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The Silly Panic Over a Minority White Nation Update

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A headline in today's Examiner runs: "Census: Whites become 'minority' in 2044, Hispanic population twice blacks'." From the Examiner:

New population projections released by the U.S. Census Bureau show that whites will become a "minority" by 2044, replaced by a "majority" of minority groups, mostly blacks and Hispanics….

According to the analysis, the white will make up 49.7 percent of the country in 2044, minorities the rest. What's more, by 2060, whites will account for just 44 percent of the country.

First, so what? Second, what does it even mean?

A couple of years ago, I went through the exercise of calculating the percentage of the current American population descended from folks who were not regarded as being "white" when they immigrated back in the 19th and early 20th centuries. What sort of folks? Why the Italians, the Jews, the Irish, the Slavs, and the Greeks, along with native-born African-Americans. In my article, "The Silly Panic Over a Minority White Nation," I pointed out:

Shortly after the turn of the last century, many nativists feared that mass immigration was overwhelming the white "races" that had historically contributed the most to populating the nation. One of the most notable expressions of this racial anxiety was the classic 1922 anti-immigration screed by Saturday Evening Post correspondent Kenneth Roberts, Why Europe Leaves Home: A True Account of the Reasons which Cause Central Europeans to Overrun America. "The American nation was founded and developed by the Nordic race," asserted Roberts. "If a few more million members of the Alpine, Mediterranean and Semitic races are poured among us, the result must inevitably be a hybrid race of people as worthless and futile as the good-for-nothing mongrels of Central America and Southeastern Europe."

Instead of becoming worthless and good-for-nothing, the descendants of those immigrant hordes became, well, Americans. As evidence, I reported that by…

… adding up all of the "non-white" groups, one finds that they and their descendants now total 184 million out of 313 million citizens, constituting nearly 60 percent of the country's current population. But how can that be? After all, the Census Bureau notes, "In the 2010 Census, just over one-third of the U.S. population reported their race and ethnicity as something other than non-Hispanic white alone (i.e. "minority")." The answer to this conundrum is that Italians, Poles, Jews, and the Irish are now considered "white."

It is this fact that renders silly and nearly meaningless the pronouncement that "whites" will be a minority in this country by 2050. By 2050, just as the earlier waves of Irish, Italian, Jewish, and Polish immigrants were assimilated, so too will today's Hispanic immigrants and their descendants be. For all intents and purposes, Hispanics will become as "white" as Irish, Italians, Jews, and Poles.

So please just stop with the identity politics fearmongering already!

We should welcome pretty nearly anyone who has the gumption to get here. They are already showing the character of what it takes to be an American.

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  1. First, so what? Second, what does it even mean?

    It’s good to know I’m not the only one that doesn’t give a shit. I was starting to wonder if I’d become too apathetic.

    1. Seems that people who worry about this sort of thing, or say that you should worry about this sort of thing, are admitting that the system violates the rights of minorities.

  2. When will SJW’s stop writing about my minority privilege?

    1. I can only imagine the oppression and slavery Whites will experience on that day in 2044.

      1. My guess is that you’ll see a case of white flight like you’ve never seen before long before that happens.

  3. There are two categories of people: those who group people into two categories; and those who do not.

    1. Damn. I’m the first one.

      There’s me, and then there are my enemies.

      I am outnumbered by lots.

  4. After reading the linked article, it sounds like they’re just cackling at the keyboard muttering “SOON HONKEY! SOON I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE!”

  5. I, for one, welcome our new non white overlords.

  6. Ron,

    This is only true if Hispanics and whites continue to intermarry at high rates. That is a good bet but not a certain one. The fascist left at La Raza is doing all it can to try and prevent that from happening.

    1. The fascist left at La Raza is doing all it can to try and prevent that from happening.

      And failing as my new grandaughter can attest!

    2. J: If that is truly the goal, then La Raza is failing.

      1. That is the goal and it likely will fail Ron. But understand that is the goal, to make Hispanics the new black and make them a homogeneous oppressed minority.

        1. But understand that is the goal, to make Hispanics the new black and make them a homogeneous oppressed minority.

          But, as far as I know, blacks are the only group that’s racist towards mexicans.

          1. You clearly haven’t met anyone from Latin America who is not a Mexican.

            1. Oh yeah, latin american countries are racist as shit towards each other.

            2. Mexicans from different regions of Mexico.

    3. John, there’s no way La Raza is going to be able to stop people from banging the people they want to bang.

      Plus, right now a lot of Hispanics don’t speak the language particularly well. Their children and grand children are going to have a much better grasp of English. You’ll therefore see more interbreeding as language barriers and cultural differences erode.

      1. Their children and grand children are going to have a much better grasp of English

        Not if the bilingual education establishment has anything to say about it.

        I agree that assimilation is likely. But understand that in the past society demanded it. Today, there are powerful forces trying to prevent it. And that matters.

        1. Not if the bilingual education establishment has anything to say about it.

          *facepalm*

          1. I will cop to that being intentional. Screwing up the name is very appropriate when you consider the effects of the program.

            1. You think I go into my office and twirl my mustache while saying “I’m going to design pedagogical methods so that those spics will never learn English, muah-ha-ha!” Is that honestly what you think I do? As for the “effects of the program”, I get paid to consider it…and I can tell you that the research strongly and consistently shows that two-way immersive bilingual education are extremely effective (Krashen, a2005, b2005). Despite what you have remember from your AM talk radio grumbling.

              No offense, John, but don’t talk shit about something you have no clue about.

              1. I could believe you, or I could believe my lying eyes of the huge numbers of Hispanic parents who voted to ban it in California because they felt it was robbing their kids of an education.

                Maybe a good top man like you knows better than those parents. If so, good for you. I, however, will believe the parents. I will also believe the State Department and pretty much every other corporate entity that teaches its employees foreign language via immersion. Again, maybe they are wrong. it is possible. I just doubt it.

                1. I could believe you, or I could believe my lying eyes of the huge numbers of Hispanic parents who voted to ban it in California because they felt it was robbing their kids of an education.

                  Yep, and that school boards voted to have their schools teach intelligent design is ipso facto evidence that creationism is true.

                  I believe in school choice, and those parents have every right to choose how to educate their kids. That doesn’t change the fact that study after study has shown that kids in two-way bilingual immersion don’t outperform their ESL peers.

                  I will also believe the State Department and pretty much every other corporate entity that teaches its employees foreign language via immersion.

                  I can tell you that the research strongly and consistently shows that two-way immersive bilingual education are extremely effective

                  Do you actually read what other people write or do you just knee-jerk by instinct? You want to lecture me on DLI intensive language learning methodology? (A research interest of mine, actually) This should be delicious!

                  1. I believe in school choice, and those parents have every right to choose how to educate their kids. That doesn’t change the fact that study after study has shown that kids in two-way bilingual immersion don’t outperform their ESL peers.

                    You are correct that the parents could be just ignorant here. I find that unlikely. Who knows better how well a child is learning than their parents? And the Latino activist and media community loves bilingual education. Yet, the parents still rejected it. Are they all just secret Rush Limbaugh listeners? Or maybe they see that it doesn’t work in a way the activists don’t?

                    The fact that parents hate it, is pretty good evidence that the studies you site are flawed in some way and don’t reflect reality.

                    Your argument boils down to, you and other top education establishment men know better than parents. And I am sorry, given the education establishment’s track record, I don’t believe that. If you do know better than parents, it will be the first time.

                    1. Who knows better how well a child is learning than their parents? And the Latino activist and media community loves bilingual education. Yet, the parents still rejected it. Are they all just secret Rush Limbaugh listeners? Or maybe they see that it doesn’t work in a way the activists don’t?

                      The fact that parents hate it, is pretty good evidence that the studies you site are flawed in some way and don’t reflect reality.

                      Actually, in the 16 years since Prop 227 passage, attitudes have flipped, which is how Californian politicians had the political capital to roll back the bilingual education ban.

                      The fact that parents hate it, is pretty good evidence that the studies you site are flawed in some way and don’t reflect reality.

                      No. That’s not how empirical research works. Numbers don’t care about parents’ emotions.

                      Your argument boils down to, you and other top education establishment men know better than parents.

                      No, my argument boils down to the convergence of evidence gleaned from the data collected by numerous quantitative psychometric studies. Your argument boils down to sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting “la-la-la!”

                    2. No. That’s not how empirical research works. Numbers don’t care about parents’ emotions.

                      Of course it isn’t. But it is evidence that your research might not reflect reality. You say the research is good. I say, if it is, why do parents think differently? Sorry but “they are a bunch of ignorant Latins and I have “empirical research” doesn’t feed the bulldog here. That is just an appeal to authority. There is nothing to say your research is valid or reflects reality. It might. But if it does, you owe a better explanation for why parents still hate it than “they are just stupid and I am smart. Lots of social science research is junk. Sorry but you don’t get the benefit of the doubt over the parents. Why should you?

                      No, my argument boils down to the convergence of evidence gleaned from the data collected by numerous quantitative psychometric studies.

                      All of which assumes those studies are valid and can be pointed to as a more valid authority that the dumb parents on the ground. Why should I assume the validity of those studies other than “top men say they are valid”? Again, I am believing the parents over the education establishment. The “studies” in the 60s said whole word was better than phonics for learning reading. How did that work out?

                    3. Sorry but you don’t get the benefit of the doubt over the parents. Why should you?

                      John, your knee-jerk anti-intellectual populism is tiresome. A shockingly high number of parents believe vaccination causes autism and other diseases. Does that mean all the evidence of the benefits of vaccines is questionable? Someone once said “In God we trust, all others must bring data.” We’re not asking for the “benefit of the doubt”; we have the data. What you chose to do with it is your problem.

                    4. Why should I assume the validity of those studies other than “top men say they are valid”?

                      You shouldn’t. That’s why I helpfully posted links to some of it, of which you, as a critical reader, can judge the validity (external, internal, construct, conclusion, etc.) of each study. And if you need help in that the online resources by Trochim are excellent.

                      So, do the work, John. Read the studies, judge them by their validity, and if you find them to be invalid, explain why. That’s how scholarship works. And as scholars, we would be very interested in hearing your arguments, as that is how disciplinary knowledge is advanced. Again, as you pointed out, whole-word reading was proven to be incorrect. How was it proven? Through empirical research. You don’t get to use an epistemological tool and then claim that tool doesn’t work. And as an aside, research into the efficacy of bilingual ed. dates from around the same time as whole-word reading, and in that 50 year time-span, study after study has shown it is just as, or more effective than other language acquisition methods. Whole-language was barely able to make it past 15 years.

                    5. HM,

                      Our disagreement is about the entire field of education research. I am sorry but I think it is a cargo cult. I believe in school choice not just out of principle but out of the reality that parents almost always know better than education experts.

                      You have fifty years of research that says its great. I have fifty years of parents and students who say it sucks. Until I have a valid explanation for why the parents and students are wrong, i am not buying the research.

                    6. A shockingly high number of parents believe vaccination causes autism and other diseases

                      Of course not. But your “science” such at it is, is nothing like the science that is behind vaccines. If you could show me that it was, I would agree with you. The problem is that you haven’t and assume that it is just because God damn it, you are a top man and you say so.

                      Someone once said “In God we trust, all others must bring data.” We’re not asking for the “benefit of the doubt”; we have the data. What you chose to do with it is your problem.

                      Again, you are just appealing to authority and begging the question. Just because you say those studies are emprically valid and reflect reality doesn’t mean they do. Social science if rife with peer reviewed bullshit. Sorry but education is not the same as physics or medicine. Collective wisdom actually is valid in the field of education where it is not in the hard sciences. So empirical research shouldn’t get the same benefit of the doubt that in the social sciences that it does in the hard sciences, where it contradicts collective wisdom.

                    7. I’m done, John. When you sound like Ken Ham arguing for intelligent design, I’m out. I have no desire to bang my head against the wall of your presuppositional apologetics.

                    8. How can you compare this to intelligent design? We are not talking about the hard sciences here. I am sorry but we are not. That empirical research does not and should not carry the same weight as actual scientific research. Doesn’t mean it is necessarily invalid. It just means it isn’t necessarily so the way hard, repeatable scientific experimentation is.

                    9. And lastly HM,

                      Read this thread and look at the utter contempt you show for the very people you claim to want to help. Listen to yourself here

                      Yep, and that school boards voted to have their schools teach intelligent design is ipso facto evidence that creationism is true.

                      I believe in school choice, and those parents have every right to choose how to educate their kids. That doesn’t change the fact that study after study has shown that kids in two-way bilingual immersion don’t outperform their ESL peers.

                      Do you realize what an elitist asshole you sound like there? You sound just exactly like Jonathan Gruber on this subject. I know it is your field and I am sure you are good at it. But you seem to have completely forgotten that there could be any limitation to you and your peers’ knowledge or ability to dictate the proper methods to people you have never met and seem to hold in utter contempt.

                    10. Read this thread and look at the utter contempt you show for the very people you claim to want to help. … Do you realize what an elitist asshole you sound like there? You sound just exactly like Jonathan Gruber on this subject. I know it is your field and I am sure you are good at it. But you seem to have completely forgotten that there could be any limitation to you and your peers’ knowledge or ability to dictate the proper methods to people you have never met and seem to hold in utter contempt.

                      Go fuck yourself. You don’t know me. And disagreeing with your argumentum ad populum fallacy doesn’t make me an “elitist”. I’m not interested in dictating anything to anyone, and I defy you to show where I ever have. I have consistently argued that there should be no public schools for that precise reason. That is, if you agree with me, then you could send your kid to a school with that method; if you don’t, then you can send your kid to a school that you agree with. So I find your accusation to be widely off-base and distasteful. The irony being that you’re arguing just like a progressive: I disagree with you, therefore my motivations must be base and lack good faith. If there is a loud, argumentative asshole in this thread, it’s you.

                    11. HM,

                      I find you comparison of parents who object to bilingual education to parents who object to vaccines or demand their kids not be taught evolution offensive.

                      The education establishment shoved whole word learning down parents’ throats and left damn near two generations of kids illiterate as a result. Now you come telling me how the studies all say this works and you know better than the parents. I call bullshit. I am sorry. You likely don’t know better. This is not science and it is very unlikely to produce any better result than the collective wisdom of the parents themselves.

                    12. HM,

                      And since you have run away you won’t read this likely, but if you do, ask yourself. Why do you consider objecting to your research to be on the same level as objecting to vaccines and evolution? You really think your peer reviewed studies are that valid and the parents’ views that off base?

              2. HM try getting out of your ivory tower sometime.

                In the real world, bilingual education leaves alot of people functionally illiterate in both languages and innumerate too (although in fairness that’s more just crappy public education in general).

              3. I can tell you that the research strongly and consistently shows that two-way immersive bilingual education are extremely effective

                I believe you, but is that the curriculum that is being pushed these days?

                I honestly don’t know.

          2. Don’t mind John, HM. If he couldn’t freak out over La Raza and bilinigual education, what would he do? His pants aren’t going to wet themselves.

            1. It’s funny. On my desk, I have a copy of the latest issue of “Educational Researcher” that contains an article (Drake, 2014) entitled “The Effect of Community Linguistic Isolation on Language-Minority Student Achievement in High School”, which suggests that the more linguistically isolated the kid’s neighborhood (aka, a barrio where no one speaks English) the better the kid does in school as he or she is forced to translate for his or her parents, etc. more frequently, which leads to greater English language acquisition that leads to better scores on tests like the SAT.

              Quite ironic that it is possible those linguistic ghettos could be the engines that drive linguistic and cultural assimilation.

              1. Quite ironic that it is possible those linguistic ghettos could be the engines that drive linguistic and cultural assimilation.

                That may be true. But that would only mean the people who have worked so hard to create them fucked up and produced the opposite effect they were hoping for. It wouldn’t mean they didn’t try to obtain the opposite.

              2. It is also possible that what is being measured is degree of assimilation to already-existing domestic welfare cultures.

                That is to say:

                Are the “linguistic ghettos” putting more weight on children as translators and cultural intermediaries, leading to higher engagement with education OR

                Are the “linguistic ghettos” preserving immigrant attitudes RE: hard work and education to a greater degree than a neighborhood where a larger portion of the population would already be used to navigating the coterie of social services effectively and lack norms against seeking said assistance?

                1. That’s an excellent question, TIT. Drake suggests that it is both. If you’re really that interested, I can type out what Drake had to say.

                  1. I am interested, actually. Language acquisition and educational attainment is a subject of interest to me (obviously of personal interest as well, given that my wife and I are both non-native English speakers and have homeschooled our kids through most of their K-12 education).

                    1. Sure thing. For those who have access to Sage Journals, you can read the study here, if not you can still read the abstract.

                      In Drake’s discussion of his results, he writes

                      In hypothesizing about these attributes and their potential affect on LM student achievement, I developed a framework rooted in sociocultural theories of language acquisition and community cultural wealth – important theoretical traditions based in asset-based models of minority student achievement and LM language development (Villenas & Deyhle, 1999). These theories suggest that environments with high linguistic isolation allow for greater language participation with other novice speakers and more abundant opportunities to act as translators [cont.]

                    2. a process that strengthens linguistic skills and develops other core competencies, like audience awareness, cross-cultural awareness, metalinguistic awareness, and social maturity, among others. As such, these linguistic experiences can be viewed as a form of linguistic cultural capital. Other forms of community cultural capital, including familial, aspirational, navigational, and social (Yosso, 2005), have also been found to be associated with LM student achievement.

                    3. In employing this framework, I also highlight the need to consider the mechanisms that might operate for the benefit of LM students. That is, simply advocating for greater linguistic isolation in LM student communities is not the appropriate (or ethical) policy response. As mentioned previously, increasing minority student segregation often results in lower student achievement. Instead, this work highlights the need to more deeply explore the mechanisms at play in the most linguistically isolated U.S. communities – communities where LM test score gaps are reduced by 31% and 68^ in reading and math, respectively.

                    4. Blah, blah, blah … Such work would be an important next step in uncovering the interaction between home, community, and school environments and their relationship to LM student achievement. Blah, blah, blah … The framework developed above, highlighting work on the sociocultural framework of second-language acquisition and the linguistic capital, describes a variety of mechanisms that might contribute to this difference. Central to all these mechanisms is the assumption that community linguistic isolation represents community traits that go beyond linguistic characteristics. To the extent that they are correlated with specific individual, school, and community characteristics has been accounted for in the empirical estimation strategy.

                    5. [OK last paragraph spam]

                      Included among these are student generational status, language, and time in the US, family socioeconomic status and various school and community characteristics; including mobility, median household income, and percentage of residents with a bachelor’s degree or higher. Nonetheless, much of the process describe in the theoretical framework is unobservable. For example, student traits, like motivation, aspiration, or resilience* – traits often associated with achievement – could be disproportionately found among LM students residing in settings of high linguistic isolation.

                      * There’s your traditional immigrant work ethic, TIT.

                    6. Thanks, HM. That is interesting.

          3. Hey. I’m one of those “central European Nordic” descendants. But, I live in California. You know, the fabled land of Amazon women discovered by the early Spanish explorers who named every place in honor of a Saint AND in Spanish which is still the name.

            And, I wish I’d have been brought up bilingual. Even if that meant having a bilingual education establishment at the time.

            Two years of Latin in grade school, four years of Spanish in high school and married to a native born Portuguese who is bilingual and, I’m still mono-linguistical. 🙁

            I wish I had the gift of speaking two languages.

            You know how my wife learned Portuguese? You know how my mother learned German? You know how every bilingual person I know ended up that way? They spoke a “foreign tongue” at home with their families and English at school and out in public. They grew up speaking two languages!

            This is also the case in Quebec where, they’ve found that their insistence on French has resulted not in their isolation, but in their bilinguality.

            Shame on me for not being so practical.

            On the other hand, if I hear “push 1 for English or 2 for Spanish” one more time, I’m going to hurt somebody. 😉

            I work in government where stupid language requirements are an everyday hindrance to us getting anything done. Unless we publish it in four or five languages and hope that dialectic differences don’t come up.

            We want it all and we want it now. 🙂

        2. Listen to spanish language radio. Every third ad is for english training and framed as the path to opportunity and prosperity for you and your children.

          Apparently, the popular perception is that assimilation is the winning choice – whatever the “activists” say.

          1. This^ Also, as a child of the 80s/90s, the “kids these days” argument coming from some people here is laughable.

          2. I agree. I doubt the activists will be very successful.

          3. Every third ad is for english training and framed as the path to opportunity and prosperity for you and your children.

            Which is odd, since public school bilingual education is so good. If they’re getting ESL for “free” at school, what do they need to pay someone to teach them ESL for?

      2. If my wife’s experience working at a high school in southwest Houston is any indication, many don’t speak Spanish or English properly.

        She heard a kid say to another, “Vas a ojo!” during a disagreement about some future event.

    4. Many Hispanics don’t have to ‘become’ white–they ARE white.

      Hispanic is an ethnicity. It contains whites, blacks, browns and everything else.

      Have the correct sounding last name and the racemongers are more than happy to include you in the ‘minority’ set–even if your hair is the color of the sun and your skin is as white as the driven snow.

      1. Heh, I went to college with a kid who received a scholarship for Hispanics. He didn’t speak Spanish, he had blond hair and blue eyes and his surname was quite Welsh. However, his mom was Cuban, and that’s all he needed.

        1. I knew a girl in college who got told off for listing her race as “African American” on her application. She was white, blond hair, blue eyes — born and raised in South Africa.

          1. We’re all of African descent, if you go back far enough.

      2. Yes. A friend who was second generation from Spain changed her last name at work from her husband’s anglo saxon one, back to Fernandez which was her family name.

        She worked for a major bank and gained another checkmark in the “race, gender, religion” plus points box.

        She wasn’t too proud to play this silly game in her own favor. As she once put it, “They give preference to Ivy League school grads so, what’s the difference if they find my last name to be the equivalent of an Ivy League “point”?”

        I just couldn’t find a valid reason to counter that.

        I just wish us old, fat, white guys could get at least some of the points that so many say we do based on our social labels. I’ve never been invited to that “good ole boy’s club” we hear so much about. I’ve never been to the annual men’s meeting where we tell doctors to keep the women folk down either.

        Some guys have all the luck.

  7. And then shall the Pope reign over America!

    1. I kinda like this pope…sure he’s a Jesuit and hints at socialism….but he did give the nod to pets going to Heaven…..so we got that going for us…which is nice!

      1. Actually, he didn’t make a comment about pets and heaven.

        1. CURSE YOU DRUDGE REPORT!

  8. Uh…they’re not going to be a minority. They’re still going to be the largest group.

    By this logic, it’s possible to have a country where every ethnic group is a minority because none of them are at 50%. But that definition of minority is idiotic because some group still has to be the largest.

    Also, the point about Hispanics becoming ‘white’ is very accurate. You already see this with people getting called white Hispanics. As Hispanics become more affluent and interbreed with Caucasians, they’ll become even lighter skinned and will slowly become a ‘white’ ethnic group.

    Then Democrats will scramble to try and import 30 million Ethiopians so they can keep their mindless racebaiting alive. Personally, I hope I live to see progressives angrily denouncing the descendants of Mexican immigrants as ‘privileged.’

    I have seen it, so it shall be.

    1. As Hispanics become more affluent and interbreed with Caucasians, they’ll become even lighter skinned and will slowly become a ‘white’ ethnic group.

      I have more than a few mexican immigrant friends. One, in particular, has children that I would not know were of hispanic decent if I didn’t know the parents.

      Also, 2nd gen mexicans tend to “naturalize” in our society, based solely on my personal observations. I’d really like to see a study on the cultural differences between illegals and their offspring though.

  9. I’ve been hearing “whitey is disappearin'” since I can ever remember. Whatever. Who cares?

    1. “I say, good sir, if these Hun bastards and drunken Micks continue to wash up ingloriously upon our once noble shores, surely we of ancient Anglo-Saxon stock will be ruled from Berlin and drowned beneath a sea of Irish popery.”

    2. You’re right, who cares if a whole race disappeared right? I mean the whole world agrees. Oh wait, most of the world BAN Multiculturalism by law in order to avoid this exact thing.

  10. Not so fast there, Chief White Racist.

    Did you forget that we are living in the days where everyone is to be praised for their specialness? There is literally no reason for anyone to identify as anything other than their own highly specialized racial category. The census is going to have to track not only what color people are, but also what color they believe they are inside. And none of your racial – normative talk is going to change that. Racist!

    1. Yes because diversity means keeping our specialness frozen in amber with no cultural or ahem DNA cross-pollination.

  11. I always laugh at these predictions. First, they assume all current trends will continue as is(even though the existence of the current trend proves that some earlier trend stopped or changed direction).

    Second, race, unlike gender, really is a social construct to a large degree. The article alluded to groups that are considered white today, but not in the past. The same thing is happening currently with Hispanics. And that’s to say nothing of the “mixed race” children who can claim whatever race they damn well please.

    Third, who gives a damn. A real issue would be that the dumbest amongst any population seem to be out breeding the rest.

    1. To say that race is a “social construct” is arguable, but setting that aside, it’s absurd to pretend that being a “social construct” means you can ignore it. Quantity has a quality all its own. Yes, in the past, we added some carrots to our national stew and things worked out. But if we add several bushels of carrots, what we’ll get is wet carrots.

      In other words, culture matters. If you add tens of millions from one culture (I’m calling Latin America “one culture” for the sake of argument), we will become more like that culture. And, frankly, in many ways, that culture sucks. That’s why so many people want to leave. And as we know from interstate migrations (e.g. “Californication”), people leaving an area because they dislike it often do the same things, and vote for the same sort of people, who caused them to leave in the first place.

      1. Please don’t let Latinos know you think they have the same culture. Especially Peruvians and ecquadorians. They’ve been fighting over a lake for millennia.

        1. Well, there are really four main “types” of Latin American culture which are of course related to each other and to Spain, political differences aside.

          Mexico: It’s own thing. Big, politically unified and diverse with its own unified artistic and political traditions.

          Central America: More united by a lack of political unity and resentments than by any uniting ethos; nonetheless more similar to each other than to others.

          Caribbean: Very influenced by the plantation economies cultivated by the Spanish, often late in achieving independence but could also be very developed by that time (e.g., Cuba).

          South America: More influenced by European immigration and Euro norms than anything else, with some exceptions (e.g., Peru).

          1. I was surprised to learn Peru has the largest indigenous population and I think Argentina is something like 90 percent white. I’m guessing terrain and location to trade routes is the main factor.

            1. Most of South America was heavily forested and had little in the way of indigenous populations. What existed is similar to what is in the Amazon rainforests today: small clans. Terrain and technology in pre-Colombian America was probably the cause for this disparity. Peru was home to the Incas, and Spanish colonizers were not interested in killing off large numbers of the indigenous simply out of malice. Lots of the Spanish colonization was simply a cultural and religious conversion rather than an influx of Euro migrations, and this is more true of Central America/Peru than most other places.

              1. Lots of the Spanish colonization was simply a cultural and religious conversion rather than an influx of Euro migrations,

                This is true of North America as well. Many Indians just stopped living like Indians and became white by marrying whites and or settling down to live the white life.

                1. Many Indians just stopped living like Indians and became white by marrying whites and or settling down to live the white life.

                  What. I don’t know what time period you are referring to, but until the late 50’s and 60’s, Native Americans rarely married outside their race. That has changed over the last 50-60 years, but it is still a low percentage. From a 1980 census study:

                  However Indian American males had higher outmarriage for males than females, although Indian Americans displayed the highest rates of endogamy, with very low levels of outmarriage overall.

                  1. Ivan,

                    Those statistics concern people who called themselves “Indian”. A lot of Indians just left their tribes and stopped calling themselves such and blended into the white population.

                    1. A lot of Indians just left their tribes and stopped calling themselves such and blended into the white population.

                      Actually, they didn’t. Very few Indians ever simply walked away from the tribes and started calling themselves white. That is why I wanted to know what time period you were talking about. In 13 out of 41 states that had anti-miscegenation laws, American Indians were forbidden to marry whites, so I find your claim very hard to believe. If you have proof to back it up, that would be great.

                    2. Ivan,

                      You are talking about colonial times. I am talking about the late 19th Century when the government forcibly assimilated Indians. They took thousands of children and put them in boarding schools and refused to let them even speak their own language. Hell, half the state of Oklahoma is some percentage Indian. There are half breeds everywhere. Where do you think they came from?

                    3. You are talking about colonial times. I am talking about the late 19th Century when the government forcibly assimilated Indians. They took thousands of children and put them in boarding schools and refused to let them even speak their own language.

                      That is not what you said. You said “Many Indians just stopped living like Indians and became white by marrying whites and or settling down to live the white life.” Being forcibly removed from your parents and put into boarding schools does not voluntary as you implied. As an aside, I am well aware of what the BIA did as I am an Alaska Native and have seen it first hand. I have also worked with Indians for the past 30+ years and have talked to literally thousands of them. Your first statement simply isn’t true and many of the anti-miscegenation laws were in effect in the late 19th century.

                    4. Ivan,

                      I worked with natives in Oklahoma. And my impression is that in the American South at least, those laws were often broken. Your experience in Alaska is no doubt different given the climate and the small whtie population. In Oklahoma and in a lot of the lower 48, there was tremendous interaction between the local Indian tribes and the white population. Indian territory was essentially outside of local law enforcement and often effectively lawless. So a lot of white fled to the territory running from the law and took Indian brides and such. Also, more than a few Indians passed for white and moved into the white communities. Indeed, one of the biggest complaints about the allotment system is that all of the various half breeds came out of the woodwork and deluded the reservation Indians’ share. Also, when the federal government started making tribal rolls, a good number of Indians wanted no part of giving their name to the federal government and just vanished from the reservations never to be seen again. The story is a lot more complex than just “Indians never married white people”.

                    5. It was involuntary, and also resulted in such wonderful activities as sterilization and rampant physical and sexual abuse. Not to mention the massive controversy it caused between First Nations and North American federal governments that continues to this very day.

                    6. John Titor,

                      It was a progressive policy done with the best of intentions. So of course it was monstrously evil.

                    7. Yeah, the closest thing I can think of is the intermarriage that occurred between fur traders and Amerindian groups in Rupert’s Land and French territories before they were sold to the United States. Those groups, however, primarily became a mixed culture called the Metis, not some general ‘white’ culture.

    2. The article alluded to groups that are considered white today, but not in the past.

      Those groups were always considered white. Why do libertarians turn into critical theorists when it comes to race?

      1. They are straining to justify open borders.

        1. you don’t have to strain to hard to justify open borders. All you have to do is support property rights.

    3. “A real issue would be that the dumbest amongst any population seem to be out breeding the rest.”

      I live where that seems to be the case, despite years of denial by many.

      But, looming in the background of the race to a supermajority through procreation, is that sleeping giant China. Wait until 1.4B people get hungry and you’ll see what sheer numbers can mean.

    4. Actually “race is a social construct” is a Liberal lie to “end racism”. Races exist and are very different. From skeletons to IQ’s.

      The IQ part has been proven by all tests ever done on the subject. Africans and Latinos have low IQ’s and ” surprisingly” have third world countries. Whites and Asians have high IQ’s and “surprisingly” have first world countries.

      “Who gives a damn?” Well most of the world do which is why countries like Istael and Japan BAN Diversity by law.

  12. 1) Those older immigration waves happened before the days of multiculturalism. Assimilation was the official goal. Now it’s not. Labour Party memos revealed that they have the intentional goal of disempowering the white majority in the UK by importing non-whites. The Democratic Party has the same goal.

    2) Those older immigration waves happened before the welfare state, which is now bankrupting us. And please, don’t tell me immigrants don’t get welfare. They do, and their kids especially do.

    3) Those older immigration waves happened before the ascendancy of the leftist ideology of “Let’s destroy white privilege and capitalism and Western civilization.”

    4) Those older immigration waves didn’t speak (mostly) one language, and come from one (general) culture. Mass immigration of one culture/language is more problematic than immigration of a number of different groups.

    1. One of the few natural experiments of open borders in the modern age with what could be considered a third-world nation would be that of the US and Puerto Rico. Unfortunately, this experiment confirms most of the predictions made by restrictionists regarding open borders: a large number of immigrants and their descendants on the dole with an expanding population and long-term dilapidated neighborhoods with worse-than-average crime stats, as well as low social cohesion. I am Puerto Rican, and these trends are not encouraging.

      I’m not a restrictionist, but it’s worth thinking about and implementing a sane regime of domestic and immigration policies to incentivize the types of immigrant skills and political attitudes we value rather than simply letting one and all come in and hope for the best against all evidence.

      1. Good example.

      2. Top Men. Always the answer. Get some Top Men to determine who gets to immigrate legally and when, instead of letting unfettered economic forces incentivize immigration when it is really needed.

        1. How about: nobody who will be on welfare, or who will have kids on welfare, no criminals, no gangsters, and no contagious diseases? It’s hardly Top Men social engineering to have some standards and enforce them.

  13. All this fancy talk just sounds to me like an excuse to let in more Irish

    1. Only if they bring good whisky!

  14. We should welcome pretty nearly anyone who has the gumption to get here. They are already showing the character of what it takes to be an American.

    I take it reason is now in favor of squatters’ rights?

    The rate at which low-income immigrants integrate into the welfare class should tamp down one’s enthusiasm to “welcome” more of them prior to resolving our problems with an expanding entitlement state.

    1. The rate at which low-income immigrants integrate into the welfare class should tamp down one’s enthusiasm to “welcome” more of them prior to resolving our problems with an expanding entitlement state.

      I worry that the assumed premise that an illegal is going to be a welfare beneficiary obfuscates any argument about immigration.

      I also consider that eventually the welfare state will collapse under its own weight, and may even favor more welfare recipients to expedite that process.

      1. You’re an idiot if you think a collapse of the welfare state would be anything to celebrate. It would have the economic and social effects of a small civil war, if not actually cause one. The least bad option is to wean us off of it. To go along with the Cloward-Piven strategy is foolish.

        1. Weaning, quite simply, isn’t going to happen.
          It’s already written in stone that shit’s going to collapse; the only question is “When?”

          The sooner we get it done and over with, the sooner all of mankind can begin to prosper again.

          1. Yeah, social collapse worked out great in Russia in the late 1920s and China in the late 1950s.

            1. And look how Greece has turned all libertarian-y in recent years.

      2. I also consider that eventually the welfare state will collapse under its own weight, and may even favor more welfare recipients to expedite that process

        This is absolutely baffling. What would this “collapse” entail, and how would its replacement be more liberty-friendly in a population with higher numbers of welfare recipients than in one with lower numbers of such?

        Why would our former welfare recipients suddenly vote for good policies simply because their ticket has already been punched, rather than engaging in Greece-style anti-austerity politics and empowering radical big government types?

        1. Why would our former welfare recipients suddenly vote for good policies simply because their ticket has already been punched, rather than engaging in Greece-style anti-austerity politics and empowering radical big government types?

          That’s exactly the point. The welfare recipients have no skills. They have -NOTHING- to offer our society. When it collapses, they will die off, whether through war, starvation, whatever. It’ll hurt. A lot. A lot of people too.

          These people can’t comprehend what “liberty” actually means. I have no hopes of converting them; I can only hope that they die of starvation.

          1. Gee, what a shining vision of liberty. You’d have to be truly heartless to deny those teeming masses a space to slowly die of starvation in a foreign country away from kith and kin.

            Anyways, your vision seems improbable in that the starving masses are more likely to try and start killing people for their stuff if it really gets that bad.

            Again, I have to wonder what about either of these predictions would make anyone wish to have them occur.

          2. The welfare recipients have no skills. They have -NOTHING- to offer our society.

            They have votes, activists, and political champions. They might not triumph in the chaos, but they can cause an awful lot of chaos before they lose. If they lose.

          3. “When it collapses, they will die off, whether through war, starvation, whatever. It’ll hurt. A lot. A lot of people too.”

            They won’t die off. They’ll kill us all. Sheer numbers matter. There are more of them. Way more.

            Lord of the Flies.

  15. I figured I’d try to play their games…so on the last census, I reported as other:Welsh. If we’re going to break people down into groups, we might as well go all the way to the point of where the distinctions become meaningless.

    1. How many people will have to check Other : Furry before they start listing it on census reports?

  16. I’m white, my wife is white, and we have a 1-year-old daughter. She has five first cousins, and all are multiracial. The people who want to reinforce division are running out of time.

    1. My one hope for race to become a non-issue is exactly that. I’m a tail end baby boomer. But, most of the offspring of the generations behind me seem to be “multi-racial”. Better yet, particularly with the Millennials is, they don’t seem to care. They aren’t going to check any box.

      (note to Reason: With as much emphasis as you’ve put on the Millennials lately, you could at least get your spell checker to realize that is an acceptable word.)

      1. Race is only a non issue in White countries. It’s a major issue everywhere else, why else is Multiculturalism banned everywhere in the world.

  17. I am 1/16th black: I have black dildo stuck in my ass.

    1. I am 1/16th black: I have black dildo stuck in my ass.

      Doesn’t that make you the black dildo…..one drop rule and all that?

    2. 1/16th of 200 lbs = 12.5 lbs!

      That must be one large dildo you have there!

  18. That white baby is clearly racist. Clearly.

    1. The black baby looks the happiest. Poor bastard doesn’t know what the future has in store for him.

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    1. A quick google search showed an Aston Martin DB5 for $450,000. Only 5 years to go. How much was the mortgage?

  20. Let’s say, for arguement sake: In the future…
    An experimental drug for psoriasis or acne is developed and one suprising side effect is to change the melanin content in skin. The drug doesn’t work out, but some bright researchers study it’s skin color effects.

    Since the “Free drugs for Everybody Act” of 2020 was passed, pharma companies can’t make profits on ‘health-rights’ drugs and so have shifted all their research to lifestyle and cosmetic treatments. With some tweaking, the new treatment allows the user to change and reset their skin color and tone with a few days of transition – from darkest browns of Africa to the palest whites of Scandanavia.

    Within a few years, all the kids are changing their skin color to match the latest pop star or super model. Middle school teachers often walk in to classrooms on a Monday and the students are all sporting the latest ‘Nigerian Black’ and week later ‘Polish Pale’.

    What will the race pimps do then? Who is the minority if we don’t have skin color to go by?

    1. “Who is the minority if we don’t have skin color to go by?”

      Speech patterns

      as per Freud, & Max Weber – who noted that some of the most vicious cultural bigotry in Europe was between groups of people who lived in relative close proximity and shared many cultural traits and customs, but maintained longstanding differences on whether to pronounce C’s as ‘hard or soft’.

      Thousands of years of bloodletting naturally ensued.

      The virulence of otherwise (to Western eyes) ‘similar-looking’ Asians towards one another hardly needs to be mentioned.

      1. +1 Henry Higgins.

      2. Religion. The root of all wars.

    2. Cultural appropriation!

  21. Every group has managed to become for lack of a better term honorary white. The Mexicans will be as least as white as the Italians fairly soon. The only group that haven’t managed to do this are the blacks. Sooner or later though even the blacks will become this mainstream American. I have a dream. Not sure who then will be the oppressed and oppressor in the SJW narative. I’m sure they’ll find something.

    1. I love to point out to my black friends when speaking of their relative numbers in society today that, they have a lot to learn from native Americans.

      Somehow, the guys always seem to think I’m telling them to keep their hands off the white women and take it as a challenge. And the black women are always telling the men to listen to me because they feel forgotten or something.

      When will they ever learn?
      When will they ever learn?

  22. Pathetic that this even has to be pointed out

    For a while jokers like Noel Ignatiev have been promulgating “whiteness studies” claiming that groups like the Irish were not initially considered “white”. My comment no longer appears at Reason, but I tried pointing out to Ron Bailey that even turn-of-the-century racialists who embraced the concepts of “Nordic”, “Alpine” and “Mediterranean” still considered European immigrants to be white. Lothrop Stoddard’s notorious book “The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy” (which you can read for free online) is quite explicit on that point. At the same time, what we consider salient depends on the context. So if the only people who can effectively vote are white men (an important legal distinction inclusive to these supposedly non-white immigrants), intra-white distinctions are going to be salient in politics. In other situations where people are homogenous in race and language they might divide over religion, as in Northern Ireland.

    1. Don’t worry. You can point it out a hundred times, complete with sources and studies, and no matter how many times you do, reason will still publish the same line of bullshit, day after day, month after month. The Narrative is impervious to facts.

      1. They are journalists, afterall.

  23. The idea that “the Italians, the Jews, the Irish, the Slavs, and the Greeks” used to not be considered white in the United States is a myth that I find myself obliged to smack down distressingly often. If it were true, then a lot of Irish, Jews, and Italians were mistakenly recorded as “white” in the U.S. Census records, Constantine Brumidi (the Italian immigrant who painted the frescos in the U.S. Capitol) was illegally naturalized under the federal law that provided that only “free white person[s]” were eligible for naturalization, and Phillip Mazzei’s daughter entered a daring interracial marriage when she married a nephew of John Adams.

  24. This really only matters to race obsessed/nationalist paleocons and some idiotic leftists

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  26. when someone agrees with all your ideas and beliefs, its amazing how fast they go from spouting bigotries to singing kumbaya (that’s creole for “come by here”)

  27. This is a very hateful article. We deny that race matters in order to “stop racism” and now it’s considered “good” if an ethnic or racial group become minorities. America as we know it was started by Europeans for Europeans. Native Americans didn’t have countries and enslaved and genocided each other constantly. Africans have slaves to this day and every race/ethnicity had slavery. Look at all majority Black and Hispanic countries and that is America’s future.

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