of a non-threat. We know Hollywood works with DC a lot. Not saying FEMA camps are coming or anything, just thinking that studios know there is serious damaging info out there and they are better off cowering to NK desires.

          I mean, please explain why else they would give a rat’s ass about showing movies here. You think NK is gonna nuke a theater in Lincoln, NE? Nah.

          1. The tinfoil thing at the end was a good humored joke, one that Swissy pulled on me a few days ago. That I took my own sheet first instead of just handing you the roll should have clued you in.

            But, yes, I agree that had it been just Sony it could be explained by the hacking, but that Paramount is jumping on the bandwagon adds fuel to the fires.

            Now, about those chemtrails…

        2. While Sony Pictures is based in the US, it’s still a subsidiary of a Japanese company. The Japanese have their own way of handling problems – Japan has problems with China and North Korea is China’s little ankle-biter. Maybe it wasn’t the Norks that hacked Sony, maybe Sony hacked Sony.

          China gets the film sabotaged, Japan sabotages the film in a way that makes sure China doesn’t leave any fingerprints, they both get to poke the stupid gweilo and what does Japan get out of the deal? I’m keeping an eye peeled for news that Japan and China have agreed to some sort of talks regarding the disputed islands in the South China Sea. That would be what Japan gets out of the deal.

      3. What if NK has info (emails etc) that would show Hollywood’s cooperation with the Feds in producing propaganda?

        The existence of the DOD Entertainment Liaison Office isn’t a secret, so I’m not sure why Sony would be disturbed by this.

    2. Hello.

      Hilary shouldn’t run. I always envisioned her into building Hilary’s Horrific Haunted House.

      I could just see it. The world’s largest, wooden construction face of Hilary; mouth wide open as people enter it unprepared for the journey they’re about to embark on.

      Would you pay?

      1. ^ this is an odd comment, someone check to see if Rufus got in to the Draino again

        1. Could be bad poultine. Thank God he has free* Canadian healthcare.

        2. I’m entitled to a non-Draino, non-sequitur.

          1. Is that in the Charter someplace?

            1. MY CHARTER.

              Maybe Reason should draw one up.

              1. I won’t sign your charter, nor be subject to it.

    3. OK, I’m confused, how does Paramount have that power? I thought as long as you paid the fee to the distributor or film warehouse or wherever you order it from, the studio had no say in the matter at all.

      1. Yeah, this seems kinda counter to how I thought the distribution process worked.

        1. You’re breakin their balls, Hetero. You’re breakin their balls!

          1. Maybe it’s a “if you want to stay in our good graces you won’t show it” deal.

            1. “Nice little theater ya got there….”

      2. It shouldn’t matter whether they have the power. They and the feds clearly know more than we do. As cultural superiors to both us and the movie theaters, we should acquiesce to their wishes and trust in their munificence.

      3. IANAEL, but my understanding is that the studio has that type of control. They want to be able to pull films at a moment’s notice.

      4. Copyright law. The owner of the copyright (Paramount) has the exclusive right to show the work publicly (public performance). They can license this right to others (the theaters). That’s the usual distribution method. I would imagine that the contracts covering such licenses favor Paramount pretty heavily. There must be a clause that they can revoke the right to show it for whatever reason.

        So, this is an issue of contract (where libertarians would generally say that just about anything goes). The copyright issue is a bigger sticking point.

        1. I think libertarians are still in favor of property.

    4. If Larry Flynt had made the movie, he would have stood his ground.

      1. Or at least not rolled away. *rimshot*

          1. Fun fact: I met Larry Flynt and his wife Althea in the ’70s, before he was shot, and nearly got a job with Hustler. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone other than Althea and immediately thought “Heroin addict!” Years later I found out I was right.

            1. Althea told me, ok, that’s fine

              1. Like you need some direction?

      2. Um, I think you Joe Bidened Flynt…

        Larry Flynt…would have stood his ground

        *looks at Flynt’s wheelchair*

        “God love ya, Larry…”

  2. Clinton doing what he does.

    Is Slick Willie up to his old tricks? Some Twitter comedians seem to think so.

    This picture above purports to be the former president standing next to the wife and daughter of New York City grocery magnate John Catsimatidis, the owner and CEO of Gristedes Foods, the largest grocery chain in Manhattan, along with other ventures.

    1. Clinton: Are those melons fresh?

      1. Heh.

        He looks like such a creep.

      2. those melons are silicon, non-edible.

        1. silicone not silicon

          1. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW WHAT SHE PUT IN HER TITS

          2. Super Conducting Boobs…nice

    2. Best comment: “Where’s his other hand?”

      1. You’ve got to be kidding me – Clinton would only be interested in her if she put on about 50 pounds.

        1. He’s not really a chubby-chaser, he’s an any-live-female chaser. http://www.ranker.com/list/bil…..ityhookups

    3. Is Slick Willie up to his old tricks?

      Looks to me like he’s got some fresh new tricks.

  3. European courts have ruled that obesity can be considered a disability if it interferes with “a full and effective participation in professional life.”

    “I got a movie for ya: A Fridge Too Far.”

    1. Tell me Michael Caine’s in it…

        1. Haven’t seen it but I thought he was great in Get Carter. If only he’d anonymously threatened the Stallone remake…

          1. I like Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. “Now Rupert, don’t make me get the genital cuff!”

            1. “Put the cork back on the fork”

              1. “May I go to the bathroom?”

                1. “Not mother?”

            2. “Now, what do we do when we have guests, Rupert?”

    2. Kim Jong Un never wanted to be Dear Leader. He just wanted to be a lardo on disability. He even washes himself with a rag on a stick.

  4. “The power of free expression, free movement, and free markets is much more likely to advance Cuba toward freedom than the failed policy of isolation.”

    Well it worked with Stalinist Russia.

    1. The idea that free-trade promotes democracy and peace is an article of faith for many Libertarians.

      1. And didn’t stop Germans from going to war with their biggest trading partners in 1914 and 1939.

        1. Germany in the 1930s and WW2 was an autarky who sought to gain control of resources rather than trade. They didn’t go to war with “trading partners”, they went to war with countries that had the materials Germany needed (namely, coal).

          1. I believe Germany has lots of brown coal. They wanted the liquid coal in the Caucasus.

          2. Yeah it had nothing to do with wanting “living space” for their superior Aryan race at all. Nothing to do with ideology, they just wanted coal.

            Is this the kinda of stupid shit they teach in school nowadays?

            1. no, I never said that. Please highlight where I said that. The grownups were talking about Nazi economic policy and their approach to foreign trade pre-WW2.

              Stop making this about you (or some victim group) and try to evaluate things objectively, cheers

              1. “Stop making this about you (or some victim group) and try to evaluate things objectively, cheers”

                What the fuck are you even talking about? How is world war 2 about me, or some victim group?

                1. Oh and you said Nazi Germany went to war over materials that it needs which is bullshit. Nazi Germany’s war was based entirely off the Nazi ideology. They wanted living space for their Aryan bloodline.

        2. So you’re denying the validity of free trade as a peacemaker based on a flawed reading of two poor examples. Sounds like the Winston I remember.

          1. Do you have any proof that free trade has been a peacemaker at all?

            1. we trade pretty heavily with Vietnam now, no new wars between our countries. So there’s that/

              1. We’re also not at war with hundreds of other countries. Neither is North Korea. Is it because North Korea has so much free trade?

                1. Neither is North Korea.

                  Technically, North Korea is still in a state of war with both South Korea and the United States. We’ve just had a really long cease-fire agreement.

                2. The Norks are actually at war with South Korea and the United States. There is a cessation of hostilities but the war never ended.

                  1. And so are we, but pedantics aside, not being at war with Vietnam as evidence of trade bringing peace is a stupid point because we are just as not at war with many places that don’t have free trade.

              2. Hey I spray troll repellant in my backyard, and I never see any trolls. It must be working, maybe I’ll sell you some.

            2. Am I supposed to show you non-factuals? Should I name the wars that didn’t happen? A logical proof is all that’s needed but historical examples abound. If I stand to gain more in the longterm by trading with you instead of plundering you, and I know this, I will trade with you. That applies to individuals and you can scale it all the way up to the 192+ states in the world whom are mostly peaceably co-existing in a state of anarchy vis a vis each other.

              1. Ah yes because humans have been such logical creatures throughout our history. Thats why Bin Laden chose to live in a cave, instead of any a palace getting a blowjob everyday from random hookers.

                It doesn’t matter how much I benefit from trading with you if I fucking hate you and want to see you dead, or to right some sort of past injustice, or to save face, or to spread my religion, or ideology, race, or any of the other countless reason people choose to fight and kill each other over.

                1. Ah yes because humans have been such logical creatures throughout our history.

                  So you don’t know what logical proof is, got it. Logical proof is what you and I use to analyze, not what actors necessarily use to interact in situ.

                  It doesn’t matter how much I benefit from trading with you if I fucking hate you and want to see you dead, or to right some sort of past injustice, or to save face, or to spread my religion, or ideology, race, or any of the other countless reason people choose to fight and kill each other over.

                  I don’t know of anyone that’s claiming that trade is the cure to all anti-social behavior. Maybe if you mischaracterize your opponents argument a little harder you’ll appear to be correct. Good luck.

                  1. “So you don’t know what logical proof is, got it. Logical proof is what you and I use to analyze, not what actors necessarily use to interact in situ.”

                    So you have no proof, no evidence, nothing to support your claims other then “Hey it’s in people’s best interest not to go to war with people they trade with, so more trade means less war.”

                    Well guess what war means killing, it means bombed out cities, it means economic destruction, yet those reasons haven’t been enough to prevent wars, why on earth do you think losing my supply of American blue jeans would any difference at all when the costs of war are already horrible enough?

                    Free trade has zero impact on peace.

              2. You could run a comparison of wars between free trading states, and non-free trading. If you get no noticeable difference than you should stop spreading a belief that “trade brings peace.” theres just as much evidence that Bigfoot exists.

            3. BM – free trade alone might not be the peacemaker for Cuba. But I thought Cuba jammed US TV and radio so their people don’t see what is going on here. Once they get a look at all the nice stuff they aren’t getting there will be a lot more dissatisfaction with the govt. That could inspire either a coup or reform. It can’t hurt.

      2. At least we have faith. The isolationist embargoists have to argue against 50 years of failed policy evidence.

        1. ONE MORE YEAR! I KNOW it will work. Just ONE MORE YEAR!

        2. And at least you admit that faith is all it is.

    2. Winston – it takes. Time. USSR DID eventually fall apart.

      Doesn’t happen over night. We’ve already wasted 50, 60 years. Isn’t three generations of Kennedys enough?

      Give Peace a Chance! Radio Free Cuba! Keep Hope ALIVE! KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!

      1. Winston – it takes. Time. USSR DID eventually fall apart.

        58 years later. And it took Stalin to die to end Stalinism.

        1. Yep. And it’s been 50, 60 years with Cuba. Maybe it’s time, Winston.

          Course, we can just keep being retarded and letting the South Florida Mafia run US foreign policy re: Cuba. That’s been SUPER successful. Absolutely brought them to their knees.

          1. So wait a sec so taking 50 60 years of free trade to bring down Stalin is proof that it works, but taking 50 60 years for an embargo to bring down Castro is somehow proof that it isn’t working it.

            I don’t think you can have it both ways.

            1. These same comments were made during the normalization with China and Vietnam. There doesn’t seem to be some great calamity to have come from that.

              1. I don’t know about Vietnam but China’s liberalization more has to do with Mao dying and his successors pushing through reforms rather Nixon establishing relations with China.

        2. Castros are 80+. Free market reigns even if you don’t want it to. The people will open their eyes and realize their lives are unnecessarily shitty under communism. Let them get their hands on iPhones etc and see if they want to stay commies. Doubtful. Trade is a net benefit.

          1. Conservatives are spending a lot of time trying to understand his motives but in the grand scheme of things, as you point out, it won’t matter. I bet even Obama himself doesn’t get this part.

            1. Yeah, I think it’s just Obama being a leftist. He doesn’t really care about liberty for Cubans.

          2. This could be true, but there’s no evidence. Other places that were opened didn’t have a revolution.

        3. Well, who do you think was gonna stop Stalin? Stalin?

          Hey, hang on. Stalin Stopping Stalin. That would have made for a great introspective faux-documentary.

          “Part of me knows this is not right. But…it’s…bigger than me. This lust…lust for power, murder and hair gel. I feel like…TWO-FACE sometimes.”

          /cue sad music.

          1. A few years ago I read a really excellent book called Stalin: Court of the Red Tsar. He really was a bit like Two-Face at times, that Stalin was a role he created and unfortunately lived to the hilt.

            1. Didn’t know that.

              1. Stalin means “man of steel”. He was just a Georgian kid who got kicked out of a seminary, started reading Lenin and the rest is bloody, bloody history.

                1. He was just a Georgian kid who got kicked out of a seminary, started reading Lenin and the rest is bloody, bloody history.

                  What about shriek?

            2. I read that book too. That is a great book.

          2. Well, who do you think was gonna stop Stalin?

            Stalin vs. a hurricane, who would win? Hold on, before you answer, the name of the Hurricane is Hurricane Stalin.

            1. Well, not enough warm water in Siberia so the hurricane is going to fall apart pretty quickly. If the fight is in Cuba, though, I don’t think Stalin will win except by decision.

            2. +1 having another heart attack

    3. “The power of free expression, free movement, and free markets is much more likely to advance Cuba toward freedom than the failed policy of isolation.”

      I’m in favor of ending the Cuban embargo and believe that over a very long period of time, greater economic integration with the world economy will lead to political freedom in Cuba.

      Having said that, I also find the libertarian belief in the ‘magic’ of free trade to be an example of annoying wishful thinking.

      It is true that greater trade will inevitably lead to a wealthier Cuba. It’s also true that in the short to medium term that all of that increased wealth will be captured by the Castro regime, thereby strengthening it.

      Yes, the benefits will leak out and raise the standard of living for average Cubans from abject destitution to mere poverty, but at the cost of greater dependence on the regime. It is incredibly naive to believe that this increased wealth will lead to a Cuban Spring or any meaningful increase in liberty for the Cuban people.

      1. Those citing China as an example of increased trade leading to greater liberty should remember that Deng’s liberalization happened more than a decade before China’s meaningful participation in the global economy and that the political repression of Tianamen square was temporally closer to China’s emergence as a global player than Deng’s liberalization was to that repression.

        Another example is Saudi Arabia, which is the one of the most globally connected economies on earth, and also the most politically and culturally repressive ones

  5. The Simpsons already did that plot, guys.

    I don’t wanna look like a weirdo! I’ll just go with the muu muu.

  6. New York’s attorney general has sent cease-and-desist letters to retailers, both online and mortar-and-brick, to get them to stop selling toy guns that look realistic.

    What about Pop Tarts?

    1. Weapons of mass destruction. Not only can they look like weapons, but they cause obesity as well.

    2. The retailers should send Schneiderman a letter telling him to go fuck himself, but unfortunately he’s got overwhelming force on his side.

      1. The retailers should send Schneiderman a letter telling him to go fuck himself, but unfortunately he’s got overwhelming force on his side.

        IDK, what’s Schneiderman to do? From a Lego M4 to actual projectile launchers that, in no way, look real (e.g. Nerf) is he going to issue officers to chase down kids and toss mattresses looking for anything resembling a gun?

        I kinda hope he would; officers confiscating Nerf guns would probably be a boon for the libertarian cause.

        1. The NRA would probably cream its collective pants.

    3. Crosman corporation is located in New York. They should move

    4. Bloomberg is working on a plan to limit pop-tarts to one per foil pouch instead of 2, and 2 pouches per box. No one needs six pop tarts at once.

    5. “When toy guns are mistaken for real guns, there can be tragic consequences,” Schneiderman said in a statement. “New York State law is clear: retailers cannot put children and law enforcement at risk by selling toy guns that are virtually indistinguishable from the real thing.”

      That’s a nice equivalency there – kids playing with toy guns are at risk of being shot by cops, cops shooting kids playing with toy guns are in danger of being punished with a paid vacation. And I’m in danger of puking my guts out over this slimy fucker claiming cops and kids both are equally endangered by toy guns.

  7. Looks like Obama is stepping into the footsteps of his heroes FDR and Nixon in establishing relations with a Communist country.

    1. moron, free markets usually mean “free”. As in, trade with all who come. That includes people who pissed off your grandpappy in 1964. Get over it.

      1. What does that have to do with what a I said? Anyway, the embargo is yet to be repealed.

      2. Since when is anything having to do with Castro free? Do you honestly think that the only reason Cuba doesn’t have a free market is because of the embargo?

        If you want the right to trade with Castro, good for you. But don’t insult my intelligence by pretending doing that will bring a free market to Cuba.

        Just fucking stop it with that shit.

        1. I’d trade with just about anyone. Let a little sunlight and capitalism into Cuba, and see how long an 80 yr old Raul Castro is in power…

          1. Because being able to trade with every other nation on Earth isn’t good enough, it takes the magic of American made goods to bring freedom and capitalism.

            1. considering the close distance, and low transport costs, and connection to Cuban expats in FL…. there is serious money to be made from it.

              1. Serious money for who though? The average Cuban? or the Cuban government?

                Good ahead and lift the embargo, it would be nice to be able to buy some Cuban cigars legally, but let’s not pretend that it’s going to in anyway liberate the Cuban people.

                1. save this comment, see you in 10 years.

                  1. Is there some logical “heir” to the Castro Bros.? Could they keep the scheme going? I don’t see why they wouldn’t. So the embargo would still be accomplishing nothing. It’s time to give trade a chance.

                2. The quality of Cuban cigars has deteriorated significantly during the Castro years. You can now get much better from other islands.

                3. it would be nice to be able to buy some Cuban cigars legally

                  I have no doubt that cigars made on collective farms are da shit.

                  Literally.

  8. …the mother-in-law of a man killed by FBI agents investigating the case yelling in the court in Russian.

    I MUST BREAK YOU

    1. I hear she brought her pet bear on a leash yelling, “You buy it!”

    2. They murdered her son. That story stinks to high heaven. The guy is in custody and in an interrogation room and he was a threat warranting deadly force? Really?

      1. Didn’t you hear? The FBI cleared the FBI in wrongdoing there. In fact, they have a near perfect record.

      2. It’s the Fuck You That’s Why clause.

      3. What, you don’t think young Muslim males ever do anything stupidly violent and suicidal?

        1. Sure they do. But the vast majority don’t. And this guy was in custody and had been searched. So what could he have possible done to warrant shooting him?

          1. Remember what’s-her-name, the little biowarfare jihadi who grabbed a gun while being interrogated?

  9. 50 Killer Science Desktop Wallpapers

    The expanding mushroom cloud of the Castle Romeo test, the first explosion of a U.S.-made thermonuclear weapon, on March 27, 1954. The bomb went off on Bikini Atoll in the Pacific Ocean, a major nuclear testing site.

    The other pictures are kind of fun, too.

    1. But Godzilla escaped anyway.

      1. Gojira feeds on radiation, that just made him stronger.

    2. WHO HAS THEIR MONITOR TURNED PORTRAIT? Whoever does should be nuked.

      1. …from orbit.

      2. Smartphones, man. Get with the times.

        1. Actually I sometimes configure my dual screen workstation with one landscape and one portrait. BUT THAT’S FOR SPECIFIC THINGS I’M DOING AND I STILL RETAIN A NORMAL LANDSCAPE MONITOR IN THE MIX.

          1. So you’re just mostly a monster. I think we all knew that already.

  10. Just for the record: I’ve sent multiple offers to Sony to show “The Interview” at my house. Out in the yard – big screen, hot dogs, burgers, beers, Mountain Dew, the whole ‘murcan thing.

    I’ll let you know when they accept. You’re all invited.

    1. What kind of beer?

    2. Can I bring hookers?

      1. Will those hookers bring their own cocaine?

        1. God, please let the answer be “yes”….

          1. This could be a great hooker value-added perk: a thin cord around the waist with single serving baggies of cocaine to be torn open right there and snorted off her ass.

            Whoever comes up with the best name gets 70% of the profits.

            1. The Rip Cord.

            2. SnowPaks?

              (It IS in English, you stupid website.)

            3. Hocaine.

      2. Wait, I thought they were Call Girls or Escorts up until they are dead in a car trunk, at which point THEN they are hookers?

    3. Mountain Dew? Blech!

      Got any crab juice?

      1. Well, the hookers might have crabs, you could try to juice those…

    4. Surely they sent copies out to some award show or another.

      Why is puny movie not on internet?

  11. Everything You Need to Know About the SpaceX Reusable Rocket Launch

    On December 19, SpaceX will make its sixth flight with an unmanned cargo ship to the International Space Station. By now that flight is almost routine. What won’t be so routine is the revolutionary rocket tech Elon Musk plans to test this time.

    fta:

    It’s been a rough end to the year for private spaceflight, and SpaceX’s upcoming flight comes on the heels of two major failures. On October 28, SpaceX’s competitor for International Space Station cargo flights, Orbital Sciences Corporation, lost an Antares launch vehicle and Cygnus cargo ship in a spectacular explosion moments after liftoff from the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport on the Virginia coast. The preliminary investigation pinned the failure on a misbehaving turbopump in one of the rocket’s first-stage AJ26 engines ? engines which had been built for the Soviet Union’s failed moon rocket program and warehoused for decades.

    1. I hear the Russian engines saying, “I must break….”

      1. “…apart?”

        1. They were supposed to say, “….you.”

          @#$^%$# engines

  12. The notion that trade with Cuba will liberalize it is stupid. What you really need are reformist leaders who want to liberalize like in China and the USSR. Once the Castro brothers die then that can happen.

    1. Let’s give it a try. I think it will hasten things.

      Of course, given how the US has bludgeoned the Cubans into submission with what its done so far, and it’s working SO well, maybe we should just stay on course.

      Just ONE MORE Bay of Pigs and I think we’ll have ’em!

      1. IF the welfare of the Cuban people is such a consideration to US policy, why not just invade the place and end the Castro regime that way? If we are responsible for their welfare such that we must trade with them so that they can do better, why are we not obligated to free them now via military force?

        I am not advocating that of course. My point is that it sucks for the Cuban people to be living under Castro, but that is not our concern. And that should not be the driving factor in lifting the embargo.

        1. *flashing lights, sirens*

          Warning! John argument!

          Yes, I said “we’re responsible” for their welfare and “it’s a consideration”.

          Except I didn’t, John.

          So please STOP arguing with straw men.

          I just said “let’s try relations and trade”. That’s IT. Let’s try it.

          if it doesn’t work, we can always go back to our SUPER, ULTRA SUCCESSFUL present policies.

          1. I just said “let’s try relations and trade”.

            To do what? What are you trying to do with that other than make things better for the Cuban people?

            Is ending the embargo good for the US? If it is, fine end it. But don’t sell me the embargo because we must trade with Cuba because it would help the Cuban people.

            It is not a strawman argument or a John argument. It is me taking you at your work and taking your points seriously. If you don’t like that, too fucking bad. Forgive me for taking your points seriously.

            1. Is ending the embargo good for the US? If it is, fine end it.

              Well, John, there’s also the fact that no government anywhere can possibly possess the legitimate power to stop me from trading with the citizens of any other state.

              So ending the embargo makes our own trade policies vis-a-vis our own citizens a little less repugnant. So there’s always that.

              1. Well, John, there’s also the fact that no government anywhere can possibly possess the legitimate power to stop me from trading with the citizens of any other state.

                Yeah, except for the US government and every other one on earth.

                Don’t kid yourself here. We’re talking about an especially stringent version of limited and managed trade with Cuba.

          2. I love how whenever someone makes a point that makes an assumption or leads to a rational conclusion and that assumption or conclusion is point out, the response is always “that is a straw man, I didn’t mean that”. Well, yes you did. You just might not have realized it and now that you do, you might want to reconsider your position.

            That form of argument goes right over people’s heads. They never understand that the point is that if your argument taken to its logical conclusion gives absurd results, the argument is invalid. The point is not that you meant to argue the absurdities. It is in fact the opposite. It is to point them out to get you to reconsider your initial position.

            1. The conclusions you draw about someones argument are not someone’s argument. Thus you are often accosted with accusations of strawmen. Try to avoid debating non-factuals if you are so bothered by people calling you out for what you routinely do.

              1. Yes they are. They are the necessary conclusions that result for the argument. If their argument is valid, than these other things are also valid. That is a valid form of argument. The problem is that people don’t like that. They like to pretend that just becuase there are bad implications that go with their argument or bad assumptions necesssary to them, their argument isn’t invalid. And that is just not true.

                That is not a straw man. A straw man is mischaracterizing an argument. Examining the implications of and assumptions necessary for an argument is not mischaracterizing it.

                The problem is that people who yell straw man don’t know what the term means and use it as an all purpose way to scream “I didn’t mean that” when confronted with the rational implications of their position.

                Again, the point goes right over their heads and yours too apparently.

                1. They are the necessary conclusions that result for the argument.

                  Hardly. You draw conclusions that aren’t exactly universal, but you’ll call it universal and you think that alone gives you free reign to tell someone else what they just said.

                  If you and I disagree about the best way to cook a steak, you like it welldone and I like it rare, it’s more than a bit unfair to accuse me of being “pro-bacterial infection” because you believe that’s the consequence of my argument.

                  1. Yes free society, that is an example of a straw man. One does not follow the other. You are not pro bacterial infection.

                    You are however more willing to risk one than I am. If I said, you are more okay with risk, you could rightly say “I never said that” but my point would still be valid. And that is an example of what usually happens on here.

                    Again, “STRAWMAN” is nearly always “REASON Speak” for “I don’t like but don’t know how to refute it.”

                    1. Why are you always on about women, Stan?

                    2. If I said, you are more okay with risk, you could rightly say “I never said that” but my point would still be valid.

                      I’d prefer not to quibble with all the bullshit that spews from your keyboard but this is not accurate. Maybe the person you’re talking to is unaware of the increased risk of infection or maybe they’re equipped with knowledge to the contrary that you don’t possess (is that even possible!?!?).

                      A ‘strawman’ is reasonspeak for virtually any discussion had with John.

                    3. True,

                      Maybe the person is stupid. There is always that. But the fact remains they either are more okay with risk or they are unaware of the risk. Either point can be made even though, they didn’t say that.

                      A ‘strawman’ is reasonspeak for virtually any discussion had with John

                      Not true. I don’t win every argument and some people admit as much when I do. It is only reason speak for discussions with me that involve people who lose arguments and hate admitting it.

                    4. The bottom line is that all of the people who are on here saying that we should end the embargo because it will be good for the Cuban people need to explain why that is a valid concern of US policy and if it is, why more extreme measures, like invading, aren’t also justified.

              2. The conclusions you draw about someones argument are not someone’s argument. Thus you are often accosted with accusations of strawmen.

                If I can demonstrate that position B is a necessary and logical implication of position A, then the holder of position A can be said to either hold position B or to be intellectually dishonest.

                I’m not saying that John has established that in this case, but in general – yeah, it is possible for the conclusions I draw about your argument to be your argument.

          3. I think it’s funny that I guy who says “Hey just one more bay of pigs” and accuses others of having warboners, when nobody has advocated for anything even close to war, can sit here and accuse others of battling straw men.

        2. No John, obviously we need open borders because we are all humans with an obligation to support natural rights. But if people in other countries don’t have freedoms then we’re no longer obligated to accommodate their natural freedoms. Unless they want to come to our country and cross the border that should not exist because of freedom. Everyone has natural freedoms worth fighting for but only on the local real estate. This is convenient because then we never have to actually do anything.

          We need to lift the embargo to help the people that are slaves even though we won’t help the people. If we walked In there and took down the regime militarily then we would be warmongers and Imperialists. Because we would be undermining the people’s freedom to be slaves under Castro that we hope to undermine with trade.

          So undermining with free trade is totally different than undermining them militarily because we get cool stuff, and they don’t get anything. Where as military intervention is self serving because we don’t get cool stuff, and all they get is the end of a brutal dictator.

          1. You sum it up nicely Mark.

          2. Well done.

          3. No John, obviously we need open borders because we are all humans with an obligation to support natural rights.

            That’s an assertion, an a priori premise, not an argument.

            Which I reject uncategorically.

            I nor anyone else has any obligation to support any conception of natural rights.

            And beyond that, you are nicely illustrating John’s previous point that your premise can be used to justify everything up to and including preemptive war. In fact, it was, Bush the lesser argued exactly that premise as a justification for invading Saddam’s Iraq.

      2. You do know the Great Purge and the Cold War happened after the US recognized the USSR?

        1. yawn

          OK Warboner Child. Let’s nuke ’em!

          1. You seem to be mistaken. I’m not arguing to keep the embargo or not recognize Cuba but that establishing political and commercial relations is no panacea to ending dictatorship. Once the Castros die it might encourage their successors to liberalize, who knows

            1. OK – then we’re in violent agreement.

              Embargo lifted.

              /MasterBlaster

          2. I get it your deeply held article of faith about free trade was challenged so you now how to resort to name calling and insults.

        2. We sent billions of dollars of goods to the USSR during the war. It didn’t seem to make them less hostile or any less oppressive.

        3. What?? Impossible!! the United States traded with them.

          Next you’ll tell be Russia invaded Finland for completely non-economic reasons.

    2. let exchange happen. When Cubans see how much money Americans have to throw around in Cuba, they will rethink the communism thing. And the Castros are 80+ and unpopular…

    3. I was watching a few minutes of CNN Int’l during lunch, a Cuban exile said pretty much the same thing, that nothing will change until the Castros are dead, “maybe more”, which I think means other members of the regime, not just say, Oliver Cromwell-ing the two bros posthumously.

      1. Heads on pikes to be picked at by crows. That would be nice.

    4. Still no reason to impinge on the freedom of Americans to trade and travel where they please, especially when the stated reason hasn’t worked for 50 years.

      1. Still no reason to impinge on the freedom of Americans to trade and travel where they please

        Where did I say that?

    5. The notion that maintaining the embargo will do anything is stupid. It hasn’t worked for 50 years, why would it start now?

      1. Where did I say to maintain the embargo?

      2. It hasn’t worked for 50 years,

        I disagree with this assertion.

        The Castro regime as an exporter of violent revolution in the decades after their ascent to power, including a stint in the 1970s of having the largest expeditionary military force in the world, other than the US.

        The emargo impoverishing Cuba most likely did reduce the ability of the Castro regime to cause trouble in Latin America and Africa.

      3. It hasn’t worked for 50 years,

        I disagree with this assertion.

        The Castro regime as an exporter of violent revolution in the decades after their ascent to power, including a stint in the 1970s of having the largest expeditionary military force in the world, other than the US.

        The emargo impoverishing Cuba most likely did reduce the ability of the Castro regime to cause trouble in Latin America and Africa.

  13. In today’s news of the Stupid Party on the state level, the states of Nebraska and Oklahoma are suing Colorado to have Colorado’s legal marijuana law declared unconstitutional. http://www.denverpost.com/mari…..e=infinite

    1. “The Supreme Court will solve our problems!”

    2. States nobody wants to live in sue state that people want to live in.

      1. Film at 11.

  14. “[I] think it’s terrible we’ve come to this pass of such extreme mutual animus,” says professor who published an article about how she hates Republicans (because science!).

    http://www.nationalreview.com/…..rine-timpf

    1. It is scary how much that read like what the old Fascists and Marxists would say. Substitute “Jew” for “Republican” in that piece and “scientifically proven racial inferiority” for “psychology” and it reads like something out of Der Sturmer.

      And this is not some crazy woman at the laundry mat. This is the head of an academic department at a respected state university. It just sends a chill down your spine to think of it. These people are fucking nuts and are going to start killing people if they ever get the chance, which hopefully they won’t.

      1. Fortunately for us people like her believe in gun control, while people like us do not.

        1. The gun control that they believe in is them controlling all the guns.

          Makes killing their enemies less messy.

      2. “And this is not some crazy woman at the laundry mat. This is the head of an academic department at a respected state university.”

        Not just any academic department – department of communications.

        I feel like they should probably fire her because she doesn’t seem to be good at this ‘communicating’ job.

      3. It is scary how much that read like what the old Fascists and Marxists would say….This is the head of an academic department at a respected state university.

        Why are you surprised?

        1. No. Just always appalled.

    2. Yeah, that bitch is a real piece of work.

    3. HAHAHA. Go look at her actual article. They try to say that the original title was ‘Why can’t we all just get along?’ and that the title online was changed without her knowledge.

      Unfortunately, it contains sentences like this:

      “Why does this work? A series of studies has found that political conservatives tend toward certain psychological characteristics. What are they? Dogmatism, rigidity and intolerance? of ambiguity; a need to avoid uncertainty; support for authoritarianism; a heightened sense of threat from others; and a personal need for structure. How do these qualities influence political thinking?

      According to researchers, the two core dimensions of conservative thought are resistance to change and support for inequality. These, in turn, are core elements of social intolerance.”

      So her actual article basically says conservatives are scum who ‘science has shown’ hate everyone. But the title was wrong, so obviously we shouldn’t criticize her.

      1. I always thought an American conservative was an unusual alloy of Libertarianism mixed with Traditionalism.

      2. two core dimensions of conservative thought are resistance to change and support for inequality

        As if those two are obviously very bad, no good thoughts. You could turn it around and say that liberals value change for change’s sake and deny that individual talents and desires vary tremendously.

      3. IIRC, the study about conservatives being rigid was based on classifying Stalin and Castro as conservative.

        I remember being a left-wing teenager and thinking that conservatives were taking clear-cut moral issues and making them all complex and shit.

        And whether you agree with it or not, nobody can deny that conservative icon Frank Meyer’s view of secession was tolerant of ambiguity: To Meyer, prior to the Civil War the uncertainty over whether the states could secede or nullify served to keep the feds in check and prevent them from being too oppressive, and conversely stopped the states from going too far vis-a-vis the feds.

        Yes, he *embraced* uncertainty!

  15. Mars Rover Curiousity detects organic compounds on Mars. So, not actual evidence of life, but certainly justifies continuing exploration.

    Also, Curiousity observes huge, brief methane spike in martian atmosphere. Methane can be produced by either living organisms or geological processes.

    1. How come NASA won’t just come out and look for life? It’s always water, or methane, or some other thing related to life, but never life it’s self, not since the Viking missions anyways.

      And the results of the Viking missions were somewhat mixed. Seems pretty ridiculous that in all this time they never tried to follow up on that.

      1. They are looking for life, BM, it’s just that they haven’t found it yet. And they are very careful to not make premature announcements.

        1. But they never state they are looking for life. Why not just tweak the Viking experiments and try again?

          1. One of the goals of the NASA Mars Exploration Program is to determine whether life ever arose on Mars. [emp. mine]

            Every photo taken either from orbit or on the surface is a search for life. Given that live may have arisen there and gone extinct, they are actively looking for organic compounds which would indicate current or former life.

  16. I don’t like picking on BleedingHeartLibertarians, even if I find very little of use over there (save a few sane commenters), but sometimes it’s hard to ignore them. From the guy who argued for a libertarian state to license parents, it’s the argument that the state has the best claim to your inheritance.

    Now, I realize, of course, that we have a system such that people can decide, to some degree, what happens to the money they leave behind when they die. (By use of trusts and such.) The question remains: should they be able to? On my own view, if they should, it can’t be because of anything about them (the donors). They are dead and so, I would suggest, matter far less than the living (if they matter at all). … I suspect the weight of the arguments push toward answering the questions in the negative. That is, those who have managed to accumulate great wealth while alive should not be able to decide what happens it after they die. (With standard exceptions for sentimental goods, I suppose.)

    Read some of the comments and you’ll understand what Hayek meant by “constructivism.”

    1. Way to not prove that BHL are a bunch of progs in disguise.

    2. (With standard exceptions for sentimental goods, I suppose.)

      I’m very sentimental about suitcases full of cash.

    3. TracyW Andrew ? a day ago
      “What if we currently overvalue “work, thrift, delayed gratification, and the like”?”

      If that was the case then government debt rates would be an awful lot lower.

      That should put an end to all this nonsense.

      1. This guy’s an idiot:

        “People on their death beds, it’s frequently said, seem more likely to say they worked too hard, not too little.”

        Oh, well that settles that. If some people frequently say that third parties who might not even exist ‘seem more likely’ to say they worked too hard, then clearly we should all just work less.

        Smart take.

    4. Well that’s certainly an aggravating read. BHL aren’t libertarians from what I can tell. They’re certainly not rational.

  17. OK, I think Herc may have written a book:

    “The Understanding Economy”
    […]
    “Make Yourself Happen
    To be understood is a fundamental human need, and key to the Understanding Economy.
    Youniverse is an app that helps people understand their unique personality, so they can make the decisions that work best for them.”
    http://www.visualdna.com/the-u…..g-economy/

    I gave it a read, and I like to think I understand English, but now?

  18. New York’s attorney general has sent cease-and-desist letters to retailers, both online and mortar-and-brick, to get them to stop selling toy guns that look realistic.

    Under what law, you ask? Silly people. You don’t know how small you are.

  19. New theory about the Rolling Stone rape story: Jackie is HERC

    1. And now I see Sevo just mentioned HERC. Damn you.

      1. No reason Herc can’t be in many places; who has yet to plumb his many strengths?

    2. To me the craziest / scariest part of ‘Jackie’s’ obsession with Ryan was that she’d known him for only a month or so at that point.

  20. OK, what are the odds that the EU obesity rate takes big jump in the next year or two?

  21. Funny how all of these right thinking liberals who are sure trade is going to free Cuba and are lining up to vacation there, didn’t think trade and tourism was going to help South Africa.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aopKk56jM-I

    1. Yes, and probably the same people who cheered the return of Elian Gonzalez to the Cuban hell-hole but demanded Mexican kids be kept in the U.S. with their relatives instead of being sent home to Mom and Dad.

  22. Has this nutpunch made it here yet? N Kansas City School District takes away blind boy’s cane, gives him pool noodle instead.

    Eight-year-old Dakota Nafzinger attends Gracemor Elementary School. Rachel Nafzinger said school staff took away her son’s cane as punishment for bad behavior on the bus and then gave him a swimming pool noodle to use as a substitute.

    The school wouldn’t go on camera, but North Kansas City School District Spokeswoman Michelle Cronk confirmed taking away Dakota’s cane, calling it school property that was given to him when he enrolled. They said they took it away after he reportedly hit someone with it and wanted to prevent him from hurting himself or others.

    1. “The District has reviewed the situation. We regret that a mistake was made in making sure the student was in possession of his cane when he boarded the bus Monday evening.

      The District has apologized to the family and is working to rectify the situation.”

      Dakota mother said school officials actually made a surprise visit to their home Wednesday morning and returned the cane that was taken away from him.

      1. See how mistakes “get made,” while success is phrased in terms of “our people did such-and-such.”

    2. I don’t know. Just because the kid’s blind doesn’t mean he can’t be an asshole. What if he was using his cane to hit people? What is being blind a free pass to beat other kids with your cane?

      1. I agree, he could have been hitting people, in which case why not confiscate it for the bus ride and give him in-school suspension, counseling not to hit people, etc.? It just seems very zero-tolerance-y that there didn’t seem to be any investigation or anything like that (Was it an accident? Was he defending himself?). And the pool noodle substitute seemed like a dick thing to do.

      2. What gives the school the right to cease his personal property?

        I mean if the kids a threat to other kids he should be suspended or expelled. Stealing his stuff (cane or not) is utter bullshit.

    3. Why does the school have a pool noodle?

      1. It’s also a good question why they issued the cane in the first place. I didn’t catch that the first time I heard the story.

        1. I think special ed departments have a bunch of stuff like that. Kids are growing and they need to learn how to use different things.

      2. What’s a pool noodle?

        1. It’s a foam pipe insulator, except brightly colored and without the lengthwise split.

          You really should get out more, Eddie. They’ve been a thing since, like, forever.

          1. I haven’t touched water since I was baptized.

            (not really)

            1. Well, that explains the notoriety.

            2. I thought you were the sort who positively bathed in holy water Eddie. Really, you don’t anoint yourself when you enter your church? Thought for sure that you’d have one of these babies on your wall. I R disappoint.

  23. Seriously? The White House is actually that cowardly, that they go out of their way to get in on the pants-shitting over threats from the planet’s only 4th world country?

  24. From the supposed North Korean twitter feed:

    DPRK News Service @DPRK_News ? Dec 13
    Decadent America teaches children to demand “play-station” from imaginary fat man. DPRK youth receive rifle training from People’s Army.
    0 replies 472 retweets 157 favorites
    Reply Retweet472 Favorite157
    More

    You’ll shoot your eye out!

  25. From the ACLU story:

    African-Americans of voting age are a minority within the district, but black children make up 77% of the student body of the Ferguson-Florissant School District, the ACLU said. The seven-member school board has one black official.

    How is that possible? Are all the white people old and don’t have school-aged children? Or do they send them to private school?

    1. Both. And the white families are smaller and have more than one parent. A single black mother with four kids is one vote and four kids in school. A married white couple with two kids in private school is two voting age people and zero public school children.

    2. From the Michael Brown stuff, I remember seeing the median white in Ferguson was something like 20 years older than the median black.

    3. Younger blacks moving into town on Section 8 vouchers, lots of white moving out.

      Oh, and Big Lots is closing their store there. Nothing to do with the riots, they say.

      1. 5 years later…

        “A new report shows that food and consumer goods are hard to find in the predominantly African-American town of Ferguson, Mo. The area has been classified as a ‘food desert’ because of the shortage of food marts.”

        1. Just another effect of racism….

  26. Mr. Amash nailed it. The best way to undermine the Cuban government is to expose it’s people to Free Trade.

    1. Ending the embargo is not free trade. And they can trade with a lot of countries. that hasn’t made them more free.

      Free trade is a two way street. Buying things from Castro’s slave labor camps is not free trade.

      1. Considering that what Cuba has to sell is tobacco and sugar, why are so many nannyists so hot on trading with them anyway?

        1. And why were so many of them so hot on not trading with South Africa?

          They are hot on trading with Cuba because they like Castro or they view wanting to do it as some kind of a KULTURE war thing of sticking it to the other team.

        2. The progs I mean. The Libertarians just like trade and think it has magical powers.

          1. I don’t think trade has magical powers. I think trade improves the lives of people even if the country doesn’t liberalize.

            Chinese people are better off despite remaining under an autocracy. Cuba could develop along similar lines and it would be vastly better than what they have now.

            1. If you are so concerned about the people, why not just invade and free them? If that is the goal, why fuck around with this?

              And the trade isn’t going to make the people better off because all of the profit from it is going to go to the regime.

              By your logic, buying cotton from the old South helped the slaves who worked on the plantations.

              1. *If you are so concerned about the people, why not just invade and free them?*

                Killing people doesn’t do much for their freedom.

            2. What made China improve was that Mao died and his successors weren’t are crazy.

          2. It does.

            1. No it doesn’t. Freedom has magical powers. But trade with slave holders doesn’t do shit except make the slave holders richer.

              Did trade free the slaves in the South? Shouldn’t it have?

              1. Would an embargo have freed the slaves in the South?

      2. All Cuba really has to offer is beaches. The regime is desperate for cash, so it’ll open up more resorts, more Cubans will work at the resorts, more goods will come onto the black markets. I really do think this will help undermine the regime.

        1. Sugar.

        2. ^ Also this.

      3. The Black Market John. Once the Cuban population is exposed to a plethora, and the quality of foreign goods, they will question their establishment.

        Also if you have ever talked to, or worked with a Cuban Ex-Pat. The entire country is a slave labor camp.

        1. That is absurd. Plenty of European and Canadian tourists go to Cuba now. What do Canadians not sell goods? Do their goods and money not count?

          Yes, the entire country is a slave labor camp. Buying shit and giving money to the slavers is not going to help. You guys are fucking delusional.

          1. “delusional.”

            John. Your “Tony” is showing.

            1. “Buying shit and giving money to the slavers is not going to help.”

              It’s not about helping. It’s about foreign policy. It’s about undermining a hostile state.

              1. Undermining a hostile state for what purpose?

                Helping?

                1. Getting the Cubans to voluntarily help themselves. Converting a hostile state into a friendly one. Spreading economic freedom.

            2. No, John is absolutely right. Canada and Europe don’t sanction Cuba and it hasn’t made one fucking iota of difference.

              I still think trade relations should be normalized, because why punish Americans who might want to trade with Cuba, but the idea that AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM!!!111!! is somehow magically going to make Cuba more free when decades of open trade (and even exporting workers) with most of the rest of the world is fucking stupid.

              1. Uh, fucked that up.

                The idea that American trade is somehow going to magically make Cuba more free when decades of open trade with the rest of the world hasn’t is fucking stupid.

        2. The USSR was a giant slave labor camp while the US was trading with it.

  27. So what was the libertarian view on sanctions on South Africa? Did they, including, Reason oppose it at the time? I know Rothbard opposed them, whatever you can say about his sometimes dubious foreign policy views (the Soviets “libertarian foreign policy” for one) he did consistently oppose sanctions on any government including Chile.

    1. Reason opposed it and its opposition is now held out as evidence that its racist.

      So does liberal opposition to the embargo mean they hate Cubans?

    2. IIRC Reason was against sanctions at the time.

  28. What people forget is that the US established relations with the USSR in 1933. This didn’t stop Stalin at all.

  29. If only the Ukraine would have traded more with Russia they would still own the Crimea.

    1. “own”

      This is where your argument falls apart.

  30. Got to love some of the posters here. They would have bought tons of cotton from the slave states, and claimed they did it to support freedom.

    Buy more cotton products that will make the South rethink slavery!

    1. “Got to love some of the posters here. They would have bought tons of cotton from the slave states, and claimed they did it to support freedom.”

      No. It’s about selling needed goods to slaves, in order to undermine the slavers.

      1. Because those things are only analogous if you engage in olympic grade mental gymnastics.

  31. A convincing explanation of something that’s been puzzling us all.

    The idea of liberal strategists sitting down and choosing “a flagship case for the campaign against police brutality” is poppycock. Moloch ? the abstracted spirit of discoordination and flailing response to incentives ? will publicize whatever he feels like publicizing. And if they want viewers and ad money, the media will go along with him.

    Which means that it’s not a coincidence that the worst possible flagship case for fighting police brutality and racism is the flagship case that we in fact got. It’s not a coincidence that the worst possible flagship cases for believing rape victims are the ones that end up going viral. It’s not a coincidence that the only time we ever hear about factory farming is when somebody’s doing something that makes us almost sympathetic to it. It’s not coincidence, it’s not even happenstance, it’s enemy action. Under Moloch, activists are irresistably incentivized to dig their own graves. And the media is irresistably incentivized to help them.

    I recommend reading the whole thing. It’s long, but worth it.

    1. regarding this guy’s blog (this is the third thing of his i’ve read) =

      If he could make his fucking point in 2000 words, he’d be almost as smart as he thinks he is.

      That said, he’s still only half-right about 30% of what he’s talking about. Race relations are NOT at “historic lows”, just to pick a single thing he’s blindingly wrong about.

      Or,

      “Lost is the ability to agree on simple things like fighting factory farming or rape. Lost is the ability to even talk about the things we all want. Ending corporate welfare. Ungerrymandering political districts. Defrocking pedophile priests. Stopping prison rape. Punishing government corruption and waste. Feeding starving children. Simplifying the tax code.

      But also lost is our ability to treat each other with solidarity and respect.”

      No, not that either.

      in short = he’s confused “the internet” with “reality”

      he’s right about that 🙂

    1. And since you’re bolted to your seats and can’t move toward the front, you’re screwed!

      1. Government tries it’s hardest to get us all in the front row, but for some reason we keep ending up against the wall (pun intended)

      2. Government tries it’s hardest to get us all in the front row, but for some reason we keep ending up against the wall (pun intended)

        1. The Squirrels must love me, because they’re echoingmy sentiments exactly.

    2. YOU ALL MUST BE SEATED AT YOUR DESKS TO THROW THE CRUMPLED PAPER !!!!!!

      NO WALKING TO THE RECYCLING BIN IN ORDER TO PLACE IT IN !!!

  32. As to the ban on realistic non-guns, what do they do for theater props? Serious question. I know that for smokes they have to use non-tobacco cigars & cigarets, which are actually harsher on the throats of actors than tobacco ones would be.

  33. lol North Korea is Silly Korea!

    http://www.TheAnonBay.tk

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  35. End the U.S. embargo against Cuba, and thus relieve a bit of the oppression that U.S. Citizens suffer from their government.

  36. both europe and america don’t like North Korea .they think ree expression, free movement, and free markets are very important.

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