Meet the Guy Humiliating Jon Gruber (Besides Gruber), Veterans Day Recognized, Missouri Prepares for Ferguson Decision: P.M. Links

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  • Jon Gruber, kindly posing for photomeme makers.

    Meet Rich Weinstein, the guy who keeps finding Obamacare architect Jon Gruber saying damaging things like the subsidies were only meant for states who ran their own exchanges and that details about Obamacare were deliberately kept non-transparent because voters are "stupid."

  • Today is Veterans Day, where politicians acknowledge the sacrifices made by members of our military while simultaneously figuring out how to use them to advance their own agendas.
  • The New York City doctor diagnosed with Ebola has been cured and is now free to bowl again. There are now no more Ebola cases within the United States.
  • Somehow the governor of Missouri is involved in explaining how law enforcement is going to respond when a grand jury announces whether the officer who killed Michael Brown in Ferguson will face charges.
  • Eight women have died in central India as a result of government-backed sterilization surgeries intended to help control the population, though apparently not this directly.
  • Spain's government has rejected Catalonia's call for self-determination.
  • Russia has managed to push CNN out of the country while expanding its own state-run media services.

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    1. They’re really running out of ideas for Die Hard 6. Is this Hans and Simon Gruber’s second cousin twice removed?

        1. This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

    2. Hello.

      “Spain’s government has rejected Catalonia’s call for self-determination.”

      Like anyone believed Spain would see them off?

      1. They rejected it before it even happened.

        1. Ah, so that’s how you avoid a civil war.

    3. “You’ve lost your union contract health care, Mr. McClane. Now, your only choice is to sign up with an exchange… or face the wrath of the IRS!”
      “You… you evil fuck.”

  1. Russia has managed to push CNN out of the country while expanding its own state-run media services.

    Too Socialist.

    1. Any country that manages to kick out CNN can’t be all bad.

  2. I like Gruber. He confirms all of my biases.

    1. Is the plural of bias just bias or is it biases? Like the fish/fishes.

      1. biae

    2. biasses? Sorry the sexual kink thread is in the previous story.

      1. Hey Pope, could you email me?

  3. Somehow the governor of Missouri is involved in explaining how law enforcement is going to respond when a grand jury announces whether the officer who killed Michael Brown in Ferguson will face charges.

    He’ll make sure the police act stupidly?

    1. It’s Missouri. They’re cops. How much effort can it take?

      1. Hey, our cops are no more likely to publically execute a citizen without than where you live!

        Low expectations! It’s really the best we can hope for!

  4. Eight women have died in central India as a result of government-backed sterilization surgeries intended to help control the population, though apparently not this directly.

    Oliver Wendell Holmes approves.

    1. +1 Margie Sanger

    2. Three generations, dude. It’s enough.

  5. Today is Veterans Day, where politicians acknowledge the sacrifices made by members of our military while simultaneously figuring out how to use them to advance their own agendas.

    That’s awfully cynical for a magazine called Reason.

    1. I need a drink. This counts. I’m going downstairs to the bar. Screw work.

    2. Upping the cynicism:

      Today is Veterans Day, where politicians acknowledge the sacrifices made by members of our military while simultaneously figuring out how to use them to advance their own agendas. as expendable cannon fodder in stupid conflicts in far-off places.

      1. “You became soldiers in order to die and I am sending to where you can die (for my poll numbers).”

  6. The NYC doctor is free to bowl – but are they free to Gam-bowl?

    1. I miss White Indian…okay, maybe not.

      1. Boooooooooooo!

    2. Who do you think will play in the Gam-Bowl this year?

      Man I love bowl season!

  7. Today is Veterans Day, where politicians acknowledge the sacrifices made by members of our military while simultaneously figuring out how to use them to advance their own agendas.

    I call it Armistice Day for this very reason. Well, that and I’m an asshole.

    1. Armistice Day just feels better to me. It doesn’t have any of that hollow “support our troops” jingoistic backwash mucking up the flavor.

  8. There are now no more Ebola cases within the United States.

    THAT YOU KNOW OF.

    1. I *have* had a nagging cough for a week. And a slight fever. And now my stomach hurts.

      ::coughs on FoE::

      1. I have a headache, slight nausea, and my joints ache.

        ::also coughs on FoE::

        1. *pees on Fist’s leg while noting that it appears to be raining*

          1. Did you mean to put this in the fetishes poll thread?

          2. I hope my Symantec is up to date.

    2. Is it just me or is the mortality rate of ebola not living up to it’s previously stated number…at least on our shores?

      1. From what I’ve read, it’s relatively survivable if the hospital can keep pumping fluids and blood into the patient fast as it’s leaking out from the disease, which US hospitals have a much easier time doing than those in TPLADs.

    3. IT’S ONLY CLEARED IN 95% OF CASES! THROW THIS GUY IN A 42 DAY QUARANTINE!

      I expect someone at Salon is writing up, “The White NYC Doctor Is Clear of Ebola. Here’s Why That’s A Problem.”

  9. ‘Vacation Breasts’ May Be Next Big Thing in Plastic Surgery

    You wouldn’t buy a car without driving it, seeing how it feels when you sit in the seat. So why should breasts be any different? The New York plastic surgeon who developed the “insta breast,” a saline injection into the breast that gives the impression of implants for 24 hours, is now working on a method that would last two to three weeks.

    “The perfect gift!”

    1. I don’t need her at all any more…

    2. This is fucking brilliant. I think a similar idea for tattoos would work just as well. If I want to be a sexed-up trollop for a summer and I have the cash who’s to stop me?

        1. Hey Restoras, could you please email me?

          1. I replied – or do you need me to reply with my particulars in this thread?

          2. Restoras Polecat
            thomfandrewsatyahoodotcom

    3. Foul! Foul! I long ago suggested that implants should be made adjustable by the implantee. Goddamn slow USPTO.

    4. So women pay to have a needle inserted into their breasts, after which they swell and become uncomfortably tight for a couple of weeks while they’re on vacation with their lovers, who no doubt will want to squeeze the neoboobs?

      Maybe there’s something to this male privilege after all.

      1. Let’s be honest. These are going to be most popular going to other people’s weddings and school reunions.

        1. My eyes are burning from the white hot light of this truth.

      2. The greatest feeling you can get in a doctor’s office, or the most satisfying feeling you can get in the doctor’s office is… The Pump. Let’s say you enlarge your breasts. Saline is rushing into your breasts and that’s what we call The Pump. Your breasts get a really tight feeling, like your skin is going to explode any minute, and it’s really tight – it’s like somebody blowing air into it, into your breast. It just blows up, and it feels really different. It feels fantastic.
        It’s as satisfying to me as, uh, coming is, you know? As, ah, having sex with a man and coming. And so can you believe how much I am in heaven? I am like, uh, getting the feeling of coming in a doctor’s office, I’m getting the feeling of coming at home, I’m getting the feeling of coming backstage when I pump up, when I pose in front of 5,000 people, I get the same feeling, so I am coming day and night. I mean, it’s terrific. Right? So you know, I am in heaven. – Arnold Schwarzenegger

    5. That is so ‘tits up’.

  10. Eight women have died in central India as a result of government-backed sterilization surgeries intended to help control the population, though apparently not this directly.

    A concern troll I had a chat with last month was asking me about India’s population growth. I told him how I was happy that India did not have a China-style one-child policy, and how economic growth leads to literacy and wealth, which slows down population growth on its own. I dropped a couple of dog-whistle words like “liberty”, “government coercion”, and “tyrannical bureaucracy”. The troll who assumed I was a progressive had a shocked look on his face.

  11. because voters are “stupid.”

    They did re-elect Obama though…

    1. Voters are stupid. That statement is up there with “fire is hot” and “water is wet” as the most obvious things one can say.

      (But you don’t say it out loud if you’re already part of the inner party!)

  12. “Gruber. ? Gruber. ? Gruber.”

  13. Russia has managed to push CNN out of the country while expanding its own state-run media services.

    So this means more Russia Today, the most libertarian channel on TV including that great libertarian Thom Hartmann?

  14. Weinstein?

    So he’s a Jew?

    Fake scandal.

    /progderp.

    1. Maybe a long time ago. But we Jews have fallen way, way down this list. We no longer have the free prog pass that other minorities get. It’s us and the Asians who get the short end of that stick.

  15. The wingnut pouting on Gruber is typical.

    Insurance is ALL ABOUT the low risk paying for the high risk! That is why we pay premiums. Duhhh.

    I heard Fat Rush (praise be unto him) spouting verbal diarreah on this topic.

    1. Palin’s Buttplug|11.11.14 @ 4:40PM|#
      “Insurance is ALL ABOUT the low risk paying for the high risk! That is why we pay premiums. Duhhh.”

      Yeah, turd, and lying is all about this administration.
      And you. Duhhh.

    2. Insurance is about paying proportionately to your risk. Somehow I have the feeling you’ve never heard of actuaries.

      Health “insurance” is not insurance at all.

      1. So eliminate all premiums then. Just pay for actual services rendered.

        BAN INSURANCE!

        1. We will never reach peak derp.

        2. Oooooor we could let people buy and sell whatever products and services they please. Yeah, yeah I know you don’t trust markets, Mr. Uber #1 Capitalist Freedom Man.

        3. There’s no need to ban it. You could still sell insurance for lower probability events, though your premiums would go up as you age, and rightly so since the older you get the greater the probability that you’ll experience an event.

          But for routine examinations and lab work, health insurance is a huge scam.

          1. Your telling me that your car insurance DOESN’T cover oil changes, car washes, and gas fill-ups?

            1. *You’re*

          2. It’s a scam if you pay for it out of pocket. In most cases it’s more of a tax dodge on the part of employers.

        4. Palin’s Buttplug|11.11.14 @ 4:52PM|#
          “So eliminate all premiums then. Just pay for actual services rendered.”

          Turd: “Hey, look over THERE!”
          Turd, it’s about LYING. Is that clear?

    3. “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. Call it the stupidity of the America voter, or whatever.”

      That’s an interesting way for him to explain insurance and risk.

    4. So voters were too stupid to be honest with, and too stupid to not recognize they were being lied to? Nice. Take that message on the road. Please.

    5. “Insurance is ALL ABOUT the low risk paying for the high risk!”

      Which is totally why auto insurance for people who’ve repeatedly had accidents and run people over is kept so *cheap*

    6. Shriek, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

    7. Insurance is ALL ABOUT the low risk paying for the high risk!

      Please tell me you’re the chief actuary at an insurance company and please tell me which one! I’ll trade against that all fucking week.

  16. I hear shrieking. It’s comprising….about 8% of the comments

    1. C’mon, Almanian….you remember those good ol’ days when Aetna and Blue Cross reps would show up at your door, gun in hand, forcing you to buy their products.

      You do, right???

      1. Big fact to ignore on the part of Palin, eh?

  17. that details about Obamacare were deliberately kept non-transparent because voters are “stupid.”

    Right there, ladies and gentlemen, is your perfect example of a condescending progressive intellectual.

    1. Makes Pelosi look prescient.

  18. Spain’s government has rejected Catalonia’s call for self-determination.

    Louis XIII has a sad.

    1. “It’s super-complicated.”

      That’s a cool watch. I expect lots of snark from young’uns about how their damn smartphones can do all of that and show Youtube clips at the same time.

      1. Actually, pocketwatches are in with hipsters.

        1. So it’s just wristwatches that are terminally unhip?

          1. Fuck that shit. A good Swiss watch like an Omega Seamaster kicks the ass of any tech gadget, IMO. That’s *craftsmanship*.

          2. You can have my Casio Pathfinder when you unstrap it from my permanently untanned wrist!

            1. And…A Casio!

              /Seriously, though-that looks like a damn cool watch

                1. You must have a giant wrist to have that thing strapped to it.

                2. I loved those things.

            2. I look at that Casio Pathfinder and think: no wonder Apple thinks they can make a difference in that market, too.

              1. I doubt Apple’s watch will work under 60 feet of water (I am a SCUBA diver).

        2. I have a pocket watch that has a lanyard made of a braid of my great-grandmother’s hair. Interestingly it’s about the same color as mine. Is that hip?

          1. No, Norman Bates, that’s just creepy.

            1. Hey, look, it’s just hair. It’s not like I went to the cemetery and harvested i…hmm. I do need to repair it, now that you mention it.

          2. No, but it is gross.

          3. “The way your dad looked at it, this watch was your birthright. He’d be damned if any slopes gonna put their greasy yellow hands on his boy’s birthright, so he hid it, in the one place he knew he could hide something: his ass. Five long years, he wore this watch up his ass. Then when he died of dysentery, he gave me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the watch to you.”

        3. Makes sense – they probably find them in the same junk stores that their grandfather’s clothes wound up in.

      2. In a few months the Apple Watch will come out, and do all of that and more via apps. True, it won’t be cool in the same way, but it will still be cool.

        1. I have to admit a certain fascination with unnecessarily complicated mechanical devices for accomplishing a function that can be performed far more easily using modern electronics.

          1. Oh, me too. It reminds me of something I just came across: how they showed movies on TV in the 1940s.

            1. Must have flickered like crazy since the frame rates are different. Then again, it was the 40’s when hardly anyone had TV.

              1. I’m not sure the difference between 24 fps and 23.976 fps is enough to cause that sort of problem. IIRC it mainly matters over longer periods of time, for syncing audio, etc., and is not a cause of flicker.

                1. Hasn’t TV always been 30 fps?

    2. The going train up-down indication
      The striking train up/down indication
      The twin barrel differential winding
      The three-way setting system

      So, from Hammacher Schlemmer?

  19. The USA needs to get one of those workplace safety signs that says “Ebola free for 1 Day”.

  20. “Hey, the administration was not telling people the truth, and the media was doing nothing!””

    And it’s STILL doing nothing! I’m looking around the news sites and I find FOX and a Washington Times article on him apologizing for speaking ‘inappropriately’.
    Fuck him and the media.

  21. There are now no more Ebola cases within the United States.

    And yet, the CDC is buying millions of dollars worth of gear to deal with Ebola in the US. It’s not over.

    1. Are you suggesting the CDC would intentionally infect Americans with Ebola in order to justify an increasing budget and draconian use of force?

      1. Uh, no, just that the “nothing to worry about” message they’ve been sending is contradicted by their actions.

        1. We’ll find out, I guess. I’m no losing any sleep.

          1. Despite the regular charges that I am “panicking,” I’m not, either. I just think it’s more worrisome than the Top Men say.

    2. *** meekly raises hand ***

      Are they also buying large amounts of hollowpoint ammunition?

    3. Yeah, the CDC would never engage in wasteful spending.

    4. Yes. The wingnut media went silent on Ebola last week this time.

      Fascinating.

      1. Actually, no. Gateway Pundit had posts on the surge in Ebola in Sierra Leone, and on Kaci Hickox’s decision to disappear with her boyfriend. And I’ve seen pieces on the CDC’s purchase of millions of dollars on Ebola gear. And I’m sure there were other items I missed. It’s just that the first surge of cases and news has passed, so there’s less to say, until the next case flies in.

  22. I hope Barcelona has a plan to inject the Last Sagrada Familia cathedral with foam and pack it in a nice.protective shell, because when Madrid starts the air strikes against the Catalunyan separatists, it ain’t gonna be pretty.

    1. Fuck you, Autocorrect. “Last” s/b “La.”

      1. Fuck your phone db. Although I miss.the.periods.sometimes.

        1. Maybe you should see your ob/gyn.

    2. The Catalonian coffee shops better be prepared.

  23. There are now no more Ebola cases within the United States.

    WE STILL NEED TO QUARANTINE EVERYONE JUST TO BE SURE!!!

    1. WATCH ME BEAT THIS STRAW MAN!!!

      1. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MOCKERY BY EXAGGERATION IS!!!!

  24. Gruber’s honesty is an impressive reminder of why economists make bad politicians.

  25. This is why people hate law. The other day someone posted a link to this article at SCOTUSBlog about King v. Burwell:

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2014…..mple-case/

    Basically it says that it’s a very straightforward case and if it weren’t for politics nobody would be questioning that the government would lose. I found its argument cogent and well-stated. I then followed a link to this article:

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2014…..celebrate/

    It says that Burwell is a very straightforward case and if it weren’t for politics nobody would be questioning that the government–would win!

    Reading these articles I truly get the sense that both authors really believe what they are saying, but both cast their argument in terms of “if you even think the other side has an argument at all, you’re just corrupted by politics and not looking at the facts”. How is a layperson supposed to develop an informed opinion on the matter this way?

    1. Check out Sutherland on Statutory Construction.

      1. John, Pro Lib, R C Dean et al should all be familiar with Sutherland and the statutory canons of interpretation.

        Soon, Bo Cara, Esq. should be as well.

        1. Screw that. I pay other lawyers to tell me how to interpret the law. Or how to interpret interpretations of the law. I lost the capacity for independent legal analyses ages ago.

          1. What about the unique, distinctive, Pro Lib gloss on the statute or canon in question?

    2. How is a layperson supposed to develop an informed opinion on the matter this way?

      Ha ha ha ha. That was hilarious. But seriously, who told you that the peasants are supposed to understand the laws that govern them?

      1. Ha ha ha ha. That was hilarious. But seriously, who told you that the peasants are supposed to understand the laws that govern them?

        “No one else could ever be admitted here, since this gate was made only for you. I am now going to shut it.”

    3. The whole point of SCOTUSblog’s symposium pieces is for different people to argue both sides.

      1. I get that. I’m not faulting SCOTUSblog for airing pieces with conflicting arguments, it’s to their credit. What gets me is that both pieces are making the same argument–that it’s a very straightforward bit of statutory interpretation and people only think there’s a genuine legal conflict because of “politics”. Obviously, any lawyer is probably going to say “well if you look at the facts my side is in the right” because that’s what lawyers are paid to do, but I was struck by how the two pieces, in their opening paragraphs, use such curiously similar rhetoric, and then suddenly diverge at what the “obvious” answer is supposed to be.

      2. You misspelled SCROTUM.

    4. The second author talks about the intent of Congress and brings in briefs from members of congress about their deliberations.

      Which is a funny thing, since essentially nobody in congress read the bill before voting on it. Not even a summary. If you will recall, the thing was finished hours before it passed in the dead of night. Not even the sponsors read the thing in its final form.

      So as near as I can tell the “intent of Congress” was to pass a healthcare bill with the Obama name on it to fill in a bucket-list to-do item. It does not appear that the actual content of the bill was terribly important to the majority. In fact I recall their being a handful of Senators who were clearly selling their vote in exchange for pork-barrel goodies for the home folks.

  26. Meet the Guy Humiliating Jon Gruber (Besides Gruber)

    To be humiliated, one must have shame.

  27. Ten Reasons Why I Am No Longer A Leftist

    She sums it up pretty well, imo.

    1. The left says libertarians and conservatives are ‘perpetually outraged.’

      1. Projection. Now in gunmetal black.

      2. Politically active types all across the board suffer from perpetual redass. Zero-sum games like politics, sports, or war cultivate it in people.

        We at least have the win-win of markets to remind us of the good and decent in humanity. The left, not so much–it’s oppressor/oppressed all the way down.

    2. That is a good one.

      I just came across this one: A lifelong Democrat/liberal votes straight GOP for the first time, because of Gamergate.

      It can never be emphasized enough that 10 news outlets on the same day said I was dead or needed to die because of those parts of my identity. Will I forgive? Eventually. Time heals all wounds, after all. Will I forget? Never. The imgur’s will exist forever, as will the archives and screen caps of everything the hypocrites, charlatans, and their willing media puppets said and did to make me question two parts of my identity: gamer and liberal. It is only by force of will and self-determination that I don’t let those people immure me in self-doubt and regret. Right now, there is virtually no price too high for them to pay for what they tried to do to my identity.

      1. There are roughly 730 days until Election Day 2016. The media that drove me away from my political leanings is going to need every one of those days to convince me that bashing gamers from August 28th until Tuesday was just a misunderstanding. They will need every one of those days to convince me that my input into the liberal ideology is valued regardless of my hobbies, support for GamerGate, or my gender. The alternative is to hand both the Legislative and Executive branch of the US Government over to Republicans, and as I found out on Tuesday, it is well within my capability to do so.

        Tick tock. Tick tock.

        1. The alternative is to hand both the Legislative and Executive branch of the US Government over to Republicans, and as I found out on Tuesday, it is well within my capability to do so.

          Yeah, about that whole “my vote matters” thing…

          1. That part was a tad overstated.

      2. It’s pretty retarded to vote one way or the other based on Gamersgate. Then again I have trouble giving any shits about that whole drama.

        1. In and of itself, I’d agree with you. But, sometimes, even silly issues wind up becoming revealing. You notice things you hadn’t thought of or considered before. Patterns you could ignore blissfully become noticeable. So, in practice, no, it’s not necessarily retarded.

          1. Exactly. Sometimes things are sudden but too egregious to ignore. Gamergate has really brought out the fascist tendencies among SJWs.

            1. Brought out? Not really. At least as far as I can tell. It just made a lot of people who’d otherwise accept their claim that they were the good guys stop and take notice of the stench of fascism in their whole MO.

        2. I’m still puzzled that playing video games is the basis for someone’s identity.

          1. it’s strange that people admit that they are only be defined by one thing.

            1. Young people do that all the time, though.

          2. In the piece, he made it clear that he felt attacked both as a male and a gamer.

            1. Well, if you wander over to Jezebel I suppose you are kinda askin’ for it…

    3. “Leftists freely label poor whites as “redneck,” “white trash,” “trailer trash,” and “hillbilly.” At the same time that leftists toss around these racist and classist slurs, they are so sanctimonious they forbid anyone to pronounce the N word when reading Mark Twain aloud. President Bill Clinton’s advisor James Carville succinctly summed up leftist contempt for poor whites in his memorable quote, “Drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find.”

      Beautiful. Perfect.

      1. Bill’s next date?

    4. “Only intolerant oppressors judge others’ cultures.”

      Seen some of the regular fucktards here make essentially the statement here while claiming their libertarian bona fides.

      Ken is the most frequent (and downright disturbing) user of this maxim.

      1. Blackwater?

  28. Meet Rich Weinstein, the guy who keeps finding Obamacare architect Jon Gruber saying damaging things like the subsidies were only meant for states who ran their own exchanges and that details about Obamacare were deliberately kept non-transparent because voters are “stupid.”

    Unfortunately, one of the lawyerly types at Volokh said that while these Gruber videos are “fun”, they’ll mean little to nothing in the legal fight over subsidies and other things the law says in the text.

    1. Sure – but they do have an impact on cementing public opinions about the people who have routinely lied about their own policy

      1. Guber has admitted his ‘stupidity of American voter’ remark was inappropriate.

        Gruber remains employed as a professor of Economics at MIT.

        1. Of course, when you’re a full professor at MIT, there’s a lot of faculty-lounge bias confirmation that your opinions are correct.

        2. Paul.|11.11.14 @ 5:28PM|#
          “Guber has admitted his ‘stupidity of American voter’ remark was inappropriate.”

          Yeah, he meant to say they’re ‘retarded’. Big whoop!

    2. they’ll mean little to nothing in the legal fight over subsidies and other things the law says in the text

      Really? If the law says “only state exchanges get subsidies,” and there is video of the “author” of the law saying “Yeah, only states will get subsidies, because we want to force them to create exchanges,” doesn’t that destroy the “Oops, just a typo!” argument?

    3. We have to pass this law so we can pay lawyers to find out what is in it.

  29. “Meet Rich Weinstein, the guy who keeps finding Obamacare architect Jon Gruber saying damaging things”

    and I’m sure Dave Wiegel is helpfully providing the identity of this guy so to ensure he never gets Audited or suddenly discovers he’s violated 100 different regulations without knowing it.

    Its just a helpful ‘who’s who’ piece.

    1. I’m going to get that little ratfucker.

      Of course, by the time I do I’ll probably be “reporting” for the Pennysaver.

  30. Maine Rep. Angus King Attempts to Disclaim Gruber Lies; Ends Up Agreeing with Gruber

    KILMEADE: They just lied about a health plan to the American people, called the stupidity of the American voter and bragged about the lack of transparency.

    KING: This is one guy. I don’t know who this guy was. All I know is that it’s important for people to have health insurance. And if you guys are saying people shouldn’t have health insurance, I don’t know where you’re coming from.

    GUILFOYLE: That’s not what we’re saying, sir.

    KING: Are you that cruel?

    Once again, it doesn’t matter how TEAM Blue gets shit done. As long as they have good intentions, their methods are above reproach.

    1. Huh. Guilfoyle. Gully Foyle. Have you ever seen this Guilfoyle person angry?

  31. So as a Montrealer traveling in New York along Highway 11 (a travel to the 1800s if you ask me…), I got a ticket for speeding doing 55 in a 40 zone, along a place lost in time called Bangor.

    Now I’m still amazed that I have to plead guilty first to know how much it might cost me. I’ve been trying to contact the court itself but only got an answering machine. I have no intention of going back there to find out by myself but would sure like to know what I might get myself into if I plead guilty, I mean 100$ bring it own, 1000$, might get a lawyer.

    Any idea what I should expect and what I should do ?

    1. Who issued the ticket? Have you seen if they have a website which may have a listing of fines?

      1. Seemed like a State Trooper to me. Sent me to the Bangor Court house.

    2. I got a ticket in CT, 70 in a 55 (Merritt Parkway), that cost me $350.

      Guessing that yours could be similar – if only because NY puts a $90 surcharge on every moving violation.

      Plus, Route 11 goes through a lot of podunk towns that depend on those fines as a source of cash.

      1. Exactly what I’m scared of (the fact that those podunk towns need my money, and I’m a foreigner that won’t vote in the next election, so they have no shame to rear end me right).

        I probably should check with some lawyer firms, I’d rather pay them then some shitty town.

    3. You might try this site. It costs extra to pay this way, but simply starting the process might tell you what the fine is.

    4. Looks like $185+$10+20% 8. The amount due for each violation appears to the right of the violation description starting on page 1. The amount due shown in this book includes all statutory surcharges. These surcharges include: 10% for Government Operations effective June 17, 1987, 3% for Maine Criminal Justice Academy effective 6/1/2006, 1% for County Jail Prisoner Support and Community Correction Fund effective August 1, 2002, 5% for Government Operations Surcharge Fund effective 07/30/2004, 1% for Maine State Police Computer Crime effective 6/1/2006 and a $10 flat fee for the Civil Legal Services Fund, effective September 17, 2005.

  32. my co-worker’s step-sister makes $83 /hour on the laptop . She has been out of work for 8 months but last month her pay check was $13988 just working on the laptop for a few hours. read this article….

    ======= http://www.payinsider.com

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